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Intel > AMD,... by much these days.
i dont see how.... the intel processors which more for the same speed and they seemed like kinda a rip-off
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YOu don't see how? That is your problem.
ok same speed for cheaper.... i dont care how hot it gets or how much power it uses i have a 1k power supply.... so why go intel? maybe if i wanted the extreme one then i would HAVE to go intel but for this?!
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AMD is coming out with a new cpu some time soon.
But go get a core2duo, or if you can wait, wait until their new cpu is out.
I've always been an nvidia fan, but it really is up to you. Since AMD took over ATI I'll be looking to get one in my new system.
Don't get any quad core cpu's it'll be a waste, gaming isn't really meant for multiple core cpu's so just get a core2duo and you'll be fine.
If you want the best look of graphics, you might as well get the work station nvidia cards, as I hear they have really good looking graphics, as they're made for 3d programs etc. But I hear ATI is good on that part as well.
As for the price, it looks ok. But what I'd do is keep my old system, scrap the parts and just buy a simple case, put the old parts in there and use it as a server and just buy new parts from online stores and build it myself, it works out cheaper that way.
The case is really nice, I also have a cooler master. And they really are cool.
If you want, buy a new fan for your card, that can also increase performance, and you might wanna get a few fans for your case as well.
If your case has a viewing screen, get a few neon lights as well, will really look good
Also, sound blaster sucks. Get a motherboard with in-built sound card. Creative just sucks balls tbh, they have crap support, and after a while it will just break down on you. My card doesn't even recognise 5.1 surround, though it is a 5.1 sound card, all it recognises is 4, and 2.1. They really are P.O.S when it comes to hardware.
Allright...
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2014650,00.asp
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/27/core_2_duo_vs_athlon_64_fx-62/page3.html
Known site ---> http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html
C2d >amd , nuff said
E6300>3800+
E6300>4200+
E600>6500+.
QX6850>all amd.
yup go Intel.
an Intel Q6600 or E6600 (Q for quad E is dual) , both will overclock to 3.6ghz + if you want.
Best chips for the money easily.
+ obviously a socket 775 mobo, Intel P35 mobs are > Nvidia (unless you are going SLI which you aint.)
That graphics card is a bit rubbish, You can probably get a NVIDIA 8800GTS or if you wanna save money (but miss out on DirectX10 goodness) get an ATI X1900 (not X1950) which is last gen top of range.
No point getting that sound card, wont be much better than the audio on the mobo.
RAM is fine, will allow you to hit 3.6ghz if you want.
You might also need a PSU
. Corsair 520Watt is a good en for the money and enough juice for you.
Graphic card is good for it's price. 8800gts is overrated and about equal with listed graphic card even thoe it costs more
Why wouldn't you get a qaud core? I am buying a new pc soon and was going to get a qaud-core just wondering if there is that much of a dif.
also to the OP. If you wanna buy a put together pc chech out Cyberpower. It is a pretty good site that lets you piece together what you want and they will put it together for you with a 3 year warranty.
If you want to put it together yourself everyone tells me to go to Newegg.com Cheaoest prices I have seen so far are on Newegg.
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Calming restless mobs
Easing all of their, all of their fear
Strange times are here.
1. Ditch the amd go intel
2. Go invida and i know which card you are talking about
3. and a new motherboard
4. Ditch the sound card
Do i need liquid cooling if im going to overclock it?
4.
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u got a pretty good deal on the AMD6400 X2 dual core line of AMD CPU's are a good performance chips. I bought my 5600 X2 for $300 around half a year ago, and my cpu is a awesome overclocker. it went from stock 2.8ghz to around 3.02 ghz on air. so for $229 id get that vs a Intel core2duo.
then to be a bit pricier than AMD for the same speed and have less overclocking overhead. as far as heat my chip doesnt heat up much i roll with about 40-43 celius idle to around 50-52 celius on full load I have the ZALMAN 9700 LED copper 120mm heatsink on it. awesome heatsink. so overall u got a good rig. Only gripe i have is the video card ur kinda shortchanging your self. get a 2900 XT by ATI or a 8800 GTS 640mb for around $350+/- they are roughly the same speed/performance range they have a few games they are either faster or slower in by a small margin but over all both are awesome performing cards for their price. i hae the 8800 GTS 640mb by LEadtek and its a killer card. id say in the end its up to you.
