I dont know about you guys, but I actually like to progress im MMO's. The whole entire point of WoW is to have fun, and progressing your character gives you something to do. Say people clear BT and get full T6 and no expansion was announced. What would people do? PvP? Do BT over and over? Nothing wrong with that..but WoTLK definately will add major gameplay that people will enjoy.
IMO, the people that are playing the game right now are enjoying it. The people on the forums are haters of it. I'm just trying to defend it. Plus how can WoW be dying right now if the base subscribers GREW to 9million? Name one other MMO that had even a fourth of that base.
Why did this thread get moved? We can't talk about WoW in general discussion? The moderators here are the real trolls.
IT is a game specific topic. So it should be in a specific game forum.
We can't talk about game specific stuff in the massively multiplayer online role playing game dot com general discussion board? What are we supposed to talk about? Baking recipes?
what about.... topics that involve more tha a single game?
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Why did this thread get moved? We can't talk about WoW in general discussion? The moderators here are the real trolls.
IT is a game specific topic. So it should be in a specific game forum.
We can't talk about game specific stuff in the massively multiplayer online role playing game dot com general discussion board? What are we supposed to talk about? Baking recipes?
what about.... topics that involve more tha a single game?
Topics that involve more than a single game eh? Lets take a look at my original post shall we?
Originally posted by BigBlackWook
First off this isn't another 'WoW is Doomed' thread despite the title. I play WoW, I like WoW, it is certainley better than most games on the market. However, I plan to be long gone before the alpha class arrives. The fact is I do not like WoW enough to commit to the insane amount of hours I used to put up in games like EQ and SWG. I already fell stunted in PVP, despite being a level 70 MS spec'd war. It's going to take weeks of lost battles in the arena to earn enough faction to gear myself out. The timesink is just to great in comparison to the achievments.
The horizon looks promising, AoC, STO, Gears of War on PC this christmas. Odds are I'll have found something to pique my interest, because running from one 14 year old death knight strait into another seems like the height of tedium to me. If there is anything more boring than grinding out this 'hero class' I'm quite sure it's getting ganked by it, over and over and over.
Now I'm no expert at math, but it looks to me like I mention now fewer than six games in this post. The only reason this thread was moved is because the mmorpg gang just chokes on the fact that the most successful rpg out there wants nothing to do with this tabloid website.
mmorpg.com wants people discussing Granaldo Esplanada or Pirates of the Burning Sea or whatever other six week shelf life game that is so desperate for coverage they pay this site for advertising.
I notice that the word "work" is used quite often here. As in work for gear, work for rep. Isn't the purpose of any game, including WoW, to be fun?
Don't play semantics...or do you really want Blizzard to just give you everything when you first start out your character?
"Oh okay you started a rogue? here, he's level 80 now...oh and here's the best gear in the game..go run around and brag to all the other people who have the exact same stuff"
That's why they use the word work...it's a labor of love for many people. WHile you'll hear raiders bitch about raiding costs, they will still raid because the thrill of killing a difficult encounter for the first time and having a chance at some really nice gear outweighs their hatred for farming mats and gold to make up for insane repair costs.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
They copied the Death Knight from Beyond Divinity.
They copied the Death knight from Warcraft 2 (1996), oh wait they copied themselves
This brings me again to the idea of Warhammer in 1984. And i'm sick and tired of discussing who is the copy cat coz it's obvious.
Yeah, because everything Warhammer has done has been completely origional. Look bud, I understand the connection between the two companies and how things went down prior to the release of Starcraft and Warcraft 2...but please, point me towards the deathknight in Warhammer, because there really isn't a unit that's all that comperable to a deathknight, nor is there any real similarity between the plot lines of the two franchises outside of the extremely generic bits that every single fantasy game has already done before.
