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Bioware - a master in roleplay
Jens1
Member Posts: 7
First of all - im not an employee to the company - im just a huge fan to the old Baldur Gate games.
I also played NeverWinternights and enjoyed it.
But Baldurs Gate was at its time - a new and fresh thing in RPG.
And thats why i think Bioware once more will set the bar high and push the standard for mmorpgs - with the new game they have under development.
You can check the info out on www.bioware.com/bioware_info/press_releases/2006_03_15_Austin/
This is the thing im looking forward too as bioware to me is the essence of RPG
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A Mass-Effect MMO would kick ass
I loved mass effect the first play through, once i beat it i returned it though. I loved baulders gate when i rented it, wish i could of played the other ones.
I recently have lost the last bit of respect for BioWare, but I'm glad you guys are keeping at it.
Their first respect lost was when they stopped making their own technology and leased other's to be "quicker to market".
The final straw was the phrase "Without Gygax, there would still be a BioWare." Pompus remark for a company who made all their money on games based on DnD originally...
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
Agreed. Bioware's games have been excellent, my personal favourite is Knights of the Old Republic and I'm not even a Star Wars fan, it's better written than the movies.
Lets hope they can translate their talent into an MMO.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
And as far as I'm concerned, your opinion on whether middleware is good/bad for a company is completely irrelevant. Come back when you have some credentials other than MMOCenter and The Chronicle.
I am definitely interested and looking.
I prefer BioWare 1.0 over BioWare 2.0, they are aging and all. Black Isles died making ACTION-games. BioWare took the initial thrend Black Isles initiates...real time is a necessary evil, especially for MMOs. But action? I dunno.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Bioware , used to be the best. They still are , but they are not what they used to be , nor will they ever be again.
They are EA now
Could you please link to where they said that? Cuz I seem to recall reading someone say "Without Gygax, there would likely not have been a BioWare" but I could be wrong...
Btw, the HERO ENGINE stuff and the other tech they are using are all very good moves in my opinion because they're excellent tools which WILL help with the production of their game and can be tweaked so much so that you won't even recognize the origianl programs anymore - but will cut YEARS off the development cycle. If it fascilitates everything they need for the game, why not use it? Especially when they are venturing into such a competitive market which is incredibly costly and they have zero previous experience. It's just logical imo.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
I'm very interested to see what Bioware has in mind for an MMO. I'm also looking forward to what 38 Studios is working on (mainly because I'm a baseball nut and Kurt Schilling is a gamer and built the company: Not having to worry about investors and "suits" will hopefully allow them go away from the WoW mold). Lastly, I'm really looking forward to what Vigil does with Warhammer 40,000.
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http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=620666&forum=109
"It is quite possible to think that without Gary Gygax and Dungeons and Dragons, BioWare and Neverwinter Nights would not be here today."
And as for licencing technology... one of the 1st thing a SW developer learns is to check if there is something already out there that fits the stated requirements. It is no point coding the wheel from the scratch. Qucker to market seems actually a great idea, since development of complex RPGs takes a long time (significantly more than most other game genres) and the engine is not the main focus of the game either way.
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I really do love the games Bioware comes out with. I really think that whole 'Good vs Evil' / 'Paragon vs Renegade' idea they are doing and refining with KOTOR and Mass Effect could translate well into an MMO... possibly even a way to use that to add some actual consequences to your actions and make the world more responsive to what you actually do.
And there is zero wrong with using someone else's technology. Bioware's skill is not there technology, but their gameplay ideas. And the less time they have to worry about creating the underlying technology the better... more time they can work on giving us a good game.
Only downside to this is MMOs take so long to make and they are really just beginning... it's going to be a while before we get to see anything come of this.
And as far as I'm concerned, your opinion on whether middleware is good/bad for a company is completely irrelevant. Come back when you have some credentials other than MMOCenter and The Chronicle.
It was on IGN when a whole bunch of them were saying Goodbye. He said there'd be a BioWare, but no NWN or BG. Your language is quite unappreciated.It's merely my opinion, I'm entitled to it as much as you're entitled to yours. I'm not against Middleware as much as I'm for owning everything myself. However, since I've been around to several MMO companies, I can honestly say the sad state of people not hiring the correct Programmers to make that all important Master Server is quite perturbing.