but overal you got a good system. and yes the other poster was correct, dont bother on Quad core as youd be wasting your money as no games are really taking advantage of it. A real good Dualcore will do more and then some for any and all your gaming needs.Id say unless ur using a multi core compliant software like Photoshop, Final cut, Maya, or some cpu intensive app that requires such a set up, dont even bother.
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
seems like amd is cheaper and faster.....
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Remember, 1 good video card > 2 crappy video cards in SLI/Crossfire. Don't spend $300 on 2 X1650's, buy 1 Nvidia 8800GTS 320MB, or 1 Sapphire ATI HD2900 Pro 1GB (this one performs best in the $300 price range). You can also get 1 X1950 for about $200 and it will perform better then 2 X1650's.
On the processor side. You would be spending about $500 more on your rig if you go Intel and try to get a processor that can outperform the AMD Athlon 64 Black Edition 6400+. Not only does the processor cost more, but so does the motherboard. Also the AMD product will run at lower power where it counts. Intels processors still cannot run as cool or low power as AMD at Idle speeds. Its only under extreme load where intels have an advantage over AMD. Also the additional power a Core2Duo has isn't really needed on anything unless your in high-processing computing like video creation, or lab work. I am using a 4 year old processor and it wasn't until last year that I couldn't play games on Maximum settings.
I suggest waiting for Phenom, since it will be the obvious upgrade path for your CPU if you decide to go AMD. New board that should run the processor better and smoother, and a price drop in other parts.
Crysis, Sup commander, most UT3 engine games, now HL2 games also... all supporting multicore.
They are only £150 here in the UK for a Q6600 and we always get ripped off. But an E660 will be amost as good but in a years tiem you might regret it, depends how often you upgrade.
1. Ditch the amd go intel
if you want a nice price/performance ratio AMD is the way to go, although Intel slightly edges AMD in performance with dualcores as for now, but you pay a bit more also so id say if you want to pay a bit extra for that wee bit of performance overhead, Intel is your bet.
2. Go invida and i know which card you are talking about
nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb (for price/performance ~$350) is your best bet x1650pro sucks
3. and a new motherboard
4. Ditch the sound card
you could go for a motherboard based Soundcard but so far there arent truly any real performance hitters in that area as of now or anytime soon. youll want to get a dedicated sound card, i got the xfi extreme gamer and i havent had any issues with it, as the sound it produces is short of amazing, can switch to gaming mode, entertainment(movies)mode, and audio(music) mode
hell yeah ditch the
Do i need liquid cooling if im going to overclock it?
depends on how much you want to overclock?? I can overclock roughly 200 mhz on my 5600X2 2.8ghz to 3.02 ghz and still be stable. at 3.08 it starts crashing on me if you bought the 6400 X2 and want to get a decent stable overclock over 200 mhz into the 400-500+mhz range yeah liquid cooling is the way to go. no way around it. u can get a decent liquid cooling kit for about $150-250 on average.
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3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
Please lets not turn this into an Intel Vs AMD debate, everyone knows intel are winning at the mo. And I am a hardcore AMD guy.
Clockspeed aint the end of it. Intels do more per clock. AMDs are still priced competatively compared to their Intel rivals but with just one change in the Bios you can nearly always clock from 2.6 to 3.6ghz +. AMDs have only just gone 65nm and are an older architecture. Intel are going 45nm soon with Penryn, Damn AMD need to hurry up with that Phenom is all I can say.
To the OP. To Overclock you just change the FSB from 200 or 333 up to 400 and bam 400 x 9 = 3.6ghz. just spend $30 on a slightly better Heatsynch/fan, watercooling not need.
Although my E2140 which was 1.6ghz is running at 2.8 on the stock cooler. Which is worse than the coolers on the Q6600 and E6600 that would would be getting.
