ManHunt - Ban Volent Games!

Drazhar · July 2004

Sometime today when i got up out of my bed and switched on the TV and strayed onto one of the news channels i saw that the game Manhunt is no longer going to be sold in some UK stores after Warren Leblanc (17) murdered one of his friends, Stefan Pakeerah aged 14. Warren hit Stefan over the head with a hammer and then proceded to stab hit repeatedly. Stefan's parents blame Warren's motovations for killing their son on Warren's obsession with the Game ManHunt and are calling for a total ban on volent games.

other volent crimes have been blamed on videogames in the past; A German teenager Robert Steinhaeuser, who shot dead 13 teachers and two fellow pupils before turning the gun on himself, was reportedly an avid fan of the game Counter-Strike, admittadly not one of the most volent, but it is a FPS.

it was claimed teenage killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (Columbine High School: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3206561.stm im sure there are better links than this.) were influenced by games including Doom, which lead to a lawsuit of the game producers.

Im interetsed if you think that a ban on particually volent and molevolent games like ManHunt, Soldier oF Forturne and DooM should be banned because of the level of graphic volence and weather you think that a ban would have an affect on these sorts of crimes (Don't get me wrong, i have nothing agenst thoughs games, in fact im a big fan of the DooM games and i cant wait to get my hands on DooM3, but lets face it, they are pritty molevolent games!).

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Finwe · July 2004

Its a sad thing when people use games as an excuse for their demonic actions.

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Dekron · July 2004

Hell no they shouldn't be banned. It's just a scapegoat for parents who screwed up raising their kids. They don't want people to know what horrible freaking parents they are so they turn to video games.

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nooblet · July 2004

I think its stupid as hell that the parents blame the game. Im sorry but if your son is going around killing people , then its the f***ing parents fault and maybe the kid was demented , retarted , or extremely disturbed. Tons of people play counter-strike (including myself) and do i ever get the urge to shoot someone? NO. Its pathetic how the media and everyone else blames crap on video games for outrageous things. What about music videos? some of them are way worse then any game imo. Its the parents fault anyway for letting the kid play that game if they know hes that f***ed in the head , the guy that did that was obviously mental. I voted NO!

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metalfoxus · July 2004

I totally think violent games should be banned!!! I mean... after i played Resident Evil 2 when i was a kid, i... i just had the urge to kill innocent zombies!

binks · July 2004

I don't think violent games should be banned...but those ultra real violent ones should...the ones with a whole ton of blood and gore...

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TaskyZZ · July 2004

Kids violence like this started a while ago, about the same time as these violent video games like DOOM came out.

But...

Do you know what else started about this same time?

These crazy people who have been preaching that you should not spank your kids...

This violence is caused by kids not being punished for their actions and not being taught right and wrong?

If we had not stopped beating our kids, this stuff would never have happened.

A timeout, what a load of crap. My kids know what an ass whoopin is, and they are very well behaved now. I have not had to spank them in years because they know what it means to get an ass whoopin.

And, I tell ya what. Start the ass whoopins really early when it still hurts. You don't have to beat them too hard if you start while they are young. Memories are like that. Everything seemed bigger when you were a kid. The same goes for ass whoopins, they seemed like they hurt a lot more back then, so they will fear them more.

I even asked a lady at Safeway if she wanted me to spank her kid for her. The brat was running out of control. You should have seen the look on the kids face, he shaped up quick...

Munki · July 2004

this is funny.
But here is the Psycological reason behind some of it.

Most of these people blame video games, cause right now society is iffy about them.

Most of these people are at fault for never teaching there children, or getting help for the kids.
Its not the games, its the Parents fault ultimatly, but they would never want to blame themselves, so they look for any alternative, many of you know the fealing, its human nature not to want to take the blame for somthing horrible.

Its like the Micheal Jackson case, society will easily accept the fact that he did it beacuse he is weird.

You could ask almost anybody on the street and if they said "hes guilty" and you asked why.
Most would say "look at him, hes weird"

I would like to talk to some of these parents and find out more, but Im left with using cosiety as an example behind there reasoning.

EDIT:
Tasky I really hope you were being sarcastic about that.
Cause if you werent... you seariously need a smack. and a kick for that matter.

