I made enough for all of my B Grade (BoP and full Doom Light all +3) and all of my A Grade (Soul Bow and Full Majestic Leather all +3) by doing this quest and selling the level 6-10 Soul crystals for 100% profit. It took a considerable amount of time and I had a friend mule the extra crystals who I split the profits with(He got all of his high end gear from it too). This is just one of many ways to make money legit. I also played the market(Mainly buying SS cheap in one town and selling it in another for a decent profit). The Manor System is also Highly profitable if you know how to work it, I did it for a while but found Soul Crystals to be the most profit vs. time invested. You can make money legit in L2 if your willing to invest the time.
Bren
the Enchance your Weapon quest isen't that great, im amazed that you can make that much from it, unleass your saying you did it in the previous cronicle's where you coulden't buy em in shop (lvl 7 to 10)
i done it to and it's defintly worth picking up but it' dosen't bring you close to afford the grade gear you can use, and you also have to sell a lot off em in the end.
and Manor on populated server's you have to compete with farmer's over manor witch is very hard...
it's pretty much all about working the market unleass you get in the high lvl's 6x + and know what to do.
Ellyrion
i pick up on it all, good post btw.
EDIT: here's abit more info about the soul crystal quest.
The trick to not getting banned on L2 official forums but still be able to vent a little (although NcSoft probably doesn't care at all) is when there is already a post about bots that someone has made recently, just post in that so that the OP is to blame . Worked for me considering everytime I do criticize about it, I have yet to be banned.
This was truly a sad day. I lost a lot of motivation to play once this happened. I admit a LOT of my wealth ingame came from killing bots and their subsequent drops. I think a lot of legit players lost steam after that happened. It was one thing to have of bots around but to be able to kill them and take some of their stuff ie hurt them was another. But when we were no longer able to do that, it wasn't worth the time / effort pursuing them anymore.
My thinking is that you either REALLY got out of hand or were stupid and broke one of these. They even follow a 3-strikes rule, so unless this was your third strike or you said something REALLY bad, you wouldn't have been banned permanently. And you say all your accounts were banned? OK, so I'm leaning towards the YOU REALLY ARE GUILTY side of the story...
Ncsoft dosen't follow any rules, my first post was about bot's asking if it was okay to make a poll about bot's and then making a link to a image off how i wantet the poll...
they gave me no warning's or emails that my forum account got banned and i only know because once i try to register a forum account with one off my other's Plaync account's (i got 3 account's under the same Plaync) it tell's me im banned.
i haven't had any trouble's with gm's ever so it was just first strike, but they tell you they look in to bot's to so they just full off .......
Ok, I dont seem to be able to let this post go. I think its a great thing that we started this discussion, and then all have to choose what they think about the issues the game has.
But I think most of u guys forgot 1 big thing. U say u can eran money from "playing the market", "sell SS & sps for overprice" and do SA quest and sell the crystals. Well, there is one problem. If there wasnt any ppl ebaying I can assure u there would be no market to play. If there was no ebayers prolly most ppl would grind without SS and sps. And if there wasnt any ebayers u would have a very hard time selling your SA:s.
This is kinda funny. All the ideas u ppl have about how to make money is all addicted to the exsitence of ebayers (and ebayer money comes from bots).
Sooo, now we have a problem. I can assure you that a clean SoulBow wouldnt cost 90 millions if there wasnt ebayers or bots. Sooo once again, there we have the problem. This combined with tha lack of good rewards from quests. The adena.sellers has inflated the market so much. But at same time u cant live without them caue then there was no way u could earn money "legit". No money buying=no one will buy your overoriced stuff.
Think about this. Its kinda strange. But I guess u will have to accept it if u wanna play the game. Cause there seems to be "no way" for the company to stop it.
I made enough for all of my B Grade (BoP and full Doom Light all +3) and all of my A Grade (Soul Bow and Full Majestic Leather all +3) by doing this quest and selling the level 6-10 Soul crystals for 100% profit. It took a considerable amount of time and I had a friend mule the extra crystals who I split the profits with(He got all of his high end gear from it too). This is just one of many ways to make money legit. I also played the market(Mainly buying SS cheap in one town and selling it in another for a decent profit). The Manor System is also Highly profitable if you know how to work it, I did it for a while but found Soul Crystals to be the most profit vs. time invested. You can make money legit in L2 if your willing to invest the time.
Bren
the Enchance your Weapon quest isen't that great, im amazed that you can make that much from it, unleass your saying you did it in the previous cronicle's where you coulden't buy em in shop (lvl 7 to 10)
i done it to and it's defintly worth picking up but it' dosen't bring you close to afford the grade gear you can use, and you also have to sell a lot off em in the end.
and Manor on populated server's you have to compete with farmer's over manor witch is very hard...
it's pretty much all about working the market unleass you get in the high lvl's 6x + and know what to do.
Ellyrion
i pick up on it all, good post btw.
EDIT: here's abit more info about the soul crystal quest.
True as I haven't played since Interlude and I made most of my money back in C3-C4 as that is when I needed my gear for both grades. So if it has changed since Interlude I wouldn't know anything about that. Shame though as Crystal leveling was highly profitable. Seems like with every update they intentionally give more control of the economy to the farmers. One of the many reasons I stopped playing. But it still proves that at least at one time I did play legit and made all the Adena I needed for my gear without having to Ebay.
Peace out.
Edit: During late C4-Interlude I made most of my money by playing the market. I would keep a close eye on the player shops for certain mats and SS/BSpS and buy them out when it was cheap enough. Then I would move to a different town where I knew the going rate was higher and resell. This worked really well during C5 as the difference in SS/BSpS prices varied greatly between towns. Most of the time I would buy up A and B grade SS/BSpS in Giran or Aden and resell it in Rune or Goddard at a huge profit. I also had a Dwarf alt that made D-B Grade shots during C5 and he funded my main PR with his crafting and selling D-B grade Crystals(At times selling the crystals was more profitable then making shots from them as the market on crystals tended to fluctuate wildly at times).
Ok, I dont seem to be able to let this post go. I think its a great thing that we started this discussion, and then all have to choose what they think about the issues the game has.
But I think most of u guys forgot 1 big thing. U say u can eran money from "playing the market", "sell SS & sps for overprice" and do SA quest and sell the crystals. Well, there is one problem. If there wasnt any ppl ebaying I can assure u there would be no market to play. If there was no ebayers prolly most ppl would grind without SS and sps. And if there wasnt any ebayers u would have a very hard time selling your SA:s.
This is kinda funny. All the ideas u ppl have about how to make money is all addicted to the exsitence of ebayers (and ebayer money comes from bots). Sooo, now we have a problem. I can assure you that a clean SoulBow wouldnt cost 90 millions if there wasnt ebayers or bots. Sooo once again, there we have the problem. This combined with tha lack of good rewards from quests. The adena.sellers has inflated the market so much. But at same time u cant live without them caue then there was no way u could earn money "legit". No money buying=no one will buy your overoriced stuff.
Think about this. Its kinda strange. But I guess u will have to accept it if u wanna play the game. Cause there seems to be "no way" for the company to stop it.
This is an assumption on your part based on hindsight and some knowledge of the online situation. Kind of pointless if you're actually asking.
There would always be a price, whether it would be in the milions as opposed to 10's or 100's of millions who knows. The point is it would be something likewise affordable.