9 times out of 10 the RAM will be fine also and if not the mobo will automatically set it on a divider (runs it slightly slower).
Intel owns the benchmarks with the comparable AMD chips. Do your research on the benchmarks you will find out. I used to be a hardcore AMD fan myself because they where cheaper processors and I was cheap. Now I realized I would have cheated myself if I went with AMD. I'd say go with E6600/Q6600 very very good chips! Looks at reviews! Intel chips OC very nicely! I am not saying I totally dislike AMD I still do like them but I prefer a Intel for gaming with currently technology. AMD, might be able to come out with something nice soon.
You are going to end up with an overpriced piece of shit if you listen to the advice of the people in this thread.
Do your research.. real research, use review sites such as http://www.tomshardware.com/us/.
Know that..
1. You dont need crossfire or sli if you dont game in resolutions higher then 1600x1200, and even then you dont really need them.
2. you dont need more then 2gb of ram, unless your using vista, then you dont need to go over 4gb of ram.
3. Most next gen cards need a min of 600wt, 850wt if you insist on crossfire/sli
4. Nvidia 8800, and HD2900 are atis beta cards, and when dx10.1 cards hit the shelves these 2 cards willl nose dive in price, not only that, what ever replaces them will take over as the new piece of overpriced nextgen goodness. While both cards are good, they arent worth buying just yet, as DX10 has its own set of problems, and by the time they are worth buying they will be much cheaper.
5.core 2 duo > amd anything. period. Nothing more too it, amd is not keeping up with intel, and duo core and core 2 duo are not on par.
6. quad core is not nessessary at all if you have core 2 duo. Its barely an improvement, especailly when it comes to gaming... games are just being optimized for core 2 duo, it will be a while before they are optimized for quad core. The only people who suggest quad core, are the people who shop via alienware and other overpriced, overzealous computer companies trying to make a buck, again read review sites decide for yourself.
7. If your going to mess with overclocking, then compensate your cpu.. the more cooling you have, the less you have to dish out on a cpu.
Know that 2.4ghz (e6600, q6600) can both be overclocked to 3.ghz with air cooling, 3.4ghz with liquid cooling and both are 600-800 cheaper then the duo, quad that sell clocked stock at those prices.
8. and finally.. your case is overpriced bullshit.
good air cooling case:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21922&vpn=VA8004BWS&manufacture=THERMALTAKE
If you must, must have liquid cooling:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19887&vpn=VD4000BWS&manufacture=THERMALTAKE
9. real gamers use CRT monitors.
10. Nvida and ATI arent friendly.. nether are their motherboards, make sure you keep that inmind when you haphazardly change video cards.
11. Only a moron would recommend onboard sound over a good eax4 or higher sound card for gaming, trust me there is a huge difference, especially if your gaming with surround sound.
In all honesty.. most people who dont know about computers enough to put one together without advice, should NOT BE FUCKING WITH OVERCLOCKING.... hence you dont need water cooling.. but thats just my personal opinion on the subject.
Anyway... good luck with your comp.
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I came with 1k power supply.. so let me get this right..1. Ditch the amd go intel
if you want a nice price/performance ratio AMD is the way to go, although Intel slightly edges AMD in performance with dualcores as for now, but you pay a bit more also so id say if you want to pay a bit extra for that wee bit of performance overhead, Intel is your bet.
2. Go invida and i know which card you are talking about
nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb (for price/performance ~$350) is your best bet x1650pro sucks
3. and a new motherboard
4. Ditch the sound card
you could go for a motherboard based Soundcard but so far there arent truly any real performance hitters in that area as of now or anytime soon. youll want to get a dedicated sound card, i got the xfi extreme gamer and i havent had any issues with it, as the sound it produces is short of amazing, can switch to gaming mode, entertainment(movies)mode, and audio(music) mode
hell yeah ditch the
Do i need liquid cooling if im going to overclock it?
depends on how much you want to overclock?? I can overclock roughly 200 mhz on my 5600X2 2.8ghz to 3.02 ghz and still be stable. at 3.08 it starts crashing on me if you bought the 6400 X2 and want to get a decent stable overclock over 200 mhz into the 400-500+mhz range yeah liquid cooling is the way to go. no way around it. u can get a decent liquid cooling kit for about $150-250 on average.
