I really thought WoW would be the most dumbed down mmorpg i ever played but somehow Funcom has beaten them with AOC. This is just about the easiest mmorpg ever made. I sure hope we move back towards old school mmorpg at some point and not handing you everything without any challenge.
Personaly i think WoW ruined what MMO's are today. That is my opinion.
Why?
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Because it set somewhat of a "standard" For some reason people think that a game must be like WoW now in order for it to be acceptable. And if not that just about any game realeased today is apparently a "WoW clone" due to the fact it was released after WoW. Plus WoW being as popular as it is and that being a Majority of peoples first MMO ever, it's almost like the MMO community is being polluted with uneducated RPG players.
yes WOW, and EQ2 where the ones to start the sillyness we have now.
This game was admittedly designed for gaming consoles and is therefore a watered down version of a true MMORPG. AOC lead developer: "we designed AoC to be a console game from the beginning" "AoC's combat system has gone through nine iterations throughout Funcom's quest to make it appealing to console users." link It's worth as an "MMO" should not even be seriously debated considering this very clear truth. Further, this game in my opinion has the potential to damage the overall genera, bringing the core of what an MMO is to new lows. Please don't misunderstand me; I'm not trying to attack anyone personally. I'm trying to point out that the sole reason this corporation (Funcom) made this game is to try and tap into a bigger market. In other words they are exploiting our genera for financial gains and we as MMO gamers should consider the damage it has the potential to cause to it. Again, I'm not attacking anyone personally but consider the damage World of Warcraft has caused. It was such a hit ($$$) that every other, more complex MMO tried to emulate it. In effect, dumbing down the genera. I like to compare World of Warcraft to pop music because pop music is very shallow and easy to understand and (admittedly) fun to listen to, and it out sells all other styles of music (by a large margin). Pop music has damaged other styles of music, like country music (which today is candyass pop-fluff w/ no soul), ditto pop punk rock and nu metal. It is in this way that these watered down MMO's are going to damage our genera. You can say that it does not matter, that it's just another duck on the pond - but I respectfully disagree. In fact, I've lost much hope for the genera. These corporations ruin everything. Music is milked ruthlessly and turned into shallow trends, punk fashion is sold in mass chain stores like Hot Topic, it never ends. They destroy the essence of whatever it is they are trying to exploit-for-profit. MMORPG's are no exception. I'm out.
Well I think you are worried about the inevitable. Times change and always will. I played Star Wars Galaxies from launch until the NGE. I loved the game,but then came WoW and I loved it as well (its not a perfect game but it is a good game). The entire game industry is about making money,and so is the movie and music industry. I do not blame Funcom for trying to tap into the console market its a very lucritive market indeed. The console market also makes it easier for game companies to develop their games for.I am not worried in the least by this because I see the benefits it could bring to the table. Better games with less bugs,and as they develop more for this generation the better they will get. I do not care to play AOC it does not appeal to me at all. The entire instancing thing turns me off at the git go,But I am not goin to bash the game or its players because I do not like it. The only way I will ever play a console again is if they do get some good mmos out on them,until then I will stay with PC.
Personaly i think WoW ruined what MMO's are today. That is my opinion.
Why?
.
Because it set somewhat of a "standard" For some reason people think that a game must be like WoW now in order for it to be acceptable. And if not that just about any game realeased today is apparently a "WoW clone" due to the fact it was released after WoW. Plus WoW being as popular as it is and that being a Majority of peoples first MMO ever, it's almost like the MMO community is being polluted with uneducated RPG players.
Well, I agree with some of your points, but this is not a WoW issue
This is a MMORPG community issue, people dont like games anymore, and we can see it here.
After WoW we had DDO, Vanguard, AoC, Guild Wars etc ... All of them arent similar to WoW, well, you can see some common points, but it is just because they are all MMORPGs.
There are a lot more Lineage 2 clones than WoW.
But it is always funny when people think Everquest and UO were perfect and everything now is a wow clone and a silly game, and I dont understand why these people dont play Everquest or UO anymore... because the only good EQ and UO are the original ones? I think most of these players are lost in memories.
The only thing we can blame WoW is for letting everyone experience what is a MMO, not because it is better or easier, but because it is popular..
