PvP will always take more skill than PvE IMO. In a fair PvP fight your opponent is unpredictable, unlike the computer. To me World PvP never gets old... Unlike PvE which is basically the same thing over and over. When someone spews/cries that they hate being ganked or PvP... It's cause they're use to playing kiddy games or their games are on easy mode.
These people who cry about PvP remind me of THAT kid who would throw his game controller w/e he lost.
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I have gone by the name of Slayde in my gaming life. As a pk I would like to tell you that pk is needed! It is needed because most Ultima Online (UO) veterans say that when they were scared it was the best part of the game, it provides a better community, and we are hunted down by others. This is why PK is important to a games life.
First of all, some veterans from the UO days claim that the most fun they had was when they were scared of being pk at every step. I was pk in Diablo 2 repeaditivly and it only made me stronger, because I learned how to survive in the world better. Uo had the murder-system which was where anyone killed anyone they wanted to wherever they wanted to. I should be able to in this game walk into a Dwarf city as a Chosen and kill anyone there NPC’s included, to hurt the other side. This is what would happen if chosen walked into a Dwarf city. Therefore pk is fun for fear reasons, and it is realistic.
Secondly, it provides a better community. Most older generation/teen generations get really annoyed at kids and players who beg, whine, bitch, spam, and tell Chuck Norris jokes. These people fill up the chat systems, and get ignored by others. But, When we kill them when they do this, they stop. If they don’t we kill them again and again. This makes people happy because they don’t have to listen to these people anymore. These players then start to actually play the game. PK makes a great community.
Lastly, people do get annoyed at us, which makes them ask their friends to come kill us. We need to be skillful at what we do because we can be killed at any moment as well. We also need to on the ball because we could be killed at any moment. Killing other players regardless of their level is a good aspect of the game.
Therefore, the online gaming world is made up of three different kinds of people: The Wolf, Carebear, and the Hero. The wolf is the PK, and he kills the carebears. The carebears are those who spam, whine, bitch, and beg. Carebears go and ask the Hero to save them by killing the Wolves. The Hero is the Anti-PK. They then go and kill the Wolves and are praised for it or they die trying. That is why PK is needed for online gaming.
LOL .. luckily almost no developer is listening to your silly ideas.
PvP will always take more skill than PvE IMO. In a fair PvP fight your opponent is unpredictable, unlike the computer. To me World PvP never gets old... Unlike PvE which is basically the same thing over and over. When someone spews/cries that they hate being ganked or PvP... It's cause they're use to playing kiddy games or their games are on easy mode.
These people who cry about PvP remind me of THAT kid who would throw his game controller w/e he lost.
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
I wonder why "some rare few" PVE'ers think pvpers are begging for them to please come play our MMO as if our game is empty? EVE is what about 250k with over 40,000 concurrent players online. With that many prey online you think we need for some player to come into the community, get killed one time, then campaign for a fractured server with different rule sets?
No, I want for EVE to always remain 1 server. So trust this- pkers are not begging carebears to come play. We enjoy the company of like minded individuals in our MMOs that way our way of life does not get 'dumbed' down or ruined.
I have gone by the name of Slayde in my gaming life. As a pk I would like to tell you that pk is needed! It is needed because most Ultima Online (UO) veterans say that when they were scared it was the best part of the game, it provides a better community, and we are hunted down by others. This is why PK is important to a games life.
First of all, some veterans from the UO days claim that the most fun they had was when they were scared of being pk at every step. I was pk in Diablo 2 repeaditivly and it only made me stronger, because I learned how to survive in the world better. Uo had the murder-system which was where anyone killed anyone they wanted to wherever they wanted to. I should be able to in this game walk into a Dwarf city as a Chosen and kill anyone there NPC’s included, to hurt the other side. This is what would happen if chosen walked into a Dwarf city. Therefore pk is fun for fear reasons, and it is realistic.
Secondly, it provides a better community. Most older generation/teen generations get really annoyed at kids and players who beg, whine, bitch, spam, and tell Chuck Norris jokes. These people fill up the chat systems, and get ignored by others. But, When we kill them when they do this, they stop. If they don’t we kill them again and again. This makes people happy because they don’t have to listen to these people anymore. These players then start to actually play the game. PK makes a great community.
