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  • CognetoJoeCognetoJoe Member Posts: 446
    Originally posted by _Pix_


     
     
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  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    Originally posted by CognetoJoe


     
    Originally posted by BadT


    just found this, proves interesting :
    Vuuar (FARLAN/NCP) seems to truly suffer from recurrent memory leaks when it comes to certain matters.
    See what he posted on March 6 2003:
     
    http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?p=13249#post13249
    I'll translate for you:
     
    Hello everybody,
    Vuuar is still present and reads the many posts whenever he catches the time... Don't get discouraged, the engine runs fine and the feeling of immersion you get is TERRIFIC. We still got some work to do so that you can enjoy this extraordinary experience and it will be my great pleasure to play with you in DnL... But not on the same side as you 
     
     

    This was 5 days after I accepted to become a salaried employee of NPCube to develop DnL...And see what Vuuar (FARLAN/NPC)is saying now, at the occasion of E3 2006 :http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&id=404&colid=9706


    Stéphane(DnL)- We want to give the players a sandbox in which to create a real world, this has always been our goal but two years ago the technology was just not there to build what we wanted to build and it is now.



    Obviously, the devs were lying to the fans or the devs were lying to the press later on. Guess it depends on which tactic they try to bury this obvious lie.
     

    I'm not sure how those statements are lies ...

     

    First Statement:

    I am completely immersed in the game, they had an engine working on hardware that was not avaible to the  regular consumers , is how I read it.

    It was still in beta -- this was the statement he made to the public regarding how the engine WAS ALREADY RUNNING FINE AND DANDY.

    second statement:

    Finally the hardware is made available to the consumers example: 880GTX's gfx cards and multi processing cpu's are made available which was not available  in 2003 to the regular consumer,  and direct X technologies have advanced as well .

    Errrhhh, WRONG!  The technology incorporated was _pix_'s.  It further shows the flat out lie that was made earlier by Vuuar regarding the working engine.

    Isn't it weird how people read statements differently. Playing the game right now, I am having a hard time that believing Pix had nothing to do with creating Dark and Light, and have a hard time beleiving the , with no patches or updates in 2007, is running this well.

    And many people have a hard time believing the game is as good as you say as by the many comments in the recent news discussion forum regarding this game. Many who have taken the bait arent finding the joy and bliss you yourself claim to be experiencing.  One of the recent posters here, who is still active in the game, contradicts your claims. So yeh, it is weird how people read different things. This however is not the topic.

    Something just doesn't jell for me on this whole topic and I will wait eagerly for the courts judgement, which may lean to Pix just for the fact that Pix is going to sell the Licensing to Militaries, and not gaming.

    And if he does? Its HIS to do as he pleases. If you wish now to antagonize and imply any other idea, then I suggest you mark your words carefully.

     

  • CognetoJoeCognetoJoe Member Posts: 446
    Originally posted by Cholayna




    It was still in beta -- this was the statement he made to the public regarding how the engine WAS ALREADY RUNNING FINE AND DANDY.
    Every Game developer makes the same bold statement about there game, it is called hype. People either bite into the"hype " or just wait for reviews and the "buzz"
    Errrhhh, WRONG!  The technology incorporated was _pix_'s.  It further shows the flat out lie that was made earlier by Vuuar regarding the working engine.
    How do you know what the developer ment in that statement, many  times they are refering to hardware availability to the public and that what he was refering to on that statement , specially at an E3 event. Putting Words into peoples mouth and making things you want to beleive is not how you formulate an argument.
    And many people have a hard time believing the game is as good as you say as by the many comments in the recent news discussion forum regarding this game. Many who have taken the bait arent finding the joy and bliss you yourself claim to be experiencing.  One of the recent posters here, who is still active in the game, contradicts your claims. So yeh, it is weird how people read different things. This however is not the topic.
    There is no bait, I talk about games all across the this forums from 2moons, Lord of the Rings, as well as playing almost every free mmorpg ever posted on the beta forums. This is just another stop for me in trying to find the correct mmo that fits my play style, and through all the forums I will express my journy in these games because that si what the forum is here for, to communicate on a positive level and try new things.  For some reason you take this all to personal, and you shouldn't, it is just a game, which is completely free to play. I would suggest logging on a new account and refresh your memory so your arguments have better weight, cause right now , I have found no game breaking bugs in this title , and I've been beta testing games since 1999 .
    Something just doesn't jell for me on this whole topic and I will wait eagerly for the courts judgement, which may lean to Pix just for the fact that Pix is going to sell the Licensing to Militaries, and not gaming.
    And if he does? Its HIS to do as he pleases. If you wish now to antagonize and imply any other idea, then I suggest you mark your words carefully. 
    Is that a E-thug threat ? Mark my words ? It says right on his own website that Military and space researchers are looking iinto his products and may already been purchased .