I dont play UO and EQ anymore because I made the mistake of stopping play. I was hoping to find something even better which utilized better graphics, engines etc. I cant imagine going back to UO now and starting over.
Regardless, I am not the ones who are critical of the developers for creating games that sell in today's market. I will simply sit back and wait until I find something that suits me.
I think this is hilarious. I am watching the History channel, which is talking about Nazism in the United States through out the past century and then I read this hate related thread. The OP hates AoC because it is different and is "watering" down the pure genre or "race."
I think this is hilarious. I am watching the History channel, which is talking about Nazism in the United States through out the past century and then I read this hate related thread. The OP hates AoC because it is different and is "watering" down the pure genre or "race."
Godwin in play. Thread over.
LOL, 'genera' .. genre. This game is raising the bar. The zone copies do kinda suck but honestly, atleast they have player collision to kinda make up for the difference lol, i'd rather see 5 people pushing against eachother than 20 pepole standing inside of eachother.. .. tho 20 people does give the effect of community
lol some people are just funny, but as for the rest of you... you can find me in AoC.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies." Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
This game was admittedly designed for gaming consoles and is therefore a watered down version of a true MMORPG. AOC lead developer: "we designed AoC to be a console game from the beginning" "AoC's combat system has gone through nine iterations throughout Funcom's quest to make it appealing to console users." link It's worth as an "MMO" should not even be seriously debated considering this very clear truth. Further, this game in my opinion has the potential to damage the overall genera, bringing the core of what an MMO is to new lows. Please don't misunderstand me; I'm not trying to attack anyone personally. I'm trying to point out that the sole reason this corporation (Funcom) made this game is to try and tap into a bigger market. In other words they are exploiting our genera for financial gains and we as MMO gamers should consider the damage it has the potential to cause to it. Again, I'm not attacking anyone personally but consider the damage World of Warcraft has caused. It was such a hit ($$$) that every other, more complex MMO tried to emulate it. In effect, dumbing down the genera. I like to compare World of Warcraft to pop music because pop music is very shallow and easy to understand and (admittedly) fun to listen to, and it out sells all other styles of music (by a large margin). Pop music has damaged other styles of music, like country music (which today is candyass pop-fluff w/ no soul), ditto pop punk rock and nu metal. It is in this way that these watered down MMO's are going to damage our genera. You can say that it does not matter, that it's just another duck on the pond - but I respectfully disagree. In fact, I've lost much hope for the genera. These corporations ruin everything. Music is milked ruthlessly and turned into shallow trends, punk fashion is sold in mass chain stores like Hot Topic, it never ends. They destroy the essence of whatever it is they are trying to exploit-for-profit. MMORPG's are no exception. I'm out.
And this is coming from someone who likes SWG and Vangard...shows what your taste is. I bet your favorite resturant is McDonalds, and you drive a VW, use a Mac and like dance music to right?
Well, I agree with some of your points, but this is not a WoW issue This is a MMORPG community issue, people dont like games anymore, and we can see it here. After WoW we had DDO, Vanguard, AoC, Guild Wars etc ... All of them arent similar to WoW, well, you can see some common points, but it is just because they are all MMORPGs. There are a lot more Lineage 2 clones than WoW. But it is always funny when people think Everquest and UO were perfect and everything now is a wow clone and a silly game, and I dont understand why these people dont play Everquest or UO anymore... because the only good EQ and UO are the original ones? I think most of these players are lost in memories. The only thing we can blame WoW is for letting everyone experience what is a MMO, not because it is better or easier, but because it is popular..
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In your opinion.
It's precisely WoW's popularity that is damaging to the MMO genre, if you can't see that then please just go back to sleep. EQ/UO were great games, but far from perfect..the problem is no developer has really taken the best of these games and attempted to improve upon the original formulae. Maybe a better analogy than the OP's would be like fast food restaurants, and that's exactly what most MMO's today are like and hence why most people who move on from these games retain very few memories of them after a while.
LOL, 'genera' .. genre. This game is raising the bar. The zone copies do kinda suck but honestly, atleast they have player collision to kinda make up for the difference lol, i'd rather see 5 people pushing against eachother than 20 pepole standing inside of eachother.. .. tho 20 people does give the effect of community
lol some people are just funny, but as for the rest of you... you can find me in AoC.
You're kidding right? How exactly is AoC 'raising the bar'? Lowering it more like..
