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It's being done by Sony... woe to the people of short memory
Viper_One
Member Posts: 49
It's being done by SOE... duh!! So we all know how this will go:
1. Awesome concept... bugs but promising launch.
2. 1st 6 months bugs haunt the game to the point of frustration and near subscription cancelation. Basic content that is common sense and should have been included in the 1st few months of development don't even make it to launch.
3. 2nd 6 months highly playable, still bugged, but fun.
4. SOE black tie bean counter idiots that know nothing about gaming push developers aside, tell them what would be better for the game based on demographic studies and profit margin analysis and begin to systematicly destroy said game.
It's Sony, expect no less.
History will prove itself over and over with them; they have set a standard for their products, have remained consistant with those standards, and will not waiver from their tried and true business trend practices.
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9 posts and this is all you have to contribute? Take this spew and go away.
Yes it's from SOE, but I'm not about to let issues that happened from different developers keep me from getting into this. SWG at launch was bug filled and those issues in game development will always haunt SWG now. A lot has happened in 4 years that I feel these guys are on the ball and know what they are doing.
SOE has yet to sucessfully run anything that didn't have Everquest in it's name.
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Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of SOE?
The Cabal Knows
Sad but true and EQ wasnt a creation of SOE I dont belive. When I Played the original EQ before SOE got their mits on it, the opening screen would say Verant. Now im not sure if thats one of SOEs companies or if they simply bought the game from them like they seem to do often nowadays.
9 posts and this is all you have to contribute? Take this spew and go away.
Are you serious? Everything he said was true. SOE has screwed up every game they have ever had. They refuse to listen to the customers that plead with them to stop butchering their games, but they don't listen. If they do decide to listen, it is always to little to late. Read up on your history before you start bad mouthing people.
A Requiem For Argos, now available at e-book retailers.
Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.
A Requiem For Argos, now available at e-book retailers.
9 posts and this is all you have to contribute? Take this spew and go away.
Are you serious? Everything he said was true. SOE has screwed up every game they have ever had. They refuse to listen to the customers that plead with them to stop butchering their games, but they don't listen. If they do decide to listen, it is always to little to late. Read up on your history before you start bad mouthing people.
I'm quite familiar with the history -- I think it's unnecessary to drag it out yet again, especially from a player who at the time had 9 posts to his credit. It reeks of trolling.
Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.
Get your history straight. Sigil wasted millions of Microsoft's dollars and MS dropped them. Sigil hooked up with SOE and then ran out of money, forcing them to launch. SOE then came in and bought them up in order to clean house and straighten out the game. By this time, either SOE is learning from its mistakes or not. Given the corrective measures its put in place to fix the NGE, they're paying far more attention to them than ever before (much to the disappointment of the refugees but what's done is done-- move on.)
Your commentary is only sage advice if people :
....the thing is, smart consumers already do that.
If you're going to cry about swg, take it to that forum.
Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.
SOE gave Sigil 6 more months to try and complete the game, not take 6 six away. Microsoft wanted to release the game (on schedule) by summer of '06, and because they could not meet their deadline MS dropped them/Brad McQ went to go find another publisher. SOE bought Sigil and Vanguard maybe 4-6 months after release. Get your facts straight please. Vanguard was Sigil's fault.
Also, SWG happened how many years ago? And didn't lucas arts have a large say in the decision as well? I think it's time to move on an accept the possibility that SOE might do different this time around. Who knows, you could be missing out on your next favorite MMO.
I am very curious why people keep saying SOE has learned their lesson. What exactly have they done in the last several years to show they have changed?
They haven't had any finished releases. They bought vanguard for the programming talent and to puff up the station pass line. They formed alliances to produce games through other companies seeing as their products can't compete anymore. SWG hasn't have an expansion in years nor the matrix ever. EQ2 might be the one exception to their lack of anything substantial and that at best is they fixed the game over the course of several years to be an ok game.
From what screens I have seen about the agency I expect a very city of heroes like gameplay. Great concept with little follow through. There will be massive amounts of "covert" operatives standing around every single street corner waiting to be engaged in heavy assault gunfire. Gameplay will be about as covert as the fat kid was in charlie and the chocolate factory. Maybe they get it right and it is awesome, but based on actual history from this company I wouldn't want to be around for at least the first year if not more. Odds are they will massively revamp all the classes, tradeskills and questlines in typical SOE sweeping style again.
Good luck to those who try it, you are going to need it.
Debating whether or not SOE has learned their lesson from past mistakes is pointless. From my observation, the people interested in this game are such because they want to try something new and different in an mmo(I know I do).
