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What is there to do in Lineage 2? Does it suffer from pointless and random pking?
I was thinking of picking up this game but got City of Heroes before. I've since gotten bored of that after only a month and thinking of trying some of other mmorpg again. AC2 is out cause nothing has really changed and I'll never go back to Everquest so that leaves the others and I'm still trying to justify $15 for AO or SWG.
Anyway, what is there to do in L2? Are there tons of quest, missions? Are there safe zones or is it open PvP ala Shadowbane and old Ultima Online? If so does the game suffer from pointless and random pk? I've always been under the opinion that PvP is good as long as its structured and there was a reason for it. Like DAOC and AO, SWG's realm war and faction systems. More times then now, games like SB, old UO seemed to be a wannabe FPS (Quake, Unreal) in that it didn't matter why you killed someone, people usually killed the lower level people cause they couldn't take on those at their level. They always made the excuse that they were role playing an evil character or that it gave excitment not knowing what was going to happen. BS excuses in my opinion. Don't get me wrong I like PvP, like I said but with in reason and with a purpose.
How is the PvP in L2?
Is the game a pointless level grind with nothing else to it? Or is it just plan slow and annoying? Sadly that's how I felt about FFXI. Great atmosphere but so many other games did things better in that.
I'm not trying to troll but would like a few honest answers if possible please. Thank you.
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I'll try to be as honest as I possibly can. However I wanna let you know that I hate this game. And I hate this game for many reasons...which are sorta endless and would take up 3 pages of these forums.
All I can tell you is this. Browse the forums here and brows the official forums:
http://boards.lineage2.com/tt.asp?forumid=2
On the official forums you will see a ton of people upset about GMs screwing up accounts, hackers getting into accounts, duplicate CD keys that NCSoft accidentally made thus shutting both accounts down, exploiters, dupers, the infamous Chinese ran adena workers, bots. And just think 90% of all of this crap was around during beta and the DEVs didn't do a damn thing to prevent it.
Now, I know people who support the game would say that the people who like the game don't visit the forums.
A. Its not true. (I like SWG and I frequent the forums all the time)
B. There are so many legit complaints over there that its hard to ignore it.
Also, MMORPG.com gave this game a really horrible rating.
There's no character customization, the grind is ridicolous , the Chinese people in the servers almost makes you become a racist, dupers, hackers and exploiters in every city you come across.
It just isn't worth it. Trust me. Save your money.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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Nemo sine vitio est
i played FFXI and ya it feels like there is nothing to do except level.
Lineage 2 is that same feeling times 10. Unless you are a dwarf there is literally nothing else to do than level up and collect gear. And when your a dwarf it still aint much better. To make things worse, to get to a respectable level you are going to spend 40+hrs just to get to the good/mediocre part.
I hope some game comes out that has this same anime feeling except with some depth.
I'm still in the process of trying to find something to do in Lineage 2. I do like the graphics quite a bit, and I don't mind the overtly simplified mechanics either, but I don't think I'll find any reasons to continue playing the game.
I think the company and support are the worst of it all, right after the lack of any content. I really can't trust into a company that takes no steps to prevent people from using bots, selling in-game cash openly in eBay and use exploits. I've seen many companies whose PR policy is bad but I think the L2 company is so far giving the worst image of them all. I hated the AO PR policies in the end, but even towards FunCom I felt sympathy.
I agree with all of this. The PvP system ain't really a system, you just go around and attack other people and kill them, then when you kill them you turn red and anyone can kill you, and anyone will try too. Then you loose equipment. I like the fighting system, how you hit real fast and stuff, cause FFXI...you hit sooooo slowly....you could go make a glass of tea and come back before you hit again, lol. It takes sooooo long to level up its useless, when you are in a group, you have to be quick enough to get the loot before someone else does. Don't waste your money on it, go play AO, DAoC, or Planetside.
Grind grind grind that's what to do. I'll work as hard (if not harder) as the next person for something, but there comes a point when you wake up in Lineage 2 and ask yourself 'What the heck am I doing?' That's pretty much it. The game had the potential to be something but it only caters to exploiters. It's golden age ended when beta ended and the damage is done. The PVP system demonstrates perfectly how it's a game of exploits. And the developers either don't have the power or don't want to make simple improvements that could greatly enhance the game. Either case, you can't be confident in the support this game has (or doesn't.)
