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All-You-Can-Eat Broadband Is Dead: Time Warner to Charge by the Byte
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Gee, I wonder how this is going to effect online gaming? I know 500 Gig is a lot, but is it really all that much when you think about all the things you do online? I know I do a lot of things. I email pictures to my friends, watch YouTube, play some demo's, etc. It doesn't seem like too much to allow us, all things considered.
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All-You-Can-Eat Broadband Is Dead: Time Warner to Charge by the Byte
Reason number 149 I won't move to Texas: Time Warner confirmed it'll be testing a new pricing plan in Beaumont that's based on how much bandwidth you eat up. That's right, hard caps. Totally made-up example, since they haven't released details on the package tiers: Pay $50 a month for 500 gigs, and if you consume more, get slapped with probably obscene overage fees.
Supposedly, consumption-based billing is aimed at all you assholes downloading movies from BitTorrent—"heavy users of large downloads," the purported 5 percent that swallows "up to 50 percent of network capacity" in order to improve network performance. But this is, at least partially, BS.
Everybody is using more bandwidth than ever, and that is going to continue ramping up with services like Netflix and iTunes that keep pushing these "large downloads" into the mainstream. So, it might only hit a small percentage of users really hard right now, but soon enough it'll be hitting everybody, which is the real point.
At the same time, ISPs and telcos are lobbying hard against network neutrality, largely so they can slap the content providers themselves with higher costs for equal priority on the network with the ISP's own services. In other words, they're reaching into the cookie jar with both hands—from the top, and a hole they're trying to cut into the bottom.
For now, Time Warner's plan will only affect new users starting sometime in the next couple of months, and they actually give you tools to monitor your data diet, but if there isn't a total revolt and pillaging of their home office, expect them to roll it out nationally and other providers to follow suit. [AP/Wired]
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They'll def do it and the competitors will def do it if Time Warner does. The only way we can stop it is if another people bitch about it.
I'm pretty sure that can be done quite easily since us internet users are some of the biggest complainers in the world
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Maybe some maverick company will decide to buck the trend.
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What smells like AOL in here?
Seriously Time Warner. . . it's dead. Leave it alone already.
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12 gig a month? I'd use that up in a few days!
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I have a Fileplanet account and download a lot off of there. It's one of the reasons I enjoy broadband so much. I like to watch the movies and play the demo's.
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I've downloaded over 600gb so far this month lol, i'd be sooo screwed.
Hmm dunno about US, but in my country and I guess its so in whole EU the competition is pretty steep. In the beginning (after dial-up) we had DSL offers with similar limits, but they were dead soon as more and more net providers came with various offers and types of connection. Also we have a strong trend of people forming LAN networks in neighborhoods and renting high broadband connections of various types and good deals. Using a thing like that, 100 Mbps connection using opctical cable atm, dont think I could get a better deal anywhere for 3 PC, 2 of them online 24/7, a notebook, xbox360 and 2 PSPs in our household since while most providers allow unlimited downloads, they usually restrict the line to 1 device (and its against eula to have router, etc).
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Your competitors will love this if all the major cable companies went this route. Verizon especially then AT&T because they both offer FIOS 15MB down for $50 a month.
Even if Time Warner did do this they do not cap gaming. They only cap limit is for downloads from programs, large files etc. Some Euro companies do however cap gaming download packets everytime your online with a game. So heavy use there could be trouble if the cap isn't set high enough, and this case 500gigs or whatever Time Warner is shooting for is very high. I think you guys are misinformed on just how big 500gigs cap download is. That is huge, probably half of what an average user will use in a month, hell it might even be lower then that for the average user. Who's average is the question, is it 70% of the population per city? Might be, I suspect that figure to be close from some quick searches on google.
I think everyone will hate me then i have an unlimited Download limit on a 2 meg Broadband line for £1 a month
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being a Time warner Road runner suscriber I am quite happy with my current service. practically no downtime, minus a bit of maintainence on their side. Dependng the website Im downloading from, being able to download at a rate of 1mb-1.2 mb/sec though on average it tends to be around 600-900kb/sec.
Im in the New York City Area, my neighborhood is pretty decently wired with Fiber optic from what I gather so we got decent infrastructure. now to the issue of capping, id be damned if that happens. I agree 500 gb is alot. as I dont really download a huge amount of movies on a constant basis, mainly music, a few programs if i need them ( usually back them up anyways) so I may very well may not use it, but I do game online a great deal, I do browse, post, do online classes that requires videos to be streamed and downloaded, so that adds up.
