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General: KoTOR MMO confirmed by Riccitiello

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  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    Im already there, just show me where to sign. Great news!

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  • AricBAricB Member Posts: 158

    wait was'nt that old lady in KORTOR 2 a Sith? Her and a few others like the guy with the black cloak with the kool mask, sorry I forget there names.

  • SerapheimSerapheim Member Posts: 18

    Yes it does appear to be great news, based on playing previous creations of Bioware eg: Kotor I+II and other great games like Jade Empire and Mass Effect surely they will make a half decent MMORPG! Lets just hope they do guys and not another epic failure like some of the MMORPG's promised or out there today...

  • jadan2000jadan2000 Member UncommonPosts: 508

    this is the best news ive heard. i just pray that bioware reinvents the wheel and make this game seem much different from the core mechanics then any other game!!

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  • jadan2000jadan2000 Member UncommonPosts: 508
    Originally posted by TheChronic


    a kotor mmo, so what?
    lol
    ElectronicArts oh my f. god.... and you guys think they will add something like pre-cu swg?
    they will defently not develop a sandbox style game, it will be a cookie cutter style gameplay like world of warcraft, only with the starwars theme...
     

    i personally dont want to see anything like swg in this game. i waould liek to play a star wars game that feels liek star wars, not just has star wars skins. If we are at war, let it feel that way, if we are to be hunted, let it feel that way.

     

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  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    wooot!

    blasters >  glowsticks

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  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812
    Originally posted by sactoking

    Originally posted by AricB


    I hear people say that this game will be over before it begains if Jedi are  a playable in the game. Well the Jedi and the Sith is what KORTOR is all about man!  In that time frame they are a very big part of the wars and battles that took place. The other big faction were the Mandalorians I bet that they  will be a playable class also or least I hope they will they could hold there own vs Jedi or Sith but the point is in MHO they have to have Jedi and Sith in game because thats whats alot of players would want , now just because they are in the game don't mean that they have to  be unbeatable I trust that Bioware & LA will find a nice  balance of the classes for the game, if not it can't be any worse than SWG is right now.

     

    Except, isn't it really about 'Good Jedi' vs. 'Evil Jedi' and 'The Republic' vs. 'The Sith' vs. the Manadalorians?

     

    I thought that in this time, 'Sith' referred to a race or faction of non-force sensitive people and NOT to the evil force-sensitive people. 

     

    The Sith in the Old Republic are already the Dark Jedi per se. The Sith as a race existed millenia before the Republic came into being during the time of the Hyperspace Wars I think.

     

    Anyway, Sith are Old Republic Dark Jedi/Faction. Not every Sith is a Dark jedi, but Dark Jedi consider themselves Sith. Is at least how I understood it.

  • JaskipJaskip Member Posts: 31

    Tears of joy

  • Death1942Death1942 Member UncommonPosts: 2,587

    damn.  i hate  the KoToR setting. oh well.  at least it will be better than the current SWG

     

    still...i really miss my stormtrooper armour and my tie fighter

    MMO wish list:

    -Changeable worlds
    -Solid non level based game
    -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads

  • WRyanWRyan Member Posts: 266

    Man... this is one of those things that you already knew, but is good to finally get 100% confirmation on anyway.  I've been waiting so long to hear this, and I am overjoyed to hear this.

    I love KOTOR.  I love it because it is not only Star Wars, but because it was and still is one of the best RPGs you can get.  The graphics are a bit outdated by today's standards, but they're not THAt bad.  Anyhoo...

    I'm not in love with The Old Republic setting... I always felt like there was a lot more room to explore the GCW era (SWG's timeline) and the time afterwards.  Be that as it may, I think TOR era is probably the best one to use in an MMO, simply because it can cater to everyone's perceptions of what Star Wars games should offer.  SWG, as much as I loved it, just couldn't legitimately explain the existence of Jedi in numbers more than a handful on a single server.

    As far as Jedi are concerned... I think there is a lot more to Star Wars than Jedi, and I think if anybody can do the rest of the lore justice, it's Bioware.  They have a knack for making even the lesser of the character-types have some significance.  And that was really my only beef with SWG and Jedi.  The devs simply did everything for them, and basically catered their entire development time to them.  And in its simplicity... that is the single reason why SWG originally failed.  They stopped production on all fronts, unless it dealt directly with Jedi.

    Now, what I am most curious about is what kind of gameplay mechanics Bioware will use with SW:TOR.  I mean, I would like to see how they handle Stats and Feats and stuff.  I'd be willing to bet they don't use the D20 system like in KOTOR I and II.  I hope they do something similar to Mass Effect, and maybe throw in a bit of what Bethesda is doing with Fallout 3.

    Man... these are exiciting times.  Finally, an MMO worth looking forward to.