I'll let people like, therain93, go out, and spend hard earned money to tell me this game stinks. If hell has frozen over, then I will buy the game after there is a majority consenus that its a good game.
Yes SOE has dropped the ball more than once but that doesn't mean that they'll never make another good game again. Can't judge a game before it comes out even if Sony did make it.
Take your issues and move along.
I'm sorry, I'm kind of cracking up here. Big time.
First off, everyone please take a step back and take a breath. bashing each other isn't necessary and we ALL have the right to express our opinions.
Secondly... (and I'm really trying to hold my sides together on this - its just so hysterical...) I've seen mention of "trolling" twice and have been told that since my post count is too low that my post doesn't matter.
Ummmmm.... yeah... Let's analyze that, ya know, just for fun...
My post count is LOW and I take a while to respond because I'm either at work or IN GAME. Which means I don't sit behind my computer all day salivating at the forum boards posting replies so I can be "Elite"... which would take me OUT of game. Gee, troll forum boards / actually play the game.... decisions, decisions.... gosh that's a tough one...
Trolling argument jumped off it's own cliff, too funny.
Lastly, I've said this in another thread and I think it bears mention here too... I honestly, honestly hope Sony makes me eat me own words and those that are willing to give it a try find a vastly rewarding experience.
I myself am quite simply unwilling to invest in a company who has throughout it's business history ultimately failed its customers.
Grading by "Product"? Naw.... I'll judge by "Company", which is what most consumers do with any product. Buy enough broken products in a row in any other business, then that company would be out of business. Fortunately for the game companies (any) / unfortunately for us... we are gamer crack heads in the end and continually let ourselves get sucked into the next "big promise". Let's face it, we ALL do it.
Imagine... go to a car dealer to buy a car... find out all the cars are missing mufflers and the left back seat...
Car Dealer "Don't worry sir, we are working on that and will visit your house to install it in the coming months. Until then try to enjoy what you have. No... No we don't believe we released this model too early sir."
Who's gonna buy it? No-one. Call it a MMORPG... we are on it like fat kids on ice cream.
Speaking of which... where's my spoon?
9 posts and this is all you have to contribute? Take this spew and go away.
Are you serious? Everything he said was true. SOE has screwed up every game they have ever had. They refuse to listen to the customers that plead with them to stop butchering their games, but they don't listen. If they do decide to listen, it is always to little to late. Read up on your history before you start bad mouthing people.
I'm quite familiar with the history -- I think it's unnecessary to drag it out yet again, especially from a player who at the time had 9 posts to his credit. It reeks of trolling.
What does it matter, how many posts has someone made? Is that how you judge people? If someone doesn't speak much here, then that must mean that they are inexperienced as players? That they aren't intelligent enough to speak near your highness?
Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.
How could we forget SWG, we all have to put up with posts like this telling the same story over and over again about how SOE took away your rattle.
Get your facts correct before you start posting rubbish please, we are all getting VERY sick of the SOE haters making up facts just to get their point across. I can't even be bothered to point out your lie/made up fact.
I've never seen a game team listen to their player base more than the EQ2 team.
Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.
ummm i think you have things a lil outta order there.... Sigil was the ones that released early SOE didn't buy them till months later..
I've never seen a game team listen to their player base more than the EQ2 team.
and actually their EQOA dev teams listens ALOT they're revamping and have been redoing classes for months now and EQOA has been out for years.
Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.
ummm i think you have things a lil outta order there.... Sigil was the ones that released early SOE didn't buy them till months later..
I don't know about this much, but I was in Vanguard:SOH beta, and SOE was in then. It was SOE, where I got the beta key.
9 posts and this is all you have to contribute? Take this spew and go away.
Are you serious? Everything he said was true. SOE has screwed up every game they have ever had. They refuse to listen to the customers that plead with them to stop butchering their games, but they don't listen. If they do decide to listen, it is always to little to late. Read up on your history before you start bad mouthing people.
I'm quite familiar with the history -- I think it's unnecessary to drag it out yet again, especially from a player who at the time had 9 posts to his credit. It reeks of trolling.
What does it matter, how many posts has someone made? Is that how you judge people? If someone doesn't speak much here, then that must mean that they are inexperienced as players? That they aren't intelligent enough to speak near your highness?
Yes, I totally judge people by the number of posts they've made and a post count in the single digits obviously equates to an e-penis the size of 4 month old fetus and the same mental capacity to boot! /sarcasm off
LOL, it's not about elitism -- the fact is the guy had 9 posts and his first in 15 or 17 months is to bash a game that has only recently been announced and given a handful of sneak-peeks. There's no reason to accost the game or the development team unless you're just hoping for it to fail or looking to bait people under the guise of righteousness in defending everyone from SOE. Save the pessimism and let the game stand on its own merits when it's released or at least makes it out of beta.
