I will never play a game without offical forums, it just makes it too convenient for them to ignore the playerbase. Typical E.A. GL to those who chose to play.
Lol. Right, because we all know that games with "official" forums listen to their players . . . BTW this is Mythic's policy and not EA.
It makes little sense to spend a huge amount of money setting up servers, paying for bandwidth, hiring more employees to play moderators on the boards, and then have to deal with the bad press every time someone has to mod the boards. Once offical boards are created, it attracts the worse part of the player base. Then, having access to developers makes players feel as though they are entitled to a personal response and can be "co-developers" of the game.
It makes a lot more sense to allow other people to set up fan sites. You then have people go visit those fan sites. No one expects a offical response on those, but sometimes it is given. The company doesn't need to pay for bandwidth or the servers. There is no need to hire a large community staff to deal with the boards. You also have no bad publicity for deleting or censoring posts because the company won't do it. It will be up to whomever runs fan sites on the rules.
There will be many ways to provide feedback that are a lot more efficient. They have done in DAOC and it works. A month or so they changed a lot of the sounds. There was such negative feedback - without official forums - that within hours they reverted the sounds. It seems minor, but it is a quick example. There are many other things they have changed based on feedback.
What is important is that the company gets feedback and listens to it to improve the game. Official forums are bad for this because it creates expectations from the players that will never be met and will only lead to problems.
I will never play a game without offical forums, it just makes it too convenient for them to ignore the playerbase. Typical E.A. GL to those who chose to play.
You're right. They don't care. That's why a dev posted numorous times in this thread. Not to mention a lot of devs who post regulary in other forums. They do it because they don't care. They also called people from said unofficial forums (the community) and choose to gave them information we haven't heard before, and they gave it to the community, not some famous sites or magazines. They all do that because they don't care about community.
Although some things would be good, other things would be bad for this. Though i always thought you had to have a PAID account to be able to post (some games to even view) the forums for that game? Which does mean if you have a paid account, then you still think it is good enough to pay for.
Now i have read that Daoc didnt have any forums, this is wrong, it did, but you had to have a paid and active subscription to even view it. That may have changed after 2yrs of the game being out (i don't know) but when i was there during beta and its first year it did have official forums. Not sure about you U.S players though. Eu players did, even though we were somewhat 4-6mths behind on patch's.
And the whining is the reason why I don't like official forums. It's the only thing that isn't offered by unofficial forums.
One of the beauties of official forums is that, like any other forum, you don't HAVE to read them...so I don't see why the whining would bother you. On the other hand, forums do offer a direct line of communication to the devs (via the CMs), as well as valuable resources on class-based, game-based, quest-based, etc. issues. To me it signifies a level of professionalism if you will.
But why does it need to be official forums to provide that "direct line of communication to the devs (via the CMs)"... These aren't official forums, yet here I (the CM in question) am responding to your post...
Don't you know? An official forum is a form of customer service. Unofficial forums can be discarded at any moment and databases be lost due to bad maintenance (poor back-up protocols). To guarentee quality of service you do it yourself or hire professionals to do it for you.
I don't care about an official forum because, let's face it, i won't use it, I really don't think we can call a place filled with whinners complaining, that their class don't own every other one, a customer's service; If you have a problem, use the ingame service and if you can't get ingame, e-mail them, it's sure faster than waiting for an answer in a forum, at least i will know they arent wasting resources on a crappy forum i won't use.
And for those who won't play the game due to not having a forum, I' m glad you won't.
I've played a large number of MMO's in the past and personally have seen no correlation between the quality of forums and the quality of customer service or quality of play. SWG for example had great forums and great interaction between the community team and the players. However they still managed not only alienate their player base but also "unbalance" the game (this is just my opinion and is the reason I stopped playing before NGE). So the quality or existence of public forums does not create a development team that listens to its customers.
In the end I tend to trust EA Mythic and more importantly Games Workshop because I doubt that they would allow EA to screw up their IP.