  • MaeEyeMaeEye Member UncommonPosts: 1,107

    Do you hear that sound? 

     

    It's the sound of thousands of SWG vets heads exploding with pure joy. 

     

    EA, don't screw this up.  Let BioWare do what they do best.

    /played-mmorpgs

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  • tpoz34tpoz34 Member Posts: 21
    Originally posted by singsofdeath

    Originally posted by sactoking

    Originally posted by AricB


    I hear people say that this game will be over before it begains if Jedi are  a playable in the game. Well the Jedi and the Sith is what KORTOR is all about man!  In that time frame they are a very big part of the wars and battles that took place. The other big faction were the Mandalorians I bet that they  will be a playable class also or least I hope they will they could hold there own vs Jedi or Sith but the point is in MHO they have to have Jedi and Sith in game because thats whats alot of players would want , now just because they are in the game don't mean that they have to  be unbeatable I trust that Bioware & LA will find a nice  balance of the classes for the game, if not it can't be any worse than SWG is right now.

     

    Except, isn't it really about 'Good Jedi' vs. 'Evil Jedi' and 'The Republic' vs. 'The Sith' vs. the Manadalorians?

     

    I thought that in this time, 'Sith' referred to a race or faction of non-force sensitive people and NOT to the evil force-sensitive people. 

     

    The Sith in the Old Republic are already the Dark Jedi per se. The Sith as a race existed millenia before the Republic came into being during the time of the Hyperspace Wars I think.

     

    Anyway, Sith are Old Republic Dark Jedi/Faction. Not every Sith is a Dark jedi, but Dark Jedi consider themselves Sith. Is at least how I understood it.



     

     

    Doesn’t this all depend on what time frame they pick in “KOTOR” they could follow the New Novel of the Old Republic----Darth Bane Bath of destruction and Darth Bane rule of Two. Both these stories take place in “KOTOR” time line. In the second book all the dark Jedi have been killed but Darth Bane and his newly acquired apprentice and as for the Jedi themselves have taking a tremendous blow.

    However, even if you add other professions, but you can choose Jedi---everyone and their brother will be a Jedi.. Why call it MMO—you should just call it Jedi knights online and it should not be an MMO----with just Jedi running around you do not need a player based economy---Jedi’s build their own weapons…You cannot have Jedi being a starting profession—it will ruin the game.. However, people want an end game, in MMO’s well guess what that’s what it can be.. Make Jedi like it was SWG-pre-cu days, you earned it and if you died three times you became blue-glowy and you could not play that character again, not to mention bounty hunters hunted you down..(Now that’s a life a death MMO if I ever heard one..stupid SOE) To make a true Star Wars MMO—you just don’t hand out Jedi….

    Jedi should be earned not given to you!!!
  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    Originally posted by MaeEye


    Do you hear that sound? 
     
    It's the sound of thousands of SWG vets heads exploding with pure joy. 
     
    EA, don't screw this up.  Let BioWare do what they do best.



     

    i doubt SWG vets would play it unless it was a sandbox, which i highly doubt will be.

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  • vajurasvajuras Member Posts: 2,860

    looking forward to seeing the trailers and such its good news

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812
    Originally posted by tpoz34

    Originally posted by singsofdeath

    Originally posted by sactoking

    Originally posted by AricB


    I hear people say that this game will be over before it begains if Jedi are  a playable in the game. Well the Jedi and the Sith is what KORTOR is all about man!  In that time frame they are a very big part of the wars and battles that took place. The other big faction were the Mandalorians I bet that they  will be a playable class also or least I hope they will they could hold there own vs Jedi or Sith but the point is in MHO they have to have Jedi and Sith in game because thats whats alot of players would want , now just because they are in the game don't mean that they have to  be unbeatable I trust that Bioware & LA will find a nice  balance of the classes for the game, if not it can't be any worse than SWG is right now.

     

    Except, isn't it really about 'Good Jedi' vs. 'Evil Jedi' and 'The Republic' vs. 'The Sith' vs. the Manadalorians?

     

    I thought that in this time, 'Sith' referred to a race or faction of non-force sensitive people and NOT to the evil force-sensitive people. 

     

    The Sith in the Old Republic are already the Dark Jedi per se. The Sith as a race existed millenia before the Republic came into being during the time of the Hyperspace Wars I think.

     

    Anyway, Sith are Old Republic Dark Jedi/Faction. Not every Sith is a Dark jedi, but Dark Jedi consider themselves Sith. Is at least how I understood it.



     

     

    Doesn’t this all depend on what time frame they pick in “KOTOR” they could follow the New Novel of the Old Republic----Darth Bane Bath of destruction and Darth Bane rule of Two. Both these stories take place in “KOTOR” time line. In the second book all the dark Jedi have been killed but Darth Bane and his newly acquired apprentice and as for the Jedi themselves have taking a tremendous blow.