Are you going to call up Tolkein and tell him that he's a copy cat too? Everyone copies someone, so stop acting like Blizzard is the anti christ just because you have a stupid grudge against world of warcraft.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
First off this isn't another 'WoW is Doomed' thread despite the title. I play WoW, I like WoW, it is certainley better than most games on the market. However, I plan to be long gone before the alpha class arrives. The fact is I do not like WoW enough to commit to the insane amount of hours I used to put up in games like EQ and SWG. I already fell stunted in PVP, despite being a level 70 MS spec'd war. It's going to take weeks of lost battles in the arena to earn enough faction to gear myself out. The timesink is just to great in comparison to the achievments. The horizon looks promising, AoC, STO, Gears of War on PC this christmas. Odds are I'll have found something to pique my interest, because running from one 14 year old death knight strait into another seems like the height of tedium to me. If there is anything more boring than grinding out this 'hero class' I'm quite sure it's getting ganked by it, over and over and over.
the deathknight is the signal that blizz is getting desperate and that WoW is dieing, with all the grinding and boring content, people will soon want something different than start the griding and raiding game all over again and soon will go to other games WoW is already dieing from internal problems, external competion will surely spell its doom.
The following statement is true: I just told a lie
First off this isn't another 'WoW is Doomed' thread despite the title. I play WoW, I like WoW, it is certainley better than most games on the market. However, I plan to be long gone before the alpha class arrives. The fact is I do not like WoW enough to commit to the insane amount of hours I used to put up in games like EQ and SWG. I already fell stunted in PVP, despite being a level 70 MS spec'd war. It's going to take weeks of lost battles in the arena to earn enough faction to gear myself out. The timesink is just to great in comparison to the achievments. The horizon looks promising, AoC, STO, Gears of War on PC this christmas. Odds are I'll have found something to pique my interest, because running from one 14 year old death knight strait into another seems like the height of tedium to me. If there is anything more boring than grinding out this 'hero class' I'm quite sure it's getting ganked by it, over and over and over.
the deathknight is the signal that blizz is getting desperate and that WoW is dieing, with all the grinding and boring content, people will soon want something different than start the griding and raiding game all over again and soon will go to other games WoW is already dieing from internal problems, external competion will surely spell its doom.
Its always fun to meet people from another world. So how is WoW doing in your world Trizap? Because in the real world, World of Warcraft went from 8,5 million subscribers to 9 million subscribers in a few months, and the info you just posted is a whole load of crap you pulled out of your ass.
I mean seriously, do you even think before you type something? "Blizzard added a hero class, the game must be on the edge of death"
Newsflash:
Blizzard said they were planning hero classes a few months after release of the game. There are lots of MMO's that added new classes, it does not even HINT that the game is dieing.
First off this isn't another 'WoW is Doomed' thread despite the title. I play WoW, I like WoW, it is certainley better than most games on the market. However, I plan to be long gone before the alpha class arrives. The fact is I do not like WoW enough to commit to the insane amount of hours I used to put up in games like EQ and SWG. I already fell stunted in PVP, despite being a level 70 MS spec'd war. It's going to take weeks of lost battles in the arena to earn enough faction to gear myself out. The timesink is just to great in comparison to the achievments. The horizon looks promising, AoC, STO, Gears of War on PC this christmas. Odds are I'll have found something to pique my interest, because running from one 14 year old death knight strait into another seems like the height of tedium to me. If there is anything more boring than grinding out this 'hero class' I'm quite sure it's getting ganked by it, over and over and over.
the deathknight is the signal that blizz is getting desperate and that WoW is dieing, with all the grinding and boring content, people will soon want something different than start the griding and raiding game all over again and soon will go to other games WoW is already dieing from internal problems, external competion will surely spell its doom.
Its always fun to meet people from another world. So how is WoW doing in your world Trizap? Because in the real world, World of Warcraft went from 8,5 million subscribers to 9 million subscribers in a few months, and the info you just posted is a whole load of crap you pulled out of your ass.
I mean seriously, do you even think before you type something? "Blizzard added a hero class, the game must be on the edge of death"
Newsflash:
Blizzard said they were planning hero classes a few months after release of the game. There are lots of MMO's that added new classes, it does not even HINT that the game is dieing.
9 million subscribers? bah I don't buy that, there is no way there can be 9 mil subscribed to WoW. you are judging WoW's quality on the quantity of players playing it and guess what? quantity doesn't equal quality, WoW only has all these subscribers why? because 9 million people are idiots.
why is the death knight a signal that Blizz is getting desperate? because they know AoC and WAR is coming and they are trying to add things to keep people in WoW, they are obviously failing
The following statement is true: I just told a lie
Don't take SWG jedis for example, they are not how the Death Knights will work.