4.
1. Intel at present is far superior to AMD regardless of what fanboi's say. Do the research for yourself look at tomshardware and couple other OC sites they will attest to this. I'm a fan of performance regardless of who makes it. Performance at present is all in favor of Intel (quad core isn't fully supported atm but with the variation in price from the Q6600 compared to the dual cores its worth the extra few bux). Btw I'm not a fan of either company tradtionally as I've compared both brand processors and can say without a doubt currently the intel series are much better and faster then AMD. Heat wise if you're that concerned then get an intel moble style cpu as they have the lowest power consumption available. AMD has a new CPU coming out eventually but when?
2. If you have to chose vid base it on the system setup. ATI is nice and has some good features but, by far NV has the fastest GPU on the market. I've got 8800 GTS 640x2 on my box and I've yet to find a game that I can't run at 16x12 max with 16x AA and 8xAF at a smooth speed (over 60fps). If you go AMD ATI maybe better suited for you as ATI/AMD marriage means compatibility will be better. Performance wise NV is the way to go and with the NV utilities you can OC the card right out of the box stably and not worry as mine is bout 15-20% OC on both cards and its perfectly stable in all apps/games. Again Research hardware sites and they will agree with me as well. And unlike several "techies" I've been at this game since Umm 90 ish so yea I've got several years exp in this and I've dealt with all the hardware you're looking at first hand as I build boxes on a daily bases and yes I do burnins and bench systems with different configs. Oddly enough an intel 6850 is the fastest processor out not the QX ( this is due to thread processes that are not currently handled in most software properly which only takes advantage of dual cores not quad EVEN AMD 2x4 systems). SLI is nice but, I really don't notice a variation in performance from 1 or 2 NV8800 cards on my system. *running a 6600 OC'd to 3.4ghz* WOW from 2.8 to 3.02 you mad man.. O wait mine is stock at what 2.3-2.4 and I've got it with air cooling near 1.0GHZ OC stable. O yea AMD is so much better... /shudder.
3. MB depends. If you go intel which i recommend get the 680i chipset Asus preferably but MSI Abit and a few others have admirable track records and stability. For the preformance side Asus has the most tools toys and tweaks available. I went with EVGA due to price vs options and I'm very happy with the perfomance with it and its very user friendly and easily overclockable. For AMD its hard to say ASUS would be your best bet but MSI and EVGA have good boards too. ABit has some issues from my exp with AMD chips so its a crap shoot on them. Either way make sure you have a chipset fan / heatsink on any new board you get it will save you a headache in the long run and with all 680 series they come standard with sink/fan combo. Also unless you're just aching to have 7 speakers blaring stick with stock sound system. it has 5.1 or better and less issues with board when running it. Its a choice thing on sound cards. I love SB and have been a fan for a long time but with new advances in on board audio they are largely obsolete now unless you HAVE to have that neat gadget they include.
