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We need a nasty hardcore FFA PvP MMORPG to shut up all the griefers and gankers.
gillvane1
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We need something like Shadowbane, only not a buggy broken graphically ugly mess.
Something that all the "hardcore" gankers and griefers are always asking for.
It needs to be FFA. You can attack anyone, anywhere. And on top of being able to kill anyone, anywhere, the leveling curve needs to be steep. And just to taunt players, make leveling much easier if you're in a group. Of course, if you do group, someone in the group will probably stab you in the back when your hit points are way down.
Of course, make players lootable. Not just one or two items, but be able to strip someone and take as much gear as you can carry.
And, you should be able to gank newbs, and anyone that is 10 levels above you or more, can totally pwn you, and you can't even do one point of damage to them.
Put everything in it, like stealth, crowd control, and the ability to one shot another player with the right set up. All the stuff that most players cry about.
The graphics dont' need to be bleeding edge, because the sort of players that like this game are more concerned about gameplay than graphics.
We just need one of these games, and we can send all the "hardcore" players that complain about RvR or carebears, or whatever, to that game.
There really isn't anything out, or even in development that I know of, that fits this bill. Not just an after thought FFA server, but a game actually designed to be like this, a real pain in the arse for the casual player that doesn't want to get ganked every 5 minutes. I think there's enough players looking for this sort of gameplay, that it could make a buck. It's not going to be really popular, and it's definitely a niche, but I think it's a niche that needs to be filled.
No offense to the griefers and gankers out there. Seriously, someone needs to make this game.
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Shadowbane? That game was weak.
We need Darkfall baby!
EDIT: Yes I know, im sick of staying with carebears too, we definately need our own game. Bloody Darkfall, release already!
They won't play it :P
They won't have the people who don't want that to terrorize.
I forgot to add, because I didn't think it was necessary, that Vaporware doesn't count.
If you're saying we need something LIKE Darkfall, but that is actually in development, then I agree.
But actually, make it more simple than Darkfall, so it's more likely to get finished and released. You don't need to be able to craft ships, and have naval battles and all that baloney. Just add the features I listed in the OP, and that will be good enough.
Actually, they WILL play it. Sure, they'd like it better if they could terrorize players that don't want this sort of gameplay, but they WILL terrorize each other. Sure, subscription numbers will be low compared to most AAA titles, but I think it would work, since you'd be the ONLY hardcore game in town.
The DAoC FFA servers were god awful to play on, but still people played.
Won't work they will cause that game to die like they do others and then infest whatever else comes a long and say their stuff was awesome and is the only way to make games survive.
Gilvane, you're the creator of mmorpgmaker aren't you? Grab some people there, and take care of that problem!
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
I forgot to add, because I didn't think it was necessary, that Vaporware doesn't count.
If you're saying we need something LIKE Darkfall, but that is actually in development, then I agree.
But actually, make it more simple than Darkfall, so it's more likely to get finished and released. You don't need to be able to craft ships, and have naval battles and all that baloney. Just add the features I listed in the OP, and that will be good enough.
Yes, I mean something exactly like Darkfall thats in development.
I wont say its vaporware, but I wont say its in development either... people can argue on this forever, and this isnt a Darkfall flame thread, so lets not flame it. I hope it released, but chances are bleak as we all know.
As for they wont play it, those arent hardcore players then. They're just pussies. A person who cant take his own medicine deserves to die, seriously.
It's fun killing a bunch of carebears who're defenseless and keep whining about dying etc, but its just SOOO much more fun killing someone that actually poses a challenge.
But you've had it for 7 years.. It's called ForumFall.
Darkfall is played out vaporware that is worse than Shadowbane.
See my avatar for a reality check.
But you've had it for 7 years.. It's called ForumFall.
Darkfall is played out vaporware that is worse than Shadowbane.
See my avatar for a reality check.
ForumFall? Bah, a bunch of guys that think they're hardcore.
Worse than Shadowbane? It probably never will see the light of day, so you cant really make a comparison.
I never said it WILL release, and I never said it WONT.
What I meant to say was, we need something like Darkfall. Period.
Was this meant to prove my point? Because if you consider yourself hardcore then it did...
It wouldn't work, because the only people that would play such a game would be the people who want to gank others all day long, and since eventually the gankers would become the gankees, they would quit because that just isn't fun.
bottom line, the "hardcore pvp'ers" who want full pvp, really just want full pvp on their own terms...and while I understand that this was a joke OP, it really is telling of the attitude that pervades so much of the "hardcore pvp" community.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
There is also Mortal Online, just started development so I wouldn't look for it anytime soon.
I'd like to see a hardcore pvp game get released. Not because I really want to play I'm just curious to see if it will work or if the community would implode on itself. Interesting science project on human behavior.
That game is already here it's called EVE Online and we have plenty of prey to terrorize
Whatever you cant take has been burned to the bone. and if you too lazy to kill them just hold'em up for ransom then shoot'em if you feeling extra mean
It doesn't get much better then that <smokes a cigarette>
Yep, EvE is the game the OP refers to.
Either a lot of you are able to read minds, or you should just stop assuming you know what some people want.
Not everyone that wants a hardcore pvp game wants one so they can gank and grief.
And the OP pretty much described Lineage 2. Minus the lootable corpses and weak graphics.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Eve is concentual pvp. You don't have to go to lower security systems if you don't want to. Not nocking Eve just stating facts.
I gave Eve a try and I really wanted to like it but it just didn't do it for me.
Pirates of the Burning Sea
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I believe these are named Counterstrike, TF2, etc, etc. Well, except for the whole leveling aspect.
You want true frag infested PVP, go play a FPS. This gameplay has been around for almost a couple decades.
Isn't FFA.
Lineage 2 is ffa with a steep level curve.
Wish Darkfall would release.
You are not stating facts. There are many ways pirates can get ya in high sec:
1) Anyway in group with ya can kill ya
2) Anyone can wardec your corp/alliance and kill you ANYWHERE
3) pirates can jump in yer mission with ya, steal your loot, if you aggress them they can kill ya
4) pirates will scan down yer ship and if you hauling a fortune and not warp to 0 they will kill ya and take it all. a guy jusyt lost 200mil he was hauling a Hulk in a hauler and the pirates got him
EVE is that game above that is what many of us play it is straight up FFA
You are not stating facts. There are many ways pirates can get ya in high sec:
1) Anyway in group with ya can kill ya
2) Anyone can wardec your corp/alliance and kill you ANYWHERE
3) pirates can jump in yer mission with ya, steal your loot, if you aggress them they can kill ya
4) pirates will scan down yer ship and if you hauling a fortune and not warp to 0 they will kill ya and take it all. a guy jusyt lost 200mil he was hauling a Hulk in a hauler and the pirates got him
EVE is that game above that is what many of us play it is straight up FFA
All true. Sad too, because if it wasn't for the ganking I'd still be playing EVE today. That game had lots of cool features I enjoyed, but once I found out I couldn't even mine the best ores without opening myself up to being mugged, that was it for me.
It was a frustrating realization, but whaddya gonna do? Yes, I play 'carebear' style, but so do many others and eve is sadly no longer getting my monthly fee because if it. If they ever do decide to go more than one server, and offer perhaps a pve or only-consensual pvp server, I'll gladly rejoin.
You do realize that in a good FFA PvP game you'll end up with a logrithmic leveling scale*, heavily crafting and resource based**, and maybe some Guilding tossed in+
Basically a pure FFA PvP game is not a world like EvE. Sure they share and edge or two but they are not the same. Though I really do need to digress with your idea of stealth mechanics they aren't something that was ever meant for PvP or makes even the remotest of sense for it(yes I appreciate your sarcasm, but I'll enjoy correcting what a sane 'pure FFA' game would have, rather than what teh hardcorzor basementers want).
*skill based system where at most you're only bringing a handfull of those skills into combat. so to get to the maxium power tier(character statistics) it would just take you a couple of days maybe a week, but to unlock every option you'll be there for a long time even though you won't be able to use all of them in one battle. While a world like EvE/Wurm does have some of this you'll literally be building up your character up over years and in a traditional MMO linear/exponetial power tier type style, This investment is also designed so you don't go pyscho insane like you can in a FFA PvP game.
**while wandering resource collecting and just generally keeping people moving about, also maximizing the value of targets at the same time. Also provides ways to replace gear lost, or to recycle gear you can't sell and don't want to use.
+not really needed for a pure FFA PvP game, but provides a great way for the fraction of the remaining side to get loot from both allies and enemies. and provide a reason for attacking someone not that it's needed
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
You are not stating facts. There are many ways pirates can get ya in high sec:
1) Anyway in group with ya can kill ya
2) Anyone can wardec your corp/alliance and kill you ANYWHERE
3) pirates can jump in yer mission with ya, steal your loot, if you aggress them they can kill ya
4) pirates will scan down yer ship and if you hauling a fortune and not warp to 0 they will kill ya and take it all. a guy jusyt lost 200mil he was hauling a Hulk in a hauler and the pirates got him
EVE is that game above that is what many of us play it is straight up FFA
All true. Sad too, because if it wasn't for the ganking I'd still be playing EVE today. That game had lots of cool features I enjoyed, but once I found out I couldn't even mine the best ores without opening myself up to being mugged, that was it for me.
It was a frustrating realization, but whaddya gonna do? Yes, I play 'carebear' style, but so do many others and eve is sadly no longer getting my monthly fee because if it. If they ever do decide to go more than one server, and offer perhaps a pve or only-consensual pvp server, I'll gladly rejoin.
Like you I play 'carebear' style most of the time (not all but most of the time). I live in nullsec and its incredibly safe if you watch the Intel and Local chat. I've been living in nullsec for months and months never been ganked once. Only one time did I die and that was because I undocked from station before checking my local chat window (local system for reds).
They make it really easy to live. I've lived through many wardecs. Of course I'm a member of a nice Alliance and that is how I roll.
Lastly, dont mine for ore. Loot it from shoip wrecks like the rest of us unless for some reason you adore mining (in which no one really does miners tend to quit more then anyone)
<edit> and no man EVE must stay 1 server that what make it special. I have honestly met bout 4-5 people in real life that play EVE. It is so great we all on one server. you have no idea how convient it is not having to transfer servers to play together. At all times we in same channel and communicate with each other. This is why I been wit EVE for a long time now and no plans to leave. It is only true MMO besides maybe Guild Wars (yes seriously IRONIC GW is not an MMO but it is 1 server)
You are not stating facts. There are many ways pirates can get ya in high sec:
1) Anyway in group with ya can kill ya
2) Anyone can wardec your corp/alliance and kill you ANYWHERE
3) pirates can jump in yer mission with ya, steal your loot, if you aggress them they can kill ya
4) pirates will scan down yer ship and if you hauling a fortune and not warp to 0 they will kill ya and take it all. a guy jusyt lost 200mil he was hauling a Hulk in a hauler and the pirates got him
EVE is that game above that is what many of us play it is straight up FFA
Well I can't really dispute your claims with absolute certainty like I say I didn't get very far into Eve before I realized it wasn't for me.
But,
1 you can choose who to group with.
2 you can choose not to join a corp.
3 yes people can grief but it is still your choice to say f it and fly away.
4 if you attack someone in a secure sector don't you get attacked? I didn't get far so maybe I just don't fully get eve.