Look at the Kheldians in CoX. Kheldians doesn't shaft any regular players, while adding many interesting options. Jedis shaft pretty much 99% of the player base who isn't playing one. So there are no comparaison there. EPIC classes doesn't tank better, they doesn't do more DPS, they doesn't heal better...then the best specialists...but they do extremely well in EVERY topic (some restrictions may applies, such as when healing it prevent you from doing damage and so on).
That's been said, I rather play with the game that think of the good ideas then with the game which copy it with some poor and bad ideas from many competitors (such as raiding endgame for example).
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
First off this isn't another 'WoW is Doomed' thread despite the title. I play WoW, I like WoW, it is certainley better than most games on the market. However, I plan to be long gone before the alpha class arrives. The fact is I do not like WoW enough to commit to the insane amount of hours I used to put up in games like EQ and SWG. I already fell stunted in PVP, despite being a level 70 MS spec'd war. It's going to take weeks of lost battles in the arena to earn enough faction to gear myself out. The timesink is just to great in comparison to the achievments. The horizon looks promising, AoC, STO, Gears of War on PC this christmas. Odds are I'll have found something to pique my interest, because running from one 14 year old death knight strait into another seems like the height of tedium to me. If there is anything more boring than grinding out this 'hero class' I'm quite sure it's getting ganked by it, over and over and over.
the deathknight is the signal that blizz is getting desperate and that WoW is dieing, with all the grinding and boring content, people will soon want something different than start the griding and raiding game all over again and soon will go to other games WoW is already dieing from internal problems, external competion will surely spell its doom.
Its always fun to meet people from another world. So how is WoW doing in your world Trizap? Because in the real world, World of Warcraft went from 8,5 million subscribers to 9 million subscribers in a few months, and the info you just posted is a whole load of crap you pulled out of your ass.
I mean seriously, do you even think before you type something? "Blizzard added a hero class, the game must be on the edge of death"
Newsflash:
Blizzard said they were planning hero classes a few months after release of the game. There are lots of MMO's that added new classes, it does not even HINT that the game is dieing.
9 million subscribers? bah I don't buy that, there is no way there can be 9 mil subscribed to WoW. you are judging WoW's quality on the quantity of players playing it and guess what? quantity doesn't equal quality, WoW only has all these subscribers why? because 9 million people are idiots.
why is the death knight a signal that Blizz is getting desperate? because they know AoC and WAR is coming and they are trying to add things to keep people in WoW, they are obviously failing
Yes there can be 9 million subscribers.
World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules.
Didn't I just told you to educate yourself first?
And the game is a good game, it received high critic scores, tons of awards and 9 million subscribers. Just because you don't enjoy the game does not mean its a bad game, I suggest you accept that you're opinion is not fact.
And give me ONE piece of evidence that Death Knight is a signal that Blizz is getting desperate. Why would Blizzard care about AoC and WAR? Both games are made by companies that didn't top 250k subscribers with their previous games, and Lotro and SWG prove that an IP means jack.
They aren't failing, you're just blinded by your hatred for the game. I suggest you stop posting in this topic, you're just emberassing to every WoW hater.
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules. Didn't I just told you to educate yourself first? And the game is a good game, it received high critic scores, tons of awards and 9 million subscribers. Just because you don't enjoy the game does not mean its a bad game, I suggest you accept that you're opinion is not fact. And give me ONE piece of evidence that Death Knight is a signal that Blizz is getting desperate. Why would Blizzard care about AoC and WAR? Both games are made by companies that didn't top 250k subscribers with their previous games, and Lotro and SWG prove that an IP means jack. They aren't failing, you're just blinded by your hatred for the game. I suggest you stop posting in this topic, you're just emberassing to every WoW hater.
Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules. Didn't I just told you to educate yourself first? And the game is a good game, it received high critic scores, tons of awards and 9 million subscribers. Just because you don't enjoy the game does not mean its a bad game, I suggest you accept that you're opinion is not fact. And give me ONE piece of evidence that Death Knight is a signal that Blizz is getting desperate. Why would Blizzard care about AoC and WAR? Both games are made by companies that didn't top 250k subscribers with their previous games, and Lotro and SWG prove that an IP means jack. They aren't failing, you're just blinded by your hatred for the game. I suggest you stop posting in this topic, you're just emberassing to every WoW hater.
Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
Is that honnestly the best you can do? Compare it to a complete different industry?
