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Gamespy review "4/5 GREAT" (11/9/07)
Mithrandolir
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in Tabula Rasa
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=821068
Great review, shows the good and the bad and gives a fair score to a great game.
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Yeah I agree, pretty nice review there. Especially those "morality quests" grabbed my attention. Blah, I just ordered the game yesterday and this doesn't make the waiting any easier hehe.
Excellant review, that mirrors my own opinion of the game.
8/10 isn't too bad really.... about what I thought it would come in at...... not sure I'd call that great...but some reviewers are a bit too lenient.... I'd call it good perhaps.....about what most games come in at these days it seems so nothing wrong with that.
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Yeah but it's relevant to whatever they call 5/5. If that is a "Super Awesome Deluxe Epitome of Perfection"... well then "great" doesn't sound so awesome anymore
theres another review here:
http://www.gamedaily.com/games/tabula-rasa/pc/game-reviews/review/3137/1831/
The first error I noticed is that the review says there are AFS footlockers in every base. In my experience its like 1 or 2 bases per battle map.
Technically there are only 1 or 2 bases per map, the rest are outposts, control points, waypoints etc. So the review is actually correct.
I think thats a techicality that would escape anyone reading the review who hadnt actually played the game.
You can use the map to find where footlockers are. Press the M key to open your map. Turn off everything in the legend except footlockers.
you will find that there are 1 or 2 locations per main map that have footlockers.
http://www.ugo.com/ugo/html/article/?id=18002
A-
http://uk.gamestracker.com/int/extmain.asp?idu=7942397
8/10
http://uk.gamestracker.com/int/extmain.asp?idu=7942388
8.6/10
looks like its being recieved positively
These reviews dont tell the whole truth and just want to support sales of this product, its not always free journalism rather often just marketing support. If you are playing around lvl 30, you will be shocked how broken this game is at the moment. Performance problem is the main issue, after lvl 25 you wont find any instance or dungeon without latency, lag spikes, memory leaks but in addition you will see that loads of quests are bugged, AI scripts problems and lower Intelligence quality of AI in general. I have really problems to believe the devs can fix these problems within a month - seen enough betas already and what most companies can really do within short time, seems like this game was releases to early like Vanguard & Co., it has a similar hype and people as well reviews dont tell the whole truth.
Most of the gamers who are only positive and fascinating ingame are not even lvl 20, when you ask them in the chat...around lvl 30 you will find more and more players who agree that the game has serious issues which agree that in the next weeks it will decide if this game goes top or flop. Besides the big list of problems which include also pvp balance in general and even class skill bugs, there is no endgame content at all which has to be patched as well if this game will be successfull. If they dont really change something dramatically in the next 2-3 weeks, lots of players will cancel for sure.
Yes the whole pve action is quiete exciting and love it, but iam fet up with hype and only half true reviews of new game releases and pure hopes of gamers without any reality, lots of big game releases in the last 2-3 years on the mmorpg market were just big bubbles and reviews, aswell big hopes and excitement of gamers were just a part of the big show...its quiete similar with this game, even it ist not as bad as Vanguard or Dark & Light it stays for me as an beta product and has not release quality. I want that this game succeeds, but you have to stay in realtiy.
Spizz, My problem with your comments about the post 30 game is this:
I bought the pre-order. I've played every night 2-3 hours a night since the servers came up, and I'm only level 18. I dont think its fair to complain about endgame content in the first month or two of ANY MMO release, and especially not to say the game will flop because of it.
Many successfull MMO's have launched with little to no endgame and added it as the game picked up steam - and yes, in each of those MMO's, there was somebody like you just focused on getting to the end as quick as possible.
I'm starting to think that these type of people WANT to complain. If your level 30+ already in this game, then you are focusing way too much. This game is NOT designed for the type of people that rush to endgame, even less so than many other "endgame" style games like WoW - I like many others, will give them a pass on Month 1. And probably a slightly whiney pass on month 2. Everyone complained like crazy about WoW and lack of endgame, and now its somehow the gold standard that never got it wrong.
Thank you.
Iam lvl 27 and not 30+ but you can do already and see a lot of content around lvl 30, the issues start already with lvl 20+, if endgame content would be the only reason i would not post in this style. You dont have to be a certain "type" to write about true issues in this game, wont shout my mouth and just let the sun shine out of my back. If you followed the last years you know about the whole hype problems and what is really behind this show. I give everyone in life a chance, but i dont sell faked sunshine in such forums. Iam not a hater cause i love many parts of this game but you have to speak bout issues.
This game has recieved a lot of hype on this site and a lot of trash talk. This review finally helped me decide to give it a shot. It's unfortunate most of the reviews on this site are such extreme, either it's the best game in the world or the worst... Thanks to everyone who actually made true constructive reviews. Seems to be a lot of promising content in store for this game also. It will atleast hold me over until AOC. Now I just wish my shipment would hurry up!!
I don't listen to the "OMG this game suxxors!" reviews or the "OMG this game rocks!" reviews that people post on this site anymore. The only way to see if a game is for you is to try it yourself.
I read tons of negative "reviews" that people posted about DDO, which kept me from trying it. When I finally did, had a ball for a while with it. Same thing with EQ2, which I am now currently playing.
The only thing I do is try to filter through the BS posts and get as many facts about the game as I can. Then I make the choice on whether or not it might be worth a try.
My opinion on TR? I played beta, it didn't do anything for me, and was probably the most repetative and uninspiring game I've played in a while. However, don't take my word for it
Go try it for yourself and you may find it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I call BS on this. Sure there are some whore critics out there, but when the majority of respected gaming sites give the game a good review, I think its getting an accurate assessment. Think they rate all over-hyped games well just to boost sales? Check out the reviews for Hellgate:London on GameSpy and IGN. It was pretty much panned across the board, and that's an EA game that was probably hyped more than this was.
I think 4/5 is a fair assessment. The game is fun and stable and has a lot of potential. It's not perfect, but hardly any MMO is on release. Don't let the end-game rushers dissuade you from trying out something you might find enjoyable. Every MMO release is the same. A few people rush-grind to the end, complain about the lack of end-game content, and condemn the entire thing. They are most definitely not representative of the whole player base.
MMO history:
EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard
DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer
EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot
CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper
WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior
LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar
Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
You know, generally speaking, I'm an ass when it comes to MMO's lol. I really bashed this game when I got in beta. I mean, I ripped it a new one. And it was a mess in june / july, no doubt.
But I saw it in the store the other day and having read some of the positive propaganda you guys are writing, I picked it up, I am big enough to admit when I am wrong. It turned out pretty good. I actually like it now and may even add it to my little picture show. We will see once my 30 days are up. If I actually pay for it, then it makes the list.
I still would like to see some other things, its still somewhat limited in scope. No vehicles, no fliers, no starships. I guess I can live with that for now. A space based expansion would be cool in the future. Although the world / war is very well done, its a bit to action centric at this point. I like the missions, very well done also.
Its got a lot going for it. Some sort of capitol city to call home with some more RPG type amenities, and vehicles / space and this is pretty good. I generally like all NCSoft games though.
Thank you Torak, for your honesty.
The game sure has come a long way since July, the devs did a remarkable job pulling this one off so smoothly. I agree with you on all of your remarks. We need some things added, hopefully they happen fairly quickly.
For now, the game is exciting and fun, stable and solid. It's got plenty to keep me busy for a few months on a couple of characters and I think the devs will be ironing out the few wrinkles that made it through beta while adding some tidbits of content here and there over the next few weeks.
The end game doesn't really concern me. If 1-30 is as fun as everyone says then it's worth the initial purchase IMO. I've bought lots of console and pc games that I played for less than a month. If the endgame sucks and i get tired of messing with clones, then I'll cancel and wait for the game to mature.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
I call BS on this. Sure there are some whore critics out there, but when the majority of respected gaming sites give the game a good review, I think its getting an accurate assessment.
Gotta challenge you on this idea.
If the gaming site is accepting any advertising money for a game that they review, the review is tainted, pure and simple.
You may want to argue the toss for the impartiality of the reviewers, but ask yourself, who's going to bite the hand that feeds them? You can bet that any majorly negative reviews of any game handing over cash for advertising space will be re-edited in a more positive light, just to keep the ad money rolling in.
I call BS on this. Sure there are some whore critics out there, but when the majority of respected gaming sites give the game a good review, I think its getting an accurate assessment.
Gotta challenge you on this idea.
If the gaming site is accepting any advertising money for a game that they review, the review is tainted, pure and simple.
