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Is there a possiblity that aion will become number 1?

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  • RavkeenRavkeen Member UncommonPosts: 310
    Originally posted by sifudoja


     There is definately a possibility Aion will become #1. I would even say that the chances are high. Personally, judging from nothing other than what i read, Age of Conan looks as if it's chances may be a little higher, but being that Aion is made by NCSoft, the new mmo powerhouse in my opinion, who has been buying up some of the best devs in the world over the past few years in huge number (like 15-50 at a time) including many of the talents behind the creation of WoW who currently leads the market, saying this game doesn't have a chance is just insanity or pure hatred.
    The videos i've seen of the game as stunning.  The game already seems to be very polished / professional, and that is a very important factor in current day mmos, regardless of how good it may look, or how great the ideas behind a game are, having talented dev teams who can pull the production together and make the final product as good as the vision imagined it is probably THE most important thing.
    My prediction at his time is that these 2 games, Aion and AoC, will be the top 2 games and compete against each other for the #1 slot.



    Are you serious this game going to compete it out against AOC for the #1 spot. Aion is not even on the same level as AOC. But as I say again I don't even see this game i the top 5. But I guess we just have to wait and see in 2008 if this game going to be what all the Aion fans want it to be. In my vision I still don't see this game been no where near #1 the hype is just not there like WAR and AOC.

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  • BedaBeda Member Posts: 86

    NOPE!

  • daylight01daylight01 Member Posts: 2,250

    Originally posted by Ravkeen

    Originally posted by sifudoja


     There is definately a possibility Aion will become #1. I would even say that the chances are high. Personally, judging from nothing other than what i read, Age of Conan looks as if it's chances may be a little higher, but being that Aion is made by NCSoft, the new mmo powerhouse in my opinion, who has been buying up some of the best devs in the world over the past few years in huge number (like 15-50 at a time) including many of the talents behind the creation of WoW who currently leads the market, saying this game doesn't have a chance is just insanity or pure hatred.
    The videos i've seen of the game as stunning.  The game already seems to be very polished / professional, and that is a very important factor in current day mmos, regardless of how good it may look, or how great the ideas behind a game are, having talented dev teams who can pull the production together and make the final product as good as the vision imagined it is probably THE most important thing.
    My prediction at his time is that these 2 games, Aion and AoC, will be the top 2 games and compete against each other for the #1 slot.



    Are you serious this game going to compete it out against AOC for the #1 spot. Aion is not even on the same level as AOC. But as I say again I don't even see this game i the top 5. But I guess we just have to wait and see in 2008 if this game going to be what all the Aion fans want it to be. In my vision I still don't see this game been no where near #1 the hype is just not there like WAR and AOC.

    "hype is just not there like WAR and AOC"

    when did hype make a good game exactly?

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    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8

  • RavkeenRavkeen Member UncommonPosts: 310
    Originally posted by daylight01


     
    Originally posted by Ravkeen

    Originally posted by sifudoja


     There is definately a possibility Aion will become #1. I would even say that the chances are high. Personally, judging from nothing other than what i read, Age of Conan looks as if it's chances may be a little higher, but being that Aion is made by NCSoft, the new mmo powerhouse in my opinion, who has been buying up some of the best devs in the world over the past few years in huge number (like 15-50 at a time) including many of the talents behind the creation of WoW who currently leads the market, saying this game doesn't have a chance is just insanity or pure hatred.
    The videos i've seen of the game as stunning.  The game already seems to be very polished / professional, and that is a very important factor in current day mmos, regardless of how good it may look, or how great the ideas behind a game are, having talented dev teams who can pull the production together and make the final product as good as the vision imagined it is probably THE most important thing.
    My prediction at his time is that these 2 games, Aion and AoC, will be the top 2 games and compete against each other for the #1 slot.



    Are you serious this game going to compete it out against AOC for the #1 spot. Aion is not even on the same level as AOC. But as I say again I don't even see this game i the top 5. But I guess we just have to wait and see in 2008 if this game going to be what all the Aion fans want it to be. In my vision I still don't see this game been no where near #1 the hype is just not there like WAR and AOC.

    "hype is just not there like WAR and AOC"

     

    when did hype make a good game exactly?



    Just like WOW the hype of the franchise name OMFG they made a Warcraft MMORPG. That was the hype when WOW came out if WOW didn't have Warcraft in the name it would have been just a normal MMO. A name hype can take a MMO a long way WOW proved that with 9+ million subs.

