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Hello. I'm new to the forum, but I've been playing MMORPGs for about 7 years. I basically started when UO first came out. I know there aren't any actual console MMORPGs out right now, with the exception of Final Fantasy XI. However, eventually it's going to happen. Seeing True Fantasy cut sucked pretty bad. I was desperately looking forward to a console MMORPG. That's off topic though. What I want to know is this:
What would be the enthusiasm or desire to see a true console based MMORPG?
How much would you pay for a console MMORPG?
What would you expect to be different from a console MMORPG and a PC MMORPG?
I'm new to this message board, but I checked this forum to see if there was anyone who had asked a similar question, and I couldn't find anything like it. Please don't flame me if I didn't look hard enough, or if I've inadvertantly asked something I shouldn't have.
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First off this post has got to be the most ignorant post I have read on this topic in a long while.
Let me address your points:
1) You DO NOT need a keyborad for MMORPG's.....HEADSETS my friend headsets.
2) Consoles ARE set up for internet play...if you have a consloe look on the back of it and you will see what I mean.
3) Consoles DO NOT have a shaky history for multiplayer suopport...ie FFXI...Castle Wolfenstein...and most new console fps's will all have multiplayer support....and there are going to be several MMORPG' made for the NEXTGEN consoles.
4) You say that console connectivity is unreliable...NOT TRUE. I have been on XBOX live for about 4 months now, and I have yet to have any significant issues
5) There are console games out there with more than one CD my friend
Xaldor
First off this post has got to be the most ignorant post I have read on this topic in a long while.
Let me address your points:
1) You DO NOT need a keyborad for MMORPG's.....HEADSETS my friend headsets.
2) Consoles ARE set up for internet play...if you have a coinsloe look on the back of it and you will see what I mean.
3) Consoles DO NOT have a shaky history for multiplayer suopport...ie FFXI...Castle Wolfenstein...and most new console fps's will all have multiplayer support....and there are going to be several MMORPG'sade for the NEXTGEN consoles.
4) You say that console connectivity is unreliable...NOT TRUE. I have been on XBOX live for about 4 months now, and I have yet to have any significant issues
5) There are console games out there with more than one CD my friend
Xaldor
Hmm i dunno on my ps2 tho it was pritty unstable , get disconnected alot
It's true that it's far easier to do a MMORPG on a computer, but eventually consoles will reach the point where a MMORPG can be done on them.
True Fantasy Live Online and Final Fantasy XI are both good examples. True Fantasy wasn't cut because it couldn't work, it was just a combination of Level 5 and Microsoft not wanting to continue with it due to cost and delay. However, FFXI was designed for use with the PS2. It's my understanding (and if I'm wrong, please correct me) that the game wasn't even offered as a PC release in Japan. Either way, FFXI is doing well on the PS2, and it was a first attempt at a console MMORPG. That is, if you don't count the Everquest spin offs that hit the PS2. Which I might add, is still up and running, and while I haven't played it, I'm assured it fits the requirements of a MMORPG.
As for the massive part, the technology for consoles will eventually be to the point where the games can be just as large. You say that these games can span numerous cds on a PC, but looking around on the net I see that quite a few recent MMORPGs require no cd. I can download and demo both Ragnarok and Asheron's Call 2 without even getting a disc. And the patching/updating issue isn't even really an issue. I'm quite sure the PS2 Final Fantasy players receive all the same updates and patches that the players who use a PC get. X-Box live regularly offers content for their users, and often it's free. I'd also like for you to point out to me a MMORPG that requires over 8 gig of free space, because that's what my X-Box has.
To answer the point you made about split screen tvs, I really don't get it. Split screen is fine for playing with friends, but to be honest, I haven't really done that since the N64 days and Bond. To follow that up, I don't know what connection you've used or seen used with current consoles and their internet capabilities, but you must have had a pretty awful connection. I have x-box live and only once have I suffered lag issues. I've been using it for about 7 months now with a variety of games, and all have been consistently better than anything I get with my computer.
The point you make about role-playing is almost as mislead as the point about console connectivity and lag issues. Even the PS2 allows you to plug any USB keyboard into it. X-Box goes the next step and offers voice chat. If voice chat isn't expressing yourself in your own words, could you please explain what is? I've played quite a few MMORPGs and quite a few x-box live games, and I'll be the first to tell you, the x-box live people are far more expressive of their feelings in a game.
Consoles will be seeing MMORPGs. As it stands now, Vanguard will most likely hit the Xenon (X-Box 2 or whatever you want to call it) as it's been promised to hit all XNA platforms, which the second X-Box is already assured to be. All the material developed by Level 5 for True Fantasy Live has been assured to be used in a future game, according to an official Microsoft release.
