That was a rhetorical question, and I'm sure you know that. I'm also sure that you know that while Kerry was in the Jungles of Nam, Bush was flying planes in Alabama (I think it was Alabama). I'm sure he got a medal for that though...Xaldor
I know it was. I also know that GWB volunteered to fly over Nam. But they didn't send him. He was trained on the F-105 when they were already using F-4's. It isn't like today where guard and reserve units fly top of the line, rather they got the hand me downs. Moreover, is there something dishonorable about protecting the homeland? Remember the USSR and the cold war?
PS. If you think that training isn't dangerous think again. We lose good pilots all the time. Also the 105 was supposed to be a tough aircraft to fly and his commanders said that he was a very very good pilot.
I do remember the cold war, and I do not remember the ruskies landing on the shores of california, only to be repelled by our national guard. I also would like to see some proof that Bush volunteered to fly over Nam. Also I have nothing against the National Guard...I just have something against the children of wealth and priveledge joining the national guard to evade the horrors of war.
Xaldor....Oh by the way Bush trained in a plane that he knew had no chance of flying over Nam with, because the plane was discontinued
"I do remember the cold war, and I do not remember the ruskies landing on the shores of california, "
Therefore they could not. Nice logic. I don't think that they would have any intention of landing.
"only to be repelled by our national guard."
Actually it's Air Guard and there are F-16's but a few hundred miles from me performing the same intercept missions that they have done for decades. Sorry you have to stoop to degrading their dedication and service. You must be a real Kerry fan.
"I also would like to see some proof that Bush volunteered to fly over Nam."
Google it.
"....Oh by the way Bush trained in a plane that he knew had no chance of flying over Nam with, because the plane was discontinued"
OK Galoot...Hypothetically speaking. If I was of the age to go to war at the time of Vietnam, and I wanted to support my country by fighting in the war, what division of the military would I join....Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy, or the National Guard? Keep in mind that I want to FIGHT for my country, and I know that the National Guard airplanes have been scrapped.
It's obvious to any reasonable person, that Bush joined the National Guard to avoid any real fighting....Would you say that the odds of seeing any "action" are lesser or greater when one joins the National Guard (with a discontinued airplane) or when one joins the Air Force, Army, Navy, or Marines??? (again a rhetorical question)...Xaldor
This is a very interesting discussion. Its amazing how both of you have not started to flame each other. You guys both know what your talking about, this is like something that should be on tv. Nice debate!
Cheers to you Xaldor. Your arguments are very good and you are totally winning this argument.
Galoot, your arguments are also good, I know I couldn't beat you in this argument. Too bad your opponent knows his stuff.
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I am also happy that this hasn't turned into a flame war...cheers to you Galoot, I respect your clearly stated arguments...even though I may not agree with them...Xaldor
"Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy, or the National Guard? "
First of all they were all there.
"Keep in mind that I want to FIGHT for my country, and I know that the National Guard airplanes have been scrapped. "
If they were scrapped why did the Guard still fly them?
"It's obvious to any reasonable person, that Bush joined the National Guard to avoid any real fighting."
And kerry's room mate said kerry only joined the navy figuring he wouldn't either. Was he a SEAL? (UDT at that time) nope. Was he a pilot? nope. Was he one of the beloved Corpman (ask any Marine) nope. So he was at a lose when he found out he was going to get in the thick of things. So, folks had a choice back then. Wait and maybe get drafted for 2 years or join for either 4 or 6. There were plenty of reserve and guard there. What I do find very funny is that clinton dodged. Yet the same people degrading guard service are the same ones who had no problem with clinton at all and in fact defended him. How ironic.
"Meet the Press" April 18, 1971
Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
-- Crosby Noyes, Washington Evening Star
Kerry: "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones.
~snip~
-- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971
hmmm an admitted war criminal??? So here's a rhetorical question for you. Is this who you want in the White House?
Personally, I think Ol GWB is too liberal. As well I think the war in Iraq was a moronic thing, and if they wanted Saddam out, should of taken im out in the Gulf war. I dont think hes a very good president. Now Reagan, Reagan was a great president, sadly hes dead now though, and he had his time in office.
But, as for between Bush and Kerry, I think bush has done some stupid things, the war in Iraq the biggest so far. Hes a huge governmental spender (very un-republican like). But. Between him and kerry, its Bush. Because well, Kerry is just evil. So, truth of the matter is, both candidates suck, (And the Lord forbid whoever said Clinton was a good president.) but its a matter of picking the lesser of two evils.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Galoot "Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy, or the National Guard? " First of all they were all there.