And for the record: I've worked at several companies doing design now, you'll probably play a MMO I worked on and not even know it to be honest.
I wasn't aware I needed excessive Industry experience to offer an opinion on a particular style of development... What are your Credentials?
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
And as far as I'm concerned, your opinion on whether middleware is good/bad for a company is completely irrelevant. Come back when you have some credentials other than MMOCenter and The Chronicle.
It was on IGN when a whole bunch of them were saying Goodbye. He said there'd be a BioWare, but no NWN or BG. Your language is quite unappreciated.It's merely my opinion, I'm entitled to it as much as you're entitled to yours. I'm not against Middleware as much as I'm for owning everything myself. However, since I've been around to several MMO companies, I can honestly say the sad state of people not hiring the correct Programmers to make that all important Master Server is quite perturbing.
And for the record: I've worked at several companies doing design now, you'll probably play a MMO I worked on and not even know it to be honest.
I wasn't aware I needed excessive Industry experience to offer an opinion on a particular style of development... What are your Credentials?
Who gives a crap? As long as the games are good. You can have all the disrespect you want of a company, but bottom line is if Bioware were to come out with a superb MMO, hailed by crytics, you would still play it. Companies are there to make money not appease the dieing breed of oldschoolers like you, and btw I am old school, but I still have faith in companies like Bioware.
O_o o_O
You're absolutely right, I will try it and if it's good I'll play it. Hands down, regardless of who made it, or with what, or how. If BioWare comes out with a great MMO, I'll play it, no questions asked.
I merely don't understand how a company can garner such support when they have yet to show, explain, or even portray such a product. I've, like most of you, read all the interviews with BioWare... they read like WoW Advertisements to me.
Which, by the way, is a very well made game. I hope BioWare follows that path and puts the love and attention to detail that Blizzard did.
The truth of the matter is we'll all have to wait and see.
PS: I'm not an "old schooler", I'm a gamer. I have an opinion. I was merely voicing it.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
I have loved every Bioware game I've tried so far. Haven't tried Mass Effect yet, gonna wait for PC release.
OMG EA TOTALLY RUINS EVERYTHING AND NO GOOD GAMES HAVE EVER AND I MEAN EVER EVER EVER EVER COME OUT UNDER EA OMG THEY ARE ZEH DEVIL!
come on lobotomist...
Knights of the Old Republic, Neverwinter Nights, and Mass Effect are top 3 on my list of RPGs (Not in that order).
Mass Effect MMO would be completely and totally awesome. They could keep the combat system, class system, skill points, and equipment exactly the same and I'd be happy.
http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=620666&forum=109
"It is quite possible to think that without Gary Gygax and Dungeons and Dragons, BioWare and Neverwinter Nights would not be here today."
Caesar did you miss the "NOT" part of "without Gary Gygax and D&D, BioWare and Neverwinter Nights would NOT be here today" ????
http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=620666&forum=109
"It is quite possible to think that without Gary Gygax and Dungeons and Dragons, BioWare and Neverwinter Nights would not be here today."
Did you miss the "NOT" part of "without Gary Gygax and D&D, BioWare and Neverwinter Nights would NOT be here today."
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You beat me to it, I was just copying the same link to do the same thing....LOL
I think that as long as the two founders of Bioware have complete creative control, their games will continue to be superior. If they are ever stripped of that control, the games will begin to suffer.
Just my 2 cents worth.
For those who are thinking the BioWare MMORPG is going to be a WoW Clone due to the praise Ray and Greg give to Blizzard, you ought to read those articles again. BioWare doesn't make clones, they learn, evolve and produce next gen material.
WoW SHOULD be paid attention to if you're a developer looking into the MMORPG market because it is by far the most dominant and wealthiest / successful MMORPG - Thus it will have lessons to teach you... as would something like SWG... these guys are not morons, friends. They know what they are doing.
They play WoW? Good for them... they're disecting it and learning what works and what needs to be better.