     

     

  • SteakpuncherSteakpuncher Member Posts: 255

    Enough is enough. The constant use of the report tool by people participating in these threads is using up a rediculous amount of moderator time. 99% of the reports are made because "person A" does not agree with "person B's" opinion and vice versa. Nobody in this thread apart from the one person who is wholy affected by it knows the exact situation, the only other people who know what are going on are the other involved parties, and legislation officials.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/disclaimers.cfm#conduct - These are our rules of conduct, we base our action from these statements, and not the user definition of a statement. There are constant reports of about people being provoked, annoyed, or harrasment, and it all boils down to the fact people disagree about something, there has been very little insulting at all.

    Now, your choice is either to debate these topics seriously, without resulting to reporting every other post, or, every thread where an arguement breaks out will be deleted, and the participants warned/banned.

     

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

     

    Originally posted by CognetoJoe

    Originally posted by _Pix_


     
     
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    It is quite self-evident that by typing the name of a technology (spelled VWorldTerrain, BTW) on one of the general website of the French Chamber of Commerce you won't find any matches for your request.

    But I can of course help you in your investigation. First of all, you should know that French companies are referenced electronically (and therefore available for searches on the Internet) either on public organizations websites (e.g.Infogreffe) or private companies websites (e.g. Societe.com). Here are a few examples:

     

    on Infogreffe : http://www.infogreffe.fr/infogreffe/jsp/recherche/resultatRechSimple.jsp : CPUSoftware

    [EDIT]: does not work properly since it does not show the result. So please follow the instructions:

    1- select "plus de criteres"

    2- select "aux entreprises radiees"

    3- enter CPU Software

    4- select "RECHERCHER"

    You will find that CPUSoftware was founded in 1997 and closed in 2003. VWORLD is the successor of CPUSofware.

    [/EDIT]

    on société.com : http://www.societe.com/cgi-bin/liste?nom=vworld&dirig=&pre=&ape=&dep=&bout_rechercher2.x=21&bout_rechercher2.y=3 : VWORLD

    You can even check trademarks, if you want.

    Look, do it yourself here: http://www.icimarques.com/

    type VWORLD and see the result.

    And of course, don't forget to click on the yellow link "WorldwideCopyright.com" you can find here: http://www.vworldterrain.com/

     

      

     

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Originally posted by BadT

    Originally posted by _Pix_


     
     
    Originally posted by agh50


    Actually, I very did very much appreciate your answer, and said as much in my reply.   What I questioned was whether or not the DnL forums were  the best place to conduct the discussion---not that the discussion should not be made.

    PS: Re-your last PM, like I already replied, your questions I presume are bound to raise an interest among the other posters of this forum. NPCube and Farlan are two separate companies. I did not quit NPCube in order to form VWORLD. I was not hired to create a graphical engine (suffice it to check my employment date: 1 of March 2003 and check the fisrt DnL screens, dating 2002 like this one http://static.mondespersistants.com/fansites/mp-dnl/screens/5/127.jpg ). What is true is that I co-founded NPCube end of September 2002.  

    I would appreciate you read these forums  carefully as this matter has been addressed many a time already. VWORLD is the successor of my former company, CPUSoftware, formed  in 1997. This information can be verified by contacting the appropriate French Chambers of Commerce. Anyhow VWorldTerrain remains my own property and VWORLD is the only company to grant licensing rights to it, just as CPUSoftware was formerly between 1997 and end 2003. 

    I confirm that I am a busy man, but as NPCube, Farlan and some of their partner companies held so many false allegations about me/VWorldTerrain/VWORLD I will take the necessary time to answer questions that I deem interesting. Being the target of these false allegations, I learnt at my expense that letting rumours grown behind one's back can be prejudicial. 

    That's why the Law makes provision for right of replies, and violating this right is simply illegal.    