"It's obvious to any reasonable person, that Bush joined the National Guard to avoid any real fighting." And kerry's room mate said kerry only joined the navy figuring he wouldn't either. Was he a SEAL? (UDT at that time) nope. Was he a pilot? nope. Was he one of the beloved Corpman (ask any Marine) nope. So he was at a lose when he found out he was going to get in the thick of things. So, folks had a choice back then. Wait and maybe get drafted for 2 years or join for either 4 or 6. There were plenty of reserve and guard there. What I do find very funny is that clinton dodged. Yet the same people degrading guard service are the same ones who had no problem with clinton at all and in fact defended him. How ironic.
"Meet the Press" April 18, 1971 Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country? -- Crosby Noyes, Washington Evening Star Kerry: "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. ~snip~ -- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971
hmmm an admitted war criminal??? So here's a rhetorical question for you. Is this who you want in the White House?
Yes they were all there, but you still hacen't anwered the question that I posed. Will you see more action as a National guardsman in Alabama, or in the Army, Navy, Airforce, or Marines in Viet Nam?
To the question about Kerry being a war criminal and whether or not I want him in office is really just a loaded question...Kerry has never been charged with war crimes, and has never been charged with anything for that matter... Wasn't Bush charged with drunk driving? Did he not admit to using COCAINE? Did he not fail miserably in all of his attempts in the oil business (3 seperate attempts). Lucky for him he has the coat tails of his father to ride on.
The guy can't even speak clearly...I can't even take a guy that can't speak seriously...but that is just an opinion. The above statement are facts...Xaldor
George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj.William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.
It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.
The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.
Keep in mind that the debts will always be there, and that it's nothing to actually lose sleep on. After all the last time any countires decided to "foreclose" on a national debt was with Germany... That little dispute was one fo the driving causes that initiated WW2... Of course, Hitler was at the wheel then, and I don't think he's come back. But regarless no country will ever say "pay up or else" to the US... That would be like Woddy Allen telling Tyson to pay up or he'll kick his ass... When the smoke cleared, poor woody would be a bloody stain on the carpet with a cheque pinned to his chest.
Hmm.. That would be a great celeb boxing to see....
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
"Yes they were all there, but you still hacen't anwered the question that I posed. Will you see more action as a National guardsman in Alabama, or in the Army, Navy, Airforce, or Marines in Viet Nam?"
More action in the Army? Deployed there yes. Marines same. Air Force if deployed in theater yes Navy IF your MOS is likely to be deployed IN THEATER yes. ( he he ahem) Now for a pilot in the guard or reserve the chances were still quite high that you would.
And now even though they are trying to make guardsmen look bad ( lefties have no shame anyway as proven in the 60's and 70's) there still is no prerequisite to military service to be president or willy never would have been there eh?
"To the question about Kerry being a war criminal and whether or not I want him in office is really just a loaded question.
He admitted it. And yes it is. And there's nothing loaded about it. You just don't want to answer it.
"Kerry has never been charged with war crimes, and has never been charged with anything for that matter"
Many were never charged. That is no excuse he admitted it. That is all it takes.
"Wasn't Bush charged with drunk driving? Did he not admit to using COCAINE? Did he not fail miserably in all of his attempts in the oil business (3 seperate attempts). Lucky for him he has the coat tails of his father to ride on. "
Too bad that this is all irrelevant. If you equate DUI or any of that other stuff with what kerry admitted to then I'll let that speak for itself. It just reinforces what I had said before.
Originally posted by Galoot "Wasn't Bush charged with drunk driving? Did he not admit to using COCAINE? Did he not fail miserably in all of his attempts in the oil business (3 seperate attempts). Lucky for him he has the coat tails of his father to ride on. " Too bad that this is all irrelevant. If you equate DUI or any of that other stuff with what kerry admitted to then I'll let that speak for itself. It just reinforces what I had said before.
How is a DUI charge, Cocaine use, and failure in business irrelevant? Is this not the leader of the free world?
If you were a CEO of a company, and you were considering me to be the next CEO when you retired,and you ran a background check on me, and found that I was an admitted cocaine user, had a DUI, and failed at all my business attempts...would you ever consider hiring me to run your company? ( I know a horrible run on there).
Kerry's statements were not meant to indite (spelled wrong i'm sure) himself as a war criminal, but rather to shed light on the fact that these sorts of crimes were standard operating procedure for the U.S. military....he was ashamed of himself for ever conforming to these "policies", and was merely clearing his conscience. I do not agree with what he admitted to doing, but I can not fatham what it would be like in his, or his fellow soldiers position....neither can you.