... I went to Military school not public school. Zing!
Egads! What military school put out such economic, free market, business illiteracy?
I would be on the phone with their alumni association this very day if I was affiliated with a school that could graduate someone that is so ill-informed about how products are designed, created and brought to market.
"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
Open your eyes people, even if you don't like the zoning and such in AoC the fighting is going in the right direction. You can actually block, hit more than one mob without an AOE spell, you can actually run away from mobs without them being 20 feet away from you and hitting you. You have a decent combo system. It may not be perfect but if MMO's kept going the way they were we'd have keep having auto-combat and having arrows follow us around corners. The games that follow AoC in the next few years will show if AoC is a breakout game. The next round of games should be some of the same ol same ol, but their are some that show hope...games like Mabinogi:heroes, APB, Crime Craft, Huxley, Stargate Worlds, Earthrise and Aion if done well will show that MMO's can evolve from the dullness we have today. AoC may not be perfect by any means and they may have made it for Consoles and PC's, but its different. I hear so many people crying that MMO's are the same and one comes out thats different and you only see its faults. Do we want a life of games like Lineage, WoW and EQ, or do we want something different. Consider AoC a baby step if that'll help. I play it and its not half bad, sure I would like to see zoning taken out, but oh well. Yes they made the fighting more like a console but how should have they made it? You haters love to bash but you don't give any good suggestions on how they should have made the fighting system. With a mouse and keyboard fighting is limited. Either you have fighting thats like a FPS , but how would you do melee, we have fighting like they did more like a console or we have the same crap we have had in mmo's. How do you rocket scientists think combat should evolve in a game.
AOC is not a MMO. It is a fancy ACTION RPG , with online mode.....
BEST definition ever.
I do suggest they remove this game from this site game list. And i´m serious....lol
Actually it is an MMORPG. The MMO part comes from the official forums which are a blast to read through, and the RPG part comes from the game itself. /sarcasmoff
Cmon this is game is definately an MMORPG. Just because you dont like the zoning and instancing does not change that fact. You can still interact with all the people in the game through chat and meeting up with them. The only limitation is you cant meet up with everyone on the server, and I have yet to play a game where that is even possible without crashing the server.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Simply being 30 years old is hardly substantial evidence that you either are or are not doing what he claimed. I think you are trying to impress upon us that you are too old for that kind of thing when, besides my opinion that nobody is too old to do that, that is not particularly old at all. You are still quite young.
The game was an unlicensed implementation of the new role playing gameDungeons & Dragons, and described the movements of a multi-player party through a monster-inhabited dungeon. Players chose what actions to take in combat and where to move each character in the party, which made the game very slow to play by today's standards.
AOC is not a MMO. It is a fancy ACTION RPG , with online mode.....
BEST definition ever.
I do suggest they remove this game from this site game list. And i´m serious....lol
Actually it is an MMORPG. The MMO part comes from the official forums which are a blast to read through, and the RPG part comes from the game itself. /sarcasmoff
Cmon this is game is definately an MMORPG. Just because you dont like the zoning and instancing does not change that fact. You can still interact with all the people in the game through chat and meeting up with them. The only limitation is you cant meet up with everyone on the server, and I have yet to play a game where that is even possible without crashing the server.
Cheers!
Kinda like how Hellgate: London should also be removed! Since they allow this crap that is not an MMO at all here, then AoC gets a spot as well.......blah
Aoc is superb , play this game , there is no games like this , they made some game , where the whole mechanics is perfect, don't waste time and go have a fun time all.
Originally posted by slippyC To be anti-pop culture, just to be different is really stupid. If this is indeed what you are doing, wake up and reanalyze what is going on. You are being just as much a sheep as the people who follow mainstream but not using your head to figure out what you enjoy in life and going with it.
I'm 30 years old, I'm not trying to be anything.
And I'm so sorry I don't accept the mass dumbing down of humans via TV, movies, video games, books, magazines, etc. A 'sheep' would be someone who is unaware of this reality.
But that is out of the scope of this topic.
A sheep is a follower. Just because you could be anti-anything doesn't mean you aren't being a sheep. You could have been one of those types who had friends, like myself, that were anti's and most still are.
You still did not answer the question what is dumbing it down. Your argument has been nothing but weak from the begining.
