too bad in pc there is so much piracy. In my opinion valve has it best regarding piracy, and that is steam. I dont know why a lot of people hate steam but it works like a charm. Playing offline is a pain tho....
Nevertheless pc has to come up with solutions to these piracy issues otherwise PC platform might die off. But then again, the boundary between a PC and a console is getting narrower.
One thing i dont like is putting in the game cd everytime you want to play it.. i call that bs
Baff, COD4 DID sell less well on PC because of piracy. Seriously, how much longer are you going to keep the flawed arguement that pc gamers don't like shooters like Call of Duty? It's wrong and you know it. I have never argued that CoD4 sold better because of control interface or superior hardware, I suggest you stop putting words in my mouth. furthermore, I NEVER argued that a console controller was better or even as good as a M&K. My response was to the people who play with it for 5 minutes then throw the controller away saying how shit it is. Playing a FPS with a controller works just fine.
And FPS has indeed become the most selling genre on consoles. In this generation, no other genre has sold even close to what FPS sells on consoles these days.
Don't make me dig up your old posts. You know the ones. The ones where you tell us all how superior the Xbox is, the awesome power of the Cell chip. How RAM makes no significant difference. How they are all sold at a loss and the hardware you get in a console is superior to a PC's because it cost more even though you paid less. You know you've done it, and you know you've learnt better now.
Despite your claims that piracy is now more rampant on the PC than ever before, despite your claims that there has been a massive increase in piracy recently, COD4 sold better on the PC than COD2 sold on the PC. Which in turn sold more on the PC than COD sold on the PC.
Increased piracy resulted in record sales...... Not very likely is it?
COD4 sells better on the console because it is a console game. Get over it mate. It appeals more to console owners than it does to PC owners.
And yes, PC gamers aren't as intrested in COD4 as they are other PC titles. It's about as deep as my pond.
You may wish to blame COD4's lower sales on PC format on piracy, but the evidence suggests the opposite. In the end there is one more obvious reason that you don't wish to accept. PC gamers aren't as excited by COD as 360 owners. There are superior shooters on the market, better value games on the market.
Why are you still looking for a complex answer to a simple observation. Console gamers rate COD4 more than PC gamers. The 360 version has outsold the PC version by 20-1. There are more PC's out there than consoles. PC gamers just aren't as intrested in it.
It doesn't have to be some giant convulted rationale of international piracy and manufacturers giving away massively expensive hardware. There is a more simple answer. It's just a question of taste.
Playing an FPS with a controller works crap if you have played one on a keyboard and mouse. Adequate for the job, is not good for the job. Why would you think it takes anymore than 5 minutes to work this out?
Why would I want to spend more than five minutes using one when I know I have a far superior alternative? I wouldn't. It's shit.
That is to say, "comparatively", it's shit. Console controllers are excellent. They just get better and better each generation. But for FPS? It's shit. It only works fine if you have nothing else to compare it to.
Wii sports has outsold the combined FPS sales of all console games all at the same time by a factor of ten.
FIFA 08 has sold more than any FPS game on any console of any generation. It has sold ten times as many copies as COD 4 for example.
Zelda has sold more than any FPS on any platform ever.
@matey above, I hate Steam because I like to play offline on LAN. Otherwise, for people who don't, I consider the service an excellent one.
Piracy is a bane on PC gaming which is shame as it does still hold potential [after all the PC can do other things than play games such as work on them and becoming a media centre ]. Which is why i strongly believe that measured like steam is the way to go as it definitely provides a better form of Protection from piracy, and after a while you get used to it.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Baff, COD4 DID sell less well on PC because of piracy. Seriously, how much longer are you going to keep the flawed arguement that pc gamers don't like shooters like Call of Duty? It's wrong and you know it. I have never argued that CoD4 sold better because of control interface or superior hardware, I suggest you stop putting words in my mouth. furthermore, I NEVER argued that a console controller was better or even as good as a M&K. My response was to the people who play with it for 5 minutes then throw the controller away saying how shit it is. Playing a FPS with a controller works just fine.
And FPS has indeed become the most selling genre on consoles. In this generation, no other genre has sold even close to what FPS sells on consoles these days.
Don't make me dig up your old posts. You know the ones. The ones where you tell us all how superior the Xbox is, the awesome power of the Cell chip. How RAM makes no significant difference. How they are all sold at a loss and the hardware you get in a console is superior to a PC's because it cost more even though you paid less. You know you've done it, and you know you've learnt better now.
Please by all means dig up those posts and read them carefully this time. You'll find that I NEVER argued that a console is better then a beefed up PC. I tell you again, don't put words in my mouth.
Despite your claims that piracy is now more rampant on the PC than ever before, despite your claims that there has been a massive increase in piracy recently, COD4 sold better on the PC than COD2 sold on the PC. Which in turn sold more on the PC than COD sold on the PC.
Obviously since Call of Duty 4 appeals to a much larger audience than Call of Duty 2. CoD4 also sold much better on consoles then previous CoD's, so that's not saying much.
Increased piracy resulted in record sales...... Not very likely is it?
COD4 sells better on the console because it is a console game. Get over it mate. It appeals more to console owners than it does to PC owners.
And yes, PC gamers aren't as intrested in COD4 as they are other PC titles. It's about as deep as my pond.
You may wish to blame COD4's lower sales on PC format on piracy, but the evidence suggests the opposite. In the end there is one more obvious reason that you don't wish to accept. PC gamers aren't as excited by COD as 360 owners. There are superior shooters on the market, better value games on the market.
Why are you still looking for a complex answer to a simple observation. Console gamers rate COD4 more than PC gamers. The 360 version has outsold the PC version by 20-1. There are more PC's out there than consoles. PC gamers just aren't as intrested in it.
It doesn't have to be some giant convulted rationale of international piracy and manufacturers giving away massively expensive hardware. There is a more simple answer. It's just a question of taste.
How long are you going to keep up this flawed arguement that Call of Duty 4 does not appeal to PC owners? Saying that PC owners do not like a game with such a strong multiplayer aspect as Call of Duty 4 is like saying Nintendo fans aren't interested in a Mario Game.
Call of Duty 4 continues to be among the top selling games on the PC.
Your whole arguement that "PC gamers have higher standards waah waah" is bullshit. You continue to deny the REAL issue that the game isn't selling as well as on consoles: It's piracy, it's that simple. What's the use of having such a wide audience if people just pirate the game?
Playing an FPS with a controller works crap if you have played one on a keyboard and mouse. Adequate for the job, is not good for the job. Why would you think it takes anymore than 5 minutes to work this out? Why would I want to spend more than five minutes using one when I know I have a far superior alternative? I wouldn't. It's shit. That is to say, "comparatively", it's shit. Console controllers are excellent. They just get better and better each generation. But for FPS? It's shit. It only works fine if you have nothing else to compare it to. Not really. While it's not as precise as a Mouse & keyboard, it's FAR from shit.