You may want to argue the toss for the impartiality of the reviewers, but ask yourself, who's going to bite the hand that feeds them? You can bet that any majorly negative reviews of any game handing over cash for advertising space will be re-edited in a more positive light, just to keep the ad money rolling in.
Show me a documented incident of a gaming site that shades its reviews based on ad money. Any instance of this happening would be a disaster for that reviewer, if not the site. I agree with the BS call. Got any other conspiracy theories?
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Another TR review - 8.6
http://pc.gamezone.com/gzreviews/r21955.htm
I call BS on this. Sure there are some whore critics out there, but when the majority of respected gaming sites give the game a good review, I think its getting an accurate assessment.
Gotta challenge you on this idea.
If the gaming site is accepting any advertising money for a game that they review, the review is tainted, pure and simple.
You may want to argue the toss for the impartiality of the reviewers, but ask yourself, who's going to bite the hand that feeds them? You can bet that any majorly negative reviews of any game handing over cash for advertising space will be re-edited in a more positive light, just to keep the ad money rolling in.
That's an overly jaded and simplistic view, and also doesn't take into account how a lot of advertising works.
First, ad views = exposure. If a site is getting tons of readership, the ads are going to be placed there regardless of whether or not they review their games positively. If companies restricted their advertising only to sites that give positive reviews, those sites would lose readership (because of their tendency to skew reviews) and so the game gets less exposure. Its counter-productive.
Second, many of these game sites use outside services to serve their ads, and these services serve their ad content to many sites, not just that particular one. So are you saying the game publisher tells the ad agency only to send ads to sites with positive reviews? Even if they could do that, they'd be stupid to. Ad agencies want as many views and click-throughs as possible. That's how they get paid. You don't get that by restricting yourself.
Again, I will point out the Hellgate:London example. Gamespy had advertising for that game plastered all over the place for months before release. They had previews and developer blogs, and had a week's worth of features the week the game came out. But their final review was still a 3/5, and it was pretty critical.
I'm not saying there aren't whore critic sites out there, of course there are. That's why you should read several sites and try to get an average rating, instead of just trusting one site. But to condemn all reviewers as shills for the game companies is dishonest. That's like saying all newspapers or magazines are beholden to their advertisers which, judging by a lot of the critical content you find in that media, is certainly not the case.
MMO history:
EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard
DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer
EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot
CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper
WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior
LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar
Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
all the gaming sites accept advertising from the games they review. So of course their is no integrity there.
The reviews people give on these forums are much better than those sites.
I call BS on this. Sure there are some whore critics out there, but when the majority of respected gaming sites give the game a good review, I think its getting an accurate assessment.
Gotta challenge you on this idea.
If the gaming site is accepting any advertising money for a game that they review, the review is tainted, pure and simple.
You may want to argue the toss for the impartiality of the reviewers, but ask yourself, who's going to bite the hand that feeds them? You can bet that any majorly negative reviews of any game handing over cash for advertising space will be re-edited in a more positive light, just to keep the ad money rolling in.
Show me a documented incident of a gaming site that shades its reviews based on ad money. Any instance of this happening would be a disaster for that reviewer, if not the site. I agree with the BS call. Got any other conspiracy theories?
Look, of course most reviews have quality like those you mentioned already in this thread for this game and any game which will be released. The content of such reviews express in general the big positive points of games, content, graphics & style, gameplay and more, the press releases has a certain sheme or layout.
However, what they dont tell you really details about ingame problems after release or during beta, they more or less give only some hints.
In gamer forums you will find more infos from gamer behind the szenes, but also here you have to be careful and better get your own opinion with trying yout the game byyourself. Product Tests, Interviews, Game Reviews, History, Statistics, Press or Tv, Politics or whatever are in general often manipulated or you get manimpulated from it, thats not conspiracy those things are facts - thats business and real life facts and not BS, which you see more and more with life or job expiriences.
What i wanted to say with my first post, is the fact that of course the reviews show that Tabula Rasa has excellent content and gameplay in general, but thats currently not the whole story, furthermore i tried to give directions to last hypes of games which were only a bubble and hope as well reviews far away from reality....well lets see and wait for the first patches for Tabula Rasa , iam still positive.
Reviews are based on opinion, that's their nature, if you don't happen to share the reviewer's opinion, that DOES NOT mean that they're working marketing.
Seriously, you're attacking the integrity of people you don't know. Criticism is fine, but you've made a huge accusation without any actual follow-up or proof.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com