The difference between WoW's pvp and L2's PVP is that L2's pvp has a big effect on the world. in WoW...it doesn't have any effect on the outside world (Yet)
But wow have a very well designed arena ladder system, wich puts very much competition and prestigue(spelling?) into the PvP. Blizzard even host Tournament Events where people play live and win prizes.
In WoW you can also Gear up your character throught PvP.
Not the mention the frequent use of Potions in most asian MMORPGs make 1on1 pvp totaly pointless. its whoever runs out of potions first who lose.
If arena's are your thing, then there you go, you should be playing WoW, but if you want PVP to have an actual impact on the game, your social relations in the game, and the gameworld, then Lineage 2's pvp is more suited for you.
Also, frequent use of potions depends on the game, not every game has it, and some games have actually balanced it. For example in Lineage 2, its impossible to spam potions. FFXI isn't a potion spamming game either.
But keep in mind that MMO pvp is usually build around group pvp, not 1 vs 1. Blizzard has revealed at Blizcon that WoW is not build for 1 vs 1 pvp either, its based on group vs group pvp.
The difference between WoW's pvp and L2's PVP is that L2's pvp has a big effect on the world. in WoW...it doesn't have any effect on the outside world (Yet)
But wow have a very well designed arena ladder system, wich puts very much competition and prestigue(spelling?) into the PvP. Blizzard even host Tournament Events where people play live and win prizes.
In WoW you can also Gear up your character throught PvP.
Not the mention the frequent use of Potions in most asian MMORPGs make 1on1 pvp totaly pointless. its whoever runs out of potions first who lose.
If arena's are your thing, then there you go, you should be playing WoW, but if you want PVP to have an actual impact on the game, your social relations in the game, and the gameworld, then Lineage 2's pvp is more suited for you.
Also, frequent use of potions depends on the game, not every game has it, and some games have actually balanced it. For example in Lineage 2, its impossible to spam potions. FFXI isn't a potion spamming game either.
But keep in mind that MMO pvp is usually build around group pvp, not 1 vs 1. Blizzard has revealed at Blizcon that WoW is not build for 1 vs 1 pvp either, its based on group vs group pvp.
What is important to me is how fun and challanging the actual pvp battles are. And you must admit that PvP in wow takes much more cordination and movement than the average korean MMO. WoW combat is very dynamic, where movement and cordination is just as important as spells and skills. Lineage 2 etc is just click on a player, stand in melee and unload your abilites/pots. noone is going to try to kite you, fear you around or crowd control you, since the very limited game mechanics doesnt allow that kind of dynamic gameplay
Stop complaining....u like WoW....just play your God damn WoW and not talking bad things about other games if u dont like it..... Let people play games what they want wether they you it or not....
What are you doing on a forum if you dont want to discuss things? forums are made for discussions
Because so many have no monthly fee I guess..I had a friend, younger than me but in his 40's who played Nexus kingdom of the winds for 4 years and that one was p2p...I thought it was extremely boring.
Dont play stupid. Play Silkroad, then play Vanguard and try to say that Vanguard doesnt have more complex and indepth system.
The primary difference between Silkroad and Vanguard are as follows: Silkroad works, people actually play Silkroad. Its the third most played MMO under WoW and GW among xfire users....(yikes)
Dont play stupid. Play Silkroad, then play Vanguard and try to say that Vanguard doesnt have more complex and indepth system.
The primary difference between Silkroad and Vanguard are as follows: Silkroad works, people actually play Silkroad. Its the third most played MMO under WoW and GW among xfire users....(yikes)
Dont play stupid. Play Silkroad, then play Vanguard and try to say that Vanguard doesnt have more complex and indepth system.
The primary difference between Silkroad and Vanguard are as follows: Silkroad works, people actually play Silkroad. Its the third most played MMO under WoW and GW among xfire users....(yikes)
Why not? Its an MMORPG. Your topic is against Korean grinders and does not specify only paid or only free.
Cause its pretty logic that a free game that can load on almost any PC will have a larger playerbase than a p2p game that requires a good comp. dont you think?
I like the costume designs and the character animations, they are usually superior to western mmo's.
Isnt it pretty shallow to play the game for looks and animations?
Aesthetics are the bases for any game you play , some people have different set of priorities. When I want to have eye candy I log into 2moons, when I want to be immersed I log into something else...
i dont understand why people flame me. i created this thread cause i wanted to know why people play korean grinders, i was curious to know what some peopel find intresting with such games. If you like Korean MMOs, there is no need for you to feel offended, and neither is there a reason for you to flame me.