I had no interest in this becoming a fight. I still have no interest in it becoming one. This topic is tedious to begin with, and was only made all the more so by the "z0mg stfu n00b troll flamer!1!!" response I got for DARING (gasp!) to express my disbelief that people were that hung up on the issue of an internet message board.
This whole thread has moved into the theater of the surreal.
I call this piece of art
"Reasons we dont need an official forum" or "Irony"
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
World of Warcraft, Everquest 1 and 2, Lord of the Rings Online, Guild Wars, City of Villains’, Eve Online, City of Heroes, D&D Online. Lineage 2, Ryzom, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Gods and Heroes, Stargate Worlds, Star trek Online. Oh, I forgot one MOST of EA Games!
All of these games have OF... Including EA... Exactly how are they wrong and MYTHIC is right concerning this issue?
Its a simple question, explain how all the other TOP MMO's are missing the boat for having Official Forums.
If you don't understand the benefits of CENTRALIZED INFORMATION EXCHANGE, theres not much anyone can do for you.
Its a simple question, explain how all the other TOP MMO's are missing the boat for having Official Forums. If you don't understand the benefits of CENTRALIZED INFORMATION EXCHANGE, theres not much anyone can do for you.
The centralized Information Exchange will happen In the Game and per E-Mail.
Thing with official Forums is: There is no information exchanged.
The Minorities whine that their class is too weak/other classes are too strong, the minorities cry about this and that.
Official Forums need Moderators 24/7, and they serve basically no purpose, except that those few who aren't content with the game keep whining and flaming each other.
If you want Information, go to Thottbot, or other sites dedicated to Information, they generally host Forums especially for Information Exchange.
Baring my persional feeling on this... Lets make a poll.
Its a good thing.
There are already good Warhammer forums out there. From what I see of official forums they are full of people crying nerf!! So good riddance I say.
LOL, you act as if there will not be whining since there are no official forums. Did it really work with Vanguard? No. There will still be whining, but it will be spread across multiple boards. Believe it or not, there is sometimes a legitimate call for class balance. Of ocurse this is Mythic, they practically invented the nerf bat.
Anyone remember what happened to Shadowblades back in the day? They became virtually unplayable. The Developers of any MMO are not all knowing and wise, otherwise there would be perfect class balance when the games come out, which is never the case. Also consider this is a PvP game so the calls for balance will be much louder.
It's a laughable logic that people think there will be no crying because there are no official forums. All it does is make legit concerns harder for the devs to find, and makes them have to visit 10 web sites to do damage control. If you don't like what you see on official forums, then simply don't visit them, but the whining will happen whether you like it or not.
So, instead of venting, griping and whining in official forums, where we know the devs are actually reading and acknowledging the topics. We'll see this transferred into the game itself. It will be Barrens chat x 1000. It will make EC chat seem like a stroll thorugh the park. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes tried to go this route and the player base felt ignored by the company. If SOE got anything right with that stupid piece of crap, it was to add an official forum.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Baring my persional feeling on this... Lets make a poll.
Its a good thing.
There are already good Warhammer forums out there. From what I see of official forums they are full of people crying nerf!! So good riddance I say.
LOL, you act as if there will not be whining since there are no official forums. Did it really work with Vanguard? No. There will still be whining, but it will be spread across multiple boards. Believe it or not, there is sometimes a legitimate call for class balance. Of ocurse this is Mythic, they practically invented the nerf bat.
Anyone remember what happened to Shadowblades back in the day? They became virtually unplayable. The Developers of any MMO are not all knowing and wise, otherwise there would be perfect class balance when the games come out, which is never the case. Also consider this is a PvP game so the calls for balance will be much louder.
It's a laughable logic that people think there will be no crying because there are no official forums. All it does is make legit concerns harder for the devs to find, and makes them have to visit 10 web sites to do damage control. If you don't like what you see on official forums, then simply don't visit them, but the whining will happen whether you like it or not.