Lastly, people do get annoyed at us, which makes them ask their friends to come kill us. We need to be skillful at what we do because we can be killed at any moment as well. We also need to on the ball because we could be killed at any moment. Killing other players regardless of their level is a good aspect of the game.
Therefore, the online gaming world is made up of three different kinds of people: The Wolf, Carebear, and the Hero. The wolf is the PK, and he kills the carebears. The carebears are those who spam, whine, bitch, and beg. Carebears go and ask the Hero to save them by killing the Wolves. The Hero is the Anti-PK. They then go and kill the Wolves and are praised for it or they die trying. That is why PK is needed for online gaming.
Had to re-read because this thread been around for so long. Hm, like I said before I agree but I also understand some players dont want to be bothered with PKs.
As long as they get their own games and we get ours I'm fine. We're getting plenty of love I think these days on the PK front. And there is always FPS if I need some twitch
I do hope for MMOFPS one day that lacks -RPG elements altogether. Just some minor progression like FPS games have now will be fine for me. No roleplay, just 24/7 murder show
I have gone by the name of Slayde in my gaming life. As a pk I would like to tell you that pk is needed! It is needed because most Ultima Online (UO) veterans say that when they were scared it was the best part of the game, it provides a better community, and we are hunted down by others. This is why PK is important to a games life.
First of all, some veterans from the UO days claim that the most fun they had was when they were scared of being pk at every step. I was pk in Diablo 2 repeaditivly and it only made me stronger, because I learned how to survive in the world better. Uo had the murder-system which was where anyone killed anyone they wanted to wherever they wanted to. I should be able to in this game walk into a Dwarf city as a Chosen and kill anyone there NPC’s included, to hurt the other side. This is what would happen if chosen walked into a Dwarf city. Therefore pk is fun for fear reasons, and it is realistic.
Secondly, it provides a better community. Most older generation/teen generations get really annoyed at kids and players who beg, whine, bitch, spam, and tell Chuck Norris jokes. These people fill up the chat systems, and get ignored by others. But, When we kill them when they do this, they stop. If they don’t we kill them again and again. This makes people happy because they don’t have to listen to these people anymore. These players then start to actually play the game. PK makes a great community.
Lastly, people do get annoyed at us, which makes them ask their friends to come kill us. We need to be skillful at what we do because we can be killed at any moment as well. We also need to on the ball because we could be killed at any moment. Killing other players regardless of their level is a good aspect of the game.
Therefore, the online gaming world is made up of three different kinds of people: The Wolf, Carebear, and the Hero. The wolf is the PK, and he kills the carebears. The carebears are those who spam, whine, bitch, and beg. Carebears go and ask the Hero to save them by killing the Wolves. The Hero is the Anti-PK. They then go and kill the Wolves and are praised for it or they die trying. That is why PK is needed for online gaming.
Had to re-read because this thread been around for so long. Hm, like I said before I agree but I also understand some players dont want to be bothered with PKs.
As long as they get their own games and we get ours I'm fine. We're getting plenty of love I think these days on the PK front. And there is always FPS if I need some twitch
I do hope for MMOFPS one day that lacks -RPG elements altogether. Just some minor progression like FPS games have now will be fine for me. No roleplay, just 24/7 murder show
I thought that is what counter strike and halo is for?
I have gone by the name of Slayde in my gaming life. As a pk I would like to tell you that pk is needed! It is needed because most Ultima Online (UO) veterans say that when they were scared it was the best part of the game, it provides a better community, and we are hunted down by others. This is why PK is important to a games life.
First of all, some veterans from the UO days claim that the most fun they had was when they were scared of being pk at every step. I was pk in Diablo 2 repeaditivly and it only made me stronger, because I learned how to survive in the world better. Uo had the murder-system which was where anyone killed anyone they wanted to wherever they wanted to. I should be able to in this game walk into a Dwarf city as a Chosen and kill anyone there NPC’s included, to hurt the other side. This is what would happen if chosen walked into a Dwarf city. Therefore pk is fun for fear reasons, and it is realistic.
Secondly, it provides a better community. Most older generation/teen generations get really annoyed at kids and players who beg, whine, bitch, spam, and tell Chuck Norris jokes. