Well dA_fReAK, there is video on youtube that addresses this matter. It has been on youtube for an extended period of time, and I am very suprised that no one has posted it on the forums here so I will go ahead and do so. It is very informative and has alot of good information regarding the sales of both. The video can be found here, at this link.
Your welcome in advance.
Aha! So you're following my footsteps aye? I didn't fall for it. I check'ed the link at the bottom and I almost KNOW all the RickRoll links at heart!
Clever try young padawan. Keep trying.
Ahhh yes, I thought I would attempt to get you back for the rickroll a few days ago.
I do believe I made it too obvious, unfortunately.
Well dA_fReAK, there is video on youtube that addresses this matter. It has been on youtube for an extended period of time, and I am very suprised that no one has posted it on the forums here so I will go ahead and do so. It is very informative and has alot of good information regarding the sales of both. The video can be found here, at this link.
Your welcome in advance.
Aha! So you're following my footsteps aye? I didn't fall for it. I check'ed the link at the bottom and I almost KNOW all the RickRoll links at heart!
Clever try young padawan. Keep trying.
Ahhh yes, I thought I would attempt to get you back for the rickroll a few days ago.
Heh, well I just got rickroll'd a while back... and this was a Python script instructional video! Gosh... clever people.
Dude thats exactly what im saying and that WAR is more famous, did you even read my full post?
I did read your ENTIRE post. Kinda hard not to with all red caps.
The thing is, there is no AoC vs WAR to begin with. WAR's got their target locked onto WoW. And to try and make a better, richer game of it. If they were competing against AoC, they would make a sandbox game (real time city building, in-depth crafting and more of a world simulator with next gen graphics). But they don't. Cus they are not making that kind of game.
The thing I reacted upon was just the irrelevance of your post. You come here out of the blue saying WAR ain't a better game just cus it might sell more. But if you didn't understand a simple thing like that to begin with you are probably very immature and full of fanboy-ism to begin with and probably won't change one's ground out of reading a post like urs. Let theese threads belong where the fanboy wars are blooming the most (which is not here in the WAR forum) or do as you probably is better of doing, ignore them. Cus we all know they don't lead anywhere anyway.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
..and AoC has a boxed in world with little room to just go roaming. That kills it for me.
I was reading about that in a dev blog and I have to say, that did it for me too... I'll try it if I can get a beta invite, but this completely turned me off :P
*gets all confused at the uproaring going on* My head its going to explode! *BOOM!* ok....honestly I don't find this thread that meaningful of a discussion. Anyone with some common sense knows that pre orders mean pretty much diddly at this point. Its awsome its selling well and the CE is obviously going to sell out before launch...but I dont think its indicative of the game's future success at all.
If WAR is to succeed they must live up to the hype & promises & game mechanics they've been pitching. If the game is truely as indepth with its story play, its tome of knowledge, its hidden / easter egg stuff for the explorers, and all the PvP & PvE goodies then its going to be a definite smash success. A WoW success? That I'm not sure of..even if they gave us everything and a box of everlasting chocolate there's just alot of people who prefer WoW simply because its Blizzard and nothing else. There's 10 million accounts in WoW...i have a hard time seeing over half of that 10 convert quickly or at all. There's alot more MMO gamers in the world than just WoW gamers, WAR is probably pulling in those gamers far quicker than some WoW gamers (anyway that was off topic so moving on)
In relation to Age of Conan...there's just very different playstyles & player types these games are going for. There's alot of public negative hype in relation to AoC and Funcom..alot more than in relation to WAR at the moment (that doesnt mean its all true...no knows if its true until release) and the AoC CE has been on sale for far longer meaning its high volume in pre orders has slowed down. Plus other than a mount and a drinking cape the In Game worthiness to those that are MMOers interested in the game and not all that familiar with Conan won't find the CE as appealing to pre order just yet.
With WAR being such a limited number of copies available and the huge HUGE stir around its existance and what all comes in it both Out of game and In game wise its going to be a higher volume of pre orders for another couple of weeks. Slowly though it'll die off as copies become harder to get and the buzz and euphoria die off.
Anyway...OP I tried to stay on topic but you kinda made it hard since you didn't have a direct question or concern to discuss. Try spelling it out instead of beating around the bush. You know like you would for proposal...it helps more if you want your thread taken seriously...er or atleast more serious.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
..and AoC has a boxed in world with little room to just go roaming. That kills it for me.
I was reading about that in a dev blog and I have to say, that did it for me too... I'll try it if I can get a beta invite, but this completely turned me off :P
All rumors, and whats funny is that I can almost ensure you WARHAMMER will be more linear than AoC and filled with long load times because all the PVP you guys rave about takes place in instances. WAR will be the most linear MMO to date.... there is nothing that proves otherwise.
Dude thats exactly what im saying and that WAR is more famous, did you even read my full post?
I did read your ENTIRE post. Kinda hard not to with all red caps.
The thing is, there is no AoC vs WAR to begin with. WAR's got their target locked onto WoW. And to try and make a better, richer game of it. If they were competing against AoC, they would make a sandbox game (real time city building, in-depth crafting and more of a world simulator with next gen graphics). But they don't. Cus they are not making that kind of game.
The thing I reacted upon was just the irrelevance of your post. You come here out of the blue saying WAR ain't a better game just cus it might sell more. But if you didn't understand a simple thing like that to begin with you are probably very immature and full of fanboy-ism to begin with and probably won't change one's ground out of reading a post like urs. Let theese threads belong where the fanboy wars are blooming the most (which is not here in the WAR forum) or do as you probably is better of doing, ignore them. Cus we all know they don't lead anywhere anyway.
I refer to the sentence highlighted in red.
Are you implying that Age of Conan is a sandbox game with in-depth crafting?....
That (or some other pithy saying) is the only response they are worth being given.
We're tired of WAR vs AoC posts. We were tired of them 6 months ago. Who cares who has X so-and-so numbers or whatever? Pick the game you want to play. Or pick both. There is no 'vs'.
The only one who should be concerned about comparing their sales/numbers is Blizzard.
Well dA_fReAK, there is video on youtube that addresses this matter. It has been on youtube for an extended period of time, and I am very suprised that no one has posted it on the forums here so I will go ahead and do so. It is very informative and has alot of good information regarding the sales of both. The video can be found here, at this link.
Your welcome in advance.
Ahh thats the second time this week i got rick rolled
Are you implying that Age of Conan is a sandbox game with in-depth crafting?....
I stated what they'd have to implement if they wanted to try and compete with AoC. Wether AoC has the things I listed or not.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
To be honest I don't really see why anyone, including me, are even posting in this thread. The OP did not ask any question and was merely stating facts that they have found. According to that website yes WAR has higher pre-sales then AoC, according to whatever set of data was collected for whatever time frame. The OP even goes on to say that this does not mean that one game is better then then other. Basically thats the end of this thread. It was more of a forum statement rather then for a discussion. Sure we can bicker why one is better then the other, or why one will be more successful, but as far as the thread goes there is nothing left to discuss. We can only speculate on the outcome of both games. Until both have been released for a number of months we won't have a winner. Even by the time WAR is released I think we will have a pretty good idea of the success of AoC.
Oh and I agree with elvenangel, her posts always seem to set things straight at how ridiculous these postings can get.
All rumors, and whats funny is that I can almost ensure you WARHAMMER will be more linear than AoC and filled with long load times because all the PVP you guys rave about takes place in instances. WAR will be the most linear MMO to date.... there is nothing that proves otherwise.
my god..Im so sick of this purposely misinformation filled posts! OH MY GOD a Game has a story line and levels so it must be purely 100 percent linear..thats a load of donkey dung! There's all sorts of hidden and easter egg stuff everywhere in the game that there's NOT one single damn clue about from any npc or tome entry meaning you have to go out and look for it or simply stumble apon it while exploring the world.
Thats right EXPLORING ... finally a game is bringing back the meaning to exploring the world without some NPC telling you too. They reward you with finds of all sorts from tome unlocks, to quests, to random rather powerful RARE things popping out and killing you causing you to probably want to lead a campaign against it for life, and various other random to scripted events.
The game encourages you to heavily explore the world in any fashion you want. You never have to quest to level period. You could grind your whole life, pvp your whole life, explore and simply immerse yourself in the story without ever going to a quest npc. This removes the box & linear part to your argument.
Its not an open box sand game granted..but then how many of those have EVER truely succeeeded. Not even Star Wars Galaxies before its evil dumbnification was truely a success it was a moderately decent release and following which it then proceeded to kill with a 180 on its content.
The only instancing in the game is Scenarios, Certain Boss fights, & a couple of dungeons. The meatiest parts of the game are completely open world especially Keeps. Thats a whole lot less instancing and boxing in than Age of Conan (no offense to the AoC guys I know that there's lots you can do without ever following a quest but you gotta admit you got alot of big quest chains for the PvE side that if you dno't do them you get closed out from other things at end game).
Both games have a chance to do very well for 2 different types of players period. Honestly I wish people would stop posting these threads they just stir up alot of stupidity and trolls. And yes I made that donkey smiliy POO on you poster!
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I don't know if it's been said, but if it has, it's worth repeating: Warhammer CE = #1 Warhammer Online Non-CE = Below 100 AoC CE = #4 AoC Non-CE = #30
Pre orders mean squat because 6-8 months from now until release many people can cancel. So whats the claim to fame going to be " Oh well we had the most pre orders in mmo history " lmao! Wait until the game releases and then go boasting about numbers like wow fans do.
Pre orders mean squat because 6-8 months from now until release many people can cancel. So whats the claim to fame going to be " Oh well we had the most pre orders in mmo history " lmao! Wait until the game releases and then go boasting about numbers like wow fans do.
Pre orders mean squat because 6-8 months from now until release many people can cancel. So whats the claim to fame going to be " Oh well we had the most pre orders in mmo history " lmao! Wait until the game releases and then go boasting about numbers like wow fans do.
Seems to be alright for AoC, but not here? Double standards?
Same applys for AOC. Pre order numbers mean absolutely nothing. This is turning into a he said she said kind of thing over silly pre orders. Totally ridiculous.
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Aha! So you're following my footsteps aye? I didn't fall for it. I check'ed the link at the bottom and I almost KNOW all the RickRoll links at heart!
Clever try young padawan. Keep trying.
Ahhh yes, I thought I would attempt to get you back for the rickroll a few days ago.
I do believe I made it too obvious, unfortunately.
Aha! So you're following my footsteps aye? I didn't fall for it. I check'ed the link at the bottom and I almost KNOW all the RickRoll links at heart!
Clever try young padawan. Keep trying.
Ahhh yes, I thought I would attempt to get you back for the rickroll a few days ago.
Heh, well I just got rickroll'd a while back... and this was a Python script instructional video! Gosh... clever people.
..and AoC has a boxed in world with little room to just go roaming. That kills it for me.
The thing is, there is no AoC vs WAR to begin with. WAR's got their target locked onto WoW. And to try and make a better, richer game of it. If they were competing against AoC, they would make a sandbox game (real time city building, in-depth crafting and more of a world simulator with next gen graphics). But they don't. Cus they are not making that kind of game.