But when the moderators of a fansite lock constant threads for whining/bitching consistently, the people won't scream that it's the developers that can't stand what they're complaining about and all that stuff.
Since it'll be the fansite mods doing the blocking.
Go look at the AoC forums. Already there is a severe amount of flaming and stuff over there that is unchecked and the game hasn't even been released.
Problem with official forums is that the mods of them never seem to know when to lock a thread.
Also un-official forums will do a ton to dissuade the crying, because people only cry a lot when they think someone is watching. If they know they'll get a reply. Which is why you don't see "Nerf this, Nerf that" on mmorpg.com WoW forums as much as WoW's official forums.
True it'll always be there, but it'll be much less.
This whole not having official forums thing isn't a new idea for Mythic, they did the same thing with DAoC and I had no problem finding information, or having conversations with people that also played the game.
It's not like this is some untested method. They tried it with a previous game and liked the outcome.
EDIT: To Vrazule: The reason people in Vanguard felt ignored by the developers is because they were. Ask the people on the already unofficial forums if they feel like they're being ignored by the devs at EA Mythic. I guarantee you you'll get a big hell no.
Especially with the recent fansite gathering.
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Originally posted by Elgareth Thing with official Forums is: There is no information exchanged.
If you seriously believe this you have no idea what you are talking about.
Even WoW's forums, as badly as they are moderated (not), have a huge amount of game information be it from players, GMs and devs.
Sorry, there is just no excuse these days to not have a centralize forum for your game. The cost is minimal. Mythic is no longer a small mom and pop shop, they can afford a few servers and folks to maintain/moderate them. I don't want some dumb ass moderating that happens to be running the non-official forum that a EA-support person happens to be replying to my concerns/problems.
I think its fair to say, we all are looking forward to this game and probably most of us want it to succeed, or we wouldn't take time to post here and express our opinion.
My opinion is simple, Official forums benefit both the playerbase and Mythic. Information Exchange is important.
If the thinking is that handling 500,000+ emails and petitions are far superior and cost efficient then forums, well, nuff said.
But my question still stands - How are all the other top MMO's wrong and Mythic right concerning Official Forums?
1. as proven in past games, official forums are NEVER a source of good information, or a source of help or a good place to socialize, instead you find nothing but trolling, whining and flaming shooting around
2. Mythic has better things to do. They are IN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPING a game here, they don't have time for people spamming up boards they will never have, they are putting their money to better uses.
3. Mythic wants to preserve their vision of Warhammer, listening to the vocal, unskilled minority idiots would only mess it up.
4. Mythic has better ways of finding out what the playerbase wants, a poll is a far better idea
5. other than that? everyone who thought no official forums is a bad thing: go DIAF
thank you, thank you
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Thats what the general population without a brain does on a forum.
I'd vote "good thing".
I have to agree and vote "good thing" too.
Dark Age of Camelot had no official forums -- and I did not miss them at all.
On the other hand, it did have the Camelot Herald which I truly loved. It had tons of information which included all player characters on all servers. That was a very good thing indeed.
And, since we have a Warhammer Herald, I look forward to the same interesting information source.
There will be no shortage of Unofficial Warhammer Forums should you care to use them.
Generally, however, I find that less time spent on the message boards and more time spent playing the game is a good thing.
Don't care to be honest, in all the time i've played World of Warcraft, i very rarely ever go on the main board unless its for something important, the only sites i go in is my servers unofficial forums and my guild forums.
Hopefully what they will have one of those tech support sites(where you send in a question and you'll get a answer back from them) like NCsoft(Or PlayNC if your going by what the Eu and US site is called)and Fileplanet/ign/3fgamers(the ign group basically) has.
Generally, however, I find that less time spent on the message boards and more time spent playing the game is a good thing.
Agreed. However, forums can enhance your gameplay experience. What about those fraps of your siege of a capital city? What about challenges made between the two factions? You simply can't do that stuff in-game. It's impossible.