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
I knew people would hate this as a Hero Class (I'm not convinced myself) just as many people would defend it (since it was supposed to be in years ago). Unfortunately, this is NOT what the Hero Classes were originally intended to be. Originally, they were going to be an extension of the Talent system. You focus on one tree and become a different class by doing so. This is just an unlockable, high-level-start class, nothing like the Hero Classes as originally discussed. Decent idea, but NOT what I was waiting for.
Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
Is that honnestly the best you can do? Compare it to a complete different industry?
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
Is that honnestly the best you can do? Compare it to a complete different industry?
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
Depends on the company that takes the reviews, but most require a strong passion for games, and good writing skills. If you're unable to judge a game, you'll get kicked out. So yes, they are critics. Its their job to rate a game.
And yes, 9 million is a mark of quality. Blizzard has always published great games and WoW is no different. WoW Appeals to the mass market no more then Everquest 2 does, Or Lotro, or SWG. But I don't see those having even 5% of WoW's subscriber base.
WoW is a high quality MMO, its that simple. You might not like it, it might not be for you, and thats fine. But just because you don't like it does not make it a bad game.
Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
Is that honnestly the best you can do? Compare it to a complete different industry?
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
WoW haters brighten up my day with their twisted logic.
WoW haters brighten up my day with their twisted logic.
Lad, thats not twisted logic. Or do you like doing what others do? Do you like wearing the same clothes as most others do? Do you like to do everything what masses do? If not then don't bring up arguments like 9 mil people play it, it must be great.
Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
Is that honnestly the best you can do? Compare it to a complete different industry?
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
now you are really getting at straws.
For one, there are numerous examples of good movies that are also extremey popular, like... star wars? lords of the rings? many others not fantasy or sci fi?
second, this is a classic. "WoW is a good game cause the game critics says so <link to amazing reviews from several sites and magazines>" answer "tsk, game critics are idiots incompetents and they understand nothing of games"
All of them? cause here we are not talking og gamespot or gamespy as an isolated case, we have huge amount of sites AND Magazines giving high votes. You can think what you want, but those professionals (yes, they are professionals, nobody pay a guy just because he knows how to write, he must be good at what he does too, wake. up!) all have a regular pay. (ok, some of them can be freelancers).
Putting a whole category of professionals in the dustbin just because you happen to disagree with them seems... stubborn.
Maybe you should consider the idea that , hey! wow is actually a good game! you just don't like it!
I doubt everybody like Final Fantasy series, it is a japanese rpg and it full of that genre characteristics for one... it still does not mean that the final fantasy series is crap... just you do not like it! surprise!
Ok, back to OP: Come on, the post is clearly about WoW and not only in general, but about a specific feature, the Death knight.
I was also thinking... you are supposed to start level 55-70 (not yet decided) but what about gear? let say you start level 60.. what kind of stuff you will have? epic stuff? can you choose what weapon? (like sword... 1 handed? 2 handed? dual swords? axes? hammers?) what about armor?
the death knight will have talents, will you have a choice of armor depending on what talents you choose? will you be able to see your talents BEFORE making the choice? will we have a pandaren Brewmaster as an heroic class ever?
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
WoW haters brighten up my day with their twisted logic.
Lad, thats not twisted logic. Or do you like doing what others do? Do you like wearing the same clothes as most others do? Do you like to do everything what masses do? If not then don't bring up arguments like 9 mil people play it, it must be great.
Your right its not twisted logic its Thillian logic. Did you know WoW had 9 million players..... it must be great.
Do you drive a car like the masses do? do you live in a house like the masses do? do you go to work like the masses do? do you eat like the masses do? do you talk like the masses do?
WoW haters brighten up my day with their twisted logic.
Lad, thats not twisted logic. Or do you like doing what others do? Do you like wearing the same clothes as most others do? Do you like to do everything what masses do? If not then don't bring up arguments like 9 mil people play it, it must be great.
Your right its not twisted logic its Thillian logic. Did you know WoW had 9 million players..... it must be great.
Do you drive a car like the masses do? do you live in a house like the masses do? do you go to work like the masses do? do you eat like the masses do? do you talk like the masses do?
If you can't see the difference there no point of talking to you any more.
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I dont know about you guys, but I actually like to progress im MMO's. The whole entire point of WoW is to have fun, and progressing your character gives you something to do. Say people clear BT and get full T6 and no expansion was announced. What would people do? PvP? Do BT over and over? Nothing wrong with that..but WoTLK definately will add major gameplay that people will enjoy.