I just want it to be known that the greatest president in my opinion was Ronald Regan (R). He was a man of integrity, that stood up for what he believed, and single handedly ended the cold war...now that is an accomplishment. I'm not sure that I even like Kerry at all, I just feel like Bush is definately the WRONG man for the job...Xaldor
Originally posted by Galoot "How is a DUI charge, Cocaine use, and failure in business irrelevant" Because there is nothing there that lawfully or constitutionally prohibits him from be president.
"Kerry's statements were not meant to indite (spelled wrong i'm sure) himself as a war criminal," But it did. "but rather to shed light on the fact that these sorts of crimes " And as an officer in the US military it was HIS duty to report these things. By not doing so is dereliction of duty.
"were standard operating procedure for the U.S. military...." Which was proven false. "....he was ashamed of himself" He should be and you should be ashamed of him too.
The DUI, cocaine, and failures at business indeed do not prohibit Dubya from being president, but that doesn't mean they are not relevant when picking a candidate to run our country. You just gloss over these points like they are minor or something.
Where was I when the study about the standard operating procedures of the VietNam war. Can you give me a reference or a link to that study...or is that just anectdotal evidence from other soldiers in the war that did not experience these things.
"Can you give me a reference or a link to that study...or is that just anectdotal evidence from other soldiers in the war that did not experience these things."
If what he and other alleged were true it would be really easy to find it on Google.
Now as to fitness for office. Want more?
"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.
I think this negates very clearly the argument of the President that we have to maintain a presence in Vietnam, to use as a negotiating block for the return of those prisoners. The setting of a date will accomplish that."
-- John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971
get this:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
-- U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 45, Section 953: Private correspondence with foreign governments
I didn't read through the posts, but i took a class in economics.
It's actually healthy for us to be in debt. Don't worry about the ferw trillion. Look at walmart, they are a few billion in debt, but earn it back in one months time.
Being in debt allows Americans to purchase bonds. Thats where the moneys goes to and comes from. By buying bonds you put us more in debt but it helps the economy when you get $ and it goes through the cicle.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Finwe Healthy to be in debt.....Wow.....Ahahhahahahah "The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
Well maybe if you looked into it a little more with your own 2 brain cells you would realize that some debt is good for us. To much debt is obviously bad, but some is very healthy. Without a debt the government wouldn't sell bonds and the such to the public. Bonds happen to be one of the safest investments, becuase your guaranteed your payment. Well unless the USA goes under.
It can be argued that more would eb invested in the stock market, but please realize that most major companies are in debt. Like i said Walmart is in debt a few billion at any given time. It's really no big dela because its not big compared to what they make. A few trillion, or even a billion is a lot to people like us, but think of it from the perspective of a nation or large company.
Oh c'mon, anyone that knows anything knows that its bad to be in debt. Plain and simple. There is no schematics, sooner or later it catches upto you.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
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Ok Galoot, Quick question.
After Kerry threw away his war medals at an anit-war rally, where did Dubya throw his medals?????
Woah, the mood here is getting tense. Time for an interesting yet funny quote.
"Kinky is using a feather, perverted is using the whole bird"
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"Ok Galoot, Quick question."
Do you know if GW has or has not any medals? Otherwise your question is irrelevant.
"That was a rhetorical question"
I know it was. I also know that GWB volunteered to fly over Nam. But they didn't send him. He was trained on the F-105 when they were already using F-4's. It isn't like today where guard and reserve units fly top of the line, rather they got the hand me downs. Moreover, is there something dishonorable about protecting the homeland? Remember the USSR and the cold war?
PS. If you think that training isn't dangerous think again. We lose good pilots all the time. Also the 105 was supposed to be a tough aircraft to fly and his commanders said that he was a very very good pilot.
I do remember the cold war, and I do not remember the ruskies landing on the shores of california, only to be repelled by our national guard. I also would like to see some proof that Bush volunteered to fly over Nam. Also I have nothing against the National Guard...I just have something against the children of wealth and priveledge joining the national guard to evade the horrors of war.
Xaldor....Oh by the way Bush trained in a plane that he knew had no chance of flying over Nam with, because the plane was discontinued
"I do remember the cold war, and I do not remember the ruskies landing on the shores of california, "
Therefore they could not. Nice logic. I don't think that they would have any intention of landing.
"only to be repelled by our national guard."
Actually it's Air Guard and there are F-16's but a few hundred miles from me performing the same intercept missions that they have done for decades. Sorry you have to stoop to degrading their dedication and service. You must be a real Kerry fan.
