I moved into 9 different school districts kindergarten through high school, i saw quite a bit, schools in inner cities and near goverment socialized housing were the worse low tax revenues and messed up curricular.
And obviously parents who had given up.
Good schools were small town schools where they had teachers who cared. Never forget my HighSchool History teacher Mr Whitry. Strict but fair,dude was a pretty awesome. the only class in high i learned something, that and shop class.
Comes down to parenting , They made me go until 18 1 month from graduation then i quit when i hit 18 I was 1 credit short from graduation and guess what class! a French class lol
And wanting to learn about the world and make something of yourself is what its about, i have read the bible through twice . Used to go to the library and grab 10 300-500 page books of a Historical subject and read them. Man there is so much relevant knowledge out there why wouldn't you want it. Make something of your self.
sorry rambling so in closing Stay in school kids Knowledge is power
I am so glad I have stumbled upon this post. How lucky I am that the great problem solvers of our time have gathered here to discuss the merits of taxation and education. I especially enjoy the elaborate paragraphs and citied sources. Oh, wait…. Well at least the posts are composed by experts in the field. Yeah…..
Does anyone in this post really believe they are writing something that is in anyway close to an expectable persuasive argument? It is great to have opinions. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. No one has the right, however, to be wrong about the facts. Moreover, without the facts to support your claims, although your opinion is valuable to you, it is completely worthless to everyone else. This post and posts like it serve no higher purpose than copious intellectual salvation. Please, for the love and respect of thoughtful well crafted arguments everywhere stop this nonsense.
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
Three simple steps to keep nearly all kids in school:
1. Allow them to download porn to the school computers.
2. Give them Pepsi and Twinkies at attendance.
3. Spice up the curriculum with classes on "American Idol trivia", "MySpace personalities", and "How to talk your parents into allowing tattoos, piercings, and plastic surgery".
Of course, there will still be a palty few that quit because they got pregnant, have a chaotic homelife, abuse drugs, need to work to help support their family, have an undiagnosed learning disability, ostracized for race/class/sexual orientation, etc. But I doubt it would be very many. I'm sure most drop-outs are just unmotivated slackers.
I am so glad I have stumbled upon this post. How lucky I am that the great problem solvers of our time have gathered here to discuss the merits of taxation and education. I especially enjoy the elaborate paragraphs and citied sources. Oh, wait…. Well at least the posts are composed by experts in the field. Yeah….. Does anyone in this post really believe they are writing something that is in anyway close to an expectable persuasive argument? It is great to have opinions. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. No one has the right, however, to be wrong about the facts. Moreover, without the facts to support your claims, although your opinion is valuable to you, it is completely worthless to everyone else. This post and posts like server no higher purpose than copious intellectual salvation. Please, for the love and respect of thoughtful well crafted arguments everywhere stop this nonsense.
Oh well, since you are putting up your own well supported arguments on the subject, I guess you you can speak authoritatively.
If you are not being responded to directly, you are probably on my ignore list.
Oh well, since you are putting up your own well supported arguments on the subject, I guess you you can speak authoritatively.
Firstly, it was not an argument it was satire. Secondly, it would make little to no sense to site a thread that I am posting in. All you really have to do is look at the information presented. There are people who spend their entire lives working on these issues and they have not reached any conclusion. Are we supposed to believe that the 3 to 10 sentence posts here are the answers to the serious problems this country has. It is very easy to over simplify a problem and very difficult to roll up your sleeves do your research then come up with a viable solution. Thirdly, I never claimed to be authoritative. That is my point, no one here is authoritative. No one here is providing any information that is based on any real facts. Lastly, if anyone here had actual knowledge about the subject their post would be based on facts have citations and take up many lines of text.
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
- Do not require school by law, let them drop out and learn themselves - Remove help aids like welfare and unemployment benefits - Rework school curriculum so it's more relevent to the real world. Ex. Personal finance should have higher precedence than Biochemistry.
oh yea, let those stupid parents just not bring their kids to school. That way they can be completely un educated and live with no other ideas other than what their parents taught them.
They wont learn by themselves. They will be 10x the problem they were in the school.
For a lot of these kids, even if it was only a little bit, they learn a lot in school compaired to the crap their parents feed them.
Removing aids like welfare and unemployment is rediculous. Sweden has a fraction of the social violence and drop out issues of the USA and their have WAAAY more social programs than the United States probably ever will. Telling people to resort to crime to live is a dumb way to solve violence issues.
They have done this, but at a certain point you must realize that we are a civilized nation. Its great that 40% of you are going to be digging with a shovel or working a hose for the rest of your life, but we also need to think of the smart kids who get screwed over when you waste their time with common sense classes like "personal finance" or "relivant sciences" such as growing vegetables or painting a plant pot.