Of course you're allowed your opinion -- I just find it disappointing when people come into a forum for a game still in alpha to bash it to hell...in the guise of protecting all of us from the BIG BAD SOE (and yes, that means I experience disappointment surfing mmorpg.com on a regular basis : ' ) Perhaps your heart is in the right place and your concern is genuine but when someone shows up out of the blue with so few posts and decides to dish it, it's hard not to be skeptical of that poster's motivation. That in turn is the only reason why I commented on your low post count--it wasn't an act of elitism, criticism or immediate dismissal of your thoughts.
Now moving on to your follow up post, many of us are aware of the power of the consumer as well but thank you for that car dealership analogy. Unfortunately, it falls short on many fronts. To begin with, unlike buying a car, one typically doesn't have to take out a 5 year loan and depend on the game to get through his day to day life. Furthermore, unlike a car, typically you can spot the game's flaws within a few days of play as opposed to driving the car for several months or years before making those discoveries. And even then, unlike a car, you don't have barriers to exit such as an outstanding loan and depreciation; you can sever ties with the game immediately and move on. Lastly, unlike a car, the gaming companies depend on your subscription as repeat service -- terminating that subscription is clear punishment for bad behavior and disappointment. On the other hand, after you purchase a car, other than lemon laws, there isn't any way to effect punishment except for not buying another one from them. Big differences, don't you agree?
You know what car makers and game makers do have in common? You can take both for a test drive and read reviews about them before buying. Given how quickly you can assess a game then, taking this stance against SOE seems quite extreme, especially since they have made good strides as of late. Do we continue to punish the company after it has made amends though? If so, then it has no motivation to ever change. Now, I'm not advocating blind purchases -- I never have. BUT, if the game gets good reviews and you're interested in the game, have the money to pay for it and really want to, then why punish yourself and them with this hardline stance?
By the way, the cardinal rule of investing is that "past performance is no indication of future outcome". It's a factor but you need to assess their current situation, challenges and opportunities as well to account for changes. Funny enough, that's applicable to everything.
Ya know, I was genuinely reading your reply with an open mind, taking it all end, nodding in agreement at the car analogy was extreme...
I'll concede to a lot of your points as being valid. But the whole "past performance is no indication of future outcome" is bogus to the 'nth degree. That is only valid perhaps with stocks (as you said, 'investing').
Seriously, that just completely conflicts with the point you made about being against 'blind' purchases.
Anybody out there want to hire someone who has "craptastic employee for the last several years" on their resume?
Or more directly: "This company has made craptastic products and doesn't listen to their consumers... but don't judge them, judge them by their next new promise because past performance is no indicator!"
I mean, come on. Trend analysis is the real golden rule. Always has been, always will be. That is how businesses change and evolve to meet their consumers demands. But with us addicted gamers that will not change our own habits no matter what... then they don't really need to change. They simply adjust to quell the current and latest flames on their own boards... then wrap it up with a smile and say "look how we've 'changed'"
You keep saying 'great strides'.... tell me please (believe it or not, I'm not being cynical, I'm asking honestly) what 'great strides' in your opinion have you seen from SOE that seperates them from the pack?
Lastly, the thing is I never attacked anyone in my OP. When I defended myself I still refrained from being direct. My OP is only about my opinion of SOE from experiencing them when they ganked Verant - into convincing customers that walking for year before getting landspeeders was acceptable and collecting herbs was oh so Sci Fi 'ish - to even giving an honest to god try with Vanguard. (I don't even know what to make of that mess)
But you say:
[quote]... only reason why I commented on your low post count--it wasn't an act of elitism, criticism or immediate dismissal of your thoughts.[/quote]
Really? lol [quote]9 posts and this is all you have to contribute? Take this spew and go away.[/quote]
Just a reminder.
Lets kill this BS between us, concede to a mutual impasse, and just keep on topic. So here is my serve...
You were saying... 'Great Strides'? I'm listening:
The problem with you SOE haters is that you seem to be unable to grasp that you're a vocal minority, if you where a majority SOE would have shut down by now. You also seem unable to grasp that we are all sick and tired of the same posts from the same people.
The "Pirates of the Burning Sea" post was a perfect example or how sick of it we're all becoming. In the end a dev from that game to the post and said that if people where going to make up "facts" to make their point then he was happy for them to not play the game.