The point is, console MMORPGs already happened. They fit the MMORPG criteria, and they're successful. Why the elitist PC crap? Consoles aren't only good for fighting games and racing games. I strongly dislike both genres, but I'll buy another console long before I upgrade my computer. A console MMORPG, however would be able to offer more things than a PC version. With a controller it would be easy to incorporate a far more innovative and deep combat and magic system. With voice chat already supported, it eliminates the need for a keyboard. It would also make the game far more accessible to people. A new console will always be cheaper than a new computer, and upgrades are rarely as necessary as it is with computers. Especially if you're a PC gamer who wants to keep his machine at peak performance with current technology. By putting a MMORPG on a console, a player won't have to worry about constant computer upgrades. Furthermore, the way X-Box live operates, distributing expansions is far easier that just releasing another CD.
I appreciate your input, I'm just afraid I don't see where it's really backed up by anything other than what's an obvious bias towards console gamers. Oh, and thanks for explaining what MMORPG meant in the beginning. I wasn't too sure, what with being on MMORPG.com.
I have no interest in console mmrpgs. I have played phantasy star online and experienced how dumbeddown mmrpgs have to be to be compatible with an eight button (or whatever) controller. Sure it can be done, and the game can be fun, but given the choice ill always chose the PC first as you can create far more detailed and involved games.
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A game is a game whether it be PC or Console a significant MMORPG could be made on both....
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If you wait to do something until the last minute, your more efficient since it will only take 1 minute.
and you can use any console controller with your pc if you get the correct adapter socket...
Thanks Metalfoxus for mentioning Phantasy Star. I had forgotten about that.
I forgot to mention when I first put this up, that supposedly "Vanguard: Saga of Heros" will allow players to use an X-Box controller on their PC to play this game. It's part of that XNA cross-over craziness.
And Rant, why attack Xaldor instead of replying to my post? I thought you didn't want a flame war...but you called him a "touchy dumbfuck". Then you implied that everyone on the board was an obese slob with woman issues. That's hardly fair. Hell, I live with my girlfriend. I weigh about 125 pounds. Normal features, couple of piercings. I actually do quite well at parties. You know, those things that we aren't supposed to be allowed to go to because we talk about games on the....internet....
Furthermore, you still didn't really address any of the points I mentioned at all. 1% of all console gamers have headsets? That's your guess? What the hell? I'll reiterate what I said in the post of mine that you glossed over for a chance to use fun obscenities on Xaldor with. I've played X-Box for some time now. And the year subscription comes with a headset. My roommate plays a lot of counter-strike on PC. He assures me a headset is crucial. Typing is all fine and good, and hell I enjoy it. But voice chat is superior in....let me check...yeah, every way imaginable. I can talk and perform that fun special move on the mob I'm fighting. Or talk and craft. Or talk and sell things. No annoying "/random command". No having to hit "enter" before I type something for fear of accidently auto-attacking an NPC that would outright own me (I'm sure enough of you have done that before. Think back to when you just got off UO and started playing Everquest. You just wanted to ask a question, but the fighter trainer doesn't give a rat's ass).
Anyway, point is Rent, you've yet to make any. You've said that no one owns headsets, when that's just straight up shit. On top of that, all I asked was what kind of hype you'd have or expect to see from a console based MMORPG and what could be different. What you did is present a bunch of half-thought-out ideas about how it can't work, despite the fact that it has in the past, a lot of times. A console MMORPG can be massive, it can be online without split screen TVs (I'm still way lost on that one), it can have patches and updates and new content because it's on the internet. Bottom line, if console MMORPGs aren't your bag, that's cool. That's your thing, but don't tell me why it can't work and come up with a bunch of reasons everyone would have believed ten years ago.
Please reply to this instead of finding something someone else said and trying to push the attention on to your "superior" sarcasm skillz.
Also, if you want to flame me for "daring" to have the balls to talk to an "elite member" when I'm just a "newb", I guess go ahead. But if the rest of your posts are on par with what I've seen in this thread alone, I'm not really sure which one of us is the bigger newb. I at least have half a clue what I'm talking about, and can properly read a post.
Umm...No1 here has said anything about eqoa for ps2..alrdy has exp dic out for it to frontiers....i've played that gme for along time castle lightwolf server....yes its a mmorpg...and yes its a everquest game...EverQuest Online Adventures...its not bad either its based 500 years before The first EQ...its not bad at all give it a try....
A console game comes on a DVD. Much larger than most PC games media.
XBox Live is awesome. Nothing shakey about it.