And what I said is hardly far from the scope of this topic. You are the one who compared WoW to pop music and that culture.
To me, you sound like a person who are stuck to his childly anti-ideals. I don't know what influenced this, friends, surroundings, whatever. I just think you are very wrong in your thinking and seriously need to re-think some things
And to finish it up. I do not disagree with what you are saying about a lot of movies, music, books, and the likes. My point is I think that you are stereotyping anything that falls within this catergory to be the same, when in reality popular doesn't always mean a bad thing.
I may not be much older than you, but this is what I have come to figure out at 34.
***Edited Part***
I did not assume you were any age. As someone else said earlier in this thread, age does not matter when it comes to this(and if you think about this, I think being an artist you will know this as well). And one other thing. Because you are an artist does not protect you from those things that are talked about here. In some ways, it could even taint you more. One of the main things with any true artist is going against the grain. Personally I think you have just got to caught up in that. It doesn't make you a bad guy in any way, but you could be semi-lost. COULD BE.... I meant no personal attack from this. More was hoping you could maybe see where your thinking might be wrong.
Umbral, +1 to everything you said, especially the part about what he thinks is "real" music.
Country music and metal are dumbed down versions of real music no matter what kind it is - nu metal to death metal or Tim Mcgraw to Johnny Cash. You aren't cultured at all for liking video games, you're just a jaded star wars fan (who is probably fat, most likely (sorry, it's the truth)).
I'm gonna listen to some real music - like Beethoven, Brahms, or Bach, and do something worthwhile...like read a BOOK or practice cello. The "masses" may be getting dumber, you included, but that doesn't matter to anyone who actually cares about culture.
Yes, you are right.
Games are games as pop music is pop music, it doesnt matter if it is a bit less popular.
An unpopular game doesnt make it more deeper than a game can be.
It is sad when you think most of people that judge the masses ( as the OP ) are just a bit less popular part of the masses...
...
Only a once anti could come to this. This is pretty much the same conclusion I came to. If you are an anti, you are also a pop culture within itself that shuns others, just because mainly that is what you do.
I really liked that part in another post you made about how elitest think they are superior to others. I use to do exactly this and frowned upon people, thinking my way of thinking was right.
To tell you the truth, I have no idea how I woke up and started smelling the bs I was shoveling. Anyway, it was one of my demons and hope I'm a better person for it now.
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I really thought WoW would be the most dumbed down mmorpg i ever played but somehow Funcom has beaten them with AOC. This is just about the easiest mmorpg ever made. I sure hope we move back towards old school mmorpg at some point and not handing you everything without any challenge.
Why?
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Because it set somewhat of a "standard" For some reason people think that a game must be like WoW now in order for it to be acceptable. And if not that just about any game realeased today is apparently a "WoW clone" due to the fact it was released after WoW. Plus WoW being as popular as it is and that being a Majority of peoples first MMO ever, it's almost like the MMO community is being polluted with uneducated RPG players.
yes WOW, and EQ2 where the ones to start the sillyness we have now.
Well I think you are worried about the inevitable. Times change and always will. I played Star Wars Galaxies from launch until the NGE. I loved the game,but then came WoW and I loved it as well (its not a perfect game but it is a good game). The entire game industry is about making money,and so is the movie and music industry. I do not blame Funcom for trying to tap into the console market its a very lucritive market indeed. The console market also makes it easier for game companies to develop their games for.I am not worried in the least by this because I see the benefits it could bring to the table. Better games with less bugs,and as they develop more for this generation the better they will get. I do not care to play AOC it does not appeal to me at all. The entire instancing thing turns me off at the git go,But I am not goin to bash the game or its players because I do not like it. The only way I will ever play a console again is if they do get some good mmos out on them,until then I will stay with PC.
Why?
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Because it set somewhat of a "standard" For some reason people think that a game must be like WoW now in order for it to be acceptable. And if not that just about any game realeased today is apparently a "WoW clone" due to the fact it was released after WoW. Plus WoW being as popular as it is and that being a Majority of peoples first MMO ever, it's almost like the MMO community is being polluted with uneducated RPG players.
Well, I agree with some of your points, but this is not a WoW issue
This is a MMORPG community issue, people dont like games anymore, and we can see it here.