It was so in closed beta and even up to and around C1. Most of the e-bay craze kicked off with C2 when everyone rolled into C/B grade and wanted to be the first to own a castle. Those days were crazy and you could tell overnight who did it, as whole clans re-equipped from a mixture of D and low C grades into top C/B.
But I digress, IMO if there were no e-bayers, then the community would set the price over time. EQ1 was a good example of that. The money was worthless as most of the best gear was no drop and e-baying pointless, ppl still e-bayed, but they were largely unguilded and generally couldn't raid. On a plus side it gave the guild crafters a chance to ply their trade, and sell some wares as opposed to equipping their twinks to see how far they could get with subpar gear.
By and large though the prices were set realistically and you did not have to e-bay to be able to afford even the best crafted equipment.
Looking back on L2 crafting, though, I would argue you will find it is one of the principle reasons for e-baying. And its not because getting mats is a grind !
The critical flaw is the 60% success rate on A Grade and higher recipes.
This has hurt legit players massively since C3. NCSoft should have included 100% recipes for higher grades of crafting, and kept the 3:1 ratio of materials which they had established in B Grade. I have written before about the duality of L2. The time for collecting mats and crafting is time away from the ultimate reason for playing the game. I'm sure noone would argue that its a good way of psychological attachment to your character IOT ensure you continue your subscription. But there are limits on how much game time you should spend away from your main effort in the game, L2 seriously challenges you in this domain.
I have long accepted this challenge of duality, but I am not a fan of double jeopardy. Collecting mats and recipes for a few months to fail at the push of a button takes some strong resolve to overcome...If you have to look at flaws in L2 this is pretty much the fundamental one for me!!
As to whether there would be a market ? Heck yes, you don't need to play in the end game to see why.
People would always overenchant and blow stuff up, the whole SA for duals process is one huge money sink. Where there is an open economy and a constant demand for goods then there will always be money to be made.
Have legit players profited off e-bayers ? Without a doubt, but at least I profited legitimately P
To add to Ellyrion's post above......None of us that have stated that we played legit have stated that no one eBayed as a lot did. We are just answering the statements made by others in this thread that it is impossible to play without eBaying because we did it. Whether or not we profited from the eBayers is totally beside the point as we made our Adena legitimately and would have made the same amount or more if no eBaying took place in relation to the inflated economy. Did we profit from the eBayers? Absolutely. Would we have made any less Adena without the eBayers? Probably but the economy would have been different without all of the eBaying so our lower profits would have been offset by lower priced items so we still would have made more than enough to buy the gear we needed. The outcome would have been exactly the same.
To add to Ellyrion's post above......None of us that have stated that we played legit have stated that no one eBayed as a lot did. We are just answering the statements made by others in this thread that it is impossible to play without eBaying because we did it. Whether or not we profited from the eBayers is totally beside the point as we made our Adena legitimately and would have made the same amount or more if no eBaying took place in relation to the inflated economy. Did we profit from the eBayers? Absolutely. Would we have made any less Adena without the eBayers? Probably but the economy would have been different without all of the eBaying so our lower profits would have been offset by lower priced items so we still would have made more than enough to buy the gear we needed. The outcome would have been exactly the same.
Bren
the only point you all made is your forced to work the market to have any succes in this game concering the economic's, all the other respones are either useless know, or only usefull for 0,1 % off the new player's.
i don't agree with the thread starter that you have to ebay but without it and not working the market you will stay poor, and some classes loses adena's hunting, so it is a very hard economic.
To add to Ellyrion's post above......None of us that have stated that we played legit have stated that no one eBayed as a lot did. We are just answering the statements made by others in this thread that it is impossible to play without eBaying because we did it. Whether or not we profited from the eBayers is totally beside the point as we made our Adena legitimately and would have made the same amount or more if no eBaying took place in relation to the inflated economy. Did we profit from the eBayers? Absolutely. Would we have made any less Adena without the eBayers? Probably but the economy would have been different without all of the eBaying so our lower profits would have been offset by lower priced items so we still would have made more than enough to buy the gear we needed. The outcome would have been exactly the same.
Bren
the only point you all made is your forced to work the market to have any succes in this game concering the economic's, all the other respones are either useless know, or only usefull for 0,1 % off the new player's.
i don't agree with the thread starter that you have to ebay but without it and not working the market you will stay poor, and some classes loses adena's hunting, so it is a very hard economic.
Actually new players have it a LOT easier than we did which is a good thing. When we started you had to buy EVERYTHING yourself. Not to mention that you couldn't even use SS until you could afford a mid-no grade weapon. Now newbies get to use SS from the get go and even get handed a pile of it right at the start of the game. Also by doing the starter area quests you can basically get enough Newb SS to take you almost to level 20.
Also with the armor/weapon trade-ins you can do now you can start off with low no-grade items and swap your way up to the highest no-grade without spending any extra Adena as you get the exact trade in amount for any piece that you paid for it. Trading your gear up in this way you end up only paying the amount you would have paid for the top items but you get to pay in installments. When we played you had to pay full price for each item and you basically had to eat the item you were replacing because if it wasn't top No-grade no one would buy it so you were forced in many cases to vender the item.
With the new academy system you can basically get decent D-Grade armor for what we paid for 1 piece of armor at level 20. This allows new players to only concentrate on getting a good D-Grade weapon. I had to grind and work the system all the way to level 30 before I even had a complete set of D-Grade let alone anything like the clan armor they have today.
You are right in that our info is dated as it's a lot easier to get started now than it was when we started. Now players don't even feel the economic crunch until level 40 when they need C-grade and the way the game is set up now if they are smart they will have saved up enough for that already. The economy is still rough on the uneducated but nothing like it was.
After all these post still nobody has given a clear way of making Adena. I read the Sticky on making money but they should change the title to Saving Money and not Making Money. It also stated that you should make a Dwarf to craft your SS but nobody wants to level 2 characters just to enjoy playing 1. As for playing the Market which is buying low and selling high you cant do any of that if you dont have money to start with. I will give a clear example of what I am talking about. I got a friend who just started not too long ago and I think he is LV 28 now. He has Clan Oath Armor and is currently using Shadow Weapons. He is trying to figure out how to make money becuase he wants to get some D Grade Jewels and all the money he makes from the Manor goes toward Soul Shots and porting to the hunting grounds. Now tell me how a player like this that has nonthing can start making Adena?
Your friend needs to ebay, like the game designers intended.
The loading screen for this game should read "You're back? You didn't give up yet? Well then, lets see what we can do to make you quit today! MUAHAHAHA!!!"
After all these post still nobody has given a clear way of making Adena. I read the Sticky on making money but they should change the title to Saving Money and not Making Money. It also stated that you should make a Dwarf to craft your SS but nobody wants to level 2 characters just to enjoy playing 1. As for playing the Market which is buying low and selling high you cant do any of that if you dont have money to start with. I will give a clear example of what I am talking about. I got a friend who just started not too long ago and I think he is LV 28 now. He has Clan Oath Armor and is currently using Shadow Weapons. He is trying to figure out how to make money becuase he wants to get some D Grade Jewels and all the money he makes from the Manor goes toward Soul Shots and porting to the hunting grounds. Now tell me how a player like this that has nonthing can start making Adena?