As I said, there is no shortage of fansites. Find one (or more) that is to your liking and I am sure it will add to your enjoyment of the game.
1. as proven in past games, official forums are NEVER a source of good information, or a source of help or a good place to socialize, instead you find nothing but trolling, whining and flaming shooting around 2. Mythic has better things to do. They are IN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPING a game here, they don't have time for people spamming up boards they will never have, they are putting their money to better uses. 3. Mythic wants to preserve their vision of Warhammer, listening to the vocal, unskilled minority idiots would only mess it up. 4. Mythic has better ways of finding out what the playerbase wants, a poll is a far better idea 5. other than that? everyone who thought no official forums is a bad thing: go DIAF thank you, thank you
I couldnt give a hoot wether there were a forum or not. I only went to the blizzard wow forum my last year in the game. Any probally in game, i sent a petition in game, and it was cleared a day or two later.
In city of heroes, if my synapse or whatever was bugged, once again. In game petition. Was usually fixed within in hour or so.
The thing is, this is Mythics idea, no amount of groping on this thread will change thier policy on leaving out a forum. If mythic doesn't want an official forum, then that means they are more than happy to travel to fansite made sites, where the sense of a community is far stronger. A majority of WAR fans use the fansites linked on the official website.
And even though whining and spammers are found on official forums, thier found on all forums. Most official forums are moderated to a certain agreeable degree.You cannot block all the spammers.
Blizzard does a very good job of listening and replying to people who whine on thier forums. The problem is , you cannot make a game perfect cause there are players who will find out always how to use part of the game to its max potential which in turn is fed into the internet teaching other players.
So wether or not they have an official forum matters not, the outcome is the same.
Lacking the balls to operate and actually use for communications and official forum. Shows me that the developers are not serious about their community and that they dont have faith in their product. True official forums are often filled with flames but in most cases that means there are problems in the game. Lack of OF also tell me that their product is going to be inferior and that they do not want a centralized place for people to whine because people like me read the actual player discussions to decide if a game is ready for purchase.
Game companies should always use their Tech advantage to bring themselves closer to their audience. And that means having a couple guys on the payroll to keep up with the feedback they find in a central location.
Everyone seems to be pointing at Mythic as representative of not having OF being a good thing. I have to wonder if these people played the game in the first 16 months when there was nothing but problems and mass confusion and no where to go with questions or to see what the dev team was planning.
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I will never play a game without offical forums, it just makes it too convenient for them to ignore the playerbase.
Typical E.A.
GL to those who chose to play.
It makes little sense to spend a huge amount of money setting up servers, paying for bandwidth, hiring more employees to play moderators on the boards, and then have to deal with the bad press every time someone has to mod the boards. Once offical boards are created, it attracts the worse part of the player base. Then, having access to developers makes players feel as though they are entitled to a personal response and can be "co-developers" of the game.
It makes a lot more sense to allow other people to set up fan sites. You then have people go visit those fan sites. No one expects a offical response on those, but sometimes it is given. The company doesn't need to pay for bandwidth or the servers. There is no need to hire a large community staff to deal with the boards. You also have no bad publicity for deleting or censoring posts because the company won't do it. It will be up to whomever runs fan sites on the rules.
There will be many ways to provide feedback that are a lot more efficient. They have done in DAOC and it works. A month or so they changed a lot of the sounds. There was such negative feedback - without official forums - that within hours they reverted the sounds. It seems minor, but it is a quick example. There are many other things they have changed based on feedback.
What is important is that the company gets feedback and listens to it to improve the game. Official forums are bad for this because it creates expectations from the players that will never be met and will only lead to problems.
You're right. They don't care. That's why a dev posted numorous times in this thread. Not to mention a lot of devs who post regulary in other forums. They do it because they don't care. They also called people from said unofficial forums (the community) and choose to gave them information we haven't heard before, and they gave it to the community, not some famous sites or magazines. They all do that because they don't care about community.