If they did do it, id probably leave to a company such as Verizon with FIOS if they ended up capping usage, Id say from a consumer standpoint you cant really change stuff up so dramatically it creates instability in the faith/loyalty of your consumer base when u make dramatic changes such as these. I think capping is a bad idea, and can only spell bad news to Timewarner as it makes them look greedy, let alone god forbid you do go over, theyll destory you with overuseage fee's similar to cell phones when u go over your minutes. it's bad news for Timewarner if they go through with this, i can see alot of people moving over to Optimium online, and verizon when and if this happens.
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Haha good luck converting Europe. Flat Rate internet is pretty much the only thing where I'm from
We have a 10 GB / month limit here in Belgium.
But 2MB/sec speed.
We can't download what we want, and they presume you don't 'need' more than 10 GB / month..because otherwise you're downloading illegal content.
Internet should be used as a means to get information, not films or games etc..according to our ISP's.
Once you go over 10 GB / month, you connection gets shut down, and you pay 2euro/ GB if you want extra, often you have to phone up your ISP to request that.
We'd kill for 500GB/month, that would be ridiculously much here.
I don't think this "by the byte" model will work, for the same reason that metering phone calls is fading away.
Customers HATE surprises on their utility bills. Hate it, hate it, hate it. You'll note the funny cell phone commercials where the mother interrogates the kids (and grandma) about the texting they're doing. Then the pitch is you'll never experience this with us...it's a flat fee!
Flat fees work, for several reasons. Consumers prefer them. They're predictable, which helps with family budgets. They help with business budgets, too. The benefit for the telco (or the ISP) is that billing is much simpler. At one time it was estimated that 1/3 of the cost of your phone bill in the US was due to the billing process for metered calls. I know when I worked for a small telco, the head switchboard tech would lock himself in his office, with no interruptions allowed, to deal with monthly billing.
There are idiots in the telecom industry who think that they'll make more money by metered service, but the fact is that flat fee avoids the costs of charging by the minute or by the byte. The profits will be about the same, even if some of your customers overuse the service, it's more than balanced by those who don't.
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Seems to be another idiotic try to stop illegal downloading Or illegal Sharing as i like to call it.
Luckely i live in sweden and can use how of the internet i want without any extra fees ^^
Well not me, since my net is free
Same here. With the exception that I got 8 mg instead.
Well if the unthinkable were to happen, then stand along game designers would reap the benefit. AT least in the world of gaming.
You're so quick to be led. So easy to be persuaded. So timid to lie down on the tracks.
Stand up for yourself. If something is wrong in principle alone, then that is enough. Just because something seems good for you at the time does not make it right.
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God guys... 500 GB IS ALOT!... I mean, if you were to download one 5Gb game and one 2Gb DVD per day (legally of course *cough*), that would be 210Gb per month.... As I doubt you spend 300Gb on youtube watching videos and whatnot I wonder what the hell you guys download.... Back home in Portugal I had a 2Gb connection with 8Gb international and unlimited national trafic for 20 euros and that wasn't that bad... of course I couldn't go downloading like a mad man but it wasn't that bad... Now 500Gb, that equals unlimited to me... for you to spend 500Gb a month you would have to download nearly 17Gb per day...
I seriously don't want to know what you guys download... Do you download a thing on one day, erase and then download it again just for fun..
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Yes, we have 10GB / month cap here in Belgium, it's too low, I'd like to have 35GB or something.
But 500GB..wow..that's insane. I wouldn't complain about that really. I would object to it out of principle maybe, but it's just a lot.
As bandwidth increases, file sizes have increased along with them (or perhaps they play off each other). It used to be not that long ago that downloading a 10 Meg file was an opportunity to go watch some television. Now it's a mere seconds of wait time.
The point is that what seems like a lot now will not seem so big in the very near future.
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I think this is a good idea overall to actually put a limit on internet piracy. As a person who is starting to feel the negative effects of internet piracy, I like this idea. Also like other people have said 500GB is alot. Infact most ISPs right now have a much lower cap that people really don't consider. I know my ISP limits to 10GB/day. Thats 300GB/month. Its just really really hard to actually hit this cap unless you are seeding multiple torrents since that one is usually 1GB/day, 30GB/month.
Online gaming takes up much less bandwidth then most realize. Net Coders are really having to go old school crackdowns when it comes to bandwidth. We are talking about Byte sized packages, just cause the transmission has to be low when you are hosting to many connections.
500 GB today, next year its 100 GB, then 10 GB, then 1 GB, then 1 megabyte, then your back to the TV for your news and information. GG.
By the time they will be down at 1 mb the games will probably be 2 terrabyte.