Well I have some advice that I believe is still relevant no matter how they have changed the game since I played last. First of all there is no easy or quick way to make money when starting from nothing short of eBaying which I take from your post is not an option nor should it be.
The number one thing I can suggest is stop teleporting and run to the hunting spots. This does take more time but tele's can really add up over time. Running is free. The second thing I can suggest is to farm. Find some green or light blue mobs you can kill with little or no SS and kill a whole lot of them. Make sure they are not dark blue or you'll get no drops from them. Greens are Ideal as the drop rates on light blues are reduced but if you have to do light blues to use no SS they will do, it will just take longer. This is very time consuming but can get you that starting capital you need to try some of the other methods like playing the market. This game requires vast amounts of patience and persistence when starting from scratch to succeed.
Edit: Oh and one more thing. You'll get a whole lot of basic mats doing this(Coal, Steel, Charcoal, etc.....). DON'T SELL THEM TO THE VENDORS!! Take them to Giran and sell them in the player buy shops there as you will get a lot more for them. If no one is buying a certain mat throw it in the WH and check again the next time you come back to sell. Also if you want more from them don't be afraid to set up your own shop to sell them. Selling them yourself will maximize your profit from them but it takes your character out of action while he sells. I used to just leave mine on in player shop mode all night while I slept. You can make millions just from selling these basic mats alone.
Actually new players have it a LOT easier than we did which is a good thing. When we started you had to buy EVERYTHING yourself. Not to mention that you couldn't even use SS until you could afford a mid-no grade weapon. Now newbies get to use SS from the get go and even get handed a pile of it right at the start of the game. Also by doing the starter area quests you can basically get enough Newb SS to take you almost to level 20.
1 to 20 dosen't take long and it diden either in the old day's, maybe new player's do get free soulshot's and other stuff but in the really old day's it wasen't requried to spam soulshot's for party's, and they where also more people around to party with.
not to mention the highest lvl was 75 or something and you weren't requried to grind for month's until you could catch up with the general population that pvped.
Also with the armor/weapon trade-ins you can do now you can start off with low no-grade items and swap your way up to the highest no-grade without spending any extra Adena as you get the exact trade in amount for any piece that you paid for it. Trading your gear up in this way you end up only paying the amount you would have paid for the top items but you get to pay in installments. When we played you had to pay full price for each item and you basically had to eat the item you were replacing because if it wasn't top No-grade no one would buy it so you were forced in many cases to vender the item.
that's only for NG your just mentiong stuff that only save's player's for a couple off 10000 adena's or 50000 adena's witch is nothing at all, and yet again in the old day's when they was more people around you could buy they ng weapon's and sell your own to another player...
With the new academy system you can basically get decent D-Grade armor for what we paid for 1 piece of armor at level 20. This allows new players to only concentrate on getting a good D-Grade weapon. I had to grind and work the system all the way to level 30 before I even had a complete set of D-Grade let alone anything like the clan armor they have today.
not true at all the D grade oath armor set's are 722 D crystal's for Light or Robe and 922 D crystal's for Heavry armor, that's 400-500k Adena's give or take abit, and you can buy just as good armor's in NPC shop's that are just as good or a marginaly difference in the stuff for same adena prices.
and know you still grind to a high lvl to get a good armor, unleass you ignore your weapon and go for armor or someone give's a armor to you.
You are right in that our info is dated as it's a lot easier to get started now than it was when we started. Now players don't even feel the economic crunch until level 40 when they need C-grade and the way the game is set up now if they are smart they will have saved up enough for that already. The economy is still rough on the uneducated but nothing like it was.
saved enof for C grade how? you can't even afford top D grade at 40 unleass you worked your ass off on the market.
it's a matter off opinion that it's easier or not easier to start over know then it was in the old day's mine is that it isen't.
your getting as a new player.
a few newbie soulshot's that last to lvl 18 and spirtshout's that last to 22 or something
newbie buff's from 7 to 39
10 travler's token's to port between starter town's
diminsion dimanond's for the second class change's quest's for free port's
upgrading your NG weapon's or armor's at the local npc shop's in starter town's
herb's that now drop from mob's either restoring life or mana, or 2 minute's buff's
clan oath armor's (you still have to pay alot for em)
what your losing on the other hand is
almost no player's to party with
almost no pvp
long way to go to cautch up for pve party's or such
Sorrowho.......I'm trying my hardest to be nice to you but I have to say that you're just as full of BS as you ever have been. I don't have time to pick apart you're whole reply so I'll just do one part for now. You can buy equivalent D grade to the clan armor for 400-500k eh? This is total BS. The D grade Clan stuff is only marginally less in stats and armor rating then Brigandine or Mithril, the top D grades and you get a whole set for that price including the helm. A Brigandine BP or a Mithril Robe will run you 400-500k alone and don't forget how much Brigandine Helms sell for. You get one piece for the same price as a whole set of clan armor. So how am I wrong?
Edit: Oh and one more thing. There is a lot of ignorance in your posts about this game that any true Vet can spot in a second. Number one thing that I can spot in this post is you don't have a clue what the max levels have been over the years. When I started max level was 50(May have even been 40 in early beta) and it was put up in increments through the early chronicles. It went from 50 to 60 to 75 and finally to 80. Just this alone tells me that you don't know a damn thing about the "Old Days" and you're just talking out of your ass. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about please as it just makes you look stupid.
Levels 1-20 are no problem at all. At level 20 you can get the Clan Armor with the help of a good clan because you probaly wont have the adena for the 922 D Grade Crystals for the Armor, and you also have the use of Shadow Weapons that can get you to level 40 if you use the correctly. Its the time in between LV 20-40 that you need to make enough Adena so you can afford C Grade Gear. There is only one real way that I can think of that it a legit way of making the money to afford C Grade. If you hunt in the Catacombs from 20 to 40 and save all your Ancient Adena that you get from your contribution of seal stones then you should be able to sell that AA for regular Adena and make some money. I see the AA rate on Bartz is like 4/1 and sometimes even 5/1 so thats a good money maker. I also forgot that they had made it even easier now at level 40 because you can get some C Grade Armor, C Grade Jewels and a C Grade Weapon from the Luxury shop for the exchange of C Grade crystals I think which is cheaper than buying for players. I guess you are on your own for B Grade and up. Sigh
I guess you are on your own for B Grade and up. Sigh
Saying that you're on your own from B grade onwards pretty much summs up that you've not listened to a word of advice from anyone here.
You know, if you're going to ignore the reply don't ask the question.
Ppl have given you some general ideas on how to make Adena, but noone is going to spoonfeed you. There is information which you seek out there and it may not necessarily be on these forums.
I don't think L2 was a wise choice of MMO for you if you still haven't grasped that this is not a solo game...
Sorrowho.......I'm trying my hardest to be nice to you but I have to say that you're just as full of BS as you ever have been. I don't have time to pick apart you're whole reply so I'll just do one part for now. You can buy equivalent D grade to the clan armor for 400-500k eh? This is total BS. The D grade Clan stuff is only marginally less in stats and armor rating then Brigandine or Mithril, the top D grades and you get a whole set for that price including the helm. A Brigandine BP or a Mithril Robe will run you 400-500k alone and don't forget how much Brigandine Helms sell for. You get one piece for the same price as a whole set of clan armor. So how am I wrong?