Wii sports has outsold the combined FPS sales of all console games all at the same time by a factor of ten. Seriously Baff, how many times are you going to continue to open your mouth without doing any research whatsoever? Here, I'll educate you again: WII sports is NOT a standalone game, it is NOT sold seperately. It's included with every Wii by default with the exception of Japan. FIFA 08 has sold more than any FPS game on any console of any generation. It has sold ten times as many copies as COD 4 for example. No it hasn't. I'm not sure where you get your information from but it's absolutely incorrect. Fifa08 is not the best selling game. I'm not sure where you get this strange idea that football games suddenly sell 70 million copies. Call of Duty 4 sold 7 million copies (november, 2007) and Halo 3 8.1 million copies (again, just 2007). Fifa3 did not sell that many copies. Zelda has sold more than any FPS on any platform ever.
Twilight Princess? No, Twilight Princess sold 5.6 million units if we include both the Wii and the gamecube versions. Halo2 and Halo 3 both outsell it, and Call of Duty 4 on the 360 alone has probably outsold it by now as well.
In 2006 Madden NFL sold 2.8 million, BF2 2.25 million and COD3 1.1 million.
Nice links, but your aren't linking me to anything I don't already know.
I get my figures the same place you do. NPD. (ELSPA for Europe).
Only I actually look them up before posting, rather than just know it all instinctively.
Halo 3 is packaged with the XBox 360 too. Shall we discount some of their sales as never happening too.
All consoles come with packaged games. Do you think if the Wii had come packaged with COD4 instead of Wii Sports it would have sold as well? I don't.
It's not a beefed up PC you thought a console was more powerful than, it was a mid ranged gaming machine. Even a low end one for that matter. You thought you'd bought the miracle buy. Sale of the Century.
You want to believe. You are a willing victim. What ever those marketing people tell you, you want to hear it. If it sounds too good to be true, you still think it is.
Yes, COD 4 did sell more on consoles than COD2 did. As it did on PC. If the PC version had sold less, you would have had a point. But then it didn't, did it?
And yes, as long as readily available alternatives are significantly better something can be described as shit. FPS games are made noticeably less enjoyable by using an analogue controller as an interface instead of a keyboard and mouse.
It makes the game worse. Hence it is shit.
Things that make things worse are not "great", they are not even "just fine". They are shit.
By the end of 2007.... Call of Duty sold 7.5 million copies. FiFA 08 sold 75 million. Wii sports sold 175 million.
Nice links, but your aren't linking me to anything I don't already know. I get my figures the same place you do. NPD. Only I actually look them up before posting, rather than just know it all instinctively. Okay it's clear that you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. NPD only counts North American numbers, the idea that a football game would sell 75 million copies in North America is hilarious. Ofcourse it's also completely incorrect, no game has ever sold that amount of copies. Wii sports sold 175 million copies? I'm sorry Baff but I just have to ask...are you on crack? 175 million copies? There are only 20 million wii's sold worldwide.. You clearly have not checked any numbers whatsoever and you fail to provide any link.You just made up those numbers. Halo 3 is packaged with the XBox 360 too. Shall we discount some of their sales as never happening too. Halo 3 has only been packaged with one set and I think it was a limited edition. Even the Halo 3 themed Xbox360 does not come with the game. All consoles come with packaged games. Do you think if the Wii had come packaged with COD4 instead of Wii Sports it would have sold as well? I don't. But as I said, YOU CAN'T buy Wii sports seperately from the Wii, it comes directly with EVERY Wii.
It's not a beefed up PC you thought a console was more powerful than, it was a mid ranged gaming machine. Even a low end one for that matter. You thought you'd bought the miracle buy. Sale of the Century. What I argued was that a console was indeed better then a mid range PC. You want to believe. You are a willing victim. What ever those marketing people tell you, you want to hear it. If it sounds too good to be true, you think it still is. It's faith mate. You run on blind faith. You have already signed up to how fabluous it all is before you go surfing off after examples to reassure yourself. You never look for anything that might counter balance your opinion. You aren't intrested in getting a balanced perspective, because you have already decided what's what before you begin your investigations. Actually I don't. You know what the real issue here is Baff? Your ignorance. You just feel such a strong need to justify spending a crapload of money on your high end PC that you feel a strong need to bash down on consoles. I am very interested in getting a balanced perspective on the situation. In fact, I WAS a PC gamer before I turned back to consoles, so I speak from experience. Every single arguement you had has been completely ridiculous. From the arguement that modern consoles are even worse then low end computers to the one where you claimed that modern consoles had already peaked in graphics display, every single one is incorrect and a clear grasp at straws. No person who knows what he is talking about would argue that a game like Call of Duty 4 does not appeal to the FPS crowd of PC gaming. That's why you link me to COD's sales but don't even bother to look up FIFA 08's. Because even when you don't know, you already know. You wanted Fifa08 numbers? why didn't you just ask? www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php Fifa08 sold 4,5 million copies. Ofcourse it's a far cry from your 75 million copies arguement, but we both knew you pulled that straigth out of your ass. Yes, COD 4 did sell more on consoles than COD2 did. As it did on PC. If the PC version had sold less, you would have had a point. But then it didn't, did it? I think you missed the point of my arguement. And yes, as long as readily available alternatives are all significantly better something can be described as shit. FPS games are made noticeably less enjoyable by using an analogue controller as an interface instead of a keyboard and mouse. It makes the game worse. Hence it is shit. Things that make things worse are not "great", they are not even "just fine". They are shit. That's ridiculous. is any car other then the newest ferrari a "shit" car? Is any food other then the ones from the best chefs "shit"? Is any TV that doesn't have the latest bells and whistles shit? Ofcourse not. If you think anything but the best is shit then it's time to adjust your standards.
While Skoda's are indeed great cars, when the road is full of Ferrari's they are shit.
They are also shit on a road full of Ford Mondeo's.
That you have owned a PC and gone back to consoles really makes very little difference to me. The controller is still shit, and they still aren't as powerful as any new PC. It wouldn't really make much difference to me if you had never used either.
A balanced perspective involves looking at the strengths and flaws of each platform not just refusing to admit that your personal choice doesn't have any flaws.
NPD has a sister organisation called ELSPA. They deal with the European side.
Sorry about those Wii sports figures I am indeed off the deep end with that one. I missed the decimal point so to speak. That's 17.85 million sales in 2007.
What a numpty I am.
Still vastly outselling COD4 or any shooter mind you.
Given I got it that far wrong I'll need to re-check up on FiFa's sales.
I can tell you that Fifa 2008 sold 4.5 million in the first week, doubling Halo 3's previous sales record.