After WoW we had DDO, Vanguard, AoC, Guild Wars etc ... All of them arent similar to WoW, well, you can see some common points, but it is just because they are all MMORPGs.
There are a lot more Lineage 2 clones than WoW.
But it is always funny when people think Everquest and UO were perfect and everything now is a wow clone and a silly game, and I dont understand why these people dont play Everquest or UO anymore... because the only good EQ and UO are the original ones? I think most of these players are lost in memories.
The only thing we can blame WoW is for letting everyone experience what is a MMO, not because it is better or easier, but because it is popular..
...
I dont play UO and EQ anymore because I made the mistake of stopping play. I was hoping to find something even better which utilized better graphics, engines etc. I cant imagine going back to UO now and starting over.
Regardless, I am not the ones who are critical of the developers for creating games that sell in today's market. I will simply sit back and wait until I find something that suits me.
Indeed..the day of Hyrule Online is upon us...or Mushroom Kingdom!?
Godwin in play. Thread over.
Previous played: SWG (pre-NGE), DAoC, CoH, Anarchy Online, DDO, Champions Online Beta, LOTRO, GW2, SWTOR
Godwin in play. Thread over.
LOL, 'genera' .. genre. This game is raising the bar. The zone copies do kinda suck but honestly, atleast they have player collision to kinda make up for the difference lol, i'd rather see 5 people pushing against eachother than 20 pepole standing inside of eachother.. .. tho 20 people does give the effect of communitylol some people are just funny, but as for the rest of you...
you can find me in AoC.
"Sometimes, things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. People are basically good. Honor, courage, virtue mean everything. Power and money, money and power mean nothing. Good always triumphs over evil. Love, True Love Never Dies."
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
/loooooooong sigh
And this is coming from someone who likes SWG and Vangard...shows what your taste is. I bet your favorite resturant is McDonalds, and you drive a VW, use a Mac and like dance music to right?
In your opinion.
It's precisely WoW's popularity that is damaging to the MMO genre, if you can't see that then please just go back to sleep. EQ/UO were great games, but far from perfect..the problem is no developer has really taken the best of these games and attempted to improve upon the original formulae. Maybe a better analogy than the OP's would be like fast food restaurants, and that's exactly what most MMO's today are like and hence why most people who move on from these games retain very few memories of them after a while.
You're kidding right? How exactly is AoC 'raising the bar'? Lowering it more like..
I'm sorry but nobody who defends the NGE in Galaxies should be calling out another developer or game for "destroying the MMO genre".
I would be on the phone with their alumni association this very day if I was affiliated with a school that could graduate someone that is so ill-informed about how products are designed, created and brought to market.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
Shame.
"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
BEST definition ever.
I do suggest they remove this game from this site game list. And i´m serious....lol
Open your eyes people, even if you don't like the zoning and such in AoC the fighting is going in the right direction. You can actually block, hit more than one mob without an AOE spell, you can actually run away from mobs without them being 20 feet away from you and hitting you. You have a decent combo system. It may not be perfect but if MMO's kept going the way they were we'd have keep having auto-combat and having arrows follow us around corners. The games that follow AoC in the next few years will show if AoC is a breakout game. The next round of games should be some of the same ol same ol, but their are some that show hope...games like Mabinogi:heroes, APB, Crime Craft, Huxley, Stargate Worlds, Earthrise and Aion if done well will show that MMO's can evolve from the dullness we have today. AoC may not be perfect by any means and they may have made it for Consoles and PC's, but its different. I hear so many people crying that MMO's are the same and one comes out thats different and you only see its faults. Do we want a life of games like Lineage, WoW and EQ, or do we want something different. Consider AoC a baby step if that'll help. I play it and its not half bad, sure I would like to see zoning taken out, but oh well. Yes they made the fighting more like a console but how should have they made it? You haters love to bash but you don't give any good suggestions on how they should have made the fighting system. With a mouse and keyboard fighting is limited. Either you have fighting thats like a FPS , but how would you do melee, we have fighting like they did more like a console or we have the same crap we have had in mmo's. How do you rocket scientists think combat should evolve in a game.
I dont think the issue of AoC is the combat. Are you really playing this game, did you get out of Tortage lol?
BEST definition ever.