Edit: Oh and one more thing. There is a lot of ignorance in your posts about this game that any true Vet can spot in a second. Number one thing that I can spot in this post is you don't have a clue what the max levels have been over the years. When I started max level was 50(May have even been 40 in early beta) and it was put up in increments through the early chronicles. It went from 50 to 60 to 75 and finally to 80. Just this alone tells me that you don't know a damn thing about the "Old Days" and you're just talking out of your ass. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about please as it just makes you look stupid.
Bren
i useally have you on ignore so it's okay...
and no im not talking about top brigadine set, mithril robe set or knowglede set, witch are very exespensive im talking about normal armor's with out set bonuses since i said you could buy em in shop.
i don't consider the set bonuses that great at all, and if you are a caster i recommend a devaotion set since it's cheaper and faster casting speed...
and about lvl's i might be roung that in prelude you coulden't reach 75 but you could in C1
Originally posted by newbloodd you also have the use of Shadow Weapons that can get you to level 40
unleass your poloing or doing raidbosses, (note raidboss group's are often exespensive) with the shadow weapon's they aren't gonna last to over 30...
if you use the correctly. Its the time in between LV 20-40 that you need to make enough Adena so you can afford C Grade Gear. There is only one real way that I can think of that it a legit way of making the money to afford C Grade. If you hunt in the Catacombs from 20 to 40 and save all your Ancient Adena that you get from your contribution of seal stones then you should be able to sell that AA for regular Adena and make some money. I see the AA rate on Bartz is like 4/1 and sometimes even 5/1 so thats a good money maker. I also forgot that they had made it even easier now at level 40 because you can get some C Grade Armor, C Grade Jewels and a C Grade Weapon from the Luxury shop for the exchange of C Grade crystals I think which is cheaper than buying for players. I guess you are on your own for B Grade and up. Sigh
you still need adena's for the crystal's to buy stuff in luxery shop and such, but im not even sure what your point is :S ??
I guess you are on your own for B Grade and up. Sigh
Saying that you're on your own from B grade onwards pretty much summs up that you've not listened to a word of advice from anyone here.
You know, if you're going to ignore the reply don't ask the question.
Ppl have given you some general ideas on how to make Adena, but noone is going to spoonfeed you. There is information which you seek out there and it may not necessarily be on these forums.
I don't think L2 was a wise choice of MMO for you if you still haven't grasped that this is not a solo game...
Regards,j
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
Where has somebody posted a REAL WAY of making money?
1. Make a Dwarf to craft SS? Nobody should have to make 2 characters to play one.
2. Level up and sell Soul Crysals? Cant do that anymore since they are sold in the shops now.
3. Play the Market? Thats pretty much based on Luck and too time consuming for people who have real lives.
4. Do the Manor System? The money from the Manor System is only enough to pay for Soul Shots and the cost of porting to the hunting grounds.
Of all the post made here I am the only person that gave a Clear Way of making adena and and I am one of the people who is asking how. Save all your AA from doing 7 Signs and sell it. Now you see how easy that was? One sentence that was clear and to the point. Can you do the same? You say I have not read anything here so a reply from anybody on this thread thats a money maker.
So since you are the one to come out and talk like this is not hard at all I want you Ellyrion to tell me your way of making Adena and dont tell anybody that this game is not for them when they are asking probaly the most asked question about this game. Also I never said that this was a solo game. When I said that you are on your own at B Grade I meant that there was no help like before at LV 20 you got Clan Armor and Shadow Weapons and at LV 40 you had the Luxury Shop selling cheap gear. At B Grade you have nonthing but the market so thats what I meant by being on your own. I guess you meant that you should be in a clan but just becasue you are in a clan does that mean that you dont have to worry about adena anymore?
Where has somebody posted a REAL WAY of making money? 1. Make a Dwarf to craft SS? Nobody should have to make 2 characters to play one. 2. Level up and sell Soul Crysals? Cant do that anymore since they are sold in the shops now. 3. Play the Market? Thats pretty much based on Luck and too time consuming for people who have real lives. 4. Do the Manor System? The money from the Manor System is only enough to pay for Soul Shots and the cost of porting to the hunting grounds.
Manor is pretty good at some lvl's and some spot's where you earn some nice buck's and defintly more then you spend, but it does has problem's and espeacilly trying to compete aginst farmer's Of all the post made here I am the only person that gave a Clear Way of making adena and and I am one of the people who is asking how. Save all your AA from doing 7 Signs and sell it. Now you see how easy that was? One sentence that was clear and to the point. Can you do the same? You say I have not read anything here so a reply from anybody on this thread thats a money maker.
Seven sing's isen't the only way forward at all and has a lot off downside's, they's no good quest's down in Catacomb's or Necropolish not to mention no Hearb drop's and you probly need a group to take em down...
Then they probly filled with farmer's, and at some lvl's depending on what's aviiable to hunt you can earn a lot more on solo hunting spot's then farming AA So since you are the one to come out and talk like this is not hard at all I want you Ellyrion to tell me your way of making Adena and dont tell anybody that this game is not for them when they are asking probaly the most asked question about this game. Also I never said that this was a solo game. When I said that you are on your own at B Grade I meant that there was no help like before at LV 20 you got Clan Armor and Shadow Weapons and at LV 40 you had the Luxury Shop selling cheap gear. At B Grade you have nonthing but the market so thats what I meant by being on your own. I guess you meant that you should be in a clan but just becasue you are in a clan does that mean that you dont have to worry about adena anymore?
Sorrowho.......I'm trying my hardest to be nice to you but I have to say that you're just as full of BS as you ever have been. I don't have time to pick apart you're whole reply so I'll just do one part for now. You can buy equivalent D grade to the clan armor for 400-500k eh? This is total BS. The D grade Clan stuff is only marginally less in stats and armor rating then Brigandine or Mithril, the top D grades and you get a whole set for that price including the helm. A Brigandine BP or a Mithril Robe will run you 400-500k alone and don't forget how much Brigandine Helms sell for. You get one piece for the same price as a whole set of clan armor. So how am I wrong?
Edit: Oh and one more thing. There is a lot of ignorance in your posts about this game that any true Vet can spot in a second. Number one thing that I can spot in this post is you don't have a clue what the max levels have been over the years. When I started max level was 50(May have even been 40 in early beta) and it was put up in increments through the early chronicles. It went from 50 to 60 to 75 and finally to 80. Just this alone tells me that you don't know a damn thing about the "Old Days" and you're just talking out of your ass. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about please as it just makes you look stupid.
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i useally have you on ignore so it's okay...
and no im not talking about top brigadine set, mithril robe set or knowglede set, witch are very exespensive im talking about normal armor's with out set bonuses since i said you could buy em in shop.
i don't consider the set bonuses that great at all, and if you are a caster i recommend a devaotion set since it's cheaper and faster casting speed...
and about lvl's i might be roung that in prelude you coulden't reach 75 but you could in C1
check out the picture, they weren't really skill's after 50 or 60 tho but you could get up there...
so plz if i am so roung about what im saying take your time and post it...
lol....even in this post your ignorance of L2 shows through brilliantly. Devotion set is No-grade not D grade and you CAN buy most of both the Brigandine and Mithril sets in the armor shop from NPC vendors. I'm really starting to think you don't even play L2 and are just a troll. Your ignorance is staggeringly obvious even to someone who only played L2 for a short while. I'm through arguing with you as I've noticed most of the other vets who post here have given up on you as well as few of them ever reply to your obviously ignorant rants.
