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Advantage: Mccain

my analysis. skewed and biased as it is.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/145737 

Mccain closes ground on obama. with nothing newsworthy or terribly damaging occuring since the last newsweek poll for obama.

except of course, his shift to the right from his primary position of leftfield bleachers.

this I find to be the most revealing:

"In the new poll, McCain leads Obama among independents 41 percent to 34 percent, with 25 percent favoring neither candidate. In June's NEWSWEEK Poll, Obama bested McCain among independent voters, 48 percent to 36 percent."

in uncertain times like todays economic mess i feel mccain would have a huge advantage. i dont believe people who are unsure of either candidate are willing to pull the lever for change, pull the lever for total uncertainty.

obamas camp needs a new strategy other than this lame McBush thing to court the uncertain voters. i feel the worse the economic position of the country, the harder it will be to vote for obama.with the war fading as a non-issue and the economy in the spotlight, the need for more oil, obama the liberal has a difficult road ahead of him.

perhaps Hillary is sounding better and better...

when do these candidates announce their VP choice?

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  • VemoiVemoi Member Posts: 1,546
    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    my analysis. skewed and biased as it is.
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/145737 
    Mccain closes ground on obama. with nothing newsworthy or terribly damaging occuring since the last newsweek poll for obama.
    except of course, his shift to the right from his primary position of leftfield bleachers.
    this I find to be the most revealing:
    "In the new poll, McCain leads Obama among independents 41 percent to 34 percent, with 25 percent favoring neither candidate. In June's NEWSWEEK Poll, Obama bested McCain among independent voters, 48 percent to 36 percent."
    in uncertain times like todays economic mess i feel mccain would have a huge advantage. i dont believe people who are unsure of either candidate are willing to pull the lever for change, pull the lever for total uncertainty.
    obamas camp needs a new strategy other than this lame McBush thing to court the uncertain voters. i feel the worse the economic position of the country, the harder it will be to vote for obama.with the war fading as a non-issue and the economy in the spotlight, the need for more oil, obama the liberal has a difficult road ahead of him.
    perhaps Hillary is sounding better and better...
    when do these candidates announce their VP choice?



     

    I thought I heard they announce VP at or after the convention.

    I would say Obama is in trouble if McCain is running even, after McCain's dull speaches and all the republicans still not knowing who they are voting for. That being said, I don't put much faith in polls weather I agree or not with them. I wish polls would go away.

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306

    I've been trying to tell you all along that Obama was more centrist, but you just kept spewing all the "socialist" bullshit that O'Reilly preaches to you. Now you all want to say he's flip-flopping from the position you 'thought' he was taking earlier. Of course Obama didn't accentuate these moderate positions during the primary, he was seeking votes from the democratic base. Being intelligent doesn't make you a flip-flopper. The sentence structure remains the same, Obama has just changed which words he chooses to emphasize.

     

    Primary: I will begin a phased withdrawal of troops from Iraq after speaking with the commanders on the ground.

    General: I will begin a phased withdrawal of troops in Iraq after speaking with the commanders on the ground.

     

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  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze Member Posts: 1,702
    Originally posted by DailyBuzz


    I've been trying to tell you all along that Obama was more centrist, but you just kept spewing all the "socialist" bullshit that O'Reilly preaches to you. Now you all want to say he's flip-flopping from the position you 'thought' he was taking earlier. Of course Obama didn't accentuate these moderate positions during the primary, he was seeking votes from the democratic base. Being intelligent doesn't make you a flip-flopper. The sentence structure remains the same, Obama has just changed which words he chooses to emphasize.
     
    Primary: I will begin a phased withdrawal of troops from Iraq after speaking with the commanders on the ground.
    General: I will begin a phased withdrawal of troops in Iraq after speaking with the commanders on the ground.
     



     

    Daily buzz. i have two young children and absolutely no time to watch o'reilly.

    his record is liberal. not centrist.

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  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze Member Posts: 1,702

    dailybuzz. i swear this is not a 'vast right wing conspiracy'.

    obama has geared toward the general election. he has in fact, moved 'right'. many news sources have said this.

    regarding iraq, if that is true he has misled his base of TAKE THEM OUT NOW.  he plainly has said(and left out the generals on the ground part)i in many speeches he wanted to remove the troops from this illegal war blah blah blah.

     

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  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    O.O I wonder what qualifies as Liberal if Obama is centrist?  If you believe Obama is Centrist then I see how you can view McCain as a hard core Conservative.

    I don't really think this poll represents independants as much.  Most independants don't like either party doctrines and either vote 3rd party or moderate.  The thing that surprises me is how much a percent Obama actually has.  I would think the majority of the people who would vote Obama would actually be voting 3rd party.