Seriously, i have played probably 20-30 different asian mmorpgs in my days, both Free to play and monthly fee ones. But now i just gotten enought, i cant really belive that some people actually enjoy playing them? what is fun in klicking around and literary sit and watch your character kill mobs, while you press a self buff once each 30 minute and press a potion each 4 second?
Kill 10 mobs to gain level 2 kill 15 mobs to gain level 3 kill 20 mobs to gain level 4 kill 25 mobs to gain level 5, and get a lame self-buff skille that actually have no use (but with a pretty animation) OK, you just described every MMO, western and Asian. How is this description different from WoW or Vanguard? repeat. Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games. Whoever that runs out of potions first die. And you don't use potions in any western games? I'll tell whats a joke, MMORPG PvP. Math based PvP substituted for skill based. Master a skill based PvP game then compare skill based vs grind based. MMO PvP is for people who are actually affaid of PvP and hide behind stats, gear and numbers. There is absolutley NO moment of skill or challange involved, just mind numbling, slow grinding. each class has about 3-4 skills total, and there is absolutley no depth, no class roles or anything. Again, this description fits any and all MMOs. How is it different from WoW or Vanguard? More button mashing equals more complexity? No class roles? What games are you playing? and all asian grinders are literary the same game with just different textures. Same screwed up echonomic, same dull skill system, same controllers and crappy menu system, same boring itemization, with just a new set each 3 or 4 level. In your opinion.
You say you wanted a "discussion" in one of your other post but opened your entire thread with a flame against games a lot of other people play for really no good reason.
If you wanted a "discussion" you should have maybe started out like this....
I like western games better then Asian games and feel they have much more to offer....here is why
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But to answer your simplistic question, People play them becasue they
at least work unlike most western MMOs which take about 6-12 months to get their collective sh*t together on average while you pay. Vanguard will be a great game in about 6 - 12 more months or about 89.94 - 179.88 more dollars in fees, it might be worth playing then.
many have no fees which eliminates the first point
some people like them, which is called personal preference. Not everyone likes what you like.
Stop playing them if they bother you so much. It took you 20-30 different tries to figure this out?
Is it any different from games that are centered around quests, which tell you to kill x number of mobs, journey halfway across the world, and turn them into another guy? The only difference between the two is WHEN the XP is given to you. "Grind based" ones are immediate, you kill a mob, you get resonable xp from it. As for "quest based" ones, you kill a bunch of mobs which gives little xp, and then go back to the quest giver for the remaining bulk.
But games like LOTRO, GW and WoW have a more dynamic and "spell based" combat system, where the focus is on spells and abilites and not on autoattack
Dynamic? You could use a auto-wand to death any non-elite mobs in WoW.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
For the same reason people love to grind levels in WoW and somehow think it's content.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
What is up with this forum? i start a topic about asian MMOs, and it immidiatly turns into a "wow-basher" thread.
For the same reason people love to grind levels in WoW and somehow think it's content.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind, and I'm pretty sure I have played a hell of a lot more asian MMO's then you have.
For the same reason people love to grind levels in WoW and somehow think it's content.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind.
Ok sure... i might be overreacting a bit, but please, you should agree when i say that generaly, asian mmos contain more "grind" than western ones.
Asian games, make by Asians for Asians. Now wonder we dont like them. I guess it's the way they live there, the way they are raised, it's part of their philosophy of life that everything in life must be acquire through pain and tedious work, it shows in their games.
As for me, i have no problem with some grinding, but i can't stand point and click. You could have the best game in the world, if it's point and click i'm not playing it.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games.
So Linage2's PvP is a joke compared to WoW? (Your game of choice), sorry buddy but I don't think so.
Cause its pretty logic that a free game that can load on almost any PC will have a larger playerbase than a p2p game that requires a good comp. dont you think?
... and what about WoW? it runs on almost any PC and is p2p.
Isnt it pretty shallow to play the game for looks and animations?
Says you, who obviously thinks he's superior to grinders because he has a subscription to WoW.
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It's like playing any low-budget game. Its gonna suck.
Not really.
Look at how much Blizzard make off WoW compared to other games, yet their game is still sucking just as much as other games atm.
What makes a lot of these games fun is the competition... its what you make of the game, achieving with your clan and such. Tryig to play those games solo is a waste of time, but it is the same in any MMO.
What makes MMO's fun for many is competition, and friendships, as lame as that may sound.
For the same reason people love to grind levels in WoW and somehow think it's content.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind.
Ok sure... i might be overreacting a bit, but please, you should agree when i say that generaly, asian mmos contain more "grind" than western ones.
No, I don't agree with you. Sure, it takes longer to reach a cap level in the average asian MMO, but take a game like WoW. you reached the cap, now what? Do repetive dungeons to collect gear, or start a new char. thats just as much of a grind imo.