       



    Please post your website address again _Pix_. I think also you should reiterate about how recently DNL was in fact found to be using the vworld tech currently even after being ordered not to. I think this is something that should be made more clear to those who are only glancing at this. I think for the sake of the people who really want to see the truth, place your website address in here (I cant remember the address for the free translator though)

    Hi BadT,

    Please find a few links:

    www.pourieux.com : new update available : please google it for (an approximate) translation (sorry, I found out that you had to systematically enter the content in the Google translator, paragraph after paragraph, since apparently this translator cannot translate over a few pages at a time : it has some size limitations)   

    www.vworldterrain.com or www.vworldpowered.com or www.vworld.fr: official website dedicated to the technology/current state-of-the-art  

    Re-the question as to the unauthorized use of VWorldTerrain in Dark in Light :

    3 bailiffs came on June 9, 2006 to check that NPCube was still making use of VWorldTerrain technology in Mafate/DnL

    (and that therefore the "re-writing" of the engine -supposedly because the first version of Mafate was not working properly because the code had been purposedly "sabotaged"-, the so-called Mafate 2.0 was a fake announcement)

    NPCube had been given a formal notice prior to this not to use VWorldTerrain anymore beginning 2006,(There had been long negociations prior to this: to no avail).  This has not prevented NPCube to develop at least another project making unauthorized use of VWorldTerrain, particularly a project which was funded on public funds which today seems to have disappeared from the Internet and seems to have obtained public funds on the grounds of the ownership of revolutionary features of a game engine sometimes also referred to as "software technology" called Mafate... 

    I recently gave my analysis on www.pourieux.com about that particular subject , and stated how the President of the University of Reunion Island, (a 100 % French institution), didn't feel the need to give any reply to a formal letter by my lawyer's chambers.

    European public funds have therefore been granted to a University working in partnership with a local Reunionese company , which was not publicly publishing its statements of accounts -whereas it is compulsory for such a limited liability company-,  and this University has not issued any reports on the status of the project which it had been granted public funds specifically on. This project (E-Campus) should have been completed by the end of last year. It presently has now completely vanished from the Internet. What is particularly puzzling is that there is another report on the Internet on the attribution of public funds stating that NPCube and the University of Reunion Island were indeed atrributed these funds, and if you look closer you are indicated e.g.that they bought Dell laptop computers through a local distributor end 2004 for a price that was 50% higher than Dell normally charges. Well, if I am correct, at that time, Dell was not authorising any sales through an independent distributor ...  

    I won't translate the whole thing here but there was a document , signed by the President of the University of Reunion Island (which IS France, governed by the same laws ) , which was aiming at gaining public funds (and apparently succeeded to that aim judging by the report still available on the Internet ) by stating that NPCube was pilot in its domain in the same way as Microsoft, Vivendi or Sony . Quite wonderful, isn't it ?

    There is currently a scandal going on in Reunion Island on the weird attribution of public markets to local companies selling computer equipment.   

    And my experience tells me that Reunion Island is a small world, and that the people there sometimes have strange secret connections with the real worldwide business world which might explain why  I am still encountering so many problems with having my IP respected . It really is a long journey indeed.

     

     

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Originally posted by CognetoJoe


     
    Something just doesn't jell for me on this whole topic and I will wait eagerly for the courts judgement, which may lean to Pix just for the fact that Pix is going to sell the Licensing to Militaries, and not gaming.
    Oh... Are you making a reference to that particular article:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000674193

    "Someone from the Army was at the [video games industry's] E3 trade show in May, saw the VWorldTerrain technology used in 'Dark And Light,' and invited the VWorld people to a games showcase hosted on June 30 in Washington where there were many large military contractors," explains Bruce Roberts, a division scientist at BBN. "It is absolutely correct to say that there is a policy of investigating gaming technologies to be used in military systems. That's why we go to E3, to the annual Game Developers Conference, to the Serious Games Summit, and to the games showcase. And that's where we first saw the VWorldTerrain technology, which is now under consideration."

    So what?

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    Originally posted by _Pix_


     
    Originally posted by CognetoJoe

    Originally posted by _Pix_  
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     It is quite self-evident that by typing the name of a technology (spelled VWorldTerrain, BTW) on one of the general website of the French Chamber of Commerce you won't find any matches for your request.