You cant dumb down to cater to the lowest common denominator. We want to pick up the slack not dumb down the top end.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Oh well, since you are putting up your own well supported arguments on the subject, I guess you you can speak authoritatively.
Firstly, it was not an argument it was satire. Secondly, it would make little to no sense to site a thread that I am posting in. All you really have to do is look at the information presented. There are people who spend their entire lives working on these issues and they have not reached any conclusion. Are we supposed to believe that the 3 to 10 sentence posts here are the answers to the serious problems this country has. It is very easy to over simplify a problem and very difficult to roll up your sleeves do your research then come up with a viable solution. Thirdly, I never claimed to be authoritative. That is my point, no one here is authoritative. No one here is providing any information that is based on any real facts. Lastly, if anyone here had actual knowledge about the subject their post would be based on facts have citations and take up many lines of text.
Sorry for the double post, but I thought id just clarify something about the nature of the discussion on these boards.
Although most of the discussion is not of actualy factual significance. For the most part it partakes in the more philosophical aspect of the debate as well as (hopefully) opening up some peoples eyes to what the other side of the argument has to say.
I know ive used arguments put forth by some members of the community in my symbollic logic courses as examples of logical fallacies. A lot of it is garbage. But if somebody is posting it, somebody out their believes it. If you've atleast heard it before you're more prepared to deal with it. Which is better the next time somebody brings it up and rather than just staring at them blankly in shock and awe you can deal with their actual confusion. If I cant address one of somebodies arguments, I look it up. I personally dont always respond to everyones claims, but I atleast rebute them to myself, or learn that they are indeed logical opinions or ideas.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Netzoko the third post you said I think is really relevant, when I was in Jr. High I was being taught how to graph quadratic equations, now some may but I don't use those in everyday life. Meanwhile economics was an ELECTIVE in High School so you really didn't have to learn anything about money all you had to do to pass was draw a freakin' "U" on a graph. Our country needs a wake-up call and now we're at a bad time in the economy coming up with half our population not being educated, well, why don't we just invite China in?
I guess they left out grammar, too.
Highschool economics, at best, is how to fill out government forums, which have the instructions written on them.
Than and the law of supply and demand. If something is in short supply the demand increases and vice versa.
Congradulations, now you see why it would be an insulting waste of time if everyone had to sit through that joke of a class.
As for math, should you persue anything past that of a grocerie clerc, or general labor you will need to know things like that. They show up in carpentry, they show up in an electricians job a LOT.
Being introduced to real math, atleast in my opinion, is an importaint thing for kids to experience in highschool. Its an essensial skill for anybody who wants to persue high education, or even a little more education. You'll see it in finance or even 8 month accounting courses. Its importaint. Learning how to follow the step by step instructions on QuickTax, or how to add up your expenses to create a budget is trivial at best and should be an option only for those who hope to accomplish nothing more than a low paying retail job or basic labour on a construction site.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I think the kid in this gen or the next gen are more sloth and lack of responsibilities.
Can't help; it's not their false. We raise them in the peaceful condition. Too peaceful!!! So, they don't even know why life is not so easy. Worry about the kids more, gimm their life tougher
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I'll just take your word for it. Soon as I saw that post I felt the urge to respond.
If you are not being responded to directly, you are probably on my ignore list.
I moved into 9 different school districts kindergarten through high school, i saw quite a bit, schools in inner cities and near goverment socialized housing were the worse low tax revenues and messed up curricular.
And obviously parents who had given up.
Good schools were small town schools where they had teachers who cared. Never forget my HighSchool History teacher Mr Whitry. Strict but fair,dude was a pretty awesome. the only class in high i learned something, that and shop class.
Comes down to parenting , They made me go until 18 1 month from graduation then i quit when i hit 18 I was 1 credit short from graduation and guess what class! a French class lol
And wanting to learn about the world and make something of yourself is what its about, i have read the bible through twice . Used to go to the library and grab 10 300-500 page books of a Historical subject and read them. Man there is so much relevant knowledge out there why wouldn't you want it. Make something of your self.
sorry rambling so in closing Stay in school kids Knowledge is power
I am so glad I have stumbled upon this post. How lucky I am that the great problem solvers of our time have gathered here to discuss the merits of taxation and education. I especially enjoy the elaborate paragraphs and citied sources. Oh, wait…. Well at least the posts are composed by experts in the field. Yeah…..
Does anyone in this post really believe they are writing something that is in anyway close to an expectable persuasive argument? It is great to have opinions. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. No one has the right, however, to be wrong about the facts. Moreover, without the facts to support your claims, although your opinion is valuable to you, it is completely worthless to everyone else. This post and posts like it serve no higher purpose than copious intellectual salvation. Please, for the love and respect of thoughtful well crafted arguments everywhere stop this nonsense.