IMO, the people that are playing the game right now are enjoying it. The people on the forums are haters of it. I'm just trying to defend it. Plus how can WoW be dying right now if the base subscribers GREW to 9million? Name one other MMO that had even a fourth of that base.
IT is a game specific topic. So it should be in a specific game forum.
what about.... topics that involve more tha a single game?We can't talk about game specific stuff in the massively multiplayer online role playing game dot com general discussion board? What are we supposed to talk about? Baking recipes?
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
unlockable class *cough* no other game has everrrr done that before *cough cough*
I notice that the word "work" is used quite often here. As in work for gear, work for rep. Isn't the purpose of any game, including WoW, to be fun?
IT is a game specific topic. So it should be in a specific game forum.
what about.... topics that involve more tha a single game?We can't talk about game specific stuff in the massively multiplayer online role playing game dot com general discussion board? What are we supposed to talk about? Baking recipes?
Topics that involve more than a single game eh? Lets take a look at my original post shall we?
Now I'm no expert at math, but it looks to me like I mention now fewer than six games in this post. The only reason this thread was moved is because the mmorpg gang just chokes on the fact that the most successful rpg out there wants nothing to do with this tabloid website.
mmorpg.com wants people discussing Granaldo Esplanada or Pirates of the Burning Sea or whatever other six week shelf life game that is so desperate for coverage they pay this site for advertising.
They copied the Death knight from Warcraft 2 (1996), oh wait they copied themselves
This brings me again to the idea of Warhammer in 1984. And i'm sick and tired of discussing who is the copy cat coz it's obvious."Oh okay you started a rogue? here, he's level 80 now...oh and here's the best gear in the game..go run around and brag to all the other people who have the exact same stuff"
That's why they use the word work...it's a labor of love for many people. WHile you'll hear raiders bitch about raiding costs, they will still raid because the thrill of killing a difficult encounter for the first time and having a chance at some really nice gear outweighs their hatred for farming mats and gold to make up for insane repair costs.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
They copied the Death knight from Warcraft 2 (1996), oh wait they copied themselves
This brings me again to the idea of Warhammer in 1984. And i'm sick and tired of discussing who is the copy cat coz it's obvious.Yeah, because everything Warhammer has done has been completely origional. Look bud, I understand the connection between the two companies and how things went down prior to the release of Starcraft and Warcraft 2...but please, point me towards the deathknight in Warhammer, because there really isn't a unit that's all that comperable to a deathknight, nor is there any real similarity between the plot lines of the two franchises outside of the extremely generic bits that every single fantasy game has already done before.
Are you going to call up Tolkein and tell him that he's a copy cat too? Everyone copies someone, so stop acting like Blizzard is the anti christ just because you have a stupid grudge against world of warcraft.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
The following statement is true: I just told a lie
the deathknight is the signal that blizz is getting desperate and that WoW is dieing, with all the grinding and boring content, people will soon want something different than start the griding and raiding game all over again and soon will go to other games WoW is already dieing from internal problems, external competion will surely spell its doom.Its always fun to meet people from another world. So how is WoW doing in your world Trizap? Because in the real world, World of Warcraft went from 8,5 million subscribers to 9 million subscribers in a few months, and the info you just posted is a whole load of crap you pulled out of your ass.
I mean seriously, do you even think before you type something? "Blizzard added a hero class, the game must be on the edge of death"
Newsflash:
Blizzard said they were planning hero classes a few months after release of the game. There are lots of MMO's that added new classes, it does not even HINT that the game is dieing.
www.blizzard.com/press/070724.shtml
Educate yourself before you post.
Its always fun to meet people from another world. So how is WoW doing in your world Trizap? Because in the real world, World of Warcraft went from 8,5 million subscribers to 9 million subscribers in a few months, and the info you just posted is a whole load of crap you pulled out of your ass.
I mean seriously, do you even think before you type something? "Blizzard added a hero class, the game must be on the edge of death"
Newsflash:
Blizzard said they were planning hero classes a few months after release of the game. There are lots of MMO's that added new classes, it does not even HINT that the game is dieing.
www.blizzard.com/press/070724.shtml
Educate yourself before you post.