And yes, on further investigation I am forced to come clean and say I pulled that 75 million figure for FiFa out of my arse too.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for the correction and apologise for my rudeness to you.
While Skoda's are indeed great cars, when the road is full of Ferrari's they are shit. They are also shit on a road full of Ford Mondeo's. That you have owned a PC and gone back to consoles really makes very little difference to me. The controller is still shit, and they still aren't as powerful as any new PC. It wouldn't really make much difference to me if you had never used either. A balanced perspective involves looking at the strengths and flaws of each platform not just refusing to admit that your personal choice doesn't have any flaws.
NPD has a sister organisation called ELSPA. They deal with the European side.
Sorry about those Wii sports figures I am indeed off the deep end with that one. I missed the decimal point so to speak. That's 17.85 million sales in 2007. What a numpty I am. Still vastly outselling COD4 or any shooter mind you.
Given I got it that far wrong I'll need to re-check up on FiFa's sales. I can tell you that Fifa 2008 sold 4.5 million in the first week, doubling Halo 3's previous sales record.
Fifa did not sell 4,5 million copies in its first week. It sold 1 million copies in its first week in Europe, which is clearly the largest audience for Fifa games so it's unlikely it sold anywhere near that number in NA.
and seriously, I can't help but wonder what you're trying to achieve by stating that Wii sports outsold CoD4...it comes with every Wii, it's not a standalone game...
You don't need to recheck Fifa sales, I already posted Fifa's fiscal sales. It's 4,5 million copies.
Fifa doesn't sell anywhere near Halo 3. There is a reason why there are midnight launches for Halo 3 but not for Fifa.
Pplease re -read my edited post above so as not to miss my apology to you for getting it so wrong and being rude about it to boot.
The 4.5 million sales of of FIFA 08 were it's first week sales. (And double those of Halo 3 the previous console record holder).
The Warcraft expansion also had shops open all night on launch. As did I-phone and Ps2, PS3, Xbox and Xbox 360.
What difference does it make to me whether a game is stand alone or not?
You must surely understand that Wii not making a load of shooter games makes it an easier choice for familes. That Wii sports, the tennis, the boxing the golf, is the reason why people all bought the Wii.
They hadn't seen any other games. They saw Wii sports and all rushed out to buy the machine in droves.
Wii sports is the only game I've ever played on the Wii.
P.S. if Fifa 2007 sold 4.5 million copies in the first week in Europe alone, that means it sold even more world wide. Not less.
I do agree that NA is a market it will significanlty miss out on. However Japan, Korea and in fact every other country in the world should be fine with it.
Pplease re -read my edited post above so as not to miss my apology to you for getting it so wrong and being rude about it to boot. The 4.5 million sales of of FIFA 08 were it's first week sales. (And double those of Halo 3 the previous console record holder). The Warcraft expansion also had shops open all night on launch. As did I-phone and Ps2, PS3, Xbox and Xbox 360.
What difference does it make to me whether a game is stand alone or not? You must surely understand that Wii not making a load of shooter games makes it an easier choice for familes. That Wii sports, the tennis, the boxing the golf, is the reason why people all bought the Wii. They hadn't seen any other games. They saw Wii sports and all rushed out to buy the machine in droves. Wii sports is the only game I've ever played on the Wii.
P.S. if Fifa 2007 sold 4.5 million copies in the first week in Europe alone, that means it sold even more world wide. Not less. I do agree that NA is a market it will significanlty miss out on. However Japan, Korea and in fact every other country in the world should be fine with it.
*sigh* Baff, why don't you just give up? Fifa did not sell 4,5 million copies in 1 week, it sold 4,5 million copies in that entire quarter worldwide. Fifa does NOT outsell Halo. Fifa sold 1 million copies in its first week in Europe, not 4,5 million.
what difference does it make if the game is a standalone pack or not? Well a lot. It doesn't say anything about the popularity of the game, because people aren't given the choice. It's pointless to compare a game that comes for free with the console to a game that isn't. Wii play sold million of copies but everyone knows that's because it comes with an extra Wii remote.
Games like Halo and Warcraft gain those midnight launches BECAUSE they are such popular, good selling games. Fifa is not a bad selling game ofcourse, but it doesn't sell anywhere near the numbers of Warcraft and Halo.
I'm getting "rude" because I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion here. I have been looking up actual numbers and checking facts while you just completely make up your own numbers without doing any research whatsoever.
If you start a discussion then you have to keep in mind there is always someone willing to check your facts.
(2 million more than either Halo or Halo 2.) More than Halo 3.
........all this with a target audience of only 2/3 of that vailable to Halo.
It's touch and go whether or not that is more than COD4 in my opinion, I'd have to find out COD 4's sales to date.
Sorry but I don't agree. Consoles sell on their flagship titles. You don't buy a Wii to look at it, you buy it to play a game.
Wipeout drove Playstation sales.
Wii Play, whatever that may be has been outselling all the shooter titles too. (Lets face it, so has Nintendogs).
I cannot concur with you that 20 million people bought a Wii but didn't want to play the games on it. They did have a choice. They could have chosen COD or Halo 3.
Neither is Wii Sports free. It's included in the price, just as any other packaged game is.
(As you rightly point out with PC gaming, price is a big factor, nonetheless it shipped with a sports game not an FPS).
I didn't think you had been getting rude at all GL, I thought I had. (And for the same reasons you cite).
The reason games like Halo and Warcraft launch at night is to drive publicity. It's the same reason movies have premieres. They need to make the news for free advertising. It's a publicity stunt.
It is in order to drive demand, not as a response to it.
I put it to you, that the reason Nintendo games sell the most, is primarily because they run on the cheapest hardware. I put it to you that this is the same reason that console games sell better than PC games.
That when push comes to shove, Skoda's outsell Ferrari's. They always will and you should expect them to.
I'm just reading their share holder reports. Fiscal year 2008 Second quarter, over 1 million copies sold. Third quarter over 4.5 million copies sold. Fourth quarter 4.5 million copies sold.
That's over 10 million sales. (2 million more than either Halo or Halo 2.) More than Halo 3. ........all this with a target audience of only 2/3 of that vailable to Halo. It's touch and go whether or not that is more than COD4 in my opinion, I'd have to find out COD 4's sales to date. That's not seperate, those are all included. That means it sold 1 million by second quarter and 4.5 million by fourth quarter. But I'd like to see your source because the source I posted only speaks of one fiscal period. Fifa08 REALLY didn't sell 10 million copies worldwide. There is a good reason why Fifa is not getting the attention Halo 3 gets, because it's franchise just isn't as big.