TaskyZZ · July 2004

If a kid damages somebody elses property, the parents have to pay for it.

If a kid commits a crime, the parent should get a penalty too. That should be reason enough to make parents wake up and see what the hell their kids are doing.

Kid steals something, let Dad spend a night in jail... Bet Dad shapes that kid up quick...

rathma · July 2004

Funny how they blame video games. Millions and millions of people play video games, and how many of these shooting incidents have there been, 3 in the past couple of years? I don't see the pattern....

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nooblet · July 2004

Originally posted by TaskyZZ

Kids violence like this started a while ago, about the same time as these violent video games like DOOM came out.
But...
Do you know what else started about this same time?
These crazy people who have been preaching that you should not spank your kids...
This violence is caused by kids not being punished for their actions and not being taught right and wrong?
If we had not stopped beating our kids, this stuff would never have happened.
A timeout, what a load of crap. My kids know what an ass whoopin is, and they are very well behaved now. I have not had to spank them in years because they know what it means to get an ass whoopin.
And, I tell ya what. Start the ass whoopins really early when it still hurts. You don't have to beat them too hard if you start while they are young. Memories are like that. Everything seemed bigger when you were a kid. The same goes for ass whoopins, they seemed like they hurt a lot more back then, so they will fear them more.
I even asked a lady at Safeway if she wanted me to spank her kid for her. The brat was running out of control. You should have seen the look on the kids face, he shaped up quick...

Uhh...I think thats seriously you wrong that you spanked your kids O.o I mean if he did something bad you could just yell at him and tell him its wrong or if its something annoying to stop. But beating him? that is just wrong.

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Munki · July 2004

Im gona take that as a yes you were seroius and take this entire post of mine to give you the whole run down on why Spanking is bad (wow I have a lot of free time)

First of all, its a kid, why would you want to hit a kid, I dont even hit my dog lol.
I was never spanked as a kid, and Quite frankly, according to my school records, and letters from preevious employers.

I am not badly manners, I am not a bad kid, I never shot or beaten anybody.
As a child, I was never spanked, why, beacuse thats cruel, thats just teaching your kid, if sombody does somthing you don't like, hit them until they stop.

Do you beat your wife when she gets upset at you? of wait, thats illegal...
Why should you beat your kid? HOW could you beat your kid? How could you willinging HURT a small child.
Kids dont make stuff up, they only do what they have been taught to do.
If you let your kid get away with anything when he was 1-2, hes gona try to get away with everything when hes 3+.

No kid is created more bad behaved, its all what you did to teach the child. If your kid needs to be PHYSICALY HURT, to listen to you, I think you should think about what YOU did wrong not the kid.

Spanking is Barbaric, again I bring up the point that you are causing PAIN and SUFFERING to a small child, a baby.. how would you like it if when you pissed your boss off he told you to band over and took a hand the size of your chest and hit you over the ass multiple times, its sick.

Maybe its just the fact that I think Hurting anybody is wrong, but I really have no empathy for anybody who thinks its okay to Beat there child, to physically hurt the child, to being martial law into there own home.

Its just sick

WOW I must say, that went just a wheee bit off topic, but hey, this is somthing i belive strongly about.

vrtldave · July 2004

I dont belive in hitting kids... but saying physical punishment barbaric is kinda dumb... when I was little I might have been hit once or twice... then I just learned not to do those things that made me get hit.... I still did them I was just craftier about making sure my parents didnt find out lol... though it does help learning right and wrong... but I say mental punishment is barbaric.... you can do more harm mentally to a kid by yelling and screaming and so fourth... its not about what method you use its about to what extent you use it to.... in other words you cant hit kids to hard or it will screw them up... and at the same time you cant yell at kids to harshly or they will again be come screwed up.... so you have to find equilirbrium... I think as long as you dont hit or yell to hard it should be parents decsion... *note I dont think you should hit kids but I think you should be able to as long as you know how far is to far...

LoD254 · July 2004

Blowing up a few mutated pigs (Duke Nukem) really don't seem like smething that would influence a RL slaughter. You might get into it enough that you would consider doing something, if you were around overweight people with hideous faces and have a rocket lancher... but thats unlikely.