Although some things would be good, other things would be bad for this. Though i always thought you had to have a PAID account to be able to post (some games to even view) the forums for that game? Which does mean if you have a paid account, then you still think it is good enough to pay for.
Now i have read that Daoc didnt have any forums, this is wrong, it did, but you had to have a paid and active subscription to even view it. That may have changed after 2yrs of the game being out (i don't know) but when i was there during beta and its first year it did have official forums. Not sure about you U.S players though. Eu players did, even though we were somewhat 4-6mths behind on patch's.
One of the beauties of official forums is that, like any other forum, you don't HAVE to read them...so I don't see why the whining would bother you. On the other hand, forums do offer a direct line of communication to the devs (via the CMs), as well as valuable resources on class-based, game-based, quest-based, etc. issues. To me it signifies a level of professionalism if you will.
But why does it need to be official forums to provide that "direct line of communication to the devs (via the CMs)"... These aren't official forums, yet here I (the CM in question) am responding to your post...
Don't you know? An official forum is a form of customer service. Unofficial forums can be discarded at any moment and databases be lost due to bad maintenance (poor back-up protocols). To guarentee quality of service you do it yourself or hire professionals to do it for you.
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I don't care about an official forum because, let's face it, i won't use it, I really don't think we can call a place filled with whinners complaining, that their class don't own every other one, a customer's service; If you have a problem, use the ingame service and if you can't get ingame, e-mail them, it's sure faster than waiting for an answer in a forum, at least i will know they arent wasting resources on a crappy forum i won't use.
And for those who won't play the game due to not having a forum, I' m glad you won't.
I've played a large number of MMO's in the past and personally have seen no correlation between the quality of forums and the quality of customer service or quality of play. SWG for example had great forums and great interaction between the community team and the players. However they still managed not only alienate their player base but also "unbalance" the game (this is just my opinion and is the reason I stopped playing before NGE). So the quality or existence of public forums does not create a development team that listens to its customers.
In the end I tend to trust EA Mythic and more importantly Games Workshop because I doubt that they would allow EA to screw up their IP.
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I call this piece of art
"Reasons we dont need an official forum" or "Irony"
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
World of Warcraft, Everquest 1 and 2, Lord of the Rings Online, Guild Wars, City of Villains’, Eve Online, City of Heroes, D&D Online. Lineage 2, Ryzom, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Gods and Heroes, Stargate Worlds, Star trek Online. Oh, I forgot one MOST of EA Games!
All of these games have OF... Including EA... Exactly how are they wrong and MYTHIC is right concerning this issue?
Its a simple question, explain how all the other TOP MMO's are missing the boat for having Official Forums.
If you don't understand the benefits of CENTRALIZED INFORMATION EXCHANGE, theres not much anyone can do for you.
The centralized Information Exchange will happen In the Game and per E-Mail.
Thing with official Forums is: There is no information exchanged.
The Minorities whine that their class is too weak/other classes are too strong, the minorities cry about this and that.
Official Forums need Moderators 24/7, and they serve basically no purpose, except that those few who aren't content with the game keep whining and flaming each other.
If you want Information, go to Thottbot, or other sites dedicated to Information, they generally host Forums especially for Information Exchange.
There are already good Warhammer forums out there. From what I see of official forums they are full of people crying nerf!! So good riddance I say.
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Why the hell make a poll about it , we all know that with a forum for the community will only cause 1 thing.
Flaming , trolling , whining , bitching , racism , politics, religion ,sexism.
Thats what the general population without a brain does on a forum.
I'd vote "good thing".
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There are already good Warhammer forums out there. From what I see of official forums they are full of people crying nerf!! So good riddance I say.
LOL, you act as if there will not be whining since there are no official forums. Did it really work with Vanguard? No. There will still be whining, but it will be spread across multiple boards. Believe it or not, there is sometimes a legitimate call for class balance. Of ocurse this is Mythic, they practically invented the nerf bat.