PKing done right is interesting, done wrong like in this game, is just sad to watch. Those that say it isn't a problem are probably beta testers who had the opportunity to learn the game from the safe beginning or have the benefit of real friends already in the game. To many new players, they don't have such an advantage and doubtful they would stick around long enough to attain the same level of skill.
Some would say good riddance, but I seriously doubt new LASTING players are making up the losses this game is experiencing. Those that murder everyone will rule no one later. Players have a choice, to not play.
Signed,
Ex-43rd level Phantom Ranger
Some free advice to whomever it applies to: If you want people to take you seriously in life, learn to spell.
that's casue Lineage II is one part of an on going story... eventually they will have x-packs to continue the story... Until the sequels come out people will be stuck pking and grinding out of simple boredom.
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Good, Evil, I'm the guy with the gun. -Ash, Army of Darkness-
I tryed really hard to like this game, since i spent 50 bucks on it, but it just isn't any good, the PKing in it is just rediculous, i tryed leveling 4 differant charecters in 4 differant areas and kept getting killed by ppl just walking by (way higher lvls too, whats the point in that??), anyway, yea unfortunatly it sux, in my opinion.
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Also it was meant to be a role playing type game .. you choose drow you play like a drow and pk the elves .. you play an elf oyu pk your enemies not your own race ... but people don't seem to understand that area of the game either.
WhoWha!!!
Good, Evil, I'm the guy with the gun. -Ash, Army of Darkness-
That's probably true. But I'm sure it will be too little, too late. You don't get a second chance to make a first impression.
Some free advice to whomever it applies to: If you want people to take you seriously in life, learn to spell.
WhoWha!!!
Good, Evil, I'm the guy with the gun. -Ash, Army of Darkness-
The reason you see alot of people bashing Lineage 2, isnt because they are bad people. They are just frustrated,. Because the same thing that happened to me, probably happened to them. Load up the game, wow pretty graphics, ok let me kill a Kelter, now 2, now etc 1,000,000,0000,000,000. Until you finally go oh crap there is no content whatsoever. Just another grind. So we get frustrated because theres this beautiful world, nice races. And it all stops there. The game could have been so sweet.
Lower Grind. More Content. Improved Karma system,. ban asian isps, no death penality in pvp, more than handful of faces, coughs *city of heroes, SWG, EQ2.
Somewhere in the design, someone made a beautiful game, then they let in retards for gameplay, and that is no joke. And the MMORPG review, was one of the best reviews it has got. Both PC Gamer and Computer gaming world completly slammed it. PC gamer gave them positives on box art.
The short answers to the question of what there is to do in L2...
1. Grind...and I mean serious grinding!
2. Try and avoid the farmers who regularly KS
3. Try to avoid the morons who play 18 hours a day and like nothing better than PK'ing you
This game could have been THE pinnacle instead it is a lowly mole hill
I tried lineage 2. Worst game ever. They need to character whipe everyone and start over. The sweatshop china men boting I thought was amazingly stupid. In order to have a market to sell stuff on ebay, you need to have players that enjoy the game. They just yell PK PK PK GO AWAY PK. If your even thinking about playing this game, DO NOT pay for a retail box, get it off a 7 day free trail, which I'm sure will be more than enough time to see for yourself how bad it is. The player community ruined this game beyond repair. Oh and there are no plans to fix any of this, how nice.
How sad,
. You know when the game was in development I liked what I saw, though there was a lot of potential. Seems like its own design is its own downfall from the looks of it. I was looking forward to playing this but I think I'll take a big pass on it now.
Kinda reminds me of Shadowbane. A lot of potential but its own design and how it forces players to do things one way is its own downfall. One thing I did like and love about both game is the point click movement systems. I wish more games or new mmorpg would use that. Both of these worlds look great and pvp is fun but if that is all there is to it then things suffer. Oh well.
Thanks for the opinions and warnings everyone.
Yeah don't bother with this one...
The PvP system is without a doubt the worste I've experienced thus far. Bot users are rampant and the community stinks (50% don't speak english and grief you with exploits every chance they get).
This game brings the worste out of people, so you most probably won't enjoy it unless you're a rotten scum bag yourself.