Sorry but I don't agree. Consoles sell on their flagship titles. You don't buy a Wii to look at it, you buy it to play a game. Wipeout drove Playstation sales. Wii Play, whatever that may be has been outselling all the shooter titles too. (Lets face it, so has Nintendogs). I cannot concur with you that 20 million people bought a Wii but didn't want to play the games on it. They did have a choice. They could have chosen COD or Halo 3. Neither is Wii Sports free. It's included in the price, just as any other packaged game is. (As you rightly point out with PC gaming, price is a big factor, nonetheless it shipped with a sports game not an FPS). These things sell consoles, sure, but you can't compare the sales of those to sales of something like Call of Duty 4 which is a standaloen game. Saying "It sold more then CoD4" is only because it comes with the system, so people didn't have a choice. Also, Wii play has not outsold the shooters. Halo 3 outsold Wii Play. kotaku.com/346135/halo-3-beats-out-wii-play-for-best-selling-video-game-of-2007
I didn't think you had been getting rude at all GL, I thought I had. (And for the same reasons you cite).
The reason games like Halo and Warcraft launch at night is to drive publicity. It's the same reason movies have premieres. They need to make the news for free advertising. It's a publicity stunt. Well first of all midnight launches are events held by stores, not by the development companies themself. Stores have these midnight launches because those games are so popular and are in such high demand and Fifa simply isn't one of those games. Seriously, who in their right mind would wait hours in line for a Fifa game? Fifa sold 1 million copies in Europe in its first week, Halo 3 sold more then that in its first 24 hours in NA alone. While we don't know the exact sales of Halo 3 on day 1, we do know that over 1 million people logged in to the Halo 3 servers in the first 24 hours, so that's just counting the people who played online. It is in order to drive demand, not as a response to it.
I put it to you, that the reason Nintendo games sell the most, is primarily because they run on the cheapest hardware. I put it to you that this is the same reason that console games sell better than PC games. That when push comes to shove, Skoda's outsell Ferrari's. They always will and you should expect them to. I don't think price is the only factor. the Gamecube was less expensive then the Playstation 2 but the Playstation 2 still dominated the gamecube. In fact, in Europe, the Xbox360 is currently cheaper then the Wii, but the more expensive consoles still outsell it.
Intresting bits I've found so far, Sports games are the primary area of EA's business. (EA is the worlds largest games publisher). Madden and FiFa are it's two biggest selling IP's. (The Sims isn't doing bad either).
They made most revenues on PS2 (by a factor of almost 2), second was PC and third was Xbox 360.
Net revenues for Europe for 2007 were $1,261 million primarily driven by FiFa 07 and Need for Speed Carbon.
Net sales for the U.S. were $1,666 million primarily driven by Madden NFL 07, Need for Speed Carbon and NCAA Football.
Sports titles are where the money is at.
Here are the second quarter reports for 2008,
"-- FIFA 08 sold 2.9 million copies internationally - with sell through at retail up double digits year-over-year."
"The publisher also said seven of its games sold over three million units: Madden NFL 07, Need for Speed Carbon, FIFA 07, The Sims 2 Pets, The Sims 2, Need for Speed Most Wanted and 2006 FIFA World Cup"
Which means sales of FIFA 08 < 3 million for this quarter.
"Popular titles for the year included Madden NFL 07, its singular top seller, and Need for Speed Carbon, which moved 8.5 million copies,"
Madden NFL 07 has sold more than Need for Speed Carbon (>8.5 million sales), and more than Fifa 08. this year.
Sports games sell better than shooters in the U.S. too.
I don't know why you think FIFA isn't a big title. I even own a couple of FIFA titles, and I hate football with a passion.
And I fundamentally disagree, people did have a choice. They could have bought an Xbox 360 if they didn't want to play Wii sports. Whether you like it or not, the best selling game of last year was a sports game.
Smart marketing is a factor in sales. Nintendo went with a sports game because that's where the market is. More people bought Wii with Wii Sports, than Xbox 360 with Halo 3. It was their choice.
Presumably if the XBOX 360 is cheaper than the Wii, they could have bought an XBOX 360 and COD. Or an XBOX 360 and Halo instead. Only they didn't.
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Wii Play has sold 9.5 million copies, your link is only for U.S. sales.
Some more figures I bumped into.
Crysis had sold over a million by Christmas. That's treble the amount of sales COD 4 had made on PC. Hardly suprising really, since it is a dedicated PC title and not a cheapily made console port.
Intresting bits I've found so far, Sports games are the primary area of EA's business. (EA is the worlds largest games publisher). Madden and FiFa are it's two biggest selling IP's. (The Sims isn't doing bad either). They made most revenues on PS2 (by a factor of almost 2), second was PC and third was Xbox 360. Net revenues for Europe for 2007 were $1,261 million primarily driven by FiFa 07 and Need for Speed Carbon. Net sales for the U.S. were $1,666 million primarily driven by Madden NFL 07, Need for Speed Carbon and NCAA Football. Sports titles are where the money is at.
So thats 7.4 million sold by Christmas Couple of important things to take note here: Fifa08 is sold among 9 different platforms and not every version are the same, they only share the same name. When they said over a million they didn't mean 2.9 million. They said over a million in EUROPE, you're talking internationally.
Fourth quarter http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13844 "The publisher also said seven of its games sold over three million units: Madden NFL 07, Need for Speed Carbon, FIFA 07, The Sims 2 Pets, The Sims 2, Need for Speed Most Wanted and 2006 FIFA World Cup"
Which means sales of FIFA 08 < 3 million for this quarter. No, that's an old report. That report is talking about Fifa07, not Fifa08.
"Popular titles for the year included Madden NFL 07, its singular top seller, and Need for Speed Carbon, which moved 8.5 million copies," Madden NFL 07 has sold more than Need for Speed Carbon (>8.5 million sales), and more than Fifa 08. this year. Sports games sell better than shooters in the U.S. too. Again, you need to look at the actual games. Need for Speed Carbon was sold among 12 different platforms and again, not every version is the same. It's the same for Madden, it's sold on 11 different platforms. The only thing those games have in common is that they share the same name. Compared to Call of Duty 4 which is sold on 3 platforms (and every version is identical) and Halo 3, which is sold on 1 platform.
I don't know why you think FIFA isn't a big title. I even own a couple of FIFA titles, and I hate football with a passion. I never said that Fifa isn't a big title, it's just not as big as Halo 3 or CoD4.