9 million subscribers? bah I don't buy that, there is no way there can be 9 mil subscribed to WoW. you are judging WoW's quality on the quantity of players playing it and guess what? quantity doesn't equal quality, WoW only has all these subscribers why? because 9 million people are idiots.why is the death knight a signal that Blizz is getting desperate? because they know AoC and WAR is coming and they are trying to add things to keep people in WoW, they are obviously failing
The following statement is true: I just told a lie
wow wont be doomed till aoc comes out. lol naaa wow will be around for another 6 years strong. or will it?
Everything Happens For A Reason! "Shadowziel"
Don't take SWG jedis for example, they are not how the Death Knights will work.
Look at the Kheldians in CoX. Kheldians doesn't shaft any regular players, while adding many interesting options. Jedis shaft pretty much 99% of the player base who isn't playing one. So there are no comparaison there. EPIC classes doesn't tank better, they doesn't do more DPS, they doesn't heal better...then the best specialists...but they do extremely well in EVERY topic (some restrictions may applies, such as when healing it prevent you from doing damage and so on).
That's been said, I rather play with the game that think of the good ideas then with the game which copy it with some poor and bad ideas from many competitors (such as raiding endgame for example).
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Its always fun to meet people from another world. So how is WoW doing in your world Trizap? Because in the real world, World of Warcraft went from 8,5 million subscribers to 9 million subscribers in a few months, and the info you just posted is a whole load of crap you pulled out of your ass.
I mean seriously, do you even think before you type something? "Blizzard added a hero class, the game must be on the edge of death"
Newsflash:
Blizzard said they were planning hero classes a few months after release of the game. There are lots of MMO's that added new classes, it does not even HINT that the game is dieing.
www.blizzard.com/press/070724.shtml
Educate yourself before you post.
9 million subscribers? bah I don't buy that, there is no way there can be 9 mil subscribed to WoW. you are judging WoW's quality on the quantity of players playing it and guess what? quantity doesn't equal quality, WoW only has all these subscribers why? because 9 million people are idiots.why is the death knight a signal that Blizz is getting desperate? because they know AoC and WAR is coming and they are trying to add things to keep people in WoW, they are obviously failing
Yes there can be 9 million subscribers.World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules.
Didn't I just told you to educate yourself first?
And the game is a good game, it received high critic scores, tons of awards and 9 million subscribers. Just because you don't enjoy the game does not mean its a bad game, I suggest you accept that you're opinion is not fact.
And give me ONE piece of evidence that Death Knight is a signal that Blizz is getting desperate. Why would Blizzard care about AoC and WAR? Both games are made by companies that didn't top 250k subscribers with their previous games, and Lotro and SWG prove that an IP means jack.
They aren't failing, you're just blinded by your hatred for the game. I suggest you stop posting in this topic, you're just emberassing to every WoW hater.
Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
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Can you please give me an example in music or movie industry of a product that is very popular in compare to its competition, and it's also a quality product?
Is that honnestly the best you can do? Compare it to a complete different industry?Here, let me point it out to you.
WoW: Most subscribers
WoW: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/534914.asp?q=World of Warcraft
coincidence? I think not.
Gears of War: Most popular Xbox360 shooter.
www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
I knew people would hate this as a Hero Class (I'm not convinced myself) just as many people would defend it (since it was supposed to be in years ago). Unfortunately, this is NOT what the Hero Classes were originally intended to be. Originally, they were going to be an extension of the Talent system. You focus on one tree and become a different class by doing so. This is just an unlockable, high-level-start class, nothing like the Hero Classes as originally discussed. Decent idea, but NOT what I was waiting for.
Here, let me point it out to you.
WoW: Most subscribers
WoW: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/534914.asp?q=World of Warcraft
coincidence? I think not.
Gears of War: Most popular Xbox360 shooter.
www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
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Here, let me point it out to you.
WoW: Most subscribers
WoW: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/534914.asp?q=World of Warcraft
coincidence? I think not.
Gears of War: Most popular Xbox360 shooter.
www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
Depends on the company that takes the reviews, but most require a strong passion for games, and good writing skills. If you're unable to judge a game, you'll get kicked out. So yes, they are critics. Its their job to rate a game.And yes, 9 million is a mark of quality. Blizzard has always published great games and WoW is no different. WoW Appeals to the mass market no more then Everquest 2 does, Or Lotro, or SWG. But I don't see those having even 5% of WoW's subscriber base.