"I also would like to see some proof that Bush volunteered to fly over Nam."
Google it.
"....Oh by the way Bush trained in a plane that he knew had no chance of flying over Nam with, because the plane was discontinued"
That's the plane the Guard had. Sorry.
OK Galoot...Hypothetically speaking. If I was of the age to go to war at the time of Vietnam, and I wanted to support my country by fighting in the war, what division of the military would I join....Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy, or the National Guard? Keep in mind that I want to FIGHT for my country, and I know that the National Guard airplanes have been scrapped.
It's obvious to any reasonable person, that Bush joined the National Guard to avoid any real fighting....Would you say that the odds of seeing any "action" are lesser or greater when one joins the National Guard (with a discontinued airplane) or when one joins the Air Force, Army, Navy, or Marines??? (again a rhetorical question)...Xaldor
This is a very interesting discussion. Its amazing how both of you have not started to flame each other. You guys both know what your talking about, this is like something that should be on tv. Nice debate!
Galoot, your arguments are also good, I know I couldn't beat you in this argument. Too bad your opponent knows his stuff.
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No right-minded fool forsakes truth for falsehood
I am also happy that this hasn't turned into a flame war...cheers to you Galoot, I respect your clearly stated arguments...even though I may not agree with them...Xaldor
"Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy, or the National Guard? "
First of all they were all there.
"Keep in mind that I want to FIGHT for my country, and I know that the National Guard airplanes have been scrapped. "
If they were scrapped why did the Guard still fly them?
"It's obvious to any reasonable person, that Bush joined the National Guard to avoid any real fighting."
And kerry's room mate said kerry only joined the navy figuring he wouldn't either. Was he a SEAL? (UDT at that time) nope. Was he a pilot? nope. Was he one of the beloved Corpman (ask any Marine) nope. So he was at a lose when he found out he was going to get in the thick of things. So, folks had a choice back then. Wait and maybe get drafted for 2 years or join for either 4 or 6. There were plenty of reserve and guard there. What I do find very funny is that clinton dodged. Yet the same people degrading guard service are the same ones who had no problem with clinton at all and in fact defended him. How ironic.
"Meet the Press" April 18, 1971
Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
-- Crosby Noyes, Washington Evening Star
Kerry: "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones.
~snip~
-- John Kerry, on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971
hmmm an admitted war criminal??? So here's a rhetorical question for you. Is this who you want in the White House?
Personally, I think Ol GWB is too liberal. As well I think the war in Iraq was a moronic thing, and if they wanted Saddam out, should of taken im out in the Gulf war. I dont think hes a very good president. Now Reagan, Reagan was a great president, sadly hes dead now though, and he had his time in office.
But, as for between Bush and Kerry, I think bush has done some stupid things, the war in Iraq the biggest so far. Hes a huge governmental spender (very un-republican like). But. Between him and kerry, its Bush. Because well, Kerry is just evil. So, truth of the matter is, both candidates suck, (And the Lord forbid whoever said Clinton was a good president.) but its a matter of picking the lesser of two evils.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Yes they were all there, but you still hacen't anwered the question that I posed. Will you see more action as a National guardsman in Alabama, or in the Army, Navy, Airforce, or Marines in Viet Nam?
To the question about Kerry being a war criminal and whether or not I want him in office is really just a loaded question...Kerry has never been charged with war crimes, and has never been charged with anything for that matter... Wasn't Bush charged with drunk driving? Did he not admit to using COCAINE? Did he not fail miserably in all of his attempts in the oil business (3 seperate attempts). Lucky for him he has the coat tails of his father to ride on.
The guy can't even speak clearly...I can't even take a guy that can't speak seriously...but that is just an opinion. The above statement are facts...Xaldor
More here.
Keep in mind that the debts will always be there, and that it's nothing to actually lose sleep on. After all the last time any countires decided to "foreclose" on a national debt was with Germany... That little dispute was one fo the driving causes that initiated WW2... Of course, Hitler was at the wheel then, and I don't think he's come back. But regarless no country will ever say "pay up or else" to the US... That would be like Woddy Allen telling Tyson to pay up or he'll kick his ass... When the smoke cleared, poor woody would be a bloody stain on the carpet with a cheque pinned to his chest.
Hmm.. That would be a great celeb boxing to see....
Dont forget he'd be missing both ears as well.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
"Yes they were all there, but you still hacen't anwered the question that I posed. Will you see more action as a National guardsman in Alabama, or in the Army, Navy, Airforce, or Marines in Viet Nam?"