Edit: Oh and if you knew anything about L2 you'd know that the Mithril set offers +1 Wit which equates to faster casting speed. But please keep posting as every post you make just proves me more and more correct about you.
Originally posted by newbloodd Where has somebody posted a REAL WAY of making money? 1. Make a Dwarf to craft SS? Nobody should have to make 2 characters to play one. 2. Level up and sell Soul Crysals? Cant do that anymore since they are sold in the shops now. 3. Play the Market? Thats pretty much based on Luck and too time consuming for people who have real lives. 4. Do the Manor System? The money from the Manor System is only enough to pay for Soul Shots and the cost of porting to the hunting grounds. Of all the post made here I am the only person that gave a Clear Way of making adena and and I am one of the people who is asking how. Save all your AA from doing 7 Signs and sell it. Now you see how easy that was? One sentence that was clear and to the point. Can you do the same? You say I have not read anything here so a reply from anybody on this thread thats a money maker. So since you are the one to come out and talk like this is not hard at all I want you Ellyrion to tell me your way of making Adena and dont tell anybody that this game is not for them when they are asking probaly the most asked question about this game. Also I never said that this was a solo game. When I said that you are on your own at B Grade I meant that there was no help like before at LV 20 you got Clan Armor and Shadow Weapons and at LV 40 you had the Luxury Shop selling cheap gear. At B Grade you have nonthing but the market so thats what I meant by being on your own. I guess you meant that you should be in a clan but just becasue you are in a clan does that mean that you dont have to worry about adena anymore?
LOL, I'll give you points for persistance... Ok here's another crack at this.
First of all," how do I make money ?", is too broad a question within the context of the game to ask. You need to refine your questions to how to I do something with X particular class(es), with X equipment and X much time on my hands IOT get X item crafted or quest done. That is a question which is likely to yield a response you're after.
General questions will get general answers.
Dwarfs. When ppl tell you to make a dwarf there is an assumption on their part that you understand the L2 economy. If you do then nothing further needs to be said...
if not then you need to do some research on the Dwarfs. Learn the difference between spoil and craft !
Understand how spoil works within the context of the game, where to spoil specific mats from and subsequently spend some time understanding the effort required in combining the materials into items. As simple as an explanation as this appears to you, thats it, its not rocket surgery.
Find the right material, make a dwarf of the right level and spend a lot of time online getting said material. That is the formula, this is what farmers do, except they cheat by making automated programs run their chars 24/7 whereas you choosing not to cheat can't due to RL...
There is no shortcut, noone mentioned one.
Same same for the crafters, collect recipes as you level up set up shops to allow ppl to craft, charge money for crafting OR sell your crafted goods. There is no mystical formula here.The point about Dwarven crafters is that they are the ones who "effect" the creation so you cut out a 3rd party in the crafting process.
If I have to craft, I would need to insert a dwarf between what I contribute in materials/recipes and where I obtain profit from selling stuff. The dwarf gets paid irrespective whether my combine succeeds or not...If you don't have a clan and you have seen what ppl charge to craft B grade + weapons, jewellery and armour then you can understand why many are keen to cut this step out and make their own Dwarfs. This is another reason why soloing doesn't work you do not make enough to cover this range of expenses. A 9 pers regular group can and does it relatively quickly assuming at least a sensible balance of classes.
The cash "making" step comes in with higher grade items and consumables because you have far less competition at higher levels in the production of high end equipment and far more throughput irrespective of competition on the consumables. This is why ppl make Dwarfs.
The higher the level of your Dwarf/craft skill the better off you will be. During the levelling process you can also sell the intermediate combines. There is a lot of money to be made in those as ppl in that period of item creation are often in a "rush" to finish, and will pay you a higher premium for them.
On crystals... BUY the lv 10 crystal and raid to level it to 11, 12 and 13. Its still profitable .... Noone is tying up your hands and stopping you from joining a clan ... right ?
On working the market... Other than the brilliant buy low, sell high gobbledigook, you need to understand the "demand" on your server. What do ppl actually want? Do some market research, sorry yes, this takes more time...
Of f the different crafting options out there the most widely used method of money making, is to obtain D and C grade swords, upgrade them to the top sword for each grade through the BS of Mammon, yes this is where you spend your AA, don't sell it, and combine them into the duals of the next grade. You then overenchant them as much as possible until such time as you are either happy with the +on the weapon and set up shop, or wind up with a inv full of crystals which you turn into SS. You subsequently spend the next week or two selling SS and start again. At some point your luck will hold and you will get your uber o/e'd weapon which sells for big money. Wash, rinse, repeat....
BTW, this is where your "DWARF" spoiler makes a "comeback" IOT to spoil recipes and enchant scrolls off the mobs. If you don't know which mobs spoil what, do some research on L2 warehouse. As stated before NO FAST CASH here , you will earn every adena !
I concede your clarification of the "I guess you're on your own comment". I did misunderstand it.
I will take you to task though, on showing me where I ever said that anything was easy in this game ? There may be some "easy" choices in some context, but there is nothing that comes easy in L2, and I believe I have managed expectations of any new player accordingly within my posts.
In terms of questions overall, the older players will not hesitate to clear things up or discuss (often heatedly) various aspects of the game BUT they will not spoon feed you and give you a walk through for L2.
Now, I've given you more than a hint on where to find more answers. If you are a casual player and can't be stuffed doing any of this. You are left with 2 choices (the 3rd one is illegal). Lower your expectations and learn to play within your means or find a clan which will support you !
let's take this from the top i start bye responding to one off your post's where i say
not true at all the D grade oath armor set's are 722 D crystal's for Light or Robe and 922 D crystal's for Heavry armor, that's 400-500k Adena's give or take abit, and you can buy just as good armor's in NPC shop's that are just as good or a marginaly difference in the stuff for same adena prices.
then you start saying
Sorrowho.......I'm trying my hardest to be nice to you but I have to say that you're just as full of BS as you ever have been. I don't have time to pick apart you're whole reply so I'll just do one part for now. You can buy equivalent D grade to the clan armor for 400-500k eh? This is total BS. The D grade Clan stuff is only marginally less in stats and armor rating then Brigandine or Mithril, the top D grades and you get a whole set for that price including the helm. A Brigandine BP or a Mithril Robe will run you 400-500k alone and don't forget how much Brigandine Helms sell for. You get one piece for the same price as a whole set of clan armor. So how am I wrong?
then i say
no im not talking about top brigadine set, mithril robe set or knowglede set, witch are very exespensive im talking about normal armor's with out set bonuses since i said you could buy em in shop.
so here is your last post
lol....even in this post your ignorance of L2 shows through brilliantly. Devotion set is No-grade not D grade and you CAN buy most of both the Brigandine and Mithril sets in the armor shop from NPC vendors. I'm really starting to think you don't even play L2 and are just a troll. Your ignorance is staggeringly obvious even to someone who only played L2 for a short while. I'm through arguing with you as I've noticed most of the other vets who post here have given up on you as well as few of them ever reply to your obviously ignorant rants.