    However, even if you add other professions, but you can choose Jedi---everyone and their brother will be a Jedi.. Why call it MMO—you should just call it Jedi knights online and it should not be an MMO----with just Jedi running around you do not need a player based economy---Jedi’s build their own weapons…You cannot have Jedi being a starting profession—it will ruin the game.. However, people want an end game, in MMO’s well guess what that’s what it can be.. Make Jedi like it was SWG-pre-cu days, you earned it and if you died three times you became blue-glowy and you could not play that character again, not to mention bounty hunters hunted you down..(Now that’s a life a death MMO if I ever heard one..stupid SOE) To make a true Star Wars MMO—you just don’t hand out Jedi….

    Jedi should be earned not given to you!!!

     

    The Old Republic spans a great deal of time. There is lots going on there. So wherever it takes place, that's still up for grabs.

     

    And now to your points about Jedi. Why can't you have a player-based economy then? Do you think Jedi created everything themselves. Sure, they built their weapons. What about clothing? Armor? Equipment? Vehicles? Weapons BESIDE the Lightsabers, Fodd? Drink? Spaceships? Do you think all of that the Jedi did by themselves? Hardly, eh?

     

    If Jedi are the only classes you play in the game, it makes much more sense. Players are the Heroes/Villains. Jedi/Sith/Dark Jedi are the protagonists. I trust BioWare to still be able to come up with a versatile class-system (if they choose to go this way), so you can have different styles of play and characters.

     

    Frankly, all those people saying "if there are Jedi from the beginning this game will fail" are most likely just annoyed by what happened with Jedi in SWG.

  • tpoz34tpoz34 Member Posts: 21
    Originally posted by singsofdeath


     
    The Old Republic spans a great deal of time. There is lots going on there. So wherever it takes place, that's still up for grabs.
     
    And now to your points about Jedi. Why can't you have a player-based economy then? Do you think Jedi created everything themselves. Sure, they built their weapons. What about clothing? Armor? Equipment? Vehicles? Weapons BESIDE the Lightsabers, Fodd? Drink? Spaceships? Do you think all of that the Jedi did by themselves? Hardly, eh?
     
    If Jedi are the only classes you play in the game, it makes much more sense. Players are the Heroes/Villains. Jedi/Sith/Dark Jedi are the protagonists. I trust BioWare to still be able to come up with a versatile class-system (if they choose to go this way), so you can have different styles of play and characters.
     
    Frankly, all those people saying "if there are Jedi from the beginning this game will fail" are most likely just annoyed by what happened with Jedi in SWG.



     

     

    understand what you are saying And i will agree with what you said at the bottom!! Yes i am mad in what happened with jedi in SWG....

    I'm a star wars fan boy however, i can not bring myself to play that sh*ty game.. for what SOE did...

    I will wait in see how Bioware does it---and i trust them more then SOE....i just don't want another Star Wars game that could have sweet potential get dumbed down or be WOW fill  with star wars characters… SOE has put a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to a Star Wars online game!!!
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by TheChronic


    a kotor mmo, so what?
    lol
    ElectronicArts oh my f. god.... and you guys think they will add something like pre-cu swg?
    they will defently not develop a sandbox style game, it will be a cookie cutter style gameplay like world of warcraft, only with the starwars theme...
     

     

    I don't believe for a secong that they are making a space wow clone. But I doubt it will be a sandbox game either, bioware are famous for their story driven games so my guess is that the story will be a lot more in focus than it is in Wow. But if you want sandbox games you should hope that Maxis or another company like that make an new MMO. Bioware is more intrested in telling a good story than.

    Even though I hoped for a Baldurs gate online instead I'm looking forward to this game :)

  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641

    Wow.  Just wow. 

    Okay....admittedly, when I read this, it made both of my eyebrows go up involuntarily, and I felt a little pitter- patter type fluttering in my heart.  I absolutely loved KoTOR.  I can easily imagine it as an MMO.  Bioware has a good reputation, at least with ME, as I've played a fair number of their games.  Their rpgs haven't been bad....at ALL. And I know that taking that genre into an MMO environment is a different beast altogether, BUT....Blizzard had never done that before either, not really (D2 LOD online wasn't REALLY an MMO), and Blizzard (uhm oops, Activision Blizzard) has had pretty NOTABLE success.  Heh.

    I waffle somewhere between the "naysayers" (that are probably just butt-hurt ex-SWG players) and the overly optimistic, that think there's the possibility that EVERY new MMO could be "The One," as if they were potential candidates for a lifetime gamer marriage.