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  • daylight01daylight01 Member Posts: 2,250

    nonsense alot of wow subs probally never even heard of warcraft before they played wow,Also if warcraft is such a huge name and the sole reason for the 8.5mil subs then how come LOTR is only sitting around 150k subs and lets be honest there is no competion which is the bigger name.

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    If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8

  • BedaBeda Member Posts: 86
    Originally posted by daylight01


    nonsense alot of wow subs probally never even heard of warcraft before they played wow,Also if warcraft is such a huge name and the sole reason for the 8.5mil subs then how come LOTR is only sitting around 150k subs and lets be honest there is no competion which is the bigger name.

    Yeah you are 100% correct.  LOTR makes me laugh,

  • CaladonCaladon Member Posts: 152
    Originally posted by daylight01


    nonsense alot of wow subs probally never even heard of warcraft before they played wow,Also if warcraft is such a huge name and the sole reason for the 8.5mil subs then how come LOTR is only sitting around 150k subs and lets be honest there is no competion which is the bigger name.

    I think a large chunk might have started it through the Warcraft name, and then attracting new players. Its the rolling snowball effect. Just like facebook, youtube, myspace or any other social phenomena out there. If the userbase is big, its likely to get bigger for that same reason.

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  • daylight01daylight01 Member Posts: 2,250
    Originally posted by Caladon

    Originally posted by daylight01


    nonsense alot of wow subs probally never even heard of warcraft before they played wow,Also if warcraft is such a huge name and the sole reason for the 8.5mil subs then how come LOTR is only sitting around 150k subs and lets be honest there is no competion which is the bigger name.

    I think a large chunk might have started it through the Warcraft name, and then attracting new players. Its the rolling snowball effect. Just like facebook, youtube, myspace or any other social phenomena out there. If the userbase is big, its likely to get bigger for that same reason.

    WOW made it for 1 simple reason it was a very playable easy to pick up game if they had called it elf`s and co online it would have been just as popular the same as any other MMo if it is good it will do well simple as that.

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    If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8

  • RavkeenRavkeen Member UncommonPosts: 310
    Originally posted by daylight01


    nonsense alot of wow subs probally never even heard of warcraft before they played wow,Also if warcraft is such a huge name and the sole reason for the 8.5mil subs then how come LOTR is only sitting around 150k subs and lets be honest there is no competion which is the bigger name.

    The bigger name was Warcraft their first game hit PC in 1994. LOTR didn't really get big until 2001 where the first movie trilogy was launch. But even then LOTR was still so so.

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  • daylight01daylight01 Member Posts: 2,250
    Originally posted by Ravkeen

    Originally posted by daylight01


    nonsense alot of wow subs probally never even heard of warcraft before they played wow,Also if warcraft is such a huge name and the sole reason for the 8.5mil subs then how come LOTR is only sitting around 150k subs and lets be honest there is no competion which is the bigger name.

    The bigger name was Warcraft their first game hit PC in 1994. LOTR didn't really get big until 2001 where the first movie trilogy was launch. But even then LOTR was still so so.

    I wasnt talking about only in games which is the biggest,Lets be honest I would hazzard a guess that around 80% of wow subs have never played a MMORPG before but if your theory is to be believed then with the books and cartoon and the movies to name but a few being so massive for LOTR then this game should have had its 8 mil subs also,As you said"if it wasnt warcraft then wow would have been just and average game"or something along them lines

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    If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8

  • RavkeenRavkeen Member UncommonPosts: 310
    Originally posted by daylight01

    Originally posted by Ravkeen

    Originally posted by daylight01


    nonsense alot of wow subs probally never even heard of warcraft before they played wow,Also if warcraft is such a huge name and the sole reason for the 8.5mil subs then how come LOTR is only sitting around 150k subs and lets be honest there is no competion which is the bigger name.

    The bigger name was Warcraft their first game hit PC in 1994. LOTR didn't really get big until 2001 where the first movie trilogy was launch. But even then LOTR was still so so.