And I fundamentally disagree, people did have a choice. They could have bought an Xbox 360 if they didn't want to play Wii sports. Whether you like it or not, the best selling game of last year was a sports game. Smart marketing is a factor in sales. Nintendo went with a sports game because that's where the market is. More people bought Wii with Wii Sports, than Xbox 360 with Halo 3. It was their choice. Presumably if the XBOX 360 is cheaper than the Wii, they could have bought an XBOX 360 and COD. Or an XBOX 360 and Halo instead. Only they didn't. Because a lot of people bought the Wii, but not for Wii sports. It just came with it, you don't have a choice. Saying "Oh but you could have bought another console" is not a valid arguement. What if someone wants to buy a Wii to play, say, Super Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros brawl. They have to take Wii sports with it because it comes with it for free. If Microsoft gave Halo 3 with every
. Wii Play has sold 9.5 million copies, your link is only for U.S. sales. My numbers are worldwide. Also, wii play sold 9,3 million units and that's since december 2006, so that includes 2 christmas sales instead of 1.
Some more figures I bumped into. Crysis had sold over a million by Christmas. That's treble the amount of sales COD 4 had made on PC. Hardly suprising really, since it is a dedicated PC title and not a cheapily made console port.
Infinity Ward has not released any numbers for PC Call of Duty 4. What we do know that is that Call of Duty 4 has been outselling Crysis for months now and Crysis is no longer in the top 10.
In which top ten? Crysis is in every top ten I look at. It has been since launch.
COD4 is outselling Crysis in the XBox top ten.
Crysis has outsold COD4 on "only one platform".
In fact if we are now going by only one platform, is COD 4 even a top ten title anymore?
Surely part of it's success is that it has been able to span multiple platforms. Not as many as FIFA perhaps or Need for Speed Carbon or Madden NFL.
I don't think you can have it both ways.
FIFA is way bigger than Halo or COD, it has been around for decades.
There are 15 installments of the football game, and another 5 installments of the football manager. It is an internationally recognised and best selling brandname and the most widely recognised sporting associtation on the planet. You don't get brands bigger than FIFA. Many people in the world do not know what COD or Halo is. FIFA is a household name.
Sorry but the sales figures for Super Mario's don't add up.
Who cares if people did buy the Wii for Super Mario's. Lets take away one Wii sports for every Super Mario sold.
We are still left with 15 million Wii sports sales.
But lets not.
Wii Sports is the big seller.
FPS are not big sellers on Wii. People are not buying the Wii because they want to play COD 3. FPS is not driving those sales.
I notice that in your two examples of other games people might have bought the Wii for, that no FPS is mentioned. And you should too.
Why is it not a valid argument that people who bought Wii could have bought an XBox if they were more intrested in FPS games?
It is a completely valid argument. People who buy Wii's are not intrested in FPS. They are intrested in Sports and platform games. That's why they bought Wii. And that's why Wii Sports outsells Halo 2-1.
I fail to see absolutely that people who bought the Wii weren't intrested in playing Wii Sports and and only bought it to play FPS games. If they had wanted FPS, HALO was on the market already.
They didn't. Wii sports is the best selling video game of last year. People didn't buy it by mistake. It is the flagship title. The game that sold the console.
You say a lot of people bought the Wii but not for Wii Sports, and yet all the people I know bought it for Wii sports. I have never seen anyone play any other game on it ever.
Wii Sports is not free. It does not come with it for free. Nothing is free. It is included in the price. Nintendo didn't give Wii Sports away for free, they sold it for profit.
Xbox 360 did come packaged with Halo. We don't have to imagine Halo's sales if it was packaged with the XBOX 360, it was. ( And it didn't shift 20 million untis). Halo is a flagship title for the Xbox. Many of Halo's sales were made by packaging it with the X box. The title was not strong enough however to drive the complete launch. Wii Sports has been.
Playstation has traditionally gone with driving games for it's flagship titles.
They specifically mention FiFA's sales at 2.9 million for that quarter. Previously I had only included the comments in which they included FIFA as one of their many titles that had sold over 1 million in that quarter. Towards the end of that report they give it a specific mention due to it's record sales.
"The top ten best selling games in the USA for last year are after the jump.
01. Halo 3 (Xbox 360) - 4,820,000
02. Wii Play with Remote (Wii) - 4,120,000"
HaLo and Halo 2 have had god knows how many christmas sales, they have been sold on at least 2 platforms, and Wii Play has outsold them both on only one. (The link you gave me was the U.S. sales only).
Warcraft has outsold COD 4 on only one Platform.
FPS's are not the top selling game format. They aren't the top selling console game format either.
They are however best selling and the XBOX 360 market is dominated by them.
In which top ten? Crysis is in every top ten I look at. It has been since launch. COD4 is outselling Crysis in the XBox top ten. Crysis has outsold COD4 on "only one platform". Not really. I posted the PC sales numbers in this thread before, look it up. Call of Duty 4 is still selling in the top 10, Crysis is not.
In fact if we are now going by only one platform, is COD 4 even a top ten title anymore? That doesn't make any sense. Surely part of it's success is that it has been able to span multiple platforms. Not as many as FIFA perhaps or Need for Speed Carbon or Madden NFL. There is a difference between a game being sold among 9 platforms and a game sold on only 3 platforms. I don't think you can have it both ways.
FIFA is way bigger than Halo or COD, it has been around for decades. Not anymore mate. Halo has saved the entire Xbox franchise and it has an attachment rate of almost 50%. Fifa needs to release on 9 platforms to get anywhere near what Halo does on 1 platform. There are 15 installments of the football game, and another 5 installments of the football manager. It is an internationally recognised and best selling brandname and the most widely recognised sporting associtation on the planet. You don't get brands bigger than FIFA. Many people in the world do not know what COD or Halo is. FIFA is a household name. You're only helping my arguement. 15 installments, official license, and they STILL can't do what Halo can do on 1 platform. Just face it, halo has a much, much larger impact on the game industry then Fifa has.
Sorry but the sales figures for Super Mario's don't add up. Who cares if people did buy the Wii for Super Mario's. Lets take away one Wii sports for every Super Mario sold. We are still left with 15 million Wii sports sales. But lets not. Wii Sports is the big seller. FPS are not big sellers on Wii. People are not buying the Wii because they want to play COD 3. FPS is not driving those sales. I notice that in your two examples of other games people might have bought the Wii for, that no FPS is mentioned. And you should too. Why is it not a valid argument that people who bought Wii could have bought an XBox if they were more intrested in FPS games? It is a completely valid argument. People who buy Wii's are not intrested in FPS. They are intrested in Sports and platform games. That's why they bought Wii. And that's why Wii Sports outsells Halo 2-1.
I fail to see absolutely that people who bought the Wii weren't intrested in playing Wii Sports and and only bought it to play FPS games. If they had wanted FPS, HALO was on the market already. They didn't. Wii sports is the best selling video game of last year. People didn't buy it by mistake. It is the flagship title. The game that sold the console. You say a lot of people bought the Wii but not for Wii Sports, and yet all the people I know bought it for Wii sports. I have never seen anyone play any other game on it ever. Wii Sports is not free. It does not come with it for free. Nothing is free. It is included in the price. Nintendo didn't give Wii Sports away for free, they sold it for profit.