The thing I reacted upon was just the irrelevance of your post. You come here out of the blue saying WAR ain't a better game just cus it might sell more. But if you didn't understand a simple thing like that to begin with you are probably very immature and full of fanboy-ism to begin with and probably won't change one's ground out of reading a post like urs. Let theese threads belong where the fanboy wars are blooming the most (which is not here in the WAR forum) or do as you probably is better of doing, ignore them. Cus we all know they don't lead anywhere anyway.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I was reading about that in a dev blog and I have to say, that did it for me too... I'll try it if I can get a beta invite, but this completely turned me off :P
FFXI: Gauhar - Odin
*gets all confused at the uproaring going on* My head its going to explode! *BOOM!* ok....honestly I don't find this thread that meaningful of a discussion. Anyone with some common sense knows that pre orders mean pretty much diddly at this point. Its awsome its selling well and the CE is obviously going to sell out before launch...but I dont think its indicative of the game's future success at all.
If WAR is to succeed they must live up to the hype & promises & game mechanics they've been pitching. If the game is truely as indepth with its story play, its tome of knowledge, its hidden / easter egg stuff for the explorers, and all the PvP & PvE goodies then its going to be a definite smash success. A WoW success? That I'm not sure of..even if they gave us everything and a box of everlasting chocolate there's just alot of people who prefer WoW simply because its Blizzard and nothing else. There's 10 million accounts in WoW...i have a hard time seeing over half of that 10 convert quickly or at all. There's alot more MMO gamers in the world than just WoW gamers, WAR is probably pulling in those gamers far quicker than some WoW gamers (anyway that was off topic so moving on)
In relation to Age of Conan...there's just very different playstyles & player types these games are going for. There's alot of public negative hype in relation to AoC and Funcom..alot more than in relation to WAR at the moment (that doesnt mean its all true...no knows if its true until release) and the AoC CE has been on sale for far longer meaning its high volume in pre orders has slowed down. Plus other than a mount and a drinking cape the In Game worthiness to those that are MMOers interested in the game and not all that familiar with Conan won't find the CE as appealing to pre order just yet.
With WAR being such a limited number of copies available and the huge HUGE stir around its existance and what all comes in it both Out of game and In game wise its going to be a higher volume of pre orders for another couple of weeks. Slowly though it'll die off as copies become harder to get and the buzz and euphoria die off.
Anyway...OP I tried to stay on topic but you kinda made it hard since you didn't have a direct question or concern to discuss. Try spelling it out instead of beating around the bush. You know like you would for proposal...it helps more if you want your thread taken seriously...er or atleast more serious.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I was reading about that in a dev blog and I have to say, that did it for me too... I'll try it if I can get a beta invite, but this completely turned me off :P
All rumors, and whats funny is that I can almost ensure you WARHAMMER will be more linear than AoC and filled with long load times because all the PVP you guys rave about takes place in instances. WAR will be the most linear MMO to date.... there is nothing that proves otherwise.
The thing is, there is no AoC vs WAR to begin with. WAR's got their target locked onto WoW. And to try and make a better, richer game of it. If they were competing against AoC, they would make a sandbox game (real time city building, in-depth crafting and more of a world simulator with next gen graphics). But they don't. Cus they are not making that kind of game.
The thing I reacted upon was just the irrelevance of your post. You come here out of the blue saying WAR ain't a better game just cus it might sell more. But if you didn't understand a simple thing like that to begin with you are probably very immature and full of fanboy-ism to begin with and probably won't change one's ground out of reading a post like urs. Let theese threads belong where the fanboy wars are blooming the most (which is not here in the WAR forum) or do as you probably is better of doing, ignore them. Cus we all know they don't lead anywhere anyway.
I refer to the sentence highlighted in red.
Are you implying that Age of Conan is a sandbox game with in-depth crafting?....
WAR vs AoC make Baby Jesus cry.
That (or some other pithy saying) is the only response they are worth being given.
We're tired of WAR vs AoC posts. We were tired of them 6 months ago. Who cares who has X so-and-so numbers or whatever? Pick the game you want to play. Or pick both. There is no 'vs'.
The only one who should be concerned about comparing their sales/numbers is Blizzard.
Ahh thats the second time this week i got rick rolled
I stated what they'd have to implement if they wanted to try and compete with AoC. Wether AoC has the things I listed or not.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I stated what they'd have to implement if they wanted to try and compete with AoC. Wether AoC has the things I listed or not.