    But I can of course help you in your investigation. First of all, you should know that French companies are referenced electronically (and therefore available for searches on the Internet) either on public organizations websites (e.g.Infogreffe) or private companies websites (e.g. Societe.com). Here are a few examples: 

    on Infogreffe : http://www.infogreffe.fr/infogreffe/jsp/recherche/resultatRechSimple.jsp : CPUSoftware

    [EDIT]: does not work properly since it does not show the result. So please follow the instructions:

    1- select "plus de criteres"

    2- select "aux entreprises radiees"

    3- enter CPU Software

    4- select "RECHERCHER"

    You will find that CPUSoftware was founded in 1997 and closed in 2003. VWORLD is the successor of CPUSofware.

    [/EDIT]

    on société.com : http://www.societe.com/cgi-bin/liste?nom=vworld&dirig=&pre=&ape=&dep=&bout_rechercher2.x=21&bout_rechercher2.y=3 : VWORLD

    You can even check trademarks, if you want.

    Look, do it yourself here: http://www.icimarques.com/

    type VWORLD and see the result.

    And of course, don't forget to click on the yellow link "WorldwideCopyright.com" you can find here: http://www.vworldterrain.com/

     



    Umm, what was the point of checking with the chamber of commerce in the first place and posting an empty response from the query  in this thread?  It is good to know that _Pix_ could show the poster the correct way to do so but I dont understand the posters intent on doing it in the first place..... Gawd _Pix_, LOL I feel for ya man 

  • BadTBadT Member Posts: 84
    Originally posted by Cholayna

    Originally posted by CognetoJoe


     
    Originally posted by BadT


    just found this, proves interesting :
    Vuuar (FARLAN/NCP) seems to truly suffer from recurrent memory leaks when it comes to certain matters.
    See what he posted on March 6 2003:
     
    http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?p=13249#post13249
    I'll translate for you:
     
    Hello everybody,
    Vuuar is still present and reads the many posts whenever he catches the time... Don't get discouraged, the engine runs fine and the feeling of immersion you get is TERRIFIC. We still got some work to do so that you can enjoy this extraordinary experience and it will be my great pleasure to play with you in DnL... But not on the same side as you 
     
     

    This was 5 days after I accepted to become a salaried employee of NPCube to develop DnL...And see what Vuuar (FARLAN/NPC)is saying now, at the occasion of E3 2006 :http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&id=404&colid=9706


    Stéphane(DnL)- We want to give the players a sandbox in which to create a real world, this has always been our goal but two years ago the technology was just not there to build what we wanted to build and it is now.



    Obviously, the devs were lying to the fans or the devs were lying to the press later on. Guess it depends on which tactic they try to bury this obvious lie.
     

    I'm not sure how those statements are lies ...

     

    First Statement:

    I am completely immersed in the game, they had an engine working on hardware that was not avaible to the  regular consumers , is how I read it.

    It was still in beta -- this was the statement he made to the public regarding how the engine WAS ALREADY RUNNING FINE AND DANDY.

    second statement:

    Finally the hardware is made available to the consumers example: 880GTX's gfx cards and multi processing cpu's are made available which was not available  in 2003 to the regular consumer,  and direct X technologies have advanced as well .

    Errrhhh, WRONG!  The technology incorporated was _pix_'s.  It further shows the flat out lie that was made earlier by Vuuar regarding the working engine.

    Isn't it weird how people read statements differently. Playing the game right now, I am having a hard time that believing Pix had nothing to do with creating Dark and Light, and have a hard time beleiving the , with no patches or updates in 2007, is running this well.

    And many people have a hard time believing the game is as good as you say as by the many comments in the recent news discussion forum regarding this game. Many who have taken the bait arent finding the joy and bliss you yourself claim to be experiencing.  One of the recent posters here, who is still active in the game, contradicts your claims. So yeh, it is weird how people read different things. This however is not the topic.

    Something just doesn't jell for me on this whole topic and I will wait eagerly for the courts judgement, which may lean to Pix just for the fact that Pix is going to sell the Licensing to Militaries, and not gaming.

    And if he does? Its HIS to do as he pleases. If you wish now to antagonize and imply any other idea, then I suggest you mark your words carefully.

     

    Thanx Cho  Didnt really wish to explain something that most would consider plain as day.  I am still in the game itself on occasion, just to see how its going. I dont think much has been done in the last 6 months alone towards making this any more appealing to any new players ( I have seen new people there and the next week they are gone). I just have to wonder if this "game" was really intended as such. I mean where else can you make a ton of money fast and continuing than in a mmo? But to also locate this company in an off-shore area......odd, just ....odd. Just a thought rambling around in my head. Would explain however some of the actions of the developers of this game but why no further progress after the many promises and continued hype?