For the same reason people love to grind levels in WoW and somehow think it's content.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind.
Ok sure... i might be overreacting a bit, but please, you should agree when i say that generaly, asian mmos contain more "grind" than western ones.
No, I don't agree with you. Sure, it takes longer to reach a cap level in the average asian MMO, but take a game like WoW. you reached the cap, now what? Do repetive dungeons to collect gear, or start a new char. thats just as much of a grind imo.
Or you can form a arena team and compete in ladders in tournament. or join a PvE raiding guild and compete in the PvE progress race. If you play the game to get loot then sure it might seem as a grind for epics, but most of the wow players play it for the challanges and progress, boss encounters that actually require CORDINATION and initiatives, rather than just mindless attackspam where you dont even have to move around during the encounters.
And who said my MMO of choice was WoW? my MMO of choice is either EvE or Vanguard,im not even sure if WoW on my top 5. i am just using it as an example since most people have played it and know what i am talking about. Now, Gameloading, i have no idea about how much you have played in endgame pve in wow, but even the first bosses in kharazan in wow are far more complex and require far more cordination and moving than any boss in any asian MMO.
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But wow have a very well designed arena ladder system, wich puts very much competition and prestigue(spelling?) into the PvP. Blizzard even host Tournament Events where people play live and win prizes.
In WoW you can also Gear up your character throught PvP.
Not the mention the frequent use of Potions in most asian MMORPGs make 1on1 pvp totaly pointless. its whoever runs out of potions first who lose.
If arena's are your thing, then there you go, you should be playing WoW, but if you want PVP to have an actual impact on the game, your social relations in the game, and the gameworld, then Lineage 2's pvp is more suited for you.
Also, frequent use of potions depends on the game, not every game has it, and some games have actually balanced it. For example in Lineage 2, its impossible to spam potions. FFXI isn't a potion spamming game either.
But keep in mind that MMO pvp is usually build around group pvp, not 1 vs 1. Blizzard has revealed at Blizcon that WoW is not build for 1 vs 1 pvp either, its based on group vs group pvp.
But wow have a very well designed arena ladder system, wich puts very much competition and prestigue(spelling?) into the PvP. Blizzard even host Tournament Events where people play live and win prizes.
In WoW you can also Gear up your character throught PvP.
Not the mention the frequent use of Potions in most asian MMORPGs make 1on1 pvp totaly pointless. its whoever runs out of potions first who lose.
If arena's are your thing, then there you go, you should be playing WoW, but if you want PVP to have an actual impact on the game, your social relations in the game, and the gameworld, then Lineage 2's pvp is more suited for you.
Also, frequent use of potions depends on the game, not every game has it, and some games have actually balanced it. For example in Lineage 2, its impossible to spam potions. FFXI isn't a potion spamming game either.
But keep in mind that MMO pvp is usually build around group pvp, not 1 vs 1. Blizzard has revealed at Blizcon that WoW is not build for 1 vs 1 pvp either, its based on group vs group pvp.
What is important to me is how fun and challanging the actual pvp battles are. And you must admit that PvP in wow takes much more cordination and movement than the average korean MMO. WoW combat is very dynamic, where movement and cordination is just as important as spells and skills. Lineage 2 etc is just click on a player, stand in melee and unload your abilites/pots. noone is going to try to kite you, fear you around or crowd control you, since the very limited game mechanics doesnt allow that kind of dynamic gameplay
Stop complaining....u like WoW....just play your God damn WoW and not talking bad things about other games if u dont like it.....
Let people play games what they want wether they you it or not....
What are you doing on a forum if you dont want to discuss things? forums are made for discussions
Because so many have no monthly fee I guess..I had a friend, younger than me but in his 40's who played Nexus kingdom of the winds for 4 years and that one was p2p...I thought it was extremely boring.
The primary difference between Silkroad and Vanguard are as follows: Silkroad works, people actually play Silkroad.
http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/
Sorry bro, you are in subjective waters, some people like them, some people don't, why attack it?
I like the costume designs and the character animations, they are usually superior to western mmo's.
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Isnt it pretty shallow to play the game for looks and animations?
The primary difference between Silkroad and Vanguard are as follows: Silkroad works, people actually play Silkroad.
http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/
Sorry bro, you are in subjective waters, some people like them, some people don't, why attack it?
It doesnt make sense to compare a downloadable f2p game that can run on a 10 years old pc to a p2p game with a monthly fee in terms of usebase
The primary difference between Silkroad and Vanguard are as follows: Silkroad works, people actually play Silkroad.
http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/
Sorry bro, you are in subjective waters, some people like them, some people don't, why attack it?