Thank you for clarifying that.
GAMEPLAY...will determine which game "wins" or "looses" ...not initial dvd sales.
To be honest I don't really see why anyone, including me, are even posting in this thread. The OP did not ask any question and was merely stating facts that they have found. According to that website yes WAR has higher pre-sales then AoC, according to whatever set of data was collected for whatever time frame. The OP even goes on to say that this does not mean that one game is better then then other. Basically thats the end of this thread. It was more of a forum statement rather then for a discussion. Sure we can bicker why one is better then the other, or why one will be more successful, but as far as the thread goes there is nothing left to discuss. We can only speculate on the outcome of both games. Until both have been released for a number of months we won't have a winner. Even by the time WAR is released I think we will have a pretty good idea of the success of AoC.
Oh and I agree with elvenangel, her posts always seem to set things straight at how ridiculous these postings can get.
my god..Im so sick of this purposely misinformation filled posts! OH MY GOD a Game has a story line and levels so it must be purely 100 percent linear..thats a load of donkey dung! There's all sorts of hidden and easter egg stuff everywhere in the game that there's NOT one single damn clue about from any npc or tome entry meaning you have to go out and look for it or simply stumble apon it while exploring the world.
Thats right EXPLORING ... finally a game is bringing back the meaning to exploring the world without some NPC telling you too. They reward you with finds of all sorts from tome unlocks, to quests, to random rather powerful RARE things popping out and killing you causing you to probably want to lead a campaign against it for life, and various other random to scripted events.
The game encourages you to heavily explore the world in any fashion you want. You never have to quest to level period. You could grind your whole life, pvp your whole life, explore and simply immerse yourself in the story without ever going to a quest npc. This removes the box & linear part to your argument.
Its not an open box sand game granted..but then how many of those have EVER truely succeeeded. Not even Star Wars Galaxies before its evil dumbnification was truely a success it was a moderately decent release and following which it then proceeded to kill with a 180 on its content.
The only instancing in the game is Scenarios, Certain Boss fights, & a couple of dungeons. The meatiest parts of the game are completely open world especially Keeps. Thats a whole lot less instancing and boxing in than Age of Conan (no offense to the AoC guys I know that there's lots you can do without ever following a quest but you gotta admit you got alot of big quest chains for the PvE side that if you dno't do them you get closed out from other things at end game).
Both games have a chance to do very well for 2 different types of players period. Honestly I wish people would stop posting these threads they just stir up alot of stupidity and trolls. And yes I made that donkey smiliy POO on you poster!
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I don't know if it's been said, but if it has, it's worth repeating:
Warhammer CE = #1
Warhammer Online Non-CE = Below 100
AoC CE = #4
AoC Non-CE = #30
Conclusion? Probably REALLY close in sales.
Oh and check http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/229575/ref=pd_ts_pg_1?ie=UTF8&pg=1
It updates every hour.
Well there's really no reason to preorder the regular version now since it's still 6 months or more until release and they won't run out of them.
Those numbers have nothing on the Hello Kitty Online expansion pack: The Attack of Badtz Maru
FFXI: Gauhar - Odin
WAr = DAoC's player base. RvR + Wow 's player base
AOC = ... Eve's, DAOC, AO's player base ? GvG
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Who knows ?
http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/171501
Seems to be alright for AoC, but not here? Double standards?
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
No one will leave EvE for AoC or any craptansy mmog,and AoC will be attracting alot of WoW's player base then WAR.
No one will leave EvE for AoC or any craptansy mmog,and AoC will be attracting alot of WoW's player base then WAR.
Although I'm not technically LEAVING, I will be switching most my time from EVE to WAR
FFXI: Gauhar - Odin
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http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/171501
Seems to be alright for AoC, but not here? Double standards?
Same applys for AOC. Pre order numbers mean absolutely nothing. This is turning into a he said she said kind of thing over silly pre orders. Totally ridiculous.