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  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    I don't know if Obama needs a new strategy. Republicans have pissed off people so much in the last 2 years its going to take a while for them to recover. From the looks of it Bush just keeps on truckin' and McCain hasn't really done anything exciting and his balls are safe.

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    dailybuzz. i swear this is not a 'vast right wing conspiracy'.
    I never said it was. I don't think most republicans care what Obama's stance is, as they will vote for McCain regardless. The same can be said of democrats for Obama. This flip-flopper stuff is for independents. The fact of the matter is Obama has held the same positions and been painted as someone shifting ideals, when actually what has happened is a change in the focus group. Anyone with any social experience knows you cannot communicate to all people with the same method. Changing delivery does not change substance. I can put a product in a box and have a bicyclist bring it to you or have it flown in an by leer jet, it doesn't change what's in the box.
    obama has geared toward the general election. he has in fact, moved 'right'. many news sources have said this.
    False. He has the same positions he has always had. Most of the people claiming that he's changed positions never bothered to research the specifics of his positions to start with. Others like to report 'flip-flopping' for people like yourself, who readily accept it. I think it's sad that most of the votes cast will be determined by the 30 second sound bites aired on 24 hour news networks. Perhaps some people will actually watch the debates before weighing in.

    regarding iraq, if that is true he has misled his base of TAKE THEM OUT NOW.  he plainly has said(and left out the generals on the ground part)i in many speeches he wanted to remove the troops from this illegal war blah blah blah.
    Again, false. Obama still plans a phased withdrawal -starting immediately after his election. He has maintained that the contingency force needed to SAFELY withdraw troops will be determined through discussions with commanders on the ground. This is the essence of "refining" the Iraq plan. It's not a question of whether he will withdraw troops, it's a question of the logistics required to withdraw them safely. Do a fact-check every once in a while. You will find that's he's been stipulating talks with ground commanders since 2007 -during the primaries.
     

     

  • Cabe2323Cabe2323 Member Posts: 2,939
    Originally posted by DailyBuzz

    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    dailybuzz. i swear this is not a 'vast right wing conspiracy'.
    I never said it was. I don't think most republicans care what Obama's stance is, as they will vote for McCain regardless. The same can be said of democrats for Obama. This flip-flopper stuff is for independents. The fact of the matter is Obama has held the same positions and been painted as someone shifting ideals, when actually what has happened is a change in the focus group. Anyone with any social experience knows you cannot communicate to all people with the same method. Changing delivery does not change substance. I can put a product in a box and have a bicyclist bring it to you or have it flown in an by leer jet, it doesn't change what's in the box.
    obama has geared toward the general election. he has in fact, moved 'right'. many news sources have said this.
    False. He has the same positions he has always had. Most of the people claiming that he's changed positions never bothered to research the specifics of his positions to start with. Others like to report 'flip-flopping' for people like yourself, who readily accept it. I think it's sad that most of the votes cast will be determined by the 30 second sound bites aired on 24 hour news networks. Perhaps some people will actually watch the debates before weighing in.

    regarding iraq, if that is true he has misled his base of TAKE THEM OUT NOW.  he plainly has said(and left out the generals on the ground part)i in many speeches he wanted to remove the troops from this illegal war blah blah blah.
    Again, false. Obama still plans a phased withdrawal -starting immediately after his election. He has maintained that the contingency force needed to SAFELY withdraw troops will be determined through discussions with commanders on the ground. This is the essence of "refining" the Iraq plan. It's not a question of whether he will withdraw troops, it's a question of the logistics required to withdraw them safely. Do a fact-check every once in a while. You will find that's he's been stipulating talks with ground commanders since 2007 -during the primaries.
     

     

    My issue with Obama is he is extremely liberal and not Centrist at all.  Shown by his voting record.  Not some crap that O'Reilly said.  (I have only watched two episodes ever and they were the episodes where Jon Stewart makes O'Reilly look like a douche bag and the episode where Jenna Jameson makes him look like a douche bag.  You can obviously see my opinion on O'Reilly and other "neocons")

     

    Obama's voting record shows he is not centrist.  I know you seem to think he is Daily but the only way that Obama is centrist is if you are so far left that you are no longer even a democrat and instead are a member of the US Communist Party.   Obama's record shows he is pretty far left on most ideas. 

    He is moving his message more to the right to appeal to Independents.  While not a flip flop it is a very astute stragedy to try and ramp up his appeal.  He already has most of the hardcore Democrats in his pocket.  So now he needs to go after the independants.  Independants overall are a lot more centrist then Obama's beliefs are.  So we will see how it works.  Combine this with the Obama's campaign to somehow turn McCain into a "neocon" which is laughable is their stragedy to get independants to vote Obama. 

     

    Only in America could what a person say currently so sway people that they actually forget everything the person has done in the past.  We collectively have the attention span the size of a flea.  It is ridiculous to me that people can forget 20+ years of moderate voting by McCain and paint him as a "neocon" and a flip flopper. 

