While I don't agree with the people who are pissing and moaning about being called forum terrorists (cmon guys, its a joke), I agree that the tone and word use of the author makes him seem like he's in Sony's pocket.
Giving SWG its own award for worst ever is a good idea though, that way we can see what other crap is out there in the industry. Had that not been done, I would have not seen that many people voted for LOTRO for worst use of an IP - I never thought it was that bad, but clearly I need to have a more critical eye of it when I'm playing.
So yeah, fellow forum terrorists, I'm with ya on everything you've said but the being upset about being called terrorists - lets just lighten up a bit on the seriousness factor..
It was funny MMORPG.com having a little fun with the swg haters. It is funny swg haters are having a little fun now with MMORP.com. I think both sides need to lighten up.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
It is my opinion that your weekly editorial column sucks. It is at best tangential to MMORPGs and my gaming experience. I find your editorials shallow and ill-conceived - like a college student who puts forth the absolute minimum of effort for whatever project. I can honestly say I have enjoyed few if any of your posts (most aren't worth any time I might invest to read them), and while I could understand removing SWG from a few of the categories, I cannot understand your whimsical decision to completely remove it in the manner in which you have from all categories. I will henceforth be automatically skipping your literary "contributions" to this and any other gaming site, I won't miss you in the least just as I'm certain you won't miss me.
Mr. "Stradden" Wood,
This farce of an editorial column experiment should have been cancelled long ago. Also, please remember that this is a site meant first and foremost as a discussion facilitator - yet MMORPG.com is becoming less and less so. Your actions are giving a differentially loud voice to some elements and silencing others. I believe you are smarter than this, thus the logic behind your decisions eludes me. I do not subscribe to the popular "MMORPG.com is an $OE shill" theory, but I do begin to believe the noses of some MMORPG.com staff might be a good bit browner than those of others.
Final thoughts -
I take pride in being the first who voted Worst Graphics for World of Warcraft - good game, if simple, but I don't like cartoony graphics.
I would also point out that Mr. Foriter's "special lifetime achievement" award is for SWG:NGE - to be honest, the preNGE game had problems too, I think that's a good bit of the reason so many of us voted for that game. The CU should never have happened the way it did, and the game was released in a horribly incomplete version. It is in a perpetual state of beta testing. To have misconstrued the angst of the "Forum Terrorists" as being solely attributable to the NGE just further demonstrates that Mr. Foriter doesn't understand what he's writing about and should thus refrain from future comments on this subject.
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005 Now Playing: World of Warcrack Forum Terrorist
So, Dan ... did you go out of your way to pick something different in every category, or are you just that out of touch with your readership and the MMO community at large?
Typical. Reasons to not visit MMORPG: 1. They are a joke. 2. They will change any "story" or vote to suit their sponsers instead of showing the truth. 3. And so on...
Mr. Foriter, It is my opinion that your weekly editorial column sucks. It is at best tangential to MMORPGs and my gaming experience. I find your editorials shallow and ill-conceived - like a college student who puts forth the absolute minimum of effort for whatever project. I can honestly say I have enjoyed few if any of your posts (most aren't worth any time I might invest to read them), and while I could understand removing SWG from a few of the categories, I cannot understand your whimsical decision to completely remove it in the manner in which you have from all categories. I will henceforth be automatically skipping your literary "contributions" to this and any other gaming site, I won't miss you in the least just as I'm certain you won't miss me. Mr. "Stradden" Wood, This farce of an editorial column experiment should have been cancelled long ago. Also, please remember that this is a site meant first and foremost as a discussion facilitator - yet MMORPG.com is becoming less and less so. Your actions are giving a differentially loud voice to some elements and silencing others. I believe you are smarter than this, thus the logic behind your decisions eludes me. I do not subscribe to the popular "MMORPG.com is an $OE shill" theory, but I do begin to believe the noses of some MMORPG.com staff might be a good bit browner than those of others. Final thoughts - I take pride in being the first who voted Worst Graphics for World of Warcraft - good game, if simple, but I don't like cartoony graphics. I would also point out that Mr. Foriter's "special lifetime achievement" award is for SWG:NGE - to be honest, the preNGE game had problems too, I think that's a good bit of the reason so many of us voted for that game. The CU should never have happened the way it did, and the game was released in a horribly incomplete version. It is in a perpetual state of beta testing. To have misconstrued the angst of the "Forum Terrorists" as being solely attributable to the NGE just further demonstrates that Mr. Foriter doesn't understand what he's writing about and should thus refrain from future comments on this subject.