More action in the Army? Deployed there yes. Marines same. Air Force if deployed in theater yes Navy IF your MOS is likely to be deployed IN THEATER yes. ( he he ahem) Now for a pilot in the guard or reserve the chances were still quite high that you would.
And now even though they are trying to make guardsmen look bad ( lefties have no shame anyway as proven in the 60's and 70's) there still is no prerequisite to military service to be president or willy never would have been there eh?
"To the question about Kerry being a war criminal and whether or not I want him in office is really just a loaded question.
He admitted it. And yes it is. And there's nothing loaded about it. You just don't want to answer it.
"Kerry has never been charged with war crimes, and has never been charged with anything for that matter"
Many were never charged. That is no excuse he admitted it. That is all it takes.
"Wasn't Bush charged with drunk driving? Did he not admit to using COCAINE? Did he not fail miserably in all of his attempts in the oil business (3 seperate attempts). Lucky for him he has the coat tails of his father to ride on. "
Too bad that this is all irrelevant. If you equate DUI or any of that other stuff with what kerry admitted to then I'll let that speak for itself. It just reinforces what I had said before.
How is a DUI charge, Cocaine use, and failure in business irrelevant? Is this not the leader of the free world?
If you were a CEO of a company, and you were considering me to be the next CEO when you retired,and you ran a background check on me, and found that I was an admitted cocaine user, had a DUI, and failed at all my business attempts...would you ever consider hiring me to run your company? ( I know a horrible run on there).
Kerry's statements were not meant to indite (spelled wrong i'm sure) himself as a war criminal, but rather to shed light on the fact that these sorts of crimes were standard operating procedure for the U.S. military....he was ashamed of himself for ever conforming to these "policies", and was merely clearing his conscience. I do not agree with what he admitted to doing, but I can not fatham what it would be like in his, or his fellow soldiers position....neither can you.
I just want it to be known that the greatest president in my opinion was Ronald Regan (R). He was a man of integrity, that stood up for what he believed, and single handedly ended the cold war...now that is an accomplishment. I'm not sure that I even like Kerry at all, I just feel like Bush is definately the WRONG man for the job...Xaldor
"How is a DUI charge, Cocaine use, and failure in business irrelevant"
Because there is nothing there that lawfully or constitutionally prohibits him from be president.
"Kerry's statements were not meant to indite (spelled wrong i'm sure) himself as a war criminal,"
But it did.
"but rather to shed light on the fact that these sorts of crimes "
And as an officer in the US military it was HIS duty to report these things. By not doing so is dereliction of duty.
"were standard operating procedure for the U.S. military...."
Which was proven false.
"....he was ashamed of himself"
He should be and you should be ashamed of him too.
The DUI, cocaine, and failures at business indeed do not prohibit Dubya from being president, but that doesn't mean they are not relevant when picking a candidate to run our country. You just gloss over these points like they are minor or something.
Where was I when the study about the standard operating procedures of the VietNam war. Can you give me a reference or a link to that study...or is that just anectdotal evidence from other soldiers in the war that did not experience these things.
Xaldor
"Can you give me a reference or a link to that study...or is that just anectdotal evidence from other soldiers in the war that did not experience these things."
If what he and other alleged were true it would be really easy to find it on Google.
Now as to fitness for office. Want more?
"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.
I think this negates very clearly the argument of the President that we have to maintain a presence in Vietnam, to use as a negotiating block for the return of those prisoners. The setting of a date will accomplish that."
-- John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971
get this:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
-- U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 45, Section 953: Private correspondence with foreign governments
I didn't read through the posts, but i took a class in economics.
It's actually healthy for us to be in debt. Don't worry about the ferw trillion. Look at walmart, they are a few billion in debt, but earn it back in one months time.
Being in debt allows Americans to purchase bonds. Thats where the moneys goes to and comes from. By buying bonds you put us more in debt but it helps the economy when you get $ and it goes through the cicle.
Thats was jsut a tid-bit and very vaige.
Healthy to be in debt.....Wow.....Ahahhahahahah
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Well maybe if you looked into it a little more with your own 2 brain cells you would realize that some debt is good for us. To much debt is obviously bad, but some is very healthy. Without a debt the government wouldn't sell bonds and the such to the public. Bonds happen to be one of the safest investments, becuase your guaranteed your payment. Well unless the USA goes under.
It can be argued that more would eb invested in the stock market, but please realize that most major companies are in debt. Like i said Walmart is in debt a few billion at any given time. It's really no big dela because its not big compared to what they make. A few trillion, or even a billion is a lot to people like us, but think of it from the perspective of a nation or large company.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979