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  • hazmatshazmats Member Posts: 1,081

    The thing that almost blows away Obama to mean is when he says "I'm for an individual right to bear arms" then says "I agree with the DC handgun ban."


    One cancels out the other mmmkay (IMO)

  • SagaBoySagaBoy Member Posts: 83
    Originally posted by hazmats


    The thing that almost blows away Obama to mean is when he says "I'm for an individual right to bear arms" then says "I agree with the DC handgun ban."


    One cancels out the other mmmkay (IMO)

     

    I'm against abortion; however, I understand and support women that use it as a means to stop a rape induced pregnancy.  The point I'm trying to make is that some issues are not as black and white as we'd like them to be.  I don't know what brought about a push for handgun bans in D.C. but I have to believe that at the core of the issue stands a point with some degree of validity.

    This is why I hate the term flip-flopper.  In a world with so much gray, we demand black and white clarification.  What most people call flip-flopping, I term good intellectual prowess.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    he doesn't have the xp to level up,I think this is why MC Cain is laying low,waiting on the debates.

    Obama is still running as-if he is still in Chicago,thats clear.

    this a vary unusual election don't you think so,it been over 39 yrs since we sent a senator to the white house.

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  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    I was under the impression the New Yorker was a left-wind mag.

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  • RajaiRajai Member UncommonPosts: 331

    the picture was meant to portray the views of a minority of the american public that views Barack HUSSEIN) Obama as a terrorist, his wife as a racist and his views as radical islamist





    I'm still voting for Obama but I wish that the choices were Romney/Huckabee and Edwards/Clinton or Obama

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  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by Rajai


    the picture was meant to portray the views of a minority of the american public that views Barack HUSSEIN) Obama as a terrorist, his wife as a racist and his views as radical islamist





    I'm still voting for Obama but I wish that the choices were Romney/Huckabee and Edwards/Clinton or Obama

    Im not voting for Obama but the pic on the cover of New Yorker is low ball blow.Its got to be vary small minority that thinks this kind of crap.And who are these people where do they live,its nuts.

     

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  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze Member Posts: 1,702

    I think the new yorker got the michelle obama pic, just about right.

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  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    I think the new yorker got the michelle obama pic, just about right.



     

    its that look on the " face " that makes it a dead giva-way.

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  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    why would a left wing mag put this on the cover,has to be more to it,than a small minority thinks this.

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  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by frodus



    Im not voting for Obama but the pic on the cover of New Yorker is low ball blow.Its got to be vary small minority that thinks this kind of crap.And who are these people where do they live,its nuts.

     

     

    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    I think the new yorker got the michelle obama pic, just about right.

     

    There you have it.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by DailyBuzz

    Originally posted by frodus



    Im not voting for Obama but the pic on the cover of New Yorker is low ball blow.Its got to be vary small minority that thinks this kind of crap.And who are these people where do they live,its nuts.

     

     

    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    I think the new yorker got the michelle obama pic, just about right.

     

    There you have it.

    Man you are quick.WTF

     

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  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze Member Posts: 1,702

    yes. i do believe michelle to be a racist.

    does my opinion hold water? is it ok to think this?

    i think she has a huge chip on her shoulder and that does not sit well with me.

    not in 2008. sry to disappoint. 

     

     

     

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  • RajaiRajai Member UncommonPosts: 331
    Originally posted by frodus

    Originally posted by Rajai


    the picture was meant to portray the views of a minority of the american public that views Barack HUSSEIN) Obama as a terrorist, his wife as a racist and his views as radical islamist





    I'm still voting for Obama but I wish that the choices were Romney/Huckabee and Edwards/Clinton or Obama

    Im not voting for Obama but the pic on the cover of New Yorker is low ball blow.Its got to be vary small minority that thinks this kind of crap.And who are these people where do they live,its nuts.

     

    I've met people who say things like this in private, they're the same people who use the N word casually and they're a lot more common than you may think.. especially in the south..



    unfortunately obama has lost his appeal since his nomination and it's making me feel like hillary would have been a stronger candidate..

    I feel like he needs a VP who will help him make the right decisions and Hillary would be that VP

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  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by bluberryhaze


    yes. i do believe michelle to be a racist.
    does my opinion hold water? is it ok to think this?
    i think she has a huge chip on her shoulder and that does not sit well with me.
    not in 2008. sry to disappoint. 

     

    I'm not surprised. Contrary to what you may believe, you're not at all original. I've known dozens of people like you. Of course it's alright to think whatever you want. Just remember thinking it doesn't validate it.

    You're right about one thing though, it is disappointing that people can be so oblivious to the social wounds affecting our nation. Even if it isn't an issue in your home, on your block, down your street, or even in your neighborhood.

     

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