It doesnt make sense to compare a downloadable f2p game that can run on a 10 years old pc to a p2p game with a monthly fee in terms of usebase
Why not? Its an MMORPG. Your topic is against Korean grinders and does not specify only paid or only free.Cause its pretty logic that a free game that can load on almost any PC will have a larger playerbase than a p2p game that requires a good comp. dont you think?
At least try to come up with some constructive arguments
Isnt it pretty shallow to play the game for looks and animations?
Aesthetics are the bases for any game you play , some people have different set of priorities. When I want to have eye candy I log into 2moons, when I want to be immersed I log into something else...
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i dont understand why people flame me. i created this thread cause i wanted to know why people play korean grinders, i was curious to know what some peopel find intresting with such games. If you like Korean MMOs, there is no need for you to feel offended, and neither is there a reason for you to flame me.
You say you wanted a "discussion" in one of your other post but opened your entire thread with a flame against games a lot of other people play for really no good reason.
If you wanted a "discussion" you should have maybe started out like this....
I like western games better then Asian games and feel they have much more to offer....here is why
But to answer your simplistic question, People play them becasue they
Stop playing them if they bother you so much. It took you 20-30 different tries to figure this out?
For the same reason people love to grind levels in WoW and somehow think it's content.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Dynamic? You could use a auto-wand to death any non-elite mobs in WoW.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
What is up with this forum? i start a topic about asian MMOs, and it immidiatly turns into a "wow-basher" thread.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind, and I'm pretty sure I have played a hell of a lot more asian MMO's then you have.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind.
Ok sure... i might be overreacting a bit, but please, you should agree when i say that generaly, asian mmos contain more "grind" than western ones.
Asian games, make by Asians for Asians. Now wonder we dont like them. I guess it's the way they live there, the way they are raised, it's part of their philosophy of life that everything in life must be acquire through pain and tedious work, it shows in their games.
As for me, i have no problem with some grinding, but i can't stand point and click. You could have the best game in the world, if it's point and click i'm not playing it.
Not to mention that PvP is a total JOKE in these types of games.
So Linage2's PvP is a joke compared to WoW? (Your game of choice), sorry buddy but I don't think so.
Cause its pretty logic that a free game that can load on almost any PC will have a larger playerbase than a p2p game that requires a good comp. dont you think?
... and what about WoW? it runs on almost any PC and is p2p.
Isnt it pretty shallow to play the game for looks and animations?
Says you, who obviously thinks he's superior to grinders because he has a subscription to WoW.
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It's like playing any low-budget game. Its gonna suck.
Not really.
Look at how much Blizzard make off WoW compared to other games, yet their game is still sucking just as much as other games atm.
What makes a lot of these games fun is the competition... its what you make of the game, achieving with your clan and such. Tryig to play those games solo is a waste of time, but it is the same in any MMO.
What makes MMO's fun for many is competition, and friendships, as lame as that may sound.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind.
Ok sure... i might be overreacting a bit, but please, you should agree when i say that generaly, asian mmos contain more "grind" than western ones.
No, I don't agree with you. Sure, it takes longer to reach a cap level in the average asian MMO, but take a game like WoW. you reached the cap, now what? Do repetive dungeons to collect gear, or start a new char. thats just as much of a grind imo.
noone loves to grind in wow. grinding is just something you have to do, to be able to enjoy the fun parts of the game. Asian grind mmos are 100% grind. The game is about grinding, grinding IS the game, there are no other aspects. you grind to gain a high level to be able to grind harder mobs. ive been trying to say this for two pages now, and so far noone have replied to it. for the love of god, please stop making comments like "WoW is also about grinding", and try to read my posts.
Asian Grind MMO's are 100% Grind? I only know 1 or 2 Asian MMO's that are all about grind.
Ok sure... i might be overreacting a bit, but please, you should agree when i say that generaly, asian mmos contain more "grind" than western ones.
No, I don't agree with you. Sure, it takes longer to reach a cap level in the average asian MMO, but take a game like WoW. you reached the cap, now what? Do repetive dungeons to collect gear, or start a new char. thats just as much of a grind imo.
Or you can form a arena team and compete in ladders in tournament. or join a PvE raiding guild and compete in the PvE progress race. If you play the game to get loot then sure it might seem as a grind for epics, but most of the wow players play it for the challanges and progress, boss encounters that actually require CORDINATION and initiatives, rather than just mindless attackspam where you dont even have to move around during the encounters.
And who said my MMO of choice was WoW? my MMO of choice is either EvE or Vanguard,im not even sure if WoW on my top 5. i am just using it as an example since most people have played it and know what i am talking about. Now, Gameloading, i have no idea about how much you have played in endgame pve in wow, but even the first bosses in kharazan in wow are far more complex and require far more cordination and moving than any boss in any asian MMO.