Answering your question, at lower levels (untill maybe about level 15), yes, you'll see alot of random PKing. That's mainly due to the 'lucky' skill which enables you to keep equipment on death only losing exp (it's de-activated after you reach level 5). A large part of the community (community...hah, it pains me to use that term and referring to Lineage 2's playerbase) at some point creates a low level character simply to kill new and/or low level people by twinking their new character with whatever gear they can and going berserk. Why do they do this? Because they're bored, the game really offers nothing to do other than killing mobs, over and over and over and over again.
After you reach level..let's say... 20, you'l be lucky if you even see someone purple (meaning, they initiated combat with someone and can be killed without a penalty), the penalties for PKing in this game are FAR too great for it even to be considered by most players. If you drop your weapon (90% of the time, just your weapon will cost more than twice the rest of your equipment) you have 3 choices, quit the game, sell all your equipment and start another character, or sell all your equipment, buy lower level gear and delevel 20 or 30 levels so you can actually get money from mobs you'll be able to kill with lower-grade equipment.
Griefing though...my GOD you'll see griefing. To sum it up this game will make you a racist against the chinese community. No questions asked. No buts. Trust me, you WILL spend 80% of your time in L2 at higher levels cursing at the chinese. If Bush played this game China would be nuked by now, that's a fact.
No one that plays L2 likes L2. Well, barely anyone.
I keep seeing people cry their @** off becuzz of the grind but the main reason Diablo 2 sucked is that you can be lvl 90 by the end of day 1 and 99 by day 2 (also is there anything else to MMO's besides grind grind grind he he ha ha im better than you), and i dont mean stupid little mini-games
this at least has politics and such in it with the seige system and the PK system works quite well now since they fixed some of the REALLY bad exploits
-Side note
people keep crying about alot of things of how this game sucks well how many of you actually waited till it was in chronical (which it is now) and why cry about 15$ i make that in an hour and a half and L2 keeps me entertained for a month with that 15$
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Bad game.. i tried for 3 months trying to like this game, I had 5 different characters between level 20-30. The grind kills the game most of all, along with adena farmers(which ARE as bad as people say), and dupes.
Chronicle 1 fixed nothing. All it did was add in an arena for PvP(and you know the PvP system has problems when people in an OPEN PvP game go to an arena to settle an arguement, hell, I could do that in any game), and it added castles, which you have to be 60+ to even have a chance of surviving for more than 10 seconds against the castle leaders.
Well I guess chronicle 2 will fix everything... just like chronicle 1 was supposed to.
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
Well this game was great thru beta and somewhat into release until you realized that the Devs aren't doing a thing about the big issues. Duping, Adena farming by Chinese players, clones of you running around you due to lack of customization, a level grind that is worse than any other game I've ever played, and I've played at least a dozen. I would keep my hands away from this.
Now it's sad that im the only fool who actually enjoys playing this game, I should probably post somewhere else cause it looks like you guys just wanna blow off so steam in this rant.
The only reason I am posting is because I used to feel the exact same way. Played to level 21 as an Elven Oracle, got sick of it, the grind, no character customization, PvP didn't seem to have any tactic just mindless slaughtering of noobs.
But... after playing CoH for a month I went screaming back OMG. CoH had a ton of character cust, there is almost no way two peeps could look the same. But the content was just so dull, no impact could be made on the game whatsoever by the people playing it.
So... I went back to L2 with low expectations... started brand new a new server... but all of a sudden I love the game, I started thinking of it in a different manner. Instead of wishing I could customize my characters face (which by the way we never look at up close to begin with), I was trying to find ways to customize my character with armor, and weapons.
As for the level grind ya it's quite a grind however... You can actually enjoy the grind depending on how you look at it. I mean if someone is level 50+ they sure have put a lot of time, energy and soul into their character to get them that high.
With hard work there comes unity within a group, for no one can survive alone in this game. Hell if you wanna just be the lone ranger, do quests, and every now and then go hunt then this damn sure isn't the right game for you. You need a good group to advance, personally and within your servers social rank.
Oh and all I can say about the damn chinese farmers is let it be, I don't understand chinese anyway so what the F*@# do I care.