4. Liquid cooling. That is a hard one to really answer. Liquid cooling is far superior to standard air cooling but you add the chance of complete system meltdown with a failed pump / fan or god forbid a leak. Also the liquid requires much much more maintenance and generally unless you're a seasoned tech not worth the risk vs the performance you gain. ( I've seen a QX6800 at 5ghz with liquid/vapor system) its always good to be able to maintain your system configuration and unless you install the liquid system yourself you are likely not to completely understand how it is configured. As for the supply the only reason you would need over 600 watts is if you intend to run quad core and SLI or multiple high cap hdd's. I've got 750 on mine with 2 8800 GTS cards the 640mg version and its fine with 2 500 GBhdd's and 2 250GBhdds as well as 2 burners and a front console panel for temp and fan control and mine has about 150 - 200 watt load left under idle at full pwr its still around 100 under wattage ( wattage = heat not how much power it makes, but its a direct reflection to how much power can be created. Higher wattage = more power can be run through the system without failure also pay attention to effiency under 75% you're wasting money and power over 85% and you're paying way to much for the supply. (effiency = watt per amp conversion i.e. each watt produced is producing 85% of optimal power from the supply 100% being perfect which is only achieved or nearly achieved at like 200-500 below zero centigrade so unless you've got liquid helium handy ain't gonna happen)
5. Memory is a toss up. higher speed memory = higher speed overclocking stability. If you're going for duration go with 1000mhz or higher you pay more but over the long haul will last longer. Get at least 2 gigs preferably 4 gigs over 4 gigs right now isn't very efficient as not many things will use the extra even windows has issues. Above all do it right get a descent memory brand with heatsink corsair, muskin, OCZ kingston etc heatsinks may seem trivial on ram at times but, think about it this way your system is closed in a box heat is pumped out via a series of fans which means the temp inside is always going to be high and under load rise even more the more surface area you have for heat dissapation the safer it will be. Also put several additional fans on the system if you plan to OC or have it in a confined area make sure you watch the air flow. In through the front out through the back always. The case is another issue as new cases have enclosed PSU areas now which are nice but don't get the ones with PSU at the bottom. Many may tell you its better etc blah blah blah but, physics dictates that heat rises so what generates the most heat? The PSU Enclosed PSU is great don't get me wrong but you want it at the top of the case so that it radiates the heat out the top of the case and out the back not up into the rest of the system components. If possible get a cable managed PSU as well so if you don't need the extra cables you can remove them. More wires = more clutter and poor airflow fewer wires and neatly bundled wires = higher air flow less clutter. I mean when was the last time you opened a car hood and saw 400 tiny wires running all over the place? They are all bundled into groups depending on where they go. Its also a good idea to get a fan control and temp sensor panel for the front of the system that way you can keep a pseudo eye on the system temp, even tho most system boards have a monitor builtin to the unit its always good to have a backup.
All and all it is up to you to make the decision on what is best suited for you. I've built every computer I've had since I was 17 and have yet to make a bad box and many of my machines from 3 years ago are stable and running perfectly now. If you take my advice great if not great I'm not building it so if it breaks its not my problem, but beware buying mail order as who will fix it even under warranty? I've worked for Dell and you REALLY don't wanna know how ignorant the techs they employ are as I was in charge of around 40 phone tech who could barely wipe there rear's with both hands and a map let alone fix a complex computer hardware/software issue. If you need more info ask me or look at the OC sites on the web toms hardware being one of the best as they do what I do they tinker with things to see just how much you can push them before the go boom..
HM
I'm going to keep my answer simple and just add a quick side note...
The Machine doesn't seem worth $1,700.
Now I'm not sure where your computer knowledge level is at, but you could build that machine yourself cheaper. Now if you're not really interested in spending the time researching and buying the parts separately or don't know how and don't have interest in doing so, then I say it's ok. But I built a better machine for for a little less.
That build is weak
First off, ditch the 2 video cards, just buy an 8800 GTS. Even if you buy the 640 MB one it will be cheaper due to less power consumption of1 card.
Get an Intel Core 2 Duo, Speed is important but not that important. The Core 2 Duos have bigger(4MB) L2 Caches which mean you have memory accesses that are 10x faster than other memories.
1000 power supply? that is a waste. Get a 600 one maybe, unless you are gonna run 2 8800s which is a waste since 1 8800 can run anything atm.
also that RAM is weak, get crucial ballistix
btw if you really want high speeds, get a good mobo and water cooling(200 or so for a decent setup), OC a core 2 duo to 4+ ghz
Yes, this is great advice... take what little knowledge you have and overclock a cpu to 4ghz...
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You should definately wait- DDR3 and Quad Cores are coming out soon
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Yes, this is great advice... take what little knowledge you have and overclock a cpu to 4ghz...
he seemed to be obsessed with high clock speeds.
btw DDr3 is out its just not worth it
Telling anyone to go out and pay the extra cost for performance ram is completely fucking retarded. Maybe you should do some research and look at real world results and not synthetic benchmarks to learn what a rip off it truly is.