--John Ruskin
Three simple steps to keep nearly all kids in school:
1. Allow them to download porn to the school computers.
2. Give them Pepsi and Twinkies at attendance.
3. Spice up the curriculum with classes on "American Idol trivia", "MySpace personalities", and "How to talk your parents into allowing tattoos, piercings, and plastic surgery".
Of course, there will still be a palty few that quit because they got pregnant, have a chaotic homelife, abuse drugs, need to work to help support their family, have an undiagnosed learning disability, ostracized for race/class/sexual orientation, etc. But I doubt it would be very many. I'm sure most drop-outs are just unmotivated slackers.
Oh well, since you are putting up your own well supported arguments on the subject, I guess you you can speak authoritatively.
If you are not being responded to directly, you are probably on my ignore list.
There are an awful lot of employers and professions that would disagree with that
Firstly, it was not an argument it was satire. Secondly, it would make little to no sense to site a thread that I am posting in. All you really have to do is look at the information presented. There are people who spend their entire lives working on these issues and they have not reached any conclusion. Are we supposed to believe that the 3 to 10 sentence posts here are the answers to the serious problems this country has. It is very easy to over simplify a problem and very difficult to roll up your sleeves do your research then come up with a viable solution. Thirdly, I never claimed to be authoritative. That is my point, no one here is authoritative. No one here is providing any information that is based on any real facts. Lastly, if anyone here had actual knowledge about the subject their post would be based on facts have citations and take up many lines of text.
--John Ruskin
They wont learn by themselves. They will be 10x the problem they were in the school.
For a lot of these kids, even if it was only a little bit, they learn a lot in school compaired to the crap their parents feed them.
Removing aids like welfare and unemployment is rediculous. Sweden has a fraction of the social violence and drop out issues of the USA and their have WAAAY more social programs than the United States probably ever will. Telling people to resort to crime to live is a dumb way to solve violence issues.
They have done this, but at a certain point you must realize that we are a civilized nation. Its great that 40% of you are going to be digging with a shovel or working a hose for the rest of your life, but we also need to think of the smart kids who get screwed over when you waste their time with common sense classes like "personal finance" or "relivant sciences" such as growing vegetables or painting a plant pot.
You cant dumb down to cater to the lowest common denominator. We want to pick up the slack not dumb down the top end.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Firstly, it was not an argument it was satire. Secondly, it would make little to no sense to site a thread that I am posting in. All you really have to do is look at the information presented. There are people who spend their entire lives working on these issues and they have not reached any conclusion. Are we supposed to believe that the 3 to 10 sentence posts here are the answers to the serious problems this country has. It is very easy to over simplify a problem and very difficult to roll up your sleeves do your research then come up with a viable solution. Thirdly, I never claimed to be authoritative. That is my point, no one here is authoritative. No one here is providing any information that is based on any real facts. Lastly, if anyone here had actual knowledge about the subject their post would be based on facts have citations and take up many lines of text.
Sorry for the double post, but I thought id just clarify something about the nature of the discussion on these boards.Although most of the discussion is not of actualy factual significance. For the most part it partakes in the more philosophical aspect of the debate as well as (hopefully) opening up some peoples eyes to what the other side of the argument has to say.
I know ive used arguments put forth by some members of the community in my symbollic logic courses as examples of logical fallacies. A lot of it is garbage. But if somebody is posting it, somebody out their believes it. If you've atleast heard it before you're more prepared to deal with it. Which is better the next time somebody brings it up and rather than just staring at them blankly in shock and awe you can deal with their actual confusion. If I cant address one of somebodies arguments, I look it up. I personally dont always respond to everyones claims, but I atleast rebute them to myself, or learn that they are indeed logical opinions or ideas.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I guess they left out grammar, too.
Highschool economics, at best, is how to fill out government forums, which have the instructions written on them.Than and the law of supply and demand. If something is in short supply the demand increases and vice versa.
Congradulations, now you see why it would be an insulting waste of time if everyone had to sit through that joke of a class.
As for math, should you persue anything past that of a grocerie clerc, or general labor you will need to know things like that. They show up in carpentry, they show up in an electricians job a LOT.
Being introduced to real math, atleast in my opinion, is an importaint thing for kids to experience in highschool. Its an essensial skill for anybody who wants to persue high education, or even a little more education. You'll see it in finance or even 8 month accounting courses. Its importaint. Learning how to follow the step by step instructions on QuickTax, or how to add up your expenses to create a budget is trivial at best and should be an option only for those who hope to accomplish nothing more than a low paying retail job or basic labour on a construction site.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I think the kid in this gen or the next gen are more sloth and lack of responsibilities.
Can't help; it's not their false. We raise them in the peaceful condition. Too peaceful!!! So, they don't even know why life is not so easy. Worry about the kids more, gimm their life tougher