    I wasnt talking about only in games which is the biggest,Lets be honest I would hazzard a guess that around 80% of wow subs have never played a MMORPG before but if your theory is to be believed then with the books and cartoon and the movies to name but a few being so massive for LOTR then this game should have had its 8 mil subs also,As you said"if it wasnt warcraft then wow would have been just and average game"or something along them lines



    To make this very short WOW came out before LOTR so it pulled in the people. LOTR was just to late and no one really cared about the MMORPG world until Blizzard made a huge success. Then everyone and there dad tried to hope on that band wagon. LOTR was one of those games.

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  • daylight01daylight01 Member Posts: 2,250

    doesnt back up your theory that hype makes a game(getting back on topic) there have been alot of games that came with alot of hype ..vanguard anyone..to sum it up a game will make it if it is what the gamers want and not the hype that surrounds it,I am waiting for TCOS with very little hype compared to WAR and AOC does that make me think it wont be great,nope not in the least couldnt care less.

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    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8

  • RavkeenRavkeen Member UncommonPosts: 310
    Originally posted by daylight01


    doesnt back up your theory that hype makes a game(getting back on topic) there have been alot of games that came with alot of hype ..vanguard anyone..to sum it up a game will make it if it is what the gamers want and not the hype that surrounds it,I am waiting for TCOS with very little hype compared to WAR and AOC does that make me think it wont be great,nope not in the least couldnt care less.

    Back on the topic if you go to a normal person that didn't care about MMO's you call name Warcraft they could tell you something about it. Same thing as for Warhammer and Conan. But if you say Aion they wouldn't have a clue of what your talking about. So this is what I'm trying to get you to see is that Warcraft, Warhammer, and Conan have that hype outside of the MMO com. People know those names even if they have never touched a MMO in there life. My mother even know Warhammer and Warcraft and she don't even play video games. Because the name been around for a long time. That is the hype of the game is the name. 

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  • daylight01daylight01 Member Posts: 2,250

    Sorry but it seems we are going nowhere here you keep saying "if you goto a normal person"well you could do the same with LOTR and like I said vanguard had a hell of alot of hype around it and look at the state of that game after less than a year.The point i am (and have been trying to make)it doesnt matter on the hype if the game is usless,Yes I can agree if a game comes from a well known subject or name it will get the attention of others but like I have said HYPE doesnt make a good game,So if aion makes it to number 1 above conan and WAR it will do so as it is a better game the same is true of TCOS.

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    If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8

  • PrinnySquadPrinnySquad Member Posts: 90

    Same old classes, levels, item-centric, non-strategic combat game play. Sounds exactly like every other MMO out there. Flying is a gimmick, not a real game play feature.

    I mean, sure it could be number one. The top games right now (profit and number wise) are item/level-centric and have boring restrictive classes and zero character customization. So I'd say Aion's chances are decent.

  • CaladonCaladon Member Posts: 152

    Originally posted by PrinnySquad


    Same old classes, levels, item-centric, non-strategic combat game play. Sounds exactly like every other MMO out there. Flying is a gimmick, not a real game play feature.
    I mean, sure it could be number one. The top games right now (profit and number wise) are item/level-centric and have boring restrictive classes and zero character customization. So I'd say Aion's chances are decent.
    Flight is not a gimmick, it's a real gameplay feature. Thats my opinion. :D

    Aion isnt trying to be a sandbox mmo, so i wouldn't meassure it as one. Combat seems quite strategic in the other hand - so while I agree on that you have levels and that items will probably matter, combat is based around combinations, directions, flying (yes, flight combat) and a bunch of other things making it quite "strategic" in my eyes. Character customization will be extensive (a minimal amount of choices in closed beta) with according to devs 30 different swatches to adjust. And it looks really good unlike some other games out there with extensive character customization.

     

     

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  • sifudojasifudoja Member Posts: 142

     I think marketing hype is important to a game so that publishers start to see a return on their investment quickly after a game is released so that the initial sales will further fund the game servers etc. But the true success of a game is due to the quality of it. A game may have a good launch due to marketing, but people aren't idiots and won't continue to pay for a game unless it's good.

    Look at Tabula Rasa, plenty of hype, RG's name in the title and alot of attention throughout development. But even RG says that the marketing gimmicks did more damage than good to that game. All the hype attracted tons of people, but do they have 9 million subscribers, no. Everyone has had an opportunity to try the game by now, whether in beta or after release. When all those people were invited to beta test, and the game was not as fun proffesional or polished as it should have been, it not only turned them away, but may have hurt the chances that they will ever try the game again. Most people buy things because they want them, not because everyone says they should get it. Some people may fall for hype, but for the intelligent consumer, marketing only draws thier attention, quality draws in thier money.