Xbox 360 did come packaged with Halo. We don't have to imagine Halo's sales if it was packaged with the XBOX 360, it was. ( And it didn't shift 20 million untis). Halo is a flagship title for the Xbox. Many of Halo's sales were made by packaging it with the X box. The title was not strong enough however to drive the complete launch. Wii Sports has been. I honnestly don't understand why you still keep this flawed arguement up. NOBODY bought Wii sports and nobody chose to buy Wii sports since it came with the Wii. The Wii is the big seller. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that people bought the Wii for wii sports. Where is the evidence that people who buy the Wii are interested in sports games? There are tons of games that people could buy the Wii for, Zelda, Mario, Smash bros, Mario Kart, Metroid Prime. Wii sports comes with every console. Heck, every Xbox360 comes with hexic. Did people buy the 360 for Hexic? Ofcourse not. Nobody bought the 360 to play Hexic. Did people bought the Wii for wii sports? Oh I'm sure plenty of them did. But to claim that Wii sports "Is the big winner" when it comes with every Wii so people who are interested in the Wii don't have a choice is ridiculous.
Playstation has traditionally gone with driving games for it's flagship titles.
They specifically mention FiFA's sales at 2.9 million for that quarter. Previously I had only included the comments in which they included FIFA as one of their many titles that had sold over 1 million in that quarter. Towards the end of that report they give it a specific mention due to it's record sales.
"The top ten best selling games in the USA for last year are after the jump. 01. Halo 3 (Xbox 360) - 4,820,000
02. Wii Play with Remote (Wii) - 4,120,000" I have posted more links.
HaLo and Halo 2 have had god knows how many christmas sales, they have been sold on at least 2 platforms, and Wii Play has outsold them both on only one. (The link you gave me was the U.S. sales only). But those are older games. Halo and Halo 2 are not Halo 3. Also, I was talking about 2007 sales hence why Wii play would be a silly comparisson. Ofcourse Wii play will sell well, it's only 10$ more expensive to buy a Wii play Warcraft has outsold COD 4 on only one Platform. FPS's are not the top selling game format. They aren't the top selling console game format either.
They are however best selling and the XBOX 360 market is dominated by them.
www.next-gen.biz/index.php There we go, these are the top 100 games of the past 12 months for NA and Europe. Call of Duty 4 takes number 1 and Halo 3 takes number 2.
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too bad in pc there is so much piracy. In my opinion valve has it best regarding piracy, and that is steam. I dont know why a lot of people hate steam but it works like a charm. Playing offline is a pain tho....
Nevertheless pc has to come up with solutions to these piracy issues otherwise PC platform might die off. But then again, the boundary between a PC and a console is getting narrower.
One thing i dont like is putting in the game cd everytime you want to play it.. i call that bs
i~ku~ra
Don't make me dig up your old posts. You know the ones. The ones where you tell us all how superior the Xbox is, the awesome power of the Cell chip. How RAM makes no significant difference. How they are all sold at a loss and the hardware you get in a console is superior to a PC's because it cost more even though you paid less. You know you've done it, and you know you've learnt better now.
Despite your claims that piracy is now more rampant on the PC than ever before, despite your claims that there has been a massive increase in piracy recently, COD4 sold better on the PC than COD2 sold on the PC. Which in turn sold more on the PC than COD sold on the PC.
Increased piracy resulted in record sales...... Not very likely is it?
COD4 sells better on the console because it is a console game. Get over it mate. It appeals more to console owners than it does to PC owners.
And yes, PC gamers aren't as intrested in COD4 as they are other PC titles. It's about as deep as my pond.
You may wish to blame COD4's lower sales on PC format on piracy, but the evidence suggests the opposite. In the end there is one more obvious reason that you don't wish to accept. PC gamers aren't as excited by COD as 360 owners. There are superior shooters on the market, better value games on the market.
Why are you still looking for a complex answer to a simple observation. Console gamers rate COD4 more than PC gamers. The 360 version has outsold the PC version by 20-1. There are more PC's out there than consoles. PC gamers just aren't as intrested in it.
It doesn't have to be some giant convulted rationale of international piracy and manufacturers giving away massively expensive hardware. There is a more simple answer. It's just a question of taste.
Playing an FPS with a controller works crap if you have played one on a keyboard and mouse. Adequate for the job, is not good for the job. Why would you think it takes anymore than 5 minutes to work this out?
Why would I want to spend more than five minutes using one when I know I have a far superior alternative? I wouldn't. It's shit.
That is to say, "comparatively", it's shit. Console controllers are excellent. They just get better and better each generation. But for FPS? It's shit. It only works fine if you have nothing else to compare it to.
Wii sports has outsold the combined FPS sales of all console games all at the same time by a factor of ten.
FIFA 08 has sold more than any FPS game on any console of any generation. It has sold ten times as many copies as COD 4 for example.
Zelda has sold more than any FPS on any platform ever.
@matey above, I hate Steam because I like to play offline on LAN. Otherwise, for people who don't, I consider the service an excellent one.
Piracy is a bane on PC gaming which is shame as it does still hold potential [after all the PC can do other things than play games such as work on them and becoming a media centre ]. Which is why i strongly believe that measured like steam is the way to go as it definitely provides a better form of Protection from piracy, and after a while you get used to it.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Don't make me dig up your old posts. You know the ones. The ones where you tell us all how superior the Xbox is, the awesome power of the Cell chip. How RAM makes no significant difference. How they are all sold at a loss and the hardware you get in a console is superior to a PC's because it cost more even though you paid less. You know you've done it, and you know you've learnt better now.
Please by all means dig up those posts and read them carefully this time. You'll find that I NEVER argued that a console is better then a beefed up PC. I tell you again, don't put words in my mouth.
Despite your claims that piracy is now more rampant on the PC than ever before, despite your claims that there has been a massive increase in piracy recently, COD4 sold better on the PC than COD2 sold on the PC. Which in turn sold more on the PC than COD sold on the PC.
Obviously since Call of Duty 4 appeals to a much larger audience than Call of Duty 2. CoD4 also sold much better on consoles then previous CoD's, so that's not saying much.
Increased piracy resulted in record sales...... Not very likely is it?
COD4 sells better on the console because it is a console game. Get over it mate. It appeals more to console owners than it does to PC owners.
And yes, PC gamers aren't as intrested in COD4 as they are other PC titles. It's about as deep as my pond.
You may wish to blame COD4's lower sales on PC format on piracy, but the evidence suggests the opposite. In the end there is one more obvious reason that you don't wish to accept. PC gamers aren't as excited by COD as 360 owners. There are superior shooters on the market, better value games on the market.