Have a little faith. I think if you look at their track record for previous games, they deserve some faith and respect. Sure they don't have any MMORPG experience, but neither did Blizzard and look at the leviathan they created.
Besides, what BioWare DOES have experience with in spades is the RPG part which most mmorpg's lack strongly.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
And as far as I'm concerned, your opinion on whether middleware is good/bad for a company is completely irrelevant. Come back when you have some credentials other than MMOCenter and The Chronicle.
It was on IGN when a whole bunch of them were saying Goodbye. He said there'd be a BioWare, but no NWN or BG. Your language is quite unappreciated.It's merely my opinion, I'm entitled to it as much as you're entitled to yours. I'm not against Middleware as much as I'm for owning everything myself. However, since I've been around to several MMO companies, I can honestly say the sad state of people not hiring the correct Programmers to make that all important Master Server is quite perturbing.
And for the record: I've worked at several companies doing design now, you'll probably play a MMO I worked on and not even know it to be honest.
I wasn't aware I needed excessive Industry experience to offer an opinion on a particular style of development... What are your Credentials?
Owned lol.Bioware rocks for the simple fact that is NWN and it's ability to be totally customized to a player run digital version of the pen and paper game. One of my best gaming experiences of my ten years in MMO gaming is from NWN Avlis: player run DnD server.
Too bad NWN 2 wasn't a Bioware product.
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And as far as I'm concerned, your opinion on whether middleware is good/bad for a company is completely irrelevant. Come back when you have some credentials other than MMOCenter and The Chronicle.
It was on IGN when a whole bunch of them were saying Goodbye. He said there'd be a BioWare, but no NWN or BG. Your language is quite unappreciated.It's merely my opinion, I'm entitled to it as much as you're entitled to yours. I'm not against Middleware as much as I'm for owning everything myself. However, since I've been around to several MMO companies, I can honestly say the sad state of people not hiring the correct Programmers to make that all important Master Server is quite perturbing.
And for the record: I've worked at several companies doing design now, you'll probably play a MMO I worked on and not even know it to be honest.
I wasn't aware I needed excessive Industry experience to offer an opinion on a particular style of development... What are your Credentials?
Owned lol.Bioware rocks for the simple fact that is NWN and it's ability to be totally customized to a player run digital version of the pen and paper game. One of my best gaming experiences of my ten years in MMO gaming is from NWN Avlis: player run DnD server.
Too bad NWN 2 wasn't a Bioware product.
1. Middleware: I think the right Devs could make a good game with Big World, but I haven't seen anyone do it yet.2. NWN2: What a big dissapointment. People spent tons of time making really cool world, but it's such a pain in the ass to try and download the files and install them just to try to log onto a world, that it's not worth it. What a shame.
3. Kotor:
MMORPG Maker
You're aware OBSIDIAN made NWN2, not BioWare, right? If you are, sorry for pointing it out, just thought we were talking about BioWare hehe
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
Well if i should state the reasons why i think BIoware is superior i can mention the following.
1. true dice value in the game (baldurs gate) when you created your char - your skill points was determined on the basis on points rolled by the dice ( very original and close to the old "pen and paper" days of rpg"
2. Baldurs Gate wasnt a small adventure. It was HUGE - the ones who played it remember the several hours you spend in cities to discover all the hidden quests and clues.
3. Your char and party had the choise to be evil or good alligned - and it was more than just hack´n´slash it was all about your deeds - your choise in certain quest gave you or reduced your popularity all after your actions.
4. Your skill was a key factor in the game - not just your gear. You had to find hidden traps, use your ranged and melee in balance and always be prepared when meeting a boss ( it was never easy )
5. The storyline was great and you felt captivated by the story - you found yourself bound to the game for several hours due to your curiosity to find out what would happen next. (Thats one of the things a lot of games today lack)
6. It wasnt a game you soon mastered and finished - i spent over 100 hours on the first BG adventure to find all the hidden stories and clues.
IF Bioware succeed to transfer all this into a mmorpg - i would say that all others should shiver - as this mmorpg will pass all others in success - maybe not in account members - but in satisfied game players.
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