Edit: Oh and if you knew anything about L2 you'd know that the Mithril set offers +1 Wit which equates to faster casting speed. But please keep posting as every post you make just proves me more and more correct about you.
i don't know why you think im talking about the Brigadine set armor or such but here's the armor's im talking about
that's not a big p.def differnce and the Dwarven Scale one's are cheaper then 922 D crystal's for the Clan Oath Armor, all you get is some set bonuss that might not be that great.
you get a helm, gloves and boot's to with the oath armor but you can buy stuff like that from a NPC shop
and yes i know that you can buy Brigandine tunic upper part and lower part in shop but not as a set cause you be missing the helm or shield, same with mithril set or knowglede set you be missing the gloves.
and i know Devotion set is NG and i never said it wasen't but i still recommend it cause off the faster cast rate, and a lot cheaper then a clan oath robe armor...
i also know the mithril set adds 1+wit but that's not as much casting speed as devoition set
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the Enchance your Weapon quest isen't that great, im amazed that you can make that much from it, unleass your saying you did it in the previous cronicle's where you coulden't buy em in shop (lvl 7 to 10)
i done it to and it's defintly worth picking up but it' dosen't bring you close to afford the grade gear you can use, and you also have to sell a lot off em in the end.
and Manor on populated server's you have to compete with farmer's over manor witch is very hard...
it's pretty much all about working the market unleass you get in the high lvl's 6x + and know what to do.
Ellyrion
EDIT: here's abit more info about the soul crystal quest.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1836061#1836061
The advice: and the reality!
Manor system: You can't beat bots to the sell fruits!
Crystal leveling: Use to be effective, now they are unsellable!
Training farmers: they don't drop gear anymore!
Get upgraded by the clan: The clan goods go to the MVP (aka the guy that ebayed top gear)!
Save up your money from XP grinds: It costs more to XP than you get in drops!
Play the market: And spend the rest of your life AFK sitting down in Giran.
The trick to not getting banned on L2 official forums but still be able to vent a little (although NcSoft probably doesn't care at all) is when there is already a post about bots that someone has made recently, just post in that so that the OP is to blame
. Worked for me considering everytime I do criticize about it, I have yet to be banned.
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This was truly a sad day. I lost a lot of motivation to play once this happened. I admit a LOT of my wealth ingame came from killing bots and their subsequent drops. I think a lot of legit players lost steam after that happened. It was one thing to have of bots around but to be able to kill them and take some of their stuff ie hurt them was another. But when we were no longer able to do that, it wasn't worth the time / effort pursuing them anymore.
My thinking is that you either REALLY got out of hand or were stupid and broke one of these. They even follow a 3-strikes rule, so unless this was your third strike or you said something REALLY bad, you wouldn't have been banned permanently. And you say all your accounts were banned? OK, so I'm leaning towards the YOU REALLY ARE GUILTY side of the story...
Ncsoft dosen't follow any rules, my first post was about bot's asking if it was okay to make a poll about bot's and then making a link to a image off how i wantet the poll...
they gave me no warning's or emails that my forum account got banned and i only know because once i try to register a forum account with one off my other's Plaync account's (i got 3 account's under the same Plaync) it tell's me im banned.
i haven't had any trouble's with gm's ever so it was just first strike, but they tell you they look in to bot's to so they just full off .......
Ok, I dont seem to be able to let this post go. I think its a great thing that we started this discussion, and then all have to choose what they think about the issues the game has.
But I think most of u guys forgot 1 big thing. U say u can eran money from "playing the market", "sell SS & sps for overprice" and do SA quest and sell the crystals. Well, there is one problem. If there wasnt any ppl ebaying I can assure u there would be no market to play. If there was no ebayers prolly most ppl would grind without SS and sps. And if there wasnt any ebayers u would have a very hard time selling your SA:s.
This is kinda funny. All the ideas u ppl have about how to make money is all addicted to the exsitence of ebayers (and ebayer money comes from bots).
Sooo, now we have a problem. I can assure you that a clean SoulBow wouldnt cost 90 millions if there wasnt ebayers or bots. Sooo once again, there we have the problem. This combined with tha lack of good rewards from quests. The adena.sellers has inflated the market so much. But at same time u cant live without them caue then there was no way u could earn money "legit". No money buying=no one will buy your overoriced stuff.
Think about this. Its kinda strange. But I guess u will have to accept it if u wanna play the game. Cause there seems to be "no way" for the company to stop it.
the Enchance your Weapon quest isen't that great, im amazed that you can make that much from it, unleass your saying you did it in the previous cronicle's where you coulden't buy em in shop (lvl 7 to 10)
i done it to and it's defintly worth picking up but it' dosen't bring you close to afford the grade gear you can use, and you also have to sell a lot off em in the end.
and Manor on populated server's you have to compete with farmer's over manor witch is very hard...
it's pretty much all about working the market unleass you get in the high lvl's 6x + and know what to do.
Ellyrion
EDIT: here's abit more info about the soul crystal quest.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1836061#1836061
True as I haven't played since Interlude and I made most of my money back in C3-C4 as that is when I needed my gear for both grades. So if it has changed since Interlude I wouldn't know anything about that. Shame though as Crystal leveling was highly profitable. Seems like with every update they intentionally give more control of the economy to the farmers. One of the many reasons I stopped playing. But it still proves that at least at one time I did play legit and made all the Adena I needed for my gear without having to Ebay.
Peace out.
Edit: During late C4-Interlude I made most of my money by playing the market. I would keep a close eye on the player shops for certain mats and SS/BSpS and buy them out when it was cheap enough. Then I would move to a different town where I knew the going rate was higher and resell. This worked really well during C5 as the difference in SS/BSpS prices varied greatly between towns. Most of the time I would buy up A and B grade SS/BSpS in Giran or Aden and resell it in Rune or Goddard at a huge profit. I also had a Dwarf alt that made D-B Grade shots during C5 and he funded my main PR with his crafting and selling D-B grade Crystals(At times selling the crystals was more profitable then making shots from them as the market on crystals tended to fluctuate wildly at times).
Bren
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This is an assumption on your part based on hindsight and some knowledge of the online situation. Kind of pointless if you're actually asking.
There would always be a price, whether it would be in the milions as opposed to 10's or 100's of millions who knows. The point is it would be something likewise affordable.
It was so in closed beta and even up to and around C1. Most of the e-bay craze kicked off with C2 when everyone rolled into C/B grade and wanted to be the first to own a castle. Those days were crazy and you could tell overnight who did it, as whole clans re-equipped from a mixture of D and low C grades into top C/B.
But I digress, IMO if there were no e-bayers, then the community would set the price over time. EQ1 was a good example of that. The money was worthless as most of the best gear was no drop and e-baying pointless, ppl still e-bayed, but they were largely unguilded and generally couldn't raid. On a plus side it gave the guild crafters a chance to ply their trade, and sell some wares as opposed to equipping their twinks to see how far they could get with subpar gear.
By and large though the prices were set realistically and you did not have to e-bay to be able to afford even the best crafted equipment.
Looking back on L2 crafting, though, I would argue you will find it is one of the principle reasons for e-baying. And its not because getting mats is a grind !
The critical flaw is the 60% success rate on A Grade and higher recipes.
This has hurt legit players massively since C3. NCSoft should have included 100% recipes for higher grades of crafting, and kept the 3:1 ratio of materials which they had established in B Grade. I have written before about the duality of L2. The time for collecting mats and crafting is time away from the ultimate reason for playing the game. I'm sure noone would argue that its a good way of psychological attachment to your character IOT ensure you continue your subscription. But there are limits on how much game time you should spend away from your main effort in the game, L2 seriously challenges you in this domain.