I recall at the end of 2006, the "Games in Development" list being huge compared to 2008's and only AOC and WAR have half a chance at a sustainble run in my view. Hopefully, i will be proven wrong.
Hopefully you will be proven RIGHT and 2008 will be the year of the Great MMOG Cleansing, when the long predicted collapse of all these Dozens of crap mmogs will occur. But probably not. Alas the economics for these things still ensures that even a few thousand subscribers will keep a garbage mmog afloat.
If your rage against the NGE is so great, why are you not pumping more support into the SWG EMU?
From what I understand, interest is starting to fall off on it. If your banking on the new MMO from BioWare to be just like Pre-CU, I think you will be very disappointed. Trend in the market doesn't favor world sims or hard core concepts.
Originally posted by Noimi In a strange way, I do feel forced to read it. In order to escape the pre-cu swg fanboys/girls one would need to leave entirely mmog forums (not just this site). You may think being called a forum terrorist is in poor taste but its not worth getting worked up over.
When one of the largest and most popular IP's gets, how to say, ruined(?), there is no doubt that there will be a large fallout.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Terrorist by definition is not a person who wants to blow things up and kill people. Terrorists are people who want to cause a state of submission or fear in other people. You ultimately believe that your opinion is the only opinion that is correct and the only one that matters. Thus you want other people to be submissive to your opinion. So you're a terrorist.
Terrorism is the work of putting terror and fear into people via violence; and such activities will result in a ban here. For example, and this is only an example, If I typed, "If you play SWG again, I'll punch you in the mouth next time we meet. " That is terrorism.
I have seen only very few cases of that happening here, and fortunately those postings get chopped off quick with those accounts being banned.
When I read of the word terrorism or terrorist, my mind goes back to bus bombings in Israel. I will be more than welcomed at posting links of such graphic pictures of what terrorism does and its effect. And some people here do fight against terrorism and do take such offense at being labeled as a terrorist.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
And for all you people who make rediculous claims about MMORPG.COM and SOE being in bed together I would advise an english comprehension class post haste. If MMORPG is on thier payroll and giving the worst game ever award to SWG then SOE really is as stupid as some of you claim.
What's worse for SOE...having the NGE mentioned in a small paragraph where the author makes fun of the people that overwhelmingly voted for the NGE or having SWG "win" every single category in the article?
Try thinking things through before you start flaming the majority of people who voted.
Great article and great comeback For a humourous piece it did pretty much hit the nail on the head in every single category, which is a testament to all the non-SOE haters that voted. Sony still won the publisher's award for churn-monger with (numerous mentions of) VG, PotBS and even poor old MxO. So everyone should be unhappy!
And this is supposed garner any respect for you or your site? Nice professionalism, btw.
Nothing like insulting the patrons/poster of this site, again. Nice use of good judgment there....
No tin-foil hat here, you are just acting like a jerk, to a significant number of customers. You should have quit while you were behind. You think stuff like this makes people want to come here and see the ads this site sells? Hmmm?
Maybe on that email, "SOE" should have offered a brain.
And this is supposed garner any respect for you or your site? Nice professionalism, btw. Nothing like insulting the patrons/poster of this site, again. Nice use of good judgment there.... No tin-foil hat here, you are just acting like a jerk, to a significant number of customers. You should have quit while you were behind. You think stuff like this makes people want to come here and see the ads this site sells? Hmmm? Maybe on that email, "SOE" should have offered a brain.
Ok I have read the replies from the rabid SWG haters....... and I think forum terrorist is too nice of a term for you people..... I played SWG pre-CU all the way through the NGE. Yeah it was fun but pre-CU ended a long ass time ago and its time to move on. All you have to do to start a rabid rant on any gaming forum or even in any game is say "SWG" and watch the fireworks. Its just like when you mention Chuck Norris in WoW. Oh and if you decide to disagree with the rabid haters they can get pretty violent in words. I have gotten told to go to hell and had many of them threaten to kick my ass. Forum Terrorist is the perfect title for you all. Now wear your title proudly! Oh and the article was a hoot.