Freedom of speech come in to play here. If someone wants to make it, its your choice to buy and use it. Violent video games have warning about what they contain. You don't see people sueing porn movie companies because their daughter got knocked up trying some of what they do... It's rediculous to blame the games. Blame the parents, the child... or as always, Canada.

bhug · July 2004

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... beating ::::15:: your kids to elicit brutal-fear ::::03:: to ensure your desires are followed just prepares kids for the RL, where breaking laws gets one sent to prison where their *ss gets raped ::::05:: by aids infected inmates that do not give a f what you do about that... so don't break laws ( or get set up by enforcement [patriot act]) and you don't get sent to prison! ::::06::
If the parent does not have the acumen to entice their children to follow "the right way," then the easy alternative is the fear response the child recognizes when they displease their parent (father.)
... to blame the games, tv, comic books, rock & roll music, ect. your kids occupy their leisure with (instead of studying,) is just a cop-out and feeble justification to remove pass times those younger types enjoy. (eg. reefer...) like the passtime was the actual problem! ::::12::
If the gov't wanted to strike ::::04:: fear in wrong doers, the punishment would fit the crime. Not humane, painless, quick execution after decades of litegous appeals. Rather prolonged painful to the point of death (mayby even resusication and painfully kill the criminal a few more times, ::::27:: [even letting the victim's relatives geting in on administering some aspect of painful torture...]) eg. a pickpocket thief after warning then loosing a hand or two likely will not do that crime again.... or even taken to the extreme a naging wife that gets stoned to death would do much to keep other women in their place.
Yea, thats da ticket ::::31:: get rid of those politicians that have to answer to voters and replace them with despotic religious fanatics that hear "voices" 'from G.' Let those "religous" leaders designate the groups worthy of homicide bombing or shunning or excumination... ::::29::

Trebek · July 2004

If you ever mention another word about this I WILL POUND YOUR PATHETIC SKULL IN WITH A HAMMER! ::::25::

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Finwe · July 2004

Geez, some of you people are sad. Spanking is bad? Are you kidding? Wth kinda BS they been teaching you? I mean its no wonder you have these little punkasses running around stabbing their classmates, shooting their teachers, etc. The list goes on.

Spanking doesnt break the kids bones, and it doesnt leave scars, (I should know, as a child I got my butt whooped alot. And to be fair, I did deserve it.)

And personally, I'm glad I got spanked, it gave me a certain amount of discipline, and I knew my parents loved me. Because they were never mean or cruel after the fact, but rather comforting. And I am sure as glad I got that instead of being screamed at, being called an idiot, among other things, feeling that my parents hate me, and mentally scarring.

For those of you that say that spanking your child is barbaric or whatnot, I seriously hope you change before you have children, or have none at all.

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SuperBeastDJ · July 2004

omg. What SHOUD be banned is for games to be banned becasue some kids parents THINK he killed someone BECAUSE of a GAME that DOSENT EVEN ENCOURAGE killing.

IF you son/daughter is THAT easily brainwashed by a game then why dont they listen to the stuff they see everyday and do stupid stuff? those kids would already be in mental hospitals JEEZ!

digitydarkman · July 2004

should they be banned.... hell no what kinda stupid question is that

Gundamit · July 2004

Well lets see. I say that should not ban them.

Look at how may games are sold to how many problems with those people.
Look at the past of each person. The video games were not the major factor.
If you truly think about it. Video game's have the reverse effect. After you finish playing the game your more relaxed.
Most parents of these kids never played a video game. And they see it threw different eyes then the kids.

There are lots more to think about.

Think of this:
If remember correct there was a kid that watched wresting and tryed a move on another kid and killed him. Do they want to ban all wrestling from the world. NO.

Also when was the last you hurd of a kid killing himself trying to doing a sport. You want to tell the world "HEY!, you can't do that you will get killed or kill someone else!" No your not.

If you want to make the whole world safe. It you never work because people would go crazy and end up killing everyone. NOT from a video game. but a lack of one.

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Dekron · July 2004

Originally posted by LoD254

You don't see people sueing porn movie companies because their daughter got knocked up trying some of what they do.