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Originally posted by Cholayna




    Umm, what was the point of checking with the chamber of commerce in the first place and posting an empty response from the query  in this thread?  It is good to know that _Pix_ could show the poster the correct way to do so but I dont understand the posters intent on doing it in the first place..... Gawd _Pix_, LOL I feel for ya man 
    I don't know what this particular poster is trying to tell the world. VWORLD is a legitimate company. There are no secrets about it, its accounts are published too, just like any decent company does, since normally it's compulsory for all limited liability companies in France (SARL in French)to do so.  BTW it is not the case for NPCube SARL which is an outlaw company already by the simple fact it never published any accounts.  Let's play a game:

    VWORLD SARL : http://www.societe.com/societe/vworld-453448052r.html : no warning on this company

    NPCube/NP3 SARL : http://www.societe.com/societe/np3-443532379r.html : ...

    And you know what  is most funny: Cesar Jacquet: picked up his phone as early as end 2004 to gently "enlighten" one of VWORLD's potential partner about the fact that VWORLD was "not a legitimate company". Oh what's the expression ... you know:

    Seeing the mote in one's brother's eye but not the beam in one's own.

    So mote it be. 

     

     

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Originally posted by _Pix_


     
    Originally posted by Cholayna




    Umm, what was the point of checking with the chamber of commerce in the first place and posting an empty response from the query  in this thread?  It is good to know that _Pix_ could show the poster the correct way to do so but I dont understand the posters intent on doing it in the first place..... Gawd _Pix_, LOL I feel for ya man 
    I don't know what this particular poster is trying to tell the world. VWORLD is a legitimate company. There are no secrets about it, its accounts are published too, just like any decent company does, since normally it's compulsory for all limited liability companies in France (SARL in French)to do so.  BTW it is not the case for NPCube SARL which is an outlaw company already by the simple fact it never published any accounts.  Let's play a game:

     

    VWORLD SARL : http://www.societe.com/societe/vworld-453448052r.html : no warning on this company

    NPCube/NP3 SARL : http://www.societe.com/societe/np3-443532379r.html : ...

    And you know what  is most funny: Cesar Jacquet: picked up his phone as early as end 2004 to gently "enlighten" one of VWORLD's potential partner about the fact that VWORLD was "not a legitimate company". Oh what's the expression ... you know:

    Seeing the mote in one's brother's eye but not the beam in one's own.

    So mote it be. 

     

     

    Soooo this means that you have done what you are supposed to and are a legit company but Farceland tries to claim otherwise, the whole while they havent done what they are supposed to? Explain in english please _Pix_ :P  

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    This is VERRRYYY interesting indeed:

    *edited to conform to topic only**

    on Stratics.com, in May 2004:

     http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/e3/content/features/dl/2004.php:

    We were greeted by Laurent Paret who lead custom through the first share of our turn in the Dark and Light world. One of the first things you note is the wonderful ground rendering technology called VWorld. With the infinate view distance, the combination of Strong Micro ? S BigWorld engine and the VWorld ground rendering technology make for has beautiful sight and game playing experiment. The 15,000 public garden miles of prospectable Land to explores was made with actual satellite photographs taken of the earth. Thesis photographs were tweaked and made to made together to form shares of the world. The shares of the realm are consist and exist ace has whole. Dark and Light does not require “zoning” because of the technology that the game is using.

     

    But now, it was only developed while he was employed by them? How then can it be under another company's name and that said company owners' name is Vincent Pourieux? 

    BWHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA     GAWD!!! THEY LIE!!!!

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Originally posted by Cholayna


     
     
    Soooo this means that you have done what you are supposed to and are a legit company but Farceland tries to claim otherwise, the whole while they havent done what they are supposed to? Explain in english please _Pix_ :P  
    Correct, except  I was speaking about NPCube and not Farlan (which is off-shore Mauritian, so I suppose it's legal not to disclose any statement of accounts in that case). NPCube should have stated their accounts publicly, like any LLC company would have normally had to.

    It's none of my personal business that NPCube 's CEO did not comply with the law but still it's quite unbelievable that he felt entitled to say VWORLD was not a legitimate company, while you're correct, he chose not to comply with this obligation for his own company. Remember what they said , that vWORLD was formed after I quit NPCube ( which is totally false)? Well they have invented something here! The Incredible Distorting Time Machine. 