Anyone remember what happened to Shadowblades back in the day? They became virtually unplayable. The Developers of any MMO are not all knowing and wise, otherwise there would be perfect class balance when the games come out, which is never the case. Also consider this is a PvP game so the calls for balance will be much louder.
It's a laughable logic that people think there will be no crying because there are no official forums. All it does is make legit concerns harder for the devs to find, and makes them have to visit 10 web sites to do damage control. If you don't like what you see on official forums, then simply don't visit them, but the whining will happen whether you like it or not.
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So, instead of venting, griping and whining in official forums, where we know the devs are actually reading and acknowledging the topics. We'll see this transferred into the game itself. It will be Barrens chat x 1000. It will make EC chat seem like a stroll thorugh the park. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes tried to go this route and the player base felt ignored by the company. If SOE got anything right with that stupid piece of crap, it was to add an official forum.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Its a good thing.There are already good Warhammer forums out there. From what I see of official forums they are full of people crying nerf!! So good riddance I say.
LOL, you act as if there will not be whining since there are no official forums. Did it really work with Vanguard? No. There will still be whining, but it will be spread across multiple boards. Believe it or not, there is sometimes a legitimate call for class balance. Of ocurse this is Mythic, they practically invented the nerf bat.
Anyone remember what happened to Shadowblades back in the day? They became virtually unplayable. The Developers of any MMO are not all knowing and wise, otherwise there would be perfect class balance when the games come out, which is never the case. Also consider this is a PvP game so the calls for balance will be much louder.
It's a laughable logic that people think there will be no crying because there are no official forums. All it does is make legit concerns harder for the devs to find, and makes them have to visit 10 web sites to do damage control. If you don't like what you see on official forums, then simply don't visit them, but the whining will happen whether you like it or not.
But when the moderators of a fansite lock constant threads for whining/bitching consistently, the people won't scream that it's the developers that can't stand what they're complaining about and all that stuff.
Since it'll be the fansite mods doing the blocking.
Go look at the AoC forums. Already there is a severe amount of flaming and stuff over there that is unchecked and the game hasn't even been released.
Problem with official forums is that the mods of them never seem to know when to lock a thread.
Also un-official forums will do a ton to dissuade the crying, because people only cry a lot when they think someone is watching. If they know they'll get a reply. Which is why you don't see "Nerf this, Nerf that" on mmorpg.com WoW forums as much as WoW's official forums.
True it'll always be there, but it'll be much less.
This whole not having official forums thing isn't a new idea for Mythic, they did the same thing with DAoC and I had no problem finding information, or having conversations with people that also played the game.
It's not like this is some untested method. They tried it with a previous game and liked the outcome.
EDIT: To Vrazule: The reason people in Vanguard felt ignored by the developers is because they were. Ask the people on the already unofficial forums if they feel like they're being ignored by the devs at EA Mythic. I guarantee you you'll get a big hell no.
Especially with the recent fansite gathering.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
If you seriously believe this you have no idea what you are talking about.
Even WoW's forums, as badly as they are moderated (not), have a huge amount of game information be it from players, GMs and devs.
Sorry, there is just no excuse these days to not have a centralize forum for your game. The cost is minimal. Mythic is no longer a small mom and pop shop, they can afford a few servers and folks to maintain/moderate them. I don't want some dumb ass moderating that happens to be running the non-official forum that a EA-support person happens to be replying to my concerns/problems.
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Go read the SoE forums.
Go read the IGN forums.
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I think its fair to say, we all are looking forward to this game and probably most of us want it to succeed, or we wouldn't take time to post here and express our opinion.
My opinion is simple, Official forums benefit both the playerbase and Mythic. Information Exchange is important.
If the thinking is that handling 500,000+ emails and petitions are far superior and cost efficient then forums, well, nuff said.
But my question still stands - How are all the other top MMO's wrong and Mythic right concerning Official Forums?