Now like I said in the beginning i'm not trying to change anyones mind about this game cause it does have a lot of faults (just like any other game) EVERY other game, there is no universaly great game for most video game players unless you find a game that just tickles you button... gah.
You just need to pick a game, reveal it's faults, and be clever enough to know it's the way you perceive the game. A lot of faults within a game (not all) but a lot can be avoided just by the way you think.
NOTE: Whoever said this game has nothing to do in it, god buddy you need to either get off TI, or maybe just join a good clan that is actually going somewhere, that's what got me goin.
But maybe this is just the way I think and will onyl work for me, like I said, im a fool.
The problem with L2 is not L2 itself.
It's the game media that sort of try rush judge a game and filter away games and type of gamers that don't match their carefully crafted criteria given by competing corporate whistle blowers.
Ever wondered why some companies - which I won't name - insist on producing products that always cater around so called "casuals", "noobs", "carebears", etc, instead of trying to create a new culture of gaming that responds to new emerging paradigm?
They try to do everything to resist the change because if they don't do that then some other party gonna come to claim large chunk of their customer base as their own.
Why NA should be treated as casuals? Who did come out with this idea in the first place?
Why the hell every single game media is making us, NA players, look like geeks with no wit, carebears, and can-care-less-type-of-casual?
There are many hardcore dedicated clans players in NA passionate about gaming in general who are educated, who are professionals, who are gurus about everything high-tech but also has a lot of leisure time to play game.
You don't necessarily have to be loser to have more times.
Things gotta change in this business otherwise we will always stay where we are.
Lineage 2 appears to be game everyone loves to hate, from the players themselves to most official and unofficial players. Obviously there are a number of problems with this game; however, it seems the greatest problem is the player base.
The adena farmers exist because there is a real world market for their products. If players didn't spend money on ebay or on the half dozen web-sites selling adena, they would lose the incentive to farm. Market economy at work at its purist. To claim this problem exists becuase of the game's overly-expensive equipment is a red-herring. The prices of items are not different for one player or another. They maybe on the high end (and I would disagree considering some other games have expensive equipment requirements as well), but they are on the high end for everyone. The adena farmers exist because players become impatient in gaining levels and choose a quicker route.
Players tend to complain about the grind. I am confused about this as the majority of MMORPG's have a grind. One of the purposes of these games is to improve your character and level up. Certainly, you can roleplay, but the emphasis is on gaining levels and seeing your character improve both in skill and equipment. Regardless of claims, this is true for the majority of online roleplaying games. Even the much vaunted Anarchy Online or Dark Age of Camelot are grinds with roleplaying limited to a few isolated clans and organizations. That is the nature of MMORPGS and is not limited to Lineage 2.
The PvP can be problematic, particularly for new players. And, this is probably the most serious problem that could lead to the downfall of the game. Starting a human character is a matter of serious perseverence and sheer luck at avoiding the rampant harassment of new characters on Talking Island, the human character's starting town. On numerous occasions, players have literally been forced to remain in the protection of the township or be randomly killed by higher level characters. This, however, is a problem with the player base. It is certainly made worse by the game mechanic of losing experience from PvP regardless of level (after 5th) but it is still primarily a problem with the immature player base. As noted on another post, this problem becomes less of an issue on the main continent in the game world and certainly less of a problem at higher levels, a point that supports the notion that this is mainly a community problem and not solely a game mechanics problem.
Someone suggested that those killed in PvP not lose any experience. This is a sensible game mechanics solution, especially since killing another player does not garner experience (at least from my understanding, as I don't engage in PvP). This can mitigate the consequences of being randomly killed. Of course, there are those who would complain of such a mechanic. Alternates can be designed to this, such as lose of experience based on your own karma level or loss of experience from PvP only after after reaching say level 20 or level 40 (the important class change levels in the game). This, however, would still only remain a mitigating factor unless a change in the nature of the community occurred.
Hopefully, as chronicles are released changes will occur. And, to argue that no changes are occurring from the updates is false ... the question is will changes occur fast enough to save the game?
I for one, hope so. I enjoy lineage 2. The aesthetic value is amazing and well above the competition. The world is engaging and unique. If NCSoft addresses a few issues, and the player base becomes less annoying the game can become the best there is.
Anyway ... just my 3 cents.