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

     

    Originally posted by Cholayna


    This is VERRRYYY interesting indeed:
    *edited to conform to topic only**
    on Stratics.com, in May 2004:
     http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/e3/content/features/dl/2004.php:
    We were greeted by Laurent Paret who lead custom through the first share of our turn in the Dark and Light world. One of the first things you note is the wonderful ground rendering technology called VWorld. With the infinate view distance, the combination of Strong Micro ? S BigWorld engine and the VWorld ground rendering technology make for has beautiful sight and game playing experiment. The 15,000 public garden miles of prospectable Land to explores was made with actual satellite photographs taken of the earth. Thesis photographs were tweaked and made to made together to form shares of the world. The shares of the realm are consist and exist ace has whole. Dark and Light does not require “zoning” because of the technology that the game is using.
     
    But now, it was only developed while he was employed by them? How then can it be under another company's name and that said company owners' name is Vincent Pourieux? 
    BWHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA     GAWD!!! THEY LIE!!!!

     

    Yeah, it's all repeating over and over the same thing : they communicated upon VWorld(Terrain). Then they stopped. And then they said I was an employee at NPCube to develop an engine (Mafate) and that everything in that engine belonged to them. And they said they re-wrote a new Mafate engine. And then they sold the whole idea the Chinese. But still the magical engine was noy working properly. So they said I had been sabotaging their code (but they did not realize so far? gosh!). They even went before a Judge and said there were spies employees at NPCube secretly giving out confidential data to VWORLD. But sadly the Judge so far didn't buy this interesting explanation.      

    Re-the above Stratics article, what I find rather strange is that the journalist wrote BigWorld engine whereas the name NPCube gave the engine was Mafate, not BigWorld... BigWorld is only the  server technology used in DnL. Nothing to do with the graphical/client engine (Mafate) which we developed at NPCube and which itself uses third party technology I wrote ages before on my company CPUSoftware for the terrain and meteo,etc part . Seems quite odd to me all this mixing up between what BigWorld does in Mafate (server only) and what VWorld does in Mafate(terrain and more).  What is more surprising is that apparently BigWorld's devs have been discussing all this with Farlan/NPCube behind my back and have apparently nicely declared that "the" technology used  in DnL was ... guess which ? BigWorld. 

    Well, that's how I read it, but I may be wrong...:

    Quote:
    the engine behind the MMORPG in the making called Dark & Light uses technology from this: http://www.vworldpowered.com/

    Quite funny that this company says DnL is using their technology, when in fact they are using the BigWorld tech. (I spent many days and nights talking with two of the BigWorld devs, working on a business deal.) Unfortunately, DnL was a horrible failure, the world was so large (yet beautiful) that it seemed empty. Procedural content is great, as long as there is enough of it to keep the world "alive".

    DS

     source: http://www.truevision3d.com/forums/old_forums/old_topic-t8422.0.html (from the mouth of  TrueVision3D Project Manager...)

    Oh BTW can anybody tell me if there is anything PROCEDURAL in BigWorld server (or even client) ?? LOL

    So now can anybody explain to me why BigWorld recently removed the Dark and Light screenshots on their website along with Farlan's CEO Testimonial on the western version of the site but NOT the Chinese one? Frankly I don't doubt there a big explanation for all this revisionism... (last chapter on www.pourieux.com )  

                

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Welp, you know what they say: Cant dazzle them with brilliance , baffle them with...

    Seems odd too how alot of sites who previously slated DNL screenshots and such on their sites have since taken them down. Cant find reference to Farlan Ent. or NPC anywhere on the same site you could last year.

    Even the so-called Big World -- (which honestly, WHAT games have they honestly been used for and actually had a working ongoing game work in?) took their references and screenshots down.....

    curiouser and curiouser......

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    LMAO just read where Farlan is using a picture of the black riders in LOTR in their main page? LOL hmmm, wonder if that is not a copyright issue in and of itself also! Using pictures from one game to help in advertising another game? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

    These guys just dont quit!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAa

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Finnigan (Agh50 here at these boards) brought up an interesting thought:

    Is the game now F2P simply due to the court action against them? Will it be fee-based after this is over ? Seems one way to avoid a legal entanglement......if in fact the issue was money-related.....

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276
    Originally posted by Cholayna


    Finnigan (Agh50 here at these boards) brought up an interesting thought:
    Is the game now F2P simply due to the court action against them? Will it be fee-based after this is over ? Seems one way to avoid a legal entanglement......if in fact the issue was money-related.....