LMAO. Never thought of that! "But your honor, my little princess would have never done a DVDA if she didn't watch "Double Stuffin Muffins IX"! LOL

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Geist · July 2004

I heard a story about two kids (about the age of 14) killing an old man with a gun because they wanted to replay a scene in GTA 3. The parents wanted to sue the publisher of the game. I now ask you where did that stupid kids got the weapons from????

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Dekron · July 2004

Kind of messed up their story they did. There aren't any old men in GTA 3. Their are old women. I beat them down with the bat all the time. Hey here's another way to use videogames as a scapegoat!

Start Scene, takes place in a courtroom.

Judge: L.A. Officer Whiteman how do you plead to these charges of beating the hell out of another black man for no reason.

Officer Whiteman: Well, your honor, to tell the truth, I just played GTA 4, and their is this part where you go around beating the hell out of these haitans, and well, I, I lost my mind and thought I was playing the game and started beating the hell out of that black man for eating an ice cream cone.

Judge: Oh my! Why didn't you say so! Officer, you are free to go. It is not your fault. Video games made you do it. Let's slap a big lawsuit on the video game industry!

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Trajan13 · July 2004

Originally posted by TaskyZZ
If we had not stopped beating our kids, this stuff would never have happened.
A timeout, what a load of crap. My kids know what an ass whoopin is, and they are very well behaved now. I have not had to spank them in years because they know what it means to get an ass whoopin.
And, I tell ya what. Start the ass whoopins really early when it still hurts. You don't have to beat them too hard if you start while they are young. Memories are like that. Everything seemed bigger when you were a kid. The same goes for ass whoopins, they seemed like they hurt a lot more back then, so they will fear them more.
I even asked a lady at Safeway if she wanted me to spank her kid for her. The brat was running out of control. You should have seen the look on the kids face, he shaped up quick...
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It becomes neccesary sometimes to just ask WTF is wrong with some people.
I guess, according to the video game logic, Taskyzz beats the hell out of his innocent and quite defensless kids (Illegal in all 50 states BTW, and all countries of W Europe) because he played a video game where he beat the hell out of kids for being kids.
WTF. I don't think much more can be said than that. There is a place where they send people who would do something like that to a kid, it's called a PRISON. And if i believed in Hell, that would be the final destination.
As to the real question of this thread, the psychological research on small children (6-7 and younger) shows that things like TV and Video Games have a significant modeling effect on those kids, causing them to emulate behaviors they see, or act out in games. (such as the infamous "Bobo" experiment, where children saw someone hit a lifesize toy clown, and they followed suit.) Young children, not having developed a system of morals, or much cognitive independance, are easy to influence.
This has been taken as THE judgement on TV and Videogames. It is however incomplete. It simply proves what conventional wisdom tells us, really small children should not be playing DooM. However, after age 10-12, the morals and ethics of the individual have emerged. (they would be in the Conventional or Post-Conventional stage, according to Kohlberg) By age 14-15, video games can become Carthesas (it may not be spelled right). This means that they provide an outlet for anger or stress. I have found this among me and my friends. If i'm mad, i kill a virtual monster or 10, and I feel relieved. Much the same, videogames relieve stress as they are entertainment.
People also have an unsavory tendancy to blame thier faults on others. Therefore, NO ONE should take someone who blames games for thier or thier child's problems at face value.
I for one like videogames, and don't believe they are harmful to those mature enough to handle them, normally 14-15 and over. In the lower ages, violence should be tuned down.
Anyway, there are my thoughts and what i know, plz draw your own conclusions.

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Hyoukan · July 2004

Note: This reply is only based on the first post.

I do think that is very dumb. If a person gets obessed with a game, and copies it, chances are they already have some kinda mental problems to begin with. A totally sane person wont just go out and start killing people just because they see it in a game. If someone has problems like that it's the care-takers responcibility. If 10 people kill because of violent games at of the 100's of millions of people (as rathma pointed out) playing them, then it's really not the games fault. Hell, you can see violence on local TV stations, you dont even need cable to watch that. There's violence in the world, and I believe people are naturally violent by nature. I would rather those people take it out in a video game then being sheltered and having pent up rage. So like I said, there's violence, there's always gonna be violence, deal with it.

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Gindace · July 2004

Hmmm, let's see...games have ratings on them. You can't buy a game (at least here you can't) unless you meet the minimum requirement for that rating.

It's the parents fault...

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