Why are you still looking for a complex answer to a simple observation. Console gamers rate COD4 more than PC gamers. The 360 version has outsold the PC version by 20-1. There are more PC's out there than consoles. PC gamers just aren't as intrested in it.
It doesn't have to be some giant convulted rationale of international piracy and manufacturers giving away massively expensive hardware. There is a more simple answer. It's just a question of taste.
How long are you going to keep up this flawed arguement that Call of Duty 4 does not appeal to PC owners? Saying that PC owners do not like a game with such a strong multiplayer aspect as Call of Duty 4 is like saying Nintendo fans aren't interested in a Mario Game.
Lets look at the actual facts
NPD nunbers:
Top 20 PC game sales for January:
comming in at number 1:
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
kotaku.com/362161/the-20-top+selling-pc-games-for-january-wer
Sales charts Feb 24 - March 1:
comming it at number 2:
Call of duty 4: Modern warfare
kotaku.com/366712/pc-sales-charts-feb-24-+-march-1
Sales charts March 16 - 22:
comming in at number 4:
kotaku.com/374931/pc-sales-charts-march-16+22
Call of Duty 4 continues to be among the top selling games on the PC.
Your whole arguement that "PC gamers have higher standards waah waah" is bullshit. You continue to deny the REAL issue that the game isn't selling as well as on consoles: It's piracy, it's that simple. What's the use of having such a wide audience if people just pirate the game?
By the end of 2007....
Call of Duty sold 7.5 million copies.
FiFA 08 sold 75 million.
Wii sports sold 175 million.
Football games have always outsold shooters.
In 2006 Madden NFL sold 2.8 million, BF2 2.25 million and COD3 1.1 million.
Nice links, but your aren't linking me to anything I don't already know.
I get my figures the same place you do. NPD. (ELSPA for Europe).
Only I actually look them up before posting, rather than just know it all instinctively.
Halo 3 is packaged with the XBox 360 too. Shall we discount some of their sales as never happening too.
All consoles come with packaged games. Do you think if the Wii had come packaged with COD4 instead of Wii Sports it would have sold as well? I don't.
It's not a beefed up PC you thought a console was more powerful than, it was a mid ranged gaming machine. Even a low end one for that matter. You thought you'd bought the miracle buy. Sale of the Century.
You want to believe. You are a willing victim. What ever those marketing people tell you, you want to hear it. If it sounds too good to be true, you still think it is.
Yes, COD 4 did sell more on consoles than COD2 did. As it did on PC. If the PC version had sold less, you would have had a point. But then it didn't, did it?
And yes, as long as readily available alternatives are significantly better something can be described as shit. FPS games are made noticeably less enjoyable by using an analogue controller as an interface instead of a keyboard and mouse.
It makes the game worse. Hence it is shit.
Things that make things worse are not "great", they are not even "just fine". They are shit.
While Skoda's are indeed great cars, when the road is full of Ferrari's they are shit.
They are also shit on a road full of Ford Mondeo's.
That you have owned a PC and gone back to consoles really makes very little difference to me. The controller is still shit, and they still aren't as powerful as any new PC. It wouldn't really make much difference to me if you had never used either.
A balanced perspective involves looking at the strengths and flaws of each platform not just refusing to admit that your personal choice doesn't have any flaws.
NPD has a sister organisation called ELSPA. They deal with the European side.
Sorry about those Wii sports figures I am indeed off the deep end with that one. I missed the decimal point so to speak. That's 17.85 million sales in 2007.
What a numpty I am.
Still vastly outselling COD4 or any shooter mind you.
Given I got it that far wrong I'll need to re-check up on FiFa's sales.
I can tell you that Fifa 2008 sold 4.5 million in the first week, doubling Halo 3's previous sales record.
And yes, on further investigation I am forced to come clean and say I pulled that 75 million figure for FiFa out of my arse too.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for the correction and apologise for my rudeness to you.
and seriously, I can't help but wonder what you're trying to achieve by stating that Wii sports outsold CoD4...it comes with every Wii, it's not a standalone game...
You don't need to recheck Fifa sales, I already posted Fifa's fiscal sales. It's 4,5 million copies.
Fifa doesn't sell anywhere near Halo 3. There is a reason why there are midnight launches for Halo 3 but not for Fifa.
Pplease re -read my edited post above so as not to miss my apology to you for getting it so wrong and being rude about it to boot.
The 4.5 million sales of of FIFA 08 were it's first week sales. (And double those of Halo 3 the previous console record holder).
The Warcraft expansion also had shops open all night on launch. As did I-phone and Ps2, PS3, Xbox and Xbox 360.
What difference does it make to me whether a game is stand alone or not?
You must surely understand that Wii not making a load of shooter games makes it an easier choice for familes. That Wii sports, the tennis, the boxing the golf, is the reason why people all bought the Wii.
They hadn't seen any other games. They saw Wii sports and all rushed out to buy the machine in droves.
Wii sports is the only game I've ever played on the Wii.
P.S. if Fifa 2007 sold 4.5 million copies in the first week in Europe alone, that means it sold even more world wide. Not less.
I do agree that NA is a market it will significanlty miss out on. However Japan, Korea and in fact every other country in the world should be fine with it.
fifa2008.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/fifa-08-passes-1m-mark-in-first-week/
what difference does it make if the game is a standalone pack or not? Well a lot. It doesn't say anything about the popularity of the game, because people aren't given the choice. It's pointless to compare a game that comes for free with the console to a game that isn't. Wii play sold million of copies but everyone knows that's because it comes with an extra Wii remote.
Games like Halo and Warcraft gain those midnight launches BECAUSE they are such popular, good selling games. Fifa is not a bad selling game ofcourse, but it doesn't sell anywhere near the numbers of Warcraft and Halo.
I'm getting "rude" because I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion here. I have been looking up actual numbers and checking facts while you just completely make up your own numbers without doing any research whatsoever.
If you start a discussion then you have to keep in mind there is always someone willing to check your facts.
I'm just reading their share holder reports.
Fiscal year 2008
Second quarter, over 1 million copies sold.
Third quarter over 4.5 million copies sold.
Fourth quarter 4.5 million copies sold.
That's over 10 million sales.
(2 million more than either Halo or Halo 2.) More than Halo 3.
........all this with a target audience of only 2/3 of that vailable to Halo.
It's touch and go whether or not that is more than COD4 in my opinion, I'd have to find out COD 4's sales to date.
Sorry but I don't agree. Consoles sell on their flagship titles. You don't buy a Wii to look at it, you buy it to play a game.
Wipeout drove Playstation sales.
Wii Play, whatever that may be has been outselling all the shooter titles too. (Lets face it, so has Nintendogs).
I cannot concur with you that 20 million people bought a Wii but didn't want to play the games on it. They did have a choice. They could have chosen COD or Halo 3.