     

    Interesting analysis from agh50, but IMHO not the good one. NPCube/Farlan will have to account for their deeds in Court, free game or not.


    Oh, and BTW, today was suppposed to be first day of audience in the VWORLD vs NPCube/Farlan case. NPCube/Farlan's laywers did not even come to this audience. The audience is then postponed to end of October.


     

    An account in English is now available on pourieux.com (http://www.pourieux.com/DnLHistoryEn.htm), presenting a lot of facts and links/documents. I think this can help to have a clearer picture of what NPCube/ Farlan and al did and still do.
  • ZorbaneZorbane Member UncommonPosts: 529

    Originally posted by _Pix_




    Oh, and BTW, today was suppposed to be first day of audience in the VWORLD vs NPCube/Farlan case. NPCube/Farlan's laywers did not even come to this audience. The audience is then postponed to end of October.

     

    lol?

    And if they don't show up in October?

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Well, if they don't show up in October, I guess it would just confirm these people just don't obey to the same rules as we do, which is quite a problem I guess in a democratic country.  Future will tell.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    Originally posted by _Pix_


    Well, if they don't show up in October, I guess it would just confirm these people just don't obey to the same rules as we do, which is quite a problem I guess in a democratic country.  Future will tell.



    Not surprising at all. Their own attorneys must be making a mint off them. Postponement wont hamper the outcome at all and until this is done, everything Farlan touches with this will be stained too. LMAO. Even if you arent around to do it _Pix_,  your heirs can continue in your estate...sooooo let them delay till the cows come home, it wont make anything change., well, except for their own attorneys pocketbook :) 

    Point is, the delay is not an unexpected action on the part of Farlan and is actually the one constant in their entire ethics....Delay n Lie.

    classic form Farlan!! WOOT!

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Sure, this delay is not a surprise. What is very new this time though is that their own attorneys didn't even show up and meet the Judge: I simply did not envisage that it was ethically possible for an attorney not to appear ; But maybe I'm too old-fashioned and it's the latest fashion not to present any defence when you are required too.

    The funniest is that, as we are at two companies sued, there are 2 defenses (3 in fact , since Cesar Jacquet is also sued as a natural person) :  the 3 respective parties representing the Defence chose the same strategy: bury their heads in the sand.      

     

  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    Originally posted by Cholayna


    Welp, you know what they say: Cant dazzle them with brilliance , baffle them with...
    Seems odd too how alot of sites who previously slated DNL screenshots and such on their sites have since taken them down. Cant find reference to Farlan Ent. or NPC anywhere on the same site you could last year.
    Even the so-called Big World -- (which honestly, WHAT games have they honestly been used for and actually had a working ongoing game work in?) took their references and screenshots down.....
    curiouser and curiouser......
    End 2004, VWORLD presented screenshots of  Bionatics vegetation samples integrated into VWorldTerrain. I've found this thread on MMORPG's boards :

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm?load=forums&loadforum=51&loadthread=26331&setstart=1&loadclass=35&fp=1280,1024,2151794171

    What can we read ? hmmm... a famous Australian poster claiming that the huge world of DnL was due to guess who... ? BigWorld of course!

    I quote:

     VWorld generates the World (which looks amazing), but the huge scale we see is possible due to the BigWorld server technology (Developed by an Australian Company).

    BigWorld has nothing to do with the size of DnL world since this is only a VWorld(Terrain) feature. So, why did some peole try so hard and for so long (and are still trying) to make people believe that the big world of DnL is a BigWorld (/Microstrong) asset? Why? To me, things are pretty clear... again disinformation and over hyping will kill the Gaming world.

    Frankly I would truly have this Australian poster now dare come to these boards and give out any valid explanation in public that could account for the fact that he relayed this wrong information so much and posted so many screenshots without ever mentioning VWorldTerrain's role in Dark and Light, knowing that BigWorld has NEVER been responsible of a terrain/world as big as the one of DnL.   

    History cannot be rewritten. 

    An old friend of mine had been telling me a couple of years ago that people who had seen things with their own eyes would remember these things, no matter how many disciples of revisionnism would come by and spread false rumours. Well, he was (intentionnally?)wrong.  People always believe what they want to believe. Or what they are told to believe. 

    FYI next audience is postponed to the 19th of October. No Big Deal.

     

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615

    Seems I was wrong. I apologize, after seeing a demo of another Tech using the vWorld tech.. DnL, every aspect of it, is Vworld re-skind. And badly done at that.