    WAR may have more hype in the US right now, but i hear far to much negativity coming from there, and it's not to a point that i have put my faith in it quite yet.

    AoC is by far my most anticipated game right now, but i have access to alot more info of it than i do with Aion, but the little i do get about Aion looks great already.

  • JynnJynn Member Posts: 23

    Seriously to tell you people the truth. I really think this game will be #1 based on the fact that when it comes out. It will already have that advantage in MMO features that catch many players eyes. Then if you forgot all the expansions that are going to be coming out soon. I think more and more people who finally realizes that its not a grinder when they hear it on youtube, or from their friends. That they would think about coming on to Aion.

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  • mezlabormezlabor Member Posts: 133

     

    Originally posted by Jynn


    Seriously to tell you people the truth. I really think this game will be #1 based on the fact that when it comes out. It will already have that advantage in MMO features that catch many players eyes. Then if you forgot all the expansions that are going to be coming out soon. I think more and more people who finally realizes that its not a grinder when they hear it on youtube, or from their friends. That they would think about coming on to Aion.

    I dont think its gonna be number 1. Not because it doesnt look intriguing. But wander on over to Age of Conan or Warhammers official websites and tell me what you see? LOTS Of information about the game. Look at the last few conventions and look at the games getting all the buzz. Warhammer and Age of Conan.

     

    Now this isnt a comment on how good I think Aion will be. My point here is that Ive been following Age of Conan for over a year now, And have passivly followed Warhammer for around as long. And I just found out Aion was coming a few days ago. When I went to search for info on the game I got barely anything. Theres no buzz or info about this game. Its hard for me and man others to get excited over a game with little info just some screenshots and vaugue class descirptions and pvpve. Even what you do hear is often contradictory is it a grindfest? is it not a grindfest?

    Meanwhile Age of Conan and Warhammer are building massive fanbases salivating at the chance to get their respective games (Personally Age of Conan for me) By the time This one hits the western world Age of Conan will be out and Warhammer will be just around the corner if not already out ,and this game will have a hard time trying to take players from WoW, Age of Conan or convince Warhammer fans they want to play this game instead of Warhammer (if war isnt out)

    I was curious about this game sadly I probably wont play it. Because I am already fairly invested with Aoc now. I have a guild built around Age of Conan and when it hits in march I wont be abandoning that game (unless it sucks then I may look at Aion) This is the same story for alot of other players.

    I think its gonna go down like this, If theres going to be any one "WoW killer" its probably going to be Warhammer. Age of Conan and Aion both I think will be more Niche titles.

    But I hope the game does do well. I dont ever want to see a time like recently were theres only 1 huge  mmo.

  • EphimeroEphimero Member Posts: 1,860

    This can perfectly be #1 once it's out, checking out the features this game has and the endgame content it will surely create a huge fan base, but people need to realize by playing it.

    I just imagine for a second that i'm logging in with my clan to play, and we decide to take over one of the fortresses which is being controlled by the opposite faction, the fact that we don't need to look deep for pvp, the fact that once we beat the opposite faction we will be able to farm for great items in the abyss and the fact that the balaur may interfere making an epic battle out of a normal day. It makes me giggle.



    As it is right now, these features do sound great, and that's what i'm trying to look while analyzing the new gen mmos coming in 2008, the daily agenda, something I'll be able to do with my clan every day right after logging in, people usually don't look into that and they only look at the surface, but imo, it's the daily fun what makes you stay in a game. Thats where aion wins for me.

  • HrothmundHrothmund Member Posts: 1,061

    I highly doubt it. Asian style games never appealed to me, Lineage 2 made me loathe them, in fact, and I'm sure many others feel the same way.

  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914

       Lmao  this one cracks me up .You have got a better chance of having breakfast with the Easter Bunny....

  • JrodJrod Member Posts: 234

    This game can't be number one it would have to have 9 million subs+ and I don't see much mmo's that will have that much subs

  • patrikd23patrikd23 Member UncommonPosts: 1,155

    Yes

  • maggotANUBISmaggotANUBIS Member Posts: 76

    i think that if NCSoft plays their cards right and delivers all the things they are promising, then yes this could be a contender for the illusive number 1 spot.

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