Keyboard, ha, we consolers laugh at your keyboard. Let me stop running while I type HELP... LOL. In XBox Live you can actually CALL for help.
A good console MMORPG could be every bit as god as a PC MMORPG.
Console mmorpg's do not differ from regular ones. You CAN connect a keyboard to it. You CAN connect a dsl or cable line to it. Shit you can even watch it in higher resolution. All in all if you ask me console mmoRPG might be better. Yeah and console mmoRPG's have been around for awhile like metalfoxus mentioned Phantasy Star Online,
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UO - 4 years
AC - 2 years
AC2 - 6 months
DAoC - 1 month
FFXI - 7 months
Diablo2 - 9 months
Shadowbane - Beta tested
Lineage2 - Beta tested
mmoRPG'er since October 1997
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UO - 4 years
AC - 2 years
AC2 - 6 months
DAoC - 1 month
FFXI - 7 months
Diablo2 - 9 months
Shadowbane - Beta Tested
Lineage2 - Beta Tested
Saga of Ryzom - Beta Tested
Risk Your Life - Beta Tested
World of Warcraft - Currently Playing
mmoRPG'er since October 1997
You can already connect an actual PS2 or XBox controller to your PC... What in the world are you talking about?!?!
The thing that makes Consoles great is laying on the couch, connected to my 56" HDTV, listening to the game on my 250 Watt 5.1 Sound System...
And the ease of just putting the disc in...
I've been playing computer games since 1978 or so.
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Hey, let's half-read someone's post and then respond with an insult. That's a great way to encourage community participation. If you disagree, just say you disagree; there's no need to call someone ignorant because they have a different opinion than you. I could point out that you're an overweight, uneducated, lonely piece of shit, but that wouldn't be proper now, would it? (Of course, your response is, "I'm none of those things, jerk!" Okay, if you're in shape, smart, and you're adept with the opposite sex, WHAT ARE YOU DOING DEBATING OVER VIDEO GAMES ON THE INTERNET? Go out and get laid. Listen, you're not fooling anyone here, tubby.)
Console MMORPGs are all the rage, huh? Well, let's take a poll: How many people out there have computers with keyboards and how many of you have console systems with headsets? Here's a shocker, 100% of the people on www.mmorpg.com, arguably the best venue to discuss MMORPGs, have computers with keyboards. I'd venture an educated guess that less than 1% of all console owners have headsets and/or keyboards for them. Why aren't more MMORPGs designed for consoles? Because consoles aren't designed for MMORPGs. It's that simple.
Now, you touchy dumbfuck, next time you disagree, just say it. If you want to start a flame war, do everyone a favor and go somewhere else. We're not interested.
Whoa ...anger management sessions are out there for you man. Sorry if I offended you with the "ignorant" thing, but man sit down...count to ten...hit a pillow...do something for that anger. I know that everyone here owns a PC, because, well to post on this forum you need one. Also I know that you think consoles are for "racing and fighting" games, but times have changed since the SNES. Everyone I know that has a console has a headset by the way. Hell some new games give you one for FREE just for buying the game (SOCOM). Let's just agree to disagree for now, and move on with our lives...wait I'm a fat geek with no life
I read once an SOE inquiry which basicly said that most console users where either not interested extra getting an Internet Sevice Provider (ISP)or its extra costs or hurdles.
According to that same inquiry user with an existing ISPs for an PC are mostly not interested in playing MMORPGs via console.
Also there was an general consensus that "simpl usage" and/or "mobility" was their main focus.
just thought id share that info.
Note: As any inquiry/stastic its only as good as its questions and practicaly worthless with the elicitation specifcations and are far too often taken for gods word in our society.
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Just wanna stick my own comment in here a bit.
Headsets - are good for FPS games etc, but no good for RPG style games.
You do not want that scantily clad female mage talking in a deep voice with a husky german accent. it simply spoils to role playing.
I have played MMORPGs in the past where we get connected via teamspeak or somesuch and suddenly the characters i am playing with stop being elves and become italians. nothing against foreigners but i liked them better when i could think of them as their characters.
Therefore keyboards are a necessary tool for communication.
Yes keyboards can be used on consoles, but consoles attract a completely different audience from PC's. Also i dont want to be sat in the middle of my living room pretending to be an elf in front of the tv, i would much prefer to keep myself to myself somewhere on my pc.
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A decent voice to text system solves this problem. You talk, the console converts it to text and sends it to the other players. Problem solved. Plus, you can choose which players you actually hear their voice. So, if I know that dwarven fighter is my brother, then I do not care that I hear his voice coming out of it.
A little imagination people, that is all it takes. You guys are just to quick to right off the consoles, because you have been anti-console for so long, you refuse to see the truth...