     

    They only thing is, I still don’t think you have a case, as when you join most company’s, any work  you do at the company, is theirs. Even if it is works you yourself created before said company, the moment you used it in the company’s works…it was theirs. Unless you have some special clause in your contract.

     

    Any way, good luck in your case. And I wish you wouldn’t have left the company, seems they could have used you, and it would have been a good game I think. Now its all to shit.

     

    And we will never know why you left, or if you were really pushed out.

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  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276

    You mean you apologize for that kind of outrageous lies you spread?

    Originally Posted by Aratorn

    It is based on Vincent Pourrieux's work. His company is VWorld, and his engine was presented as "the engine in the heart of MAFATE" in mid 2004.



    Pourrieux left NP3 somewhere in August 2004 ( not alone ) and since then, there is quite a littel quarell between NP3 and Pourrieux around this engine Pourrieux has been developping since 1996 ( he is legally the owner of this engine ).

    Your answer, Mrbloodworth:

    Thats not true, well, mabye, but his case was thrown out of cort, He had no grounds for complaint, as he was hired to help create it for NP3, this is very standard. I dont even know why he tried.

     

     

    http://www.darkandlight.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63769&page=2&pp=20&highlight=vworld

    How could you write in June 2006 that my "case" had been dismissed whereas there was no formal action against NPCube on my part at the time ????(lawyers were still in negociations, which negociations finally ended up without having resulted in an amicable settlement on the 29th of August, and therefore I lodge a complaint  against NPCube afterwards, followed by a Court action initiated by VWORLD in 2007, against NPCube AND Farlan AND Cesar Jacquet) Much on the contrary, it was Farlan, since 2005, which had spread rumours that they were attacking me and they never did . And it was NPCube also, which attacked one of its ex-employee in 2005 on the grounds of stealing "proprietary" elements to the benefit of VWORLD, which saw its case dismissed twice. 

    The problem here is not to apologize or not (BTW anymous apologies cannot be taken seriously, don't you think). The problem is the sheer number of people like you which helped Farlan/NPCube spread their lies further, with the obvious aim of ruining the carrier of a real developer , whereas Farlan was playing tricks with the Credit Card of the real players at the same time, but people like you believed all the lies Farlan spread anyway. Which to me is quite comical, pathetic in fact. A good History lesson. 

    I was told I didn't like players. I was told people were hating me. I was even told I should go to jail...

    So do you really believe that someone whose JOB is to make games and is still continuing to do his job because it's what he does best and he likes it , do you really believe that he will be continuing to fight, despite the apparently well organized huge disinformation campaign against him,  if he didn't have a strong case??? Such hugely documented case, with so many proofs that the lawyers of NPCube/Farlan and al. did not even appear to the first hearing?  Because their strategy is apparently to count on time? Delay and delay and delay? Of course delay might be a good strategy to make people forget when you are trying to ship a game: in the end it won't be the same players involved. 

    But I won't forget. VWORLD won't forget. 

    You're saying today you still don't think I have a case.  Let me tell you, in all honesty, that this won't do, because you believed once in all the successive various promises Farlan/NPCube/Alchemic Dream/BigWorld made.

    About why I left , a company I had co-founded, sold my shares, went back to the other side of the World, I truly think you already have sufficient info to peruse, read and comprehend. 

    Would you really have stayed on a narrow, limited  world in which the people backing the project you have so much contributed to just feel entitled to make you understand you'd be better off not claiming for any property on your own know-how? :

    - that we were going to be haunted for the rest of our lives with this failure

    - that Frederic and Dominique will get down to piss everybody off and above all not to get off VWorld's back if we stop 

    (Farlan words reported by another fellow member of NPCube, source .BTW that particular fellow is still there, in good company ...)



    I truly think that now the players also experienced this peculiar way of thinking of Farlan's.

    I believed in this project. I even believed it was possible to have hundreds of thousands of players on the same server (which does not appear to be highlighted so much these days...). I believed I would be considered for offering work to people I had been knowing for a long time. I believed I would be rewarded for offering Dark and Light the possibility of benefiting from VWorld.  I believed it was a good occasion to showcase VWorld in an on-line game.  I believed the people backing the project financially would want to make this project a success, and spend their money in a wise way. 

    I was wrong. And I have no problems admitting it . I appreciate you also admit you were wrong. I would also have appreciated Farlan/NPCube admit they were wrong too, simple and honest.   

     

     

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