I have long accepted this challenge of duality, but I am not a fan of double jeopardy. Collecting mats and recipes for a few months to fail at the push of a button takes some strong resolve to overcome...If you have to look at flaws in L2 this is pretty much the fundamental one for me!!
As to whether there would be a market ? Heck yes, you don't need to play in the end game to see why.
People would always overenchant and blow stuff up, the whole SA for duals process is one huge money sink. Where there is an open economy and a constant demand for goods then there will always be money to be made.
Have legit players profited off e-bayers ? Without a doubt, but at least I profited legitimately
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Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
The Reckless Knight
Lunatris
Bren
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the only point you all made is your forced to work the market to have any succes in this game concering the economic's, all the other respones are either useless know, or only usefull for 0,1 % off the new player's.
i don't agree with the thread starter that you have to ebay but without it and not working the market you will stay poor, and some classes loses adena's hunting, so it is a very hard economic.
the only point you all made is your forced to work the market to have any succes in this game concering the economic's, all the other respones are either useless know, or only usefull for 0,1 % off the new player's.
i don't agree with the thread starter that you have to ebay but without it and not working the market you will stay poor, and some classes loses adena's hunting, so it is a very hard economic.
Actually new players have it a LOT easier than we did which is a good thing. When we started you had to buy EVERYTHING yourself. Not to mention that you couldn't even use SS until you could afford a mid-no grade weapon. Now newbies get to use SS from the get go and even get handed a pile of it right at the start of the game. Also by doing the starter area quests you can basically get enough Newb SS to take you almost to level 20.
Also with the armor/weapon trade-ins you can do now you can start off with low no-grade items and swap your way up to the highest no-grade without spending any extra Adena as you get the exact trade in amount for any piece that you paid for it. Trading your gear up in this way you end up only paying the amount you would have paid for the top items but you get to pay in installments. When we played you had to pay full price for each item and you basically had to eat the item you were replacing because if it wasn't top No-grade no one would buy it so you were forced in many cases to vender the item.
With the new academy system you can basically get decent D-Grade armor for what we paid for 1 piece of armor at level 20. This allows new players to only concentrate on getting a good D-Grade weapon. I had to grind and work the system all the way to level 30 before I even had a complete set of D-Grade let alone anything like the clan armor they have today.
You are right in that our info is dated as it's a lot easier to get started now than it was when we started. Now players don't even feel the economic crunch until level 40 when they need C-grade and the way the game is set up now if they are smart they will have saved up enough for that already. The economy is still rough on the uneducated but nothing like it was.
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After all these post still nobody has given a clear way of making Adena. I read the Sticky on making money but they should change the title to Saving Money and not Making Money. It also stated that you should make a Dwarf to craft your SS but nobody wants to level 2 characters just to enjoy playing 1. As for playing the Market which is buying low and selling high you cant do any of that if you dont have money to start with. I will give a clear example of what I am talking about. I got a friend who just started not too long ago and I think he is LV 28 now. He has Clan Oath Armor and is currently using Shadow Weapons. He is trying to figure out how to make money becuase he wants to get some D Grade Jewels and all the money he makes from the Manor goes toward Soul Shots and porting to the hunting grounds. Now tell me how a player like this that has nonthing can start making Adena?
Your friend needs to ebay, like the game designers intended.
The loading screen for this game should read "You're back? You didn't give up yet? Well then, lets see what we can do to make you quit today! MUAHAHAHA!!!"
Well I have some advice that I believe is still relevant no matter how they have changed the game since I played last. First of all there is no easy or quick way to make money when starting from nothing short of eBaying which I take from your post is not an option nor should it be.
The number one thing I can suggest is stop teleporting and run to the hunting spots. This does take more time but tele's can really add up over time. Running is free. The second thing I can suggest is to farm. Find some green or light blue mobs you can kill with little or no SS and kill a whole lot of them. Make sure they are not dark blue or you'll get no drops from them. Greens are Ideal as the drop rates on light blues are reduced but if you have to do light blues to use no SS they will do, it will just take longer. This is very time consuming but can get you that starting capital you need to try some of the other methods like playing the market. This game requires vast amounts of patience and persistence when starting from scratch to succeed.
Edit: Oh and one more thing. You'll get a whole lot of basic mats doing this(Coal, Steel, Charcoal, etc.....). DON'T SELL THEM TO THE VENDORS!! Take them to Giran and sell them in the player buy shops there as you will get a lot more for them. If no one is buying a certain mat throw it in the WH and check again the next time you come back to sell. Also if you want more from them don't be afraid to set up your own shop to sell them. Selling them yourself will maximize your profit from them but it takes your character out of action while he sells. I used to just leave mine on in player shop mode all night while I slept. You can make millions just from selling these basic mats alone.
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Sorrowho.......I'm trying my hardest to be nice to you but I have to say that you're just as full of BS as you ever have been. I don't have time to pick apart you're whole reply so I'll just do one part for now. You can buy equivalent D grade to the clan armor for 400-500k eh? This is total BS. The D grade Clan stuff is only marginally less in stats and armor rating then Brigandine or Mithril, the top D grades and you get a whole set for that price including the helm. A Brigandine BP or a Mithril Robe will run you 400-500k alone and don't forget how much Brigandine Helms sell for. You get one piece for the same price as a whole set of clan armor. So how am I wrong?
Edit: Oh and one more thing. There is a lot of ignorance in your posts about this game that any true Vet can spot in a second. Number one thing that I can spot in this post is you don't have a clue what the max levels have been over the years. When I started max level was 50(May have even been 40 in early beta) and it was put up in increments through the early chronicles. It went from 50 to 60 to 75 and finally to 80. Just this alone tells me that you don't know a damn thing about the "Old Days" and you're just talking out of your ass. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about please as it just makes you look stupid.
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Levels 1-20 are no problem at all. At level 20 you can get the Clan Armor with the help of a good clan because you probaly wont have the adena for the 922 D Grade Crystals for the Armor, and you also have the use of Shadow Weapons that can get you to level 40 if you use the correctly. Its the time in between LV 20-40 that you need to make enough Adena so you can afford C Grade Gear. There is only one real way that I can think of that it a legit way of making the money to afford C Grade. If you hunt in the Catacombs from 20 to 40 and save all your Ancient Adena that you get from your contribution of seal stones then you should be able to sell that AA for regular Adena and make some money. I see the AA rate on Bartz is like 4/1 and sometimes even 5/1 so thats a good money maker. I also forgot that they had made it even easier now at level 40 because you can get some C Grade Armor, C Grade Jewels and a C Grade Weapon from the Luxury shop for the exchange of C Grade crystals I think which is cheaper than buying for players. I guess you are on your own for B Grade and up. Sigh
You know, if you're going to ignore the reply don't ask the question.
Ppl have given you some general ideas on how to make Adena, but noone is going to spoonfeed you. There is information which you seek out there and it may not necessarily be on these forums.
I don't think L2 was a wise choice of MMO for you if you still haven't grasped that this is not a solo game...
Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
The Reckless Knight
Lunatris
i useally have you on ignore so it's okay...
and no im not talking about top brigadine set, mithril robe set or knowglede set, witch are very exespensive im talking about normal armor's with out set bonuses since i said you could buy em in shop.
i don't consider the set bonuses that great at all, and if you are a caster i recommend a devaotion set since it's cheaper and faster casting speed...
and about lvl's i might be roung that in prelude you coulden't reach 75 but you could in C1
http://www.lineage2.com/news/chronicle1_12.html
check out the picture, they weren't really skill's after 50 or 60 tho but you could get up there...
so plz if i am so roung about what im saying take your time and post it...
You know, if you're going to ignore the reply don't ask the question.
Ppl have given you some general ideas on how to make Adena, but noone is going to spoonfeed you. There is information which you seek out there and it may not necessarily be on these forums.
I don't think L2 was a wise choice of MMO for you if you still haven't grasped that this is not a solo game...
Regards,j
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
Where has somebody posted a REAL WAY of making money?
1. Make a Dwarf to craft SS? Nobody should have to make 2 characters to play one.
2. Level up and sell Soul Crysals? Cant do that anymore since they are sold in the shops now.
3. Play the Market? Thats pretty much based on Luck and too time consuming for people who have real lives.
4. Do the Manor System? The money from the Manor System is only enough to pay for Soul Shots and the cost of porting to the hunting grounds.
Of all the post made here I am the only person that gave a Clear Way of making adena and and I am one of the people who is asking how. Save all your AA from doing 7 Signs and sell it. Now you see how easy that was? One sentence that was clear and to the point. Can you do the same? You say I have not read anything here so a reply from anybody on this thread thats a money maker.
So since you are the one to come out and talk like this is not hard at all I want you Ellyrion to tell me your way of making Adena and dont tell anybody that this game is not for them when they are asking probaly the most asked question about this game. Also I never said that this was a solo game. When I said that you are on your own at B Grade I meant that there was no help like before at LV 20 you got Clan Armor and Shadow Weapons and at LV 40 you had the Luxury Shop selling cheap gear. At B Grade you have nonthing but the market so thats what I meant by being on your own. I guess you meant that you should be in a clan but just becasue you are in a clan does that mean that you dont have to worry about adena anymore?
i useally have you on ignore so it's okay...
and no im not talking about top brigadine set, mithril robe set or knowglede set, witch are very exespensive im talking about normal armor's with out set bonuses since i said you could buy em in shop.
i don't consider the set bonuses that great at all, and if you are a caster i recommend a devaotion set since it's cheaper and faster casting speed...
and about lvl's i might be roung that in prelude you coulden't reach 75 but you could in C1
http://www.lineage2.com/news/chronicle1_12.html
check out the picture, they weren't really skill's after 50 or 60 tho but you could get up there...
so plz if i am so roung about what im saying take your time and post it...
lol....even in this post your ignorance of L2 shows through brilliantly. Devotion set is No-grade not D grade and you CAN buy most of both the Brigandine and Mithril sets in the armor shop from NPC vendors. I'm really starting to think you don't even play L2 and are just a troll. Your ignorance is staggeringly obvious even to someone who only played L2 for a short while. I'm through arguing with you as I've noticed most of the other vets who post here have given up on you as well as few of them ever reply to your obviously ignorant rants.
Edit: Oh and if you knew anything about L2 you'd know that the Mithril set offers +1 Wit which equates to faster casting speed. But please keep posting as every post you make just proves me more and more correct about you.
Bren
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LOL, I'll give you points for persistance... Ok here's another crack at this.
First of all," how do I make money ?", is too broad a question within the context of the game to ask. You need to refine your questions to how to I do something with X particular class(es), with X equipment and X much time on my hands IOT get X item crafted or quest done. That is a question which is likely to yield a response you're after.
General questions will get general answers.
Dwarfs. When ppl tell you to make a dwarf there is an assumption on their part that you understand the L2 economy. If you do then nothing further needs to be said...
if not then you need to do some research on the Dwarfs. Learn the difference between spoil and craft !
Understand how spoil works within the context of the game, where to spoil specific mats from and subsequently spend some time understanding the effort required in combining the materials into items. As simple as an explanation as this appears to you, thats it, its not rocket surgery.
Find the right material, make a dwarf of the right level and spend a lot of time online getting said material. That is the formula, this is what farmers do, except they cheat by making automated programs run their chars 24/7 whereas you choosing not to cheat can't due to RL...
There is no shortcut, noone mentioned one.
Same same for the crafters, collect recipes as you level up set up shops to allow ppl to craft, charge money for crafting OR sell your crafted goods. There is no mystical formula here.The point about Dwarven crafters is that they are the ones who "effect" the creation so you cut out a 3rd party in the crafting process.
If I have to craft, I would need to insert a dwarf between what I contribute in materials/recipes and where I obtain profit from selling stuff. The dwarf gets paid irrespective whether my combine succeeds or not...If you don't have a clan and you have seen what ppl charge to craft B grade + weapons, jewellery and armour then you can understand why many are keen to cut this step out and make their own Dwarfs. This is another reason why soloing doesn't work you do not make enough to cover this range of expenses. A 9 pers regular group can and does it relatively quickly assuming at least a sensible balance of classes.
The cash "making" step comes in with higher grade items and consumables because you have far less competition at higher levels in the production of high end equipment and far more throughput irrespective of competition on the consumables. This is why ppl make Dwarfs.
The higher the level of your Dwarf/craft skill the better off you will be. During the levelling process you can also sell the intermediate combines. There is a lot of money to be made in those as ppl in that period of item creation are often in a "rush" to finish, and will pay you a higher premium for them.
On crystals... BUY the lv 10 crystal and raid to level it to 11, 12 and 13. Its still profitable .... Noone is tying up your hands and stopping you from joining a clan ... right ?
On working the market... Other than the brilliant buy low, sell high gobbledigook, you need to understand the "demand" on your server. What do ppl actually want? Do some market research, sorry yes, this takes more time...
Of f the different crafting options out there the most widely used method of money making, is to obtain D and C grade swords, upgrade them to the top sword for each grade through the BS of Mammon, yes this is where you spend your AA, don't sell it, and combine them into the duals of the next grade. You then overenchant them as much as possible until such time as you are either happy with the +on the weapon and set up shop, or wind up with a inv full of crystals which you turn into SS. You subsequently spend the next week or two selling SS and start again. At some point your luck will hold and you will get your uber o/e'd weapon which sells for big money. Wash, rinse, repeat....
BTW, this is where your "DWARF" spoiler makes a "comeback" IOT to spoil recipes and enchant scrolls off the mobs. If you don't know which mobs spoil what, do some research on L2 warehouse. As stated before NO FAST CASH here , you will earn every adena !
I concede your clarification of the "I guess you're on your own comment". I did misunderstand it.
I will take you to task though, on showing me where I ever said that anything was easy in this game ? There may be some "easy" choices in some context, but there is nothing that comes easy in L2, and I believe I have managed expectations of any new player accordingly within my posts.
In terms of questions overall, the older players will not hesitate to clear things up or discuss (often heatedly) various aspects of the game BUT they will not spoon feed you and give you a walk through for L2.
Now, I've given you more than a hint on where to find more answers. If you are a casual player and can't be stuffed doing any of this. You are left with 2 choices (the 3rd one is illegal). Lower your expectations and learn to play within your means or find a clan which will support you !
Enjoy L2 for what you make of it
Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
The Reckless Knight
Lunatris
you should read abit better Brene