I was like that, but I finally spent the money and got an XBox a couple years ago and have never looked back. I was the most Anti-Console person you would have ever met...
Oh also...
XBox Live has this feature where they put a voice mask on and you sound like somebody or something else altogether. And it works great. I have a very deep voice and if I set it to child girl, even I sound like a 6 year old girl at the other end. Freaky, but it works.
All they would have to do is filter the voices by the race, gender, and class of the character.
But again, I say a good voice to text converter solves all of the problems. And still allows you to yell for help while running through a maze with a train of Gnolls on your butt.
If you want to play real MMORPG's, buy a computer.
If you want to play dumbed down sub-par MMO's...thats what console's are for.
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It's fitting considering most MMORPG's are just dumbed down single player RPG's...
Console MMOGs differ GREATLY on all console systems. I know of no mouse or keyboard attatchment for the Xbox. And since only the Xbox has a hard drive(the PS2 one is used ONLY for FFXI), you have to load everything from the disc itself or the very limited RAM(128?). This makes MMOGs suffer greatly. Especially EQOA, I tried the demo disc for that game and I had more graphics lag and loading times than I did playing original EQ on a 8 year old PC(and the original had better graphics!).
And you cannot connect a PS2 controller to the computer. Lookalikes mabey, but not the controller. And the XBox controller is the worst Ive EVER seen since the original Sega. Big, clunky, with more semi-labeled buttons than anyone knows what to do with. Primary reason I never bought xbox.
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Rent, I don't agree with you, your agrument seems a little outdated.
Massive: Xbox and PS2 use DVD as a storage medium, Gamecube uses a proprietry media that holds about a 1Gb to 1.5Gb of data (I think, but definitely over a CD's worth). A CD holds about 700 to 800Mb roughly. Also, the Xbox comes with a built in hard drive, and if you buy FFXI on the PS2 it comes bundled with a hard drive.
However, I always believed the Massive in MMORPG, related to the number of people able to simultaneously play on a single server. There's no difference between PC's and consoles in this respect, as it's down to the developer/publisher/net dudes to provide the servers to play on.
Multiplayer / Online : All the current generation consoles have online capability. XBox has it as standard, and PS2/Gamecube require the purchase of a cheap networking device. I have both my PS2 and XBox networked, and they play fine online. There's nothing shakey about performance, especially as most racing or FPS games require much lower pings compared to a MMORPG. In fact performance could be argued to be better, esepcially on XBox, as it will only accept broadband/cable users, so no worries about ensuring the games can run on lowly 56k dial up.
Roleplaying : This is my only issue. As a previous poster stated XBox live can have voice masks, however except for group/team/guild conversations I think a keyboard would be better. I can't imagine listening to a trade channel - 'Buy my LVL 100 Flaming sword' shouted over and over, mixed with 100's of other people shouting similar stuff. There would be ways around the problem - such as having an area of effect surrounding the player, so only if you move with in that area can you hear the player talking.
For Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo to release a keyboard/mouse combo is not exactly a major issue. Just because a PC comes with these devices as standard is hardly a winning argument. The Infinum console will be packaged with a keyboard/mouse device that appears to work very well, even placed on a users lap.
Game : They have all the above. It's also worth pointing out that Final Fantasy XI has over 500,000 subscribers which is significantly more than any similar MMORPG title - Is this just because Final Fantasy is huge in Japan? - Possibly. Is it because FFXI is the uber-MMORPG? - Not likely. Is it because it's cross platform? - Very likely.
The only difference between FFXI on PC and on PS2 is the graphics. PS2 is fixed to a lower res than the PC, but it still looks fantastic, and is completely playable, especially on a nice big TV!
So in answer to the original poster...
Yes, I do have a desire to see console MMORPG's. Citizen Zero on the XBox should be good, and there are others in the pipeline. The console market is now mature enough that an MMORPG wouldn't be a shock to the system. There's over 500,000 XBox Live subscribers in the US alone, and if you read any forum about True Fantasy Live Online, a lot of people complain that they only bought a Live subscription to play this game. (may it rest in peace).
I'd be happy to pay the same price as I pay for PC MMORPG's.
I don't see any significant differences between a PC based MMORPG and a console based game. True Fanatsy Live Online looked like it would have all the features seen in a current PC MMORPG. It's a shame it was cancelled, but from the reports I've heard this wasn't because there was no interest, or the XBox was not capable, but for the same reasons as Warhammer Online and UXO were canned.
Jdoki
NO MMORPG INSTEAD OF PC!!! GRRR!!!
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PeachKing
GRRRRRR!!