I do suggest they remove this game from this site game list. And i´m serious....lol
Actually it is an MMORPG. The MMO part comes from the official forums which are a blast to read through, and the RPG part comes from the game itself. /sarcasmoffCmon this is game is definately an MMORPG. Just because you dont like the zoning and instancing does not change that fact. You can still interact with all the people in the game through chat and meeting up with them. The only limitation is you cant meet up with everyone on the server, and I have yet to play a game where that is even possible without crashing the server.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Simply being 30 years old is hardly substantial evidence that you either are or are not doing what he claimed. I think you are trying to impress upon us that you are too old for that kind of thing when, besides my opinion that nobody is too old to do that, that is not particularly old at all. You are still quite young.
at 30 old babies , rember first mmo called Dungeon was written in 1975 or 1976 by Don Daglow, then a student at Claremont Graduate University. .Just saying.
The game was an unlicensed implementation of the new role playing game Dungeons & Dragons, and described the movements of a multi-player party through a monster-inhabited dungeon. Players chose what actions to take in combat and where to move each character in the party, which made the game very slow to play by today's standards.
BEST definition ever.
I do suggest they remove this game from this site game list. And i´m serious....lol
Actually it is an MMORPG. The MMO part comes from the official forums which are a blast to read through, and the RPG part comes from the game itself. /sarcasmoffCmon this is game is definately an MMORPG. Just because you dont like the zoning and instancing does not change that fact. You can still interact with all the people in the game through chat and meeting up with them. The only limitation is you cant meet up with everyone on the server, and I have yet to play a game where that is even possible without crashing the server.
Cheers!
Kinda like how Hellgate: London should also be removed! Since they allow this crap that is not an MMO at all here, then AoC gets a spot as well.......blah
mmo like games,hzave been out long time . Meridian 59 is an online computer role-playing game First launched online in an early form on December 15, 1995 and released commercially in September 1996 with a flat-rate monthly subscription at 10.95
still has servers running..
see ppl play first commercial mmo. they still like it.
I'm 30 years old, I'm not trying to be anything.And I'm so sorry I don't accept the mass dumbing down of humans via TV, movies, video games, books, magazines, etc. A 'sheep' would be someone who is unaware of this reality.
But that is out of the scope of this topic.
A sheep is a follower. Just because you could be anti-anything doesn't mean you aren't being a sheep. You could have been one of those types who had friends, like myself, that were anti's and most still are.
You still did not answer the question what is dumbing it down. Your argument has been nothing but weak from the begining.
And what I said is hardly far from the scope of this topic. You are the one who compared WoW to pop music and that culture.
To me, you sound like a person who are stuck to his childly anti-ideals. I don't know what influenced this, friends, surroundings, whatever. I just think you are very wrong in your thinking and seriously need to re-think some things
And to finish it up. I do not disagree with what you are saying about a lot of movies, music, books, and the likes. My point is I think that you are stereotyping anything that falls within this catergory to be the same, when in reality popular doesn't always mean a bad thing.
I may not be much older than you, but this is what I have come to figure out at 34.
***Edited Part***
I did not assume you were any age. As someone else said earlier in this thread, age does not matter when it comes to this(and if you think about this, I think being an artist you will know this as well). And one other thing. Because you are an artist does not protect you from those things that are talked about here. In some ways, it could even taint you more. One of the main things with any true artist is going against the grain. Personally I think you have just got to caught up in that. It doesn't make you a bad guy in any way, but you could be semi-lost. COULD BE.... I meant no personal attack from this. More was hoping you could maybe see where your thinking might be wrong.
Anyway bro, have a good one......
Yes, you are right.
Games are games as pop music is pop music, it doesnt matter if it is a bit less popular.
An unpopular game doesnt make it more deeper than a game can be.
It is sad when you think most of people that judge the masses ( as the OP ) are just a bit less popular part of the masses...
...
Only a once anti could come to this. This is pretty much the same conclusion I came to. If you are an anti, you are also a pop culture within itself that shuns others, just because mainly that is what you do.
I really liked that part in another post you made about how elitest think they are superior to others. I use to do exactly this and frowned upon people, thinking my way of thinking was right.
To tell you the truth, I have no idea how I woke up and started smelling the bs I was shoveling. Anyway, it was one of my demons and hope I'm a better person for it now.
gen·e·ra : (ge·nus, ge·nus·es.)
a kind; sort; class.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.