WoW is a high quality MMO, its that simple. You might not like it, it might not be for you, and thats fine. But just because you don't like it does not make it a bad game.
Here, let me point it out to you.
WoW: Most subscribers
WoW: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/534914.asp?q=World of Warcraft
coincidence? I think not.
Gears of War: Most popular Xbox360 shooter.
www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
Can WoW really be any more doomed ?
Played almost everything...
Currently playing nothing...
Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
Lad, thats not twisted logic. Or do you like doing what others do? Do you like wearing the same clothes as most others do? Do you like to do everything what masses do? If not then don't bring up arguments like 9 mil people play it, it must be great.
REALITY CHECK
Is that honnestly the best you can do? Compare it to a complete different industry?Here, let me point it out to you.
WoW: Most subscribers
WoW: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/534914.asp?q=World of Warcraft
coincidence? I think not.
Gears of War: Most popular Xbox360 shooter.
www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp
Ofcourse there are many other examples. Final Fantasy is seen by critics as the best RPG series, and its also the best selling console role playing game. coincidence? I think not.
Ofcourse there are exceptions to the rule, but Quality and Quanity are often related.
If a game can have 9 million subscribers for over 2 years now, then its obviously doing something right.
Wait let me get it right. Do you think that people that write game reviews are actually critics? Believe it or not, but requirements to become a game reviewer is a good writing technique. Nothing else. There is no requirement that would show how good is the person's ability to evaluate games.
You think that when wow has 9 mil subscribers 2 years now its a mark of quality. I heavily disagree. Appealing to mass market and being a quality product is opposing to each other. You can't appeal with a quality product on mass market, because the critical thinking of an average consumer is terribly low. Everyone that is in the business knows that including politics. Thats why populistic politicans can even get 40% in elections.
now you are really getting at straws.
For one, there are numerous examples of good movies that are also extremey popular, like... star wars? lords of the rings? many others not fantasy or sci fi?
second, this is a classic. "WoW is a good game cause the game critics says so <link to amazing reviews from several sites and magazines>" answer "tsk, game critics are idiots incompetents and they understand nothing of games"
All of them? cause here we are not talking og gamespot or gamespy as an isolated case, we have huge amount of sites AND Magazines giving high votes. You can think what you want, but those professionals (yes, they are professionals, nobody pay a guy just because he knows how to write, he must be good at what he does too, wake. up!) all have a regular pay. (ok, some of them can be freelancers).
Putting a whole category of professionals in the dustbin just because you happen to disagree with them seems... stubborn.
Maybe you should consider the idea that , hey! wow is actually a good game! you just don't like it!
I doubt everybody like Final Fantasy series, it is a japanese rpg and it full of that genre characteristics for one... it still does not mean that the final fantasy series is crap... just you do not like it! surprise!
Ok, back to OP: Come on, the post is clearly about WoW and not only in general, but about a specific feature, the Death knight.
I was also thinking... you are supposed to start level 55-70 (not yet decided) but what about gear? let say you start level 60.. what kind of stuff you will have? epic stuff? can you choose what weapon? (like sword... 1 handed? 2 handed? dual swords? axes? hammers?) what about armor?
the death knight will have talents, will you have a choice of armor depending on what talents you choose? will you be able to see your talents BEFORE making the choice? will we have a pandaren Brewmaster as an heroic class ever?
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Your right its not twisted logic its Thillian logic. Did you know WoW had 9 million players..... it must be great.Lad, thats not twisted logic. Or do you like doing what others do? Do you like wearing the same clothes as most others do? Do you like to do everything what masses do? If not then don't bring up arguments like 9 mil people play it, it must be great.
Do you drive a car like the masses do? do you live in a house like the masses do? do you go to work like the masses do? do you eat like the masses do? do you talk like the masses do?
Your right its not twisted logic its Thillian logic. Did you know WoW had 9 million players..... it must be great.Lad, thats not twisted logic. Or do you like doing what others do? Do you like wearing the same clothes as most others do? Do you like to do everything what masses do? If not then don't bring up arguments like 9 mil people play it, it must be great.
Do you drive a car like the masses do? do you live in a house like the masses do? do you go to work like the masses do? do you eat like the masses do? do you talk like the masses do?
If you can't see the difference there no point of talking to you any more.
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