    What I will say definitively is this...  1)  I WILL be keeping an eye on this one.   2)  I'm a WEE tidbit excited.  3)  I know better than to condemn OR throw accolades at such an early stage, AND.... 4)  I wish Bioware all the luck in the world.  In this vicious world of unforgiving, vicious, and voraciously hungry gamers....they're going to need it.

     

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  • gurugeorgegurugeorge Member UncommonPosts: 481

    I'm definitely excited. 

    The problem with the SW franchise in and of itself is the restrictiveness of the licence.  The beauty of the KOTOR universe is that it's still recognisably Star Warsey, with Star Warsey stuff in it, but it's not restricted by the storyline of SW itself.

    IOW, the very foundation of a KOTOR MMO has the right "feel" to it - one of depth of lore plus freedom.

    This is why people are excited I think.  In this SW MMO you have a chance to feel you are "carving a name for yourself" in the game world as, e.g. a Jedi, without playing second fiddle to the main storyline, without feeling you're not as great a Jedi as Yoda or whatever.  Your imagination can "fill in" a place for yourself more easily.

    That Bioware are making it is a good thing, they have a lot of respect from most people, and a good run of hits made to a high standard of professionalism. 

    Interestingly, with Baldur's Gate they revitalised what was at the time a moribund CRPG genre .  It's quite conceivable they could break the mold with KOTORO too, and design a different type of highly popular MMO that has many of WoW's strengths and none of its weaknesses.  (This is what I take them to have meant in the interview when they were talking about admiring WoW.)

    But even if they don't do something hugely original in terms of MMO design, it should still be a solid MMO.

     

  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by MaeEye


    Do you hear that sound? 
     
    It's the sound of thousands of SWG vets heads exploding with pure joy. 
     
    EA, don't screw this up.  Let BioWare do what they do best.

     

    No

    I hear thousands of Star Wars and pre CU/NGE fans going :... "oh noes... wow in space with lightsabers"...

     

    this is gonna be about classes, levels, raids, arenas / battlegrounds / instances and linear.. BLAH

     

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  • vajurasvajuras Member Posts: 2,860
    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by MaeEye


    Do you hear that sound? 
     
    It's the sound of thousands of SWG vets heads exploding with pure joy. 
     
    EA, don't screw this up.  Let BioWare do what they do best.

     

    No

    I hear thousands of Star Wars and pre CU/NGE fans going :... "oh noes... wow in space with lightsabers"...

     

    this is gonna be about classes, levels, raids, arenas / battlegrounds / instances and linear.. BLAH

     

     

    omg I hope not. I pray its more like KOTR cause I'm not down for that nonsense either.

  • DraenorDraenor Member UncommonPosts: 7,918

    The sith lord with the cool mask from KOTOR 2 was called Darth Nihilus.

     

    It always made me mad that you could loot the mask, but not wear it.

     

    As for the new KOTOR MMO...I can't imagine NOT being excited about this game...And I think that it shows a lot of promise that the origional KOTOR games were initially developed for the xbox, for those of us who are more into the console scene now than the PC gaming scene.

     

    As everyone has said, the timeline is much better for a game, and Bioware is a very capable crew...As for whether or not Jedi will ruin the game, they certainly will not, at least not from a lore standpoint...Jedi screwed up SWG for obvious reasons, reasons that the Old Republic timeline will not have to contend with.  The massive potential of this game cannot be overstated, I can't wait to put on my Sith robes and power up my light saber for the first time.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • GutboyGutboy Member Posts: 630

    Somehow I don't think they're going to announce to the most rabid, obsessive, frothing nerds in the world that their train is coming home through portfolio.com.

     

  • mynameisbenmynameisben Member Posts: 33

    interesting, i envision a small number of massive spaceports where we can all meet and greet and possibly kill each other.  and a large number of planets  where we can go to quest and gather resources and of course kill each other.

    putting this on the console is a no brainer. give us a decent "destiny" storyline ala AOC, lots of explorable content, some pvp, infinite avatar and ship customization.  and how about some couch co-op like in fable 2? with two accounts of course.

  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by vajuras

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by MaeEye


    Do you hear that sound? 
     
    It's the sound of thousands of SWG vets heads exploding with pure joy. 
     
    EA, don't screw this up.  Let BioWare do what they do best.

     

    No

    I hear thousands of Star Wars and pre CU/NGE fans going :... "oh noes... wow in space with lightsabers"...

     

    this is gonna be about classes, levels, raids, arenas / battlegrounds / instances and linear.. BLAH

     

     

    omg I hope not. I pray its more like KOTR cause I'm not down for that nonsense either.

     

    so what happens when the stories run out and where is the replayability?

    storylines that are tailored towards linear makes no sense for mmos.. sure it is good for the developer but where is the point?

     

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