1. as proven in past games, official forums are NEVER a source of good information, or a source of help or a good place to socialize, instead you find nothing but trolling, whining and flaming shooting around
2. Mythic has better things to do. They are IN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPING a game here, they don't have time for people spamming up boards they will never have, they are putting their money to better uses.
3. Mythic wants to preserve their vision of Warhammer, listening to the vocal, unskilled minority idiots would only mess it up.
4. Mythic has better ways of finding out what the playerbase wants, a poll is a far better idea
5. other than that? everyone who thought no official forums is a bad thing: go DIAF
thank you, thank you
The following statement is true: I just told a lie
Why the hell make a poll about it , we all know that with a forum for the community will only cause 1 thing.
Flaming , trolling , whining , bitching , racism , politics, religion ,sexism.
Thats what the general population without a brain does on a forum.
I'd vote "good thing".
I have to agree and vote "good thing" too.
Dark Age of Camelot had no official forums -- and I did not miss them at all.
On the other hand, it did have the Camelot Herald which I truly loved. It had tons of information which included all player characters on all servers. That was a very good thing indeed.
And, since we have a Warhammer Herald, I look forward to the same interesting information source.
There will be no shortage of Unofficial Warhammer Forums should you care to use them.
Generally, however, I find that less time spent on the message boards and more time spent playing the game is a good thing.
~ Ancient Membership ~
Don't care to be honest, in all the time i've played World of Warcraft, i very rarely ever go on the main board unless its for something important, the only sites i go in is my servers unofficial forums and my guild forums.
Hopefully what they will have one of those tech support sites(where you send in a question and you'll get a answer back from them) like NCsoft(Or PlayNC if your going by what the Eu and US site is called)and Fileplanet/ign/3fgamers(the ign group basically) has.
As I said, there is no shortage of fansites. Find one (or more) that is to your liking and I am sure it will add to your enjoyment of the game.
http://aion.24-hrgaming.net
I couldnt give a hoot wether there were a forum or not. I only went to the blizzard wow forum my last year in the game. Any probally in game, i sent a petition in game, and it was cleared a day or two later.
In city of heroes, if my synapse or whatever was bugged, once again. In game petition. Was usually fixed within in hour or so.
The thing is, this is Mythics idea, no amount of groping on this thread will change thier policy on leaving out a forum. If mythic doesn't want an official forum, then that means they are more than happy to travel to fansite made sites, where the sense of a community is far stronger. A majority of WAR fans use the fansites linked on the official website.
And even though whining and spammers are found on official forums, thier found on all forums. Most official forums are moderated to a certain agreeable degree.You cannot block all the spammers.
Blizzard does a very good job of listening and replying to people who whine on thier forums. The problem is , you cannot make a game perfect cause there are players who will find out always how to use part of the game to its max potential which in turn is fed into the internet teaching other players.
So wether or not they have an official forum matters not, the outcome is the same.
Lacking the balls to operate and actually use for communications and official forum. Shows me that the developers are not serious about their community and that they dont have faith in their product. True official forums are often filled with flames but in most cases that means there are problems in the game. Lack of OF also tell me that their product is going to be inferior and that they do not want a centralized place for people to whine because people like me read the actual player discussions to decide if a game is ready for purchase.
Game companies should always use their Tech advantage to bring themselves closer to their audience. And that means having a couple guys on the payroll to keep up with the feedback they find in a central location.
Everyone seems to be pointing at Mythic as representative of not having OF being a good thing. I have to wonder if these people played the game in the first 16 months when there was nothing but problems and mass confusion and no where to go with questions or to see what the dev team was planning.
Refugee from UO,EQ,AC,AC2,AO,DAOC,L2,SB,HZ,CoH,PT,EQ2,WoW,VG,SWG,EVE,WAR,DF,MO,AI,GA,LOTRO, SWTOR... Gw2 on Deck
I will go for a shameless plug! We have forums up at www.totalwarhammer.com and are looking to start up a nice community centered around WAR (go figure)
DarkHors3
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