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How hard is it for new players?
SeanSPS
Member Posts: 37
in EVE Online
I was thinking of joining EVE again.
I played for a few months, and left EVE. Then I played Age of Conan, but I'm tired of fantasy--something about EVE makes me want to play it more.
I've heard that it is near impossible for new players to gain a place in EVE...
...and I've heard that new players can in fact join EVE and have fun with it.
What's the truth? I'm looking to try an engineer character, perhaps. Is that going to be too difficult? What about if I continue with my (three month old) militia character?
Thanks!
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People think that all the Eve veterans are overpowered, because they have loads of skill points, but that's not true. If you want to achieve something in pvp you don't need crapload of skills. You need certain skills for your 1 main pvp ship and skills for fitting in the right items. You see, all the vets have rounded characters and they are meant to do everything in the game, but if you will create only 1 character for pvp with certain ship and equipment you will able to beat them. If you still can't achieve anything by yourself, you can find a corporation or some friends to play with and go pvp. I would stick with your militia character and it actually doesn't matter what character you pick, because you can train all of the skills you need to be anything in the game.
Ah, thanks for the response.
If I were to start a character as an engineer, though, would he start with a bunch of useful skills to get me in the right direction?
you can be competitive. you can't be (based upon ingame skills) the uber pvper against a pvp spec'd vet. now, your personal skills may be better, or you may always be part of 1 a blob or 2 many vs one; but, one vs one -- no, you will never catch-up/surpass another player spec'ing in pvp -- skillwise.
thermodynamics and it's prereqs and the nanite/fix'em skills/prereqs. level 5s in all pvp-related skills. the ability to fly specialty ships (recon, interceptor, etc). deeper pockets and/or connections so that ship losses aren't that bad.
you can be competitive; but there's a lot of support skills to max out (no matter the ship you're flying, especially so for the big minnie ships) before you've got skills 'equal to' a pvp vet.
electronics, engineering, drones/guns/missiles, shields/armor, even maxing out the level for the ship type you're flying. keep in mind, you may also be flying the same sized ship as someone else (frigate for example); but, are they flying some sort of specialty version which added weeks to the training time to max out skills for said ship?
so yes, especially in a mob, you can be competitive; BUT, moreso than many other games, you can be competitive vs players that have (literal) years of experience over you... this in itself is crazy...
but, honestly, you're not going to get better skills (ingame) than the vet who is specializing as you are specializing. all those 5% bonuses (their level 5s vs your level 4s) can, and will, add up.
for the op -- when you create a character, it now shows you which skills and the levels with which they start.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
EVE takes a little work to get a new player into, but all that is really required is thick skin and reading comprehension.
Join EVE University or Agony Unleashed's courses, look for guides on the net, read read read. Information is ammunition, and well-informed noob is always better then a half-informed vet. I'm a three-year noob, and I'm still learning new stuff every day, it never ends (when I get near to understanding the system, out comes an expansion and changes it).
It's not a linear game like WoW or AoC or just about any AAA+ release nowadays, but a free sandbox-style game: think Second Life, but in space, with guns, and less flying penises around... Except for the Amarr, of course. Welcome to EVE!
well eve is not impossible it all depends how much time you put into your character dont listen to other people. you can be there to if you work hard and train skills hard and have time be your friend for the next few or couple years ^_^
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I wouldn't worry about the SPs difference. Sometimes you will catch a vet mining, ratting, or hauling. 20 million skillpoints won't help them very much when caught by surprise.
Sure 1 vs 1 might be nasty. I wouldn't know. I roll in roaming gangs which is what moat of EVE players do. I never ever saw a 1vs1 fight in this MMO in all my months. Granted, I've always lived in 0.0. It might be my luck. I do the Alliance PVP and thats the only pvp I've ever known. I might be smarter then most. I always use my Intel channels and I assist with Recon when the systems are red.
So my experience might be limited in this regard but this is best advice I think one could give you
1) search recruitment channels
2) simply study what skills they require candidates to have
3) Train those skills.
