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Are the "creeps" and "freeps" even matched?

Bedlem3342Bedlem3342 Member UncommonPosts: 252


I have heard alot on this, who will win when its 12vz12 or even 24v24
i get it all day "creeps just want pvp they are so outmatched"
"freeps are so out numberd"

What do you guys think .personaly i dont roll a creep;but have logged once in a while.

iMo freeps out match creeps on the skills end but creeps have twice the health.All in all i think they are quit even.

However normaly a group of 6 creeps with one war-leader will pown a group even with a minstrel.creeps can afford a charge when freep dps is low.

normaly i fight at EC because the map is red. lmao all day untill the freeps log in amd ussialy roll them. However creeps slways put up a fight , and sometimes wipe us . Again imo its even.

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  • RungrenRungren Member Posts: 6

    I find that the PvP is very evenly matched, fact is the creeps seem more organized alot of the time than the freeps do,  the problem is usually that people have no sense of organization, and just run blasting...er swinging and twanging bows into the fray (groo reference there).  A little strategy can go along way towards helping your side win even when out numbered.  I happened to get in a great group that managed to hold a band of creeps out of TA even though there was only about 8 of us and about 15 of them... by holding a strategic position concentrating fire and using distracting techniques to obscure our actual number we held them back for about 30 or so minutes until a full raid of freeps arrived to drive them back. While the amount of kills we got were few it was one of the most exciting times in pvp I have had.... course I have been in groups that just got pummeled but so goes the nature of the beast.....

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  • YeeboYeebo Member UncommonPosts: 1,361

    My experience has been that creeps are generally more organized, and much more likely to be "hardcore" PvPers.  One on one they are woefully underpowered compared to a freep, but unlike freeps a lot of those guys do nothing but PvP.  If you can get into a well organized creep raid, the matchups are often pretty even.

    Outside of a raid, a creep is nothing but cannon fodder to a freep.

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  • rikiliirikilii Member UncommonPosts: 1,084

    Originally posted by Yeebo


    One on one they are woefully underpowered compared to a freep, ....Outside of a raid, a creep is nothing but cannon fodder to a freep.

    This is generally true, but I'm not sure how this statement holds up if you do a broader comparison.

    I don't know for a fact, but I suspect that a brand new, rank 0 creep might actually be able to hold his own against a level 40 or 41 freep (one of which is the first level you can enter the Moors.

    And a Rank 7+ Creep might (again, I'm not sure) be able to stand up to your average level 50.

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  • Bedlem3342Bedlem3342 Member UncommonPosts: 252

    My thoughts also were , creeps are generaly more organized and hard-core then freeps because thats all they are ment to do PVMP , derrr.

    If you sololy play a creep , your mission and goal is hard-core pvp right?


    So in general poeple that play creeps more then their freep are hard-core because thats what they live for.

  • bmj001bmj001 Member Posts: 17

    I've played a creep for about a while now. I don't play him all day long because I enjoy both aspects of the game, but when I have, I notice that in an even numbered battle between freeps and creeps, generally the freeps come out on top. I think one of the major advantages that freeps have is crowd control. That might not be the turning tide in the battle, but it sure as heck helps.

    I remember RvRing in DAOC when crowd control was everything and you couldn't compete without a decked out, experienced sorcerer, bard or healer.

    Why doesn't Turbine put in the stun immunity timer starting when the stun timer runs out unbroken? I don't think a Loremaster stunning you, running to fight in the battle and then coming back in 30 seconds and restunning you is what the developers had in mind. Anyway, I'm just now starting to get into PvP from the freep standpoint so I guess we'll see how that works out in comparison.

  • YeeboYeebo Member UncommonPosts: 1,361

     

    Originally posted by rikilii


     
    Originally posted by Yeebo


    One on one they are woefully underpowered compared to a freep, ....Outside of a raid, a creep is nothing but cannon fodder to a freep.

     

    This is generally true, but I'm not sure how this statement holds up if you do a broader comparison.

    I don't know for a fact, but I suspect that a brand new, rank 0 creep might actually be able to hold his own against a level 40 or 41 freep (one of which is the first level you can enter the Moors.

    And a Rank 7+ Creep might (again, I'm not sure) be able to stand up to your average level 50.

    While I haven't seen too many freeps insane enough to head out to the moors at level 40, I'm sure that a rank 0 creep that you kitted fully out with rank 0 skills using saved destiny would do OK one on one vs a 40.  It would depend on the class matchup to some extent, but I would think if nothing else the level difference would screw the freep.

     

    I'm not sure that a creep is ever equal to a 50 freep that's fully geared and talented out.  A high rank one might be able to hold their own against a fresh 50 with weak virtues and mediocre gear.  However I will admit I'm not sure about it, never having gotten one to a very high rank. 

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  • YeeboYeebo Member UncommonPosts: 1,361

     

    Originally posted by bmj001


    I've played a creep for about a while now. I don't play him all day long because I enjoy both aspects of the game, but when I have, I notice that in an even numbered battle between freeps and creeps, generally the freeps come out on top. I think one of the major advantages that freeps have is crowd control. That might not be the turning tide in the battle, but it sure as heck helps.
    I remember RvRing in DAOC when crowd control was everything and you couldn't compete without a decked out, experienced sorcerer, bard or healer.
    Why doesn't Turbine put in the stun immunity timer starting when the stun timer runs out unbroken? I don't think a Loremaster stunning you, running to fight in the battle and then coming back in 30 seconds and restunning you is what the developers had in mind. Anyway, I'm just now starting to get into PvP from the freep standpoint so I guess we'll see how that works out in comparison.

    Yeah, when I see a LM step onto the battle field I get a sinking feeling for sure.  I won't go after one unless they are already distracted (I mainly play a Reaver), personally.  One on one going after a LM is nearly instant suicide.  Burgs arn't much better.

     

    I wonder if the healer class creeps are getting in book 13 will be able to counter them in some way?

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  • 8hammer88hammer8 Member Posts: 1,812

    Creeps and freeps will always argue that they are not evenly matched, and they will be correct.  Just like whether you think you can or you think you can't, you will be correct.

    Freep and creep fighting is pretty much annoying. 

    Creep arguement - too much CC by the freeps.  Freep arguement - too much moral for creeps. 

    Creep arguement - we don't have enough skills. Freep arguement - Creeps get CC pots and insta-maps

    Yada...yada...yada

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  • YeeboYeebo Member UncommonPosts: 1,361

     

    Originally posted by 8hammer8


    Creeps and freeps will always argue that they are not evenly matched, and they will be correct.  Just like whether you think you can or you think you can't, you will be correct.
    Freep and creep fighting is pretty much annoying. 
    Creep arguement - too much CC by the freeps.  Freep arguement - too much moral for creeps. 
    Creep arguement - we don't have enough skills. Freep arguement - Creeps get CC pots and insta-maps
    Yada...yada...yada
    No one will ever be happy and everyone will be correct.

    An important difference in this case being that Turbine said that creeps are by design inferior to freeps one on one.  They are intended to have superior numbers, that's why you only have to get a freep to level ten to start up a 50 creep.

     

    But, still, it is a good point.  Just like Horde used to whine about Paladins and Alliance used to whine about Shamens, and all three realms in DAoC whine that the other two are overpowered. 

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