Neither is Wii Sports free. It's included in the price, just as any other packaged game is.
(As you rightly point out with PC gaming, price is a big factor, nonetheless it shipped with a sports game not an FPS).
I didn't think you had been getting rude at all GL, I thought I had. (And for the same reasons you cite).
The reason games like Halo and Warcraft launch at night is to drive publicity. It's the same reason movies have premieres. They need to make the news for free advertising. It's a publicity stunt.
It is in order to drive demand, not as a response to it.
I put it to you, that the reason Nintendo games sell the most, is primarily because they run on the cheapest hardware. I put it to you that this is the same reason that console games sell better than PC games.
That when push comes to shove, Skoda's outsell Ferrari's. They always will and you should expect them to.
That time of the month again?
Here's an annual one for the year 2007.
http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/88/881/88189/items/250822/2007AnnualReport.pdf
Intresting bits I've found so far, Sports games are the primary area of EA's business. (EA is the worlds largest games publisher). Madden and FiFa are it's two biggest selling IP's. (The Sims isn't doing bad either).
They made most revenues on PS2 (by a factor of almost 2), second was PC and third was Xbox 360.
Net revenues for Europe for 2007 were $1,261 million primarily driven by FiFa 07 and Need for Speed Carbon.
Net sales for the U.S. were $1,666 million primarily driven by Madden NFL 07, Need for Speed Carbon and NCAA Football.
Sports titles are where the money is at.
Here are the second quarter reports for 2008,
"-- FIFA 08 sold 2.9 million copies internationally - with sell through at retail up double digits year-over-year."
http://investor.ea.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=88189&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1071441&highlight=
It turns out that when they said "over a million", they meant 2.9 million.
The third Quarter
"FIFA 08 sold over 4.5 million copies in the quarter and is EA's
top-selling title year-to-date."
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/IROL/88/88189/EarningsRelease131.pdf
So thats 7.4 million sold by Christmas
Fourth quarter
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13844
"The publisher also said seven of its games sold over three million units: Madden NFL 07, Need for Speed Carbon, FIFA 07, The Sims 2 Pets, The Sims 2, Need for Speed Most Wanted and 2006 FIFA World Cup"
Which means sales of FIFA 08 < 3 million for this quarter.
"Popular titles for the year included Madden NFL 07, its singular top seller, and Need for Speed Carbon, which moved 8.5 million copies,"
Madden NFL 07 has sold more than Need for Speed Carbon (>8.5 million sales), and more than Fifa 08. this year.
Sports games sell better than shooters in the U.S. too.
I don't know why you think FIFA isn't a big title. I even own a couple of FIFA titles, and I hate football with a passion.
And I fundamentally disagree, people did have a choice. They could have bought an Xbox 360 if they didn't want to play Wii sports. Whether you like it or not, the best selling game of last year was a sports game.
Smart marketing is a factor in sales. Nintendo went with a sports game because that's where the market is. More people bought Wii with Wii Sports, than Xbox 360 with Halo 3. It was their choice.
Presumably if the XBOX 360 is cheaper than the Wii, they could have bought an XBOX 360 and COD. Or an XBOX 360 and Halo instead. Only they didn't.
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Wii Play has sold 9.5 million copies, your link is only for U.S. sales.
Some more figures I bumped into.
Crysis had sold over a million by Christmas. That's treble the amount of sales COD 4 had made on PC. Hardly suprising really, since it is a dedicated PC title and not a cheapily made console port.
In which top ten? Crysis is in every top ten I look at. It has been since launch.
COD4 is outselling Crysis in the XBox top ten.
Crysis has outsold COD4 on "only one platform".
In fact if we are now going by only one platform, is COD 4 even a top ten title anymore?
Surely part of it's success is that it has been able to span multiple platforms. Not as many as FIFA perhaps or Need for Speed Carbon or Madden NFL.
I don't think you can have it both ways.
FIFA is way bigger than Halo or COD, it has been around for decades.
There are 15 installments of the football game, and another 5 installments of the football manager. It is an internationally recognised and best selling brandname and the most widely recognised sporting associtation on the planet. You don't get brands bigger than FIFA. Many people in the world do not know what COD or Halo is. FIFA is a household name.
Sorry but the sales figures for Super Mario's don't add up.
Who cares if people did buy the Wii for Super Mario's. Lets take away one Wii sports for every Super Mario sold.
We are still left with 15 million Wii sports sales.
But lets not.
Wii Sports is the big seller.
FPS are not big sellers on Wii. People are not buying the Wii because they want to play COD 3. FPS is not driving those sales.
I notice that in your two examples of other games people might have bought the Wii for, that no FPS is mentioned. And you should too.
Why is it not a valid argument that people who bought Wii could have bought an XBox if they were more intrested in FPS games?
It is a completely valid argument. People who buy Wii's are not intrested in FPS. They are intrested in Sports and platform games. That's why they bought Wii. And that's why Wii Sports outsells Halo 2-1.
I fail to see absolutely that people who bought the Wii weren't intrested in playing Wii Sports and and only bought it to play FPS games. If they had wanted FPS, HALO was on the market already.
They didn't. Wii sports is the best selling video game of last year. People didn't buy it by mistake. It is the flagship title. The game that sold the console.
You say a lot of people bought the Wii but not for Wii Sports, and yet all the people I know bought it for Wii sports. I have never seen anyone play any other game on it ever.
Wii Sports is not free. It does not come with it for free. Nothing is free. It is included in the price. Nintendo didn't give Wii Sports away for free, they sold it for profit.
Xbox 360 did come packaged with Halo. We don't have to imagine Halo's sales if it was packaged with the XBOX 360, it was. ( And it didn't shift 20 million untis). Halo is a flagship title for the Xbox. Many of Halo's sales were made by packaging it with the X box. The title was not strong enough however to drive the complete launch. Wii Sports has been.
Playstation has traditionally gone with driving games for it's flagship titles.
They specifically mention FiFA's sales at 2.9 million for that quarter. Previously I had only included the comments in which they included FIFA as one of their many titles that had sold over 1 million in that quarter. Towards the end of that report they give it a specific mention due to it's record sales.
From your link
http://kotaku.com/346135/halo-3-beats-out-wii-play-for-best-selling-video-game-of-2007
"The top ten best selling games in the USA for last year are after the jump.
01. Halo 3 (Xbox 360) - 4,820,000
02. Wii Play with Remote (Wii) - 4,120,000"
HaLo and Halo 2 have had god knows how many christmas sales, they have been sold on at least 2 platforms, and Wii Play has outsold them both on only one. (The link you gave me was the U.S. sales only).
Warcraft has outsold COD 4 on only one Platform.
FPS's are not the top selling game format. They aren't the top selling console game format either.
They are however best selling and the XBOX 360 market is dominated by them.