I personally found Frigate V to be my gateway. After that you can get into covops, interceptor, stealth bomber, recon, etc.
But other corps might want Battleship pilots.
Anyway I wouldnt worry about 1 vs 1 against vets. My main role was Recon pilot which is a role you can fulfill and not worry about having super high SPs. So hopefully you can find a role you enjoy. I am biased- but I think Recon is one of most improtant roles you can fulfill. Giving Intel is very important and it is fun being cloaked floating right by the enemy without them knowing it. And after a fight you can uncloak and get your salvage/looting on. It's a nice safe start. Jumping through gates is pretty secure with the ability to warp cloaked
Engineering--- Do you mean manufacturing? Yeah you can get into that pretty much straight off by training into Production Efficiency to reduce waste. But even without you can get started like I did
Ok, EvE is the best balanced game and most lauded over by the dev's to keep balance there
there have been infractions in the past, like BoB having devs helping them,but a few months back, that all came crashing down
but the players have to learn the balance rather than it being handed to them by the game like WoW or even newer games like WAR and AOC
Quoted for truth!
Thats all you need.
New chars now start with close to 1 million skill points. It is MUCH better than it used to be for new starting characters. With that said, I just started back a few months ago. I have tried eve about 4 times now and now I am finally starting to "get it". There is so much to learn and so many things to do in the game and if you have a focus on what you want to do, it will help a lot.
A few things to keep in mind. This is said all the time and they REALLY mean it.
1. Only fly what you can afford. There is nothing worse then getting that new ship and getting it blown up.
2. Dont fly your new ship till you have the skills to fit it properly. Trust me on this one, this is why I quit eve the first time. I had bought a brand new battleship, sunk all my money into it and did not have all the skills required to fit it and to really even know what I was doing. I was in .4 space running level 3 missions and on my return I had a guy blow up my ship after he scanned it. his response was that he had to blow me up because my fittings sucked. Now the bad thing about it was, I was flat broke and that was it for me, I gave up and quit that time.
3. look for a good corp right away. If your starting a new character, I suggest joining Eve University. They will teach you a lot. Unless they are being war dec'd then you wont get in till that is over.(and they are almost always war dec'd).
4. Get some programs to help you out. EveMon is a great planning tool and EFT is a great fitting tool to let you see what the stats on your ship will be when you get it and put stuff on it.
5. Last but not least, stay away from low sec space (.4 and below) until you are ready. There are gate camps all over the place and they would love nothing more than to kill you every chance they get.
Also, there is now the new Faction stuff going on. It is a lot of fun. Join a militia for your side and get in there and pvp a little. you might enjoy it.
Planning in the key to eve. Knowing what you want to do will help you focus on the skills needed.
You will find very friendly and very helpful people there. The jerks are there to so be prepared.
I heard it`s easier for new players to learn EVE .... If they wear a replica star trek outfits and also while he or she wears one tennis shoe and one work boot at the same time...
It is hard for new players in EVE like it is hard for new players in most games, however in EVE unlike a lot of other games everything is based around skills and as a new player you will NEVER catch up to someone that has been playing for any amount of time longer than you have unless they stop playing/trainning skills and wait for you to catch up.
There is a lot of things to help new players in EVE now but they are really only to help you learn how things work, if you are wanting to be a PVP'er you are going to find that unless you fight with other longer term players(in a gang) you are going to get badly smashed and may find yourself with a starter ship and no ISK to get anything better.
EVE is not the sort of game that appeals to many people because it takes so long to be able to fly anything and be really good at it with skills, it is also because EVE is menu driven mainly and there is no way of moving without the point and click method (same with fighting)
Some people like to be able to have more control over things and in EVE this just won't happen.
as a game EVE has a lot to offer but it is going to cost you $34.99 every 60 days to play (has just been changed to this recently) and the adverage age of players in EVE would have to be in the mid 20's so it isn't hard to find decent conversation usually. (in fact there are people that play simply so they can chat to the other people)
I would suggest that people make use of the 14 day free trial if they are thinking of playing, (oh when you swap your account from the trial to paid it is going to cost you also, it isn't that much but it does cost so just be aware of that. this is on top of the normal cost of game time but is a one time only thing. from memory it is $5 -$10 or something like that)
Here one Day Gone The Next.