Originally posted by DanmannThe Truth is Revealed!!!
And this was just classic. I thought it was hilarious
It is absolutely pathetic that you would throw out votes after requesting that they be presented. So people's opinions are invalid just because you dont agree with them? Fine, but dont ask for them then. You whole column and especially these awards are geared towards people dissatisfied with paticular games, yet your surprised when haters come out. Really, what is sad is your attitude.
Very poorly played Mr. Fortier. You should be ashamed of yourself.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Dan, I think you're great. The fact that you can piss off a load of idiots, and then rub it into their face even further is proof that you're awesome. Keep up the good work. It makes me laugh how they call for professionalism, and claim they're customers, when they're in fact leeching off this freely run site by visiting it and increasing bandwidth costs with their pathetic posts. Funny thing is, they'd probably pay $9.95 a month just so they could log in and whine, hahaha.
Comments
While I don't agree with the people who are pissing and moaning about being called forum terrorists (cmon guys, its a joke), I agree that the tone and word use of the author makes him seem like he's in Sony's pocket.
Giving SWG its own award for worst ever is a good idea though, that way we can see what other crap is out there in the industry. Had that not been done, I would have not seen that many people voted for LOTRO for worst use of an IP - I never thought it was that bad, but clearly I need to have a more critical eye of it when I'm playing.
So yeah, fellow forum terrorists, I'm with ya on everything you've said but the being upset about being called terrorists - lets just lighten up a bit on the seriousness factor..
It was funny MMORPG.com having a little fun with the swg haters. It is funny swg haters are having a little fun now with MMORP.com. I think both sides need to lighten up.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Can I please get a title Forum Terrorist?
Mr. Foriter,
It is my opinion that your weekly editorial column sucks. It is at best tangential to MMORPGs and my gaming experience. I find your editorials shallow and ill-conceived - like a college student who puts forth the absolute minimum of effort for whatever project. I can honestly say I have enjoyed few if any of your posts (most aren't worth any time I might invest to read them), and while I could understand removing SWG from a few of the categories, I cannot understand your whimsical decision to completely remove it in the manner in which you have from all categories. I will henceforth be automatically skipping your literary "contributions" to this and any other gaming site, I won't miss you in the least just as I'm certain you won't miss me.
Mr. "Stradden" Wood,
This farce of an editorial column experiment should have been cancelled long ago. Also, please remember that this is a site meant first and foremost as a discussion facilitator - yet MMORPG.com is becoming less and less so. Your actions are giving a differentially loud voice to some elements and silencing others. I believe you are smarter than this, thus the logic behind your decisions eludes me. I do not subscribe to the popular "MMORPG.com is an $OE shill" theory, but I do begin to believe the noses of some MMORPG.com staff might be a good bit browner than those of others.
Final thoughts -
I take pride in being the first who voted Worst Graphics for World of Warcraft - good game, if simple, but I don't like cartoony graphics.
I would also point out that Mr. Foriter's "special lifetime achievement" award is for SWG:NGE - to be honest, the preNGE game had problems too, I think that's a good bit of the reason so many of us voted for that game. The CU should never have happened the way it did, and the game was released in a horribly incomplete version. It is in a perpetual state of beta testing. To have misconstrued the angst of the "Forum Terrorists" as being solely attributable to the NGE just further demonstrates that Mr. Foriter doesn't understand what he's writing about and should thus refrain from future comments on this subject.
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server
NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
Forum Terrorist
So, Dan ... did you go out of your way to pick something different in every category, or are you just that out of touch with your readership and the MMO community at large?
Typical. Reasons to not visit MMORPG: 1. They are a joke. 2. They will change any "story" or vote to suit their sponsers instead of showing the truth. 3. And so on...
One last inquiry - with whom do I need to speak in order to get "Forum Terrorist" as my MMORPG.com title?
SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server
NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
Now Playing: World of Warcrack
Forum Terrorist
Mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Hopefully you will be proven RIGHT and 2008 will be the year of the Great MMOG Cleansing, when the long predicted collapse of all these Dozens of crap mmogs will occur. But probably not. Alas the economics for these things still ensures that even a few thousand subscribers will keep a garbage mmog afloat.
If your rage against the NGE is so great, why are you not pumping more support into the SWG EMU?
From what I understand, interest is starting to fall off on it. If your banking on the new MMO from BioWare to be just like Pre-CU, I think you will be very disappointed. Trend in the market doesn't favor world sims or hard core concepts.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Terrorism is the work of putting terror and fear into people via violence; and such activities will result in a ban here. For example, and this is only an example, If I typed, "If you play SWG again, I'll punch you in the mouth next time we meet. " That is terrorism.
I have seen only very few cases of that happening here, and fortunately those postings get chopped off quick with those accounts being banned.
When I read of the word terrorism or terrorist, my mind goes back to bus bombings in Israel. I will be more than welcomed at posting links of such graphic pictures of what terrorism does and its effect. And some people here do fight against terrorism and do take such offense at being labeled as a terrorist.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I think we should all have some kind of uniform. Maybe even some arm bands. Someone needs to create a flag as well.
What's worse for SOE...having the NGE mentioned in a small paragraph where the author makes fun of the people that overwhelmingly voted for the NGE or having SWG "win" every single category in the article?
Try thinking things through before you start flaming the majority of people who voted.
The Truth is Revealed!!!
Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the reviews of MMORPG.com or its management.
Great article and great comeback
For a humourous piece it did pretty much hit the nail on the head in every single category, which is a testament to all the non-SOE haters that voted. Sony still won the publisher's award for churn-monger with (numerous mentions of) VG, PotBS and even poor old MxO. So everyone should be unhappy!
Merry Grindmas
And this is supposed garner any respect for you or your site? Nice professionalism, btw.
Nothing like insulting the patrons/poster of this site, again. Nice use of good judgment there....
No tin-foil hat here, you are just acting like a jerk, to a significant number of customers. You should have quit while you were behind. You think stuff like this makes people want to come here and see the ads this site sells? Hmmm?
Maybe on that email, "SOE" should have offered a brain.
Stuff like that are exactly why I go every wednesday to The Escapist for a new dose of Zero Punctuation.
Ok I have read the replies from the rabid SWG haters....... and I think forum terrorist is too nice of a term for you people..... I played SWG pre-CU all the way through the NGE. Yeah it was fun but pre-CU ended a long ass time ago and its time to move on. All you have to do to start a rabid rant on any gaming forum or even in any game is say "SWG" and watch the fireworks. Its just like when you mention Chuck Norris in WoW. Oh and if you decide to disagree with the rabid haters they can get pretty violent in words. I have gotten told to go to hell and had many of them threaten to kick my ass. Forum Terrorist is the perfect title for you all. Now wear your title proudly! Oh and the article was a hoot.
And this was just classic. I thought it was hilariousYeah, you're right, he's being paid off by SoE. It'd make MUCH more sense to make this as an article:
Seriously. IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, SHUT THE HELL UP AND GET OVER YOURSELVES.
AM I CRAZY?
People are saying MMORPG supports SOE?
(rubs eyes) ... (blinks a few times) ... (sees LotR ads everywhere).
(rubs eyes again) ... (blinks)... (sees posts bashing SOE everywhere).
W ... T ... F?
-----
WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
It is absolutely pathetic that you would throw out votes after requesting that they be presented. So people's opinions are invalid just because you dont agree with them? Fine, but dont ask for them then. You whole column and especially these awards are geared towards people dissatisfied with paticular games, yet your surprised when haters come out. Really, what is sad is your attitude.
Very poorly played Mr. Fortier. You should be ashamed of yourself.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
I love it! Good show, Dan.
Dan, I think you're great. The fact that you can piss off a load of idiots, and then rub it into their face even further is proof that you're awesome. Keep up the good work. It makes me laugh how they call for professionalism, and claim they're customers, when they're in fact leeching off this freely run site by visiting it and increasing bandwidth costs with their pathetic posts. Funny thing is, they'd probably pay $9.95 a month just so they could log in and whine, hahaha.