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I've been playing Eve for over four years, and thing have certainly changed over that time. Yes, there is an element of 'veterens' having high skill characters, and on a 1v1 basis (assuming a similar IQ), the vet is more likely to win in pvp.
However, there are many ways to play Eve. Its a sandbox afterall. Factional Warfare (FW) is a great way for new players to get into pvp early on, with the most basic of skills. Join one of the militia groups and join in one of the many roaming or defending gangs. So long as you have certain basic skills sorted (less than a weeks worth of skills), then you can contribute and get your first killmail.
Joining a corporation and/or alliance is another way to make your early contribution count towards something much bigger than yourself, where some may even take you under their wing and help you along, as happened to me when I started all those years ago.
Sadly this brings me to the biggest change in Eve in recent times which is the community. The forums are one indication of the type of people you are likely to meet in Eve, and in recent times this has reduced to some rather mean spirited and somewhat nasty individuals and corporations, whose main goal is to see you fail. Take a look for yourself at the kind of responses made on the forums in General Discussion, and you will see this rather awkward shift, which the developers CCP seem unwilling or unable to resolve.
In game you will find people you will want to spend time with, and enjoy their company as I did. These days, you will have to look harder, and be VERY thick skinned to the masses though, if your looking for that kind of interaction.
Eve is a harsh and unforgiving game these days, both inside and out (forums etc). If you're looking to be wrapped up in cotton wool like in almost any other MMORPG (eg WOW), then I suggest you look elsewhere.
After over four years of playing the general attitiude of the community both on and off the server is Eve's biggest weak point. Find the right crowd that suits you, and you may never look back.
ive played eve for a few weeks and i would say it is tough to start. Its hard to trust a corp in Empire space because you always hear stories of corps pod camping/killing new members and what not. So i have stayed away from corps. I have lost 1 ship, because i was impatient and decided to go through lowsec space(not a big deal, i could afford the loss). Missions are boring for me and repetitive ....... its the only thing i can really do now until i can get into a BC/BS. Sadly i think this is the reason why im going to unsubscribe soon.
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Thanks for all the advice, guys.
I will be joining you soon...
One thing I suggest that may help you out on missions. Train Connections to 4. It will really help your standings in the early times and get you into tougher missions sooner. Just make sure you have your skills up to par for that BC or BS. Level 4 missions is where the money is at for missions. You can make (depending on the mission) anywhere from 8-25 million in a single mission. If you have only been playing for a few weeks, Join Eve University corp, they will really help you out in learning the game. Then from there you can research corps and find you a good one.
You can just skip the "upgrade" and apply a time card code to your account. Save $5. You add the GTC to whatever's remaining of your trial too.
One thing I suggest that may help you out on missions. Train Connections to 4. It will really help your standings in the early times and get you into tougher missions sooner. Just make sure you have your skills up to par for that BC or BS. Level 4 missions is where the money is at for missions. You can make (depending on the mission) anywhere from 8-25 million in a single mission. If you have only been playing for a few weeks, Join Eve University corp, they will really help you out in learning the game. Then from there you can research corps and find you a good one.
e-uni was the reason why i quit eve the first time, the corp is bad imo. Their timezone isnt anywhere near mine when they actually decide to have a class. And they are always war decced, so again that always hinders classes. Also when i was in there, they blew up their own miner because he was afk mining when they were war decced. In other words no i wouldnt recommend or join e-uni.
Playing: EVE Online
Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -
@Tvalentine
So because you were in the wrong timezone, EVE-U is bad? Or because they taught their AFK-miner a lesson (don't AFK mine, especially when you're wardecced) instead of telling him, probably repeatedly, to stop doing it?
Mining while afk when wardecced is about as stupid a stunt as you can pull in EVE. Not only do you manage to lose your ship, you encourage the opposition by showing that their enemy is completely unprepared for the fight? That kind of thing leads to more wardecs, more enemies trolling for easy kills, and longer wars since kills = money that pays for the wardec.
Seems to me you just didn't get the point. Too bad about the timezones though, but as they are a player volunteer org, they don't always have instructors who can give classes during prime time on all timezones. It's not them being asses, it's physics.
One thing I suggest that may help you out on missions. Train Connections to 4. It will really help your standings in the early times and get you into tougher missions sooner. Just make sure you have your skills up to par for that BC or BS. Level 4 missions is where the money is at for missions. You can make (depending on the mission) anywhere from 8-25 million in a single mission. If you have only been playing for a few weeks, Join Eve University corp, they will really help you out in learning the game. Then from there you can research corps and find you a good one.
e-uni was the reason why i quit eve the first time, the corp is bad imo. Their timezone isnt anywhere near mine when they actually decide to have a class. And they are always war decced, so again that always hinders classes. Also when i was in there, they blew up their own miner because he was afk mining when they were war decced. In other words no i wouldnt recommend or join e-uni.
As with any corp, You need to select a corp that is going to be on when your on, so its up to you to research corps that will fit to your liking. Sorry to hear about your trouble with EVE-U but in all fairness it doesn't appear that any of the problems you had was with them, it was simply with you and when your on.
i was a newb and EVERYBODY recommended me to E-UNI, im not somebody who "Researchs" guilds or corps when everybody i ask says they are good.
They werent all that friendly, and the timezone, and the blowing up of their own miner, and constantly being wardecced, and barely haveing any classes going, does imo make them a bad corp for newbies. When you say you are going to run classes ... then run them, like i said before even when they werent war decced they barely had any classes going. And it is a newb guild, so of course somebody is gonna be a newb and afk mine during a wardec. I think they could have handled it better.
Playing: EVE Online
Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
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i was a newb and EVERYBODY recommended me to E-UNI, im not somebody who "Researchs" guilds or corps when everybody i ask says they are good.
Well, it IS a recommendation not a guarantee. Since the time zone is a big issue with you, That should have been your first question when you talked to the recruiter. You should always research the guild/clan you want to be in regardless of what people recommend. Granted they may have been able to handle the afk miner differently but I am not going to condone them for that as I was not there and no officer from EVE-U has responded to this. This could have been done by some rogue folks in the corp. There are spies EVERYWHERE. and there are trouble makers and just plain asses everywhere. Thats why it is up to YOU to do research.
As for the classes, well if nobody is on during your time zone, how do you expect them to have classes during that time? Just doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation to me.
i was a newb and EVERYBODY recommended me to E-UNI, im not somebody who "Researchs" guilds or corps when everybody i ask says they are good.
Well, it IS a recommendation not a guarantee. Since the time zone is a big issue with you, That should have been your first question when you talked to the recruiter. You should always research the guild/clan you want to be in regardless of what people recommend. Granted they may have been able to handle the afk miner differently but I am not going to condone them for that as I was not there and no officer from EVE-U has responded to this. This could have been done by some rogue folks in the corp. There are spies EVERYWHERE. and there are trouble makers and just plain asses everywhere. Thats why it is up to YOU to do research.
As for the classes, well if nobody is on during your time zone, how do you expect them to have classes during that time? Just doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation to me.
i was constantly on the site looking for classes, and i found very few classes, thats how i know there were barely any classes going. And you might do things differently, but as a newb and finding a "newie help guild" im not going to dive to deeply into the timezone bit, you are obviously different then me. And the afk miner was killed by an officer, i could tell due to the fact he said it, and everybody was mentioning how "an officer killed his own corpmate"
Playing: EVE Online
Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
KUF2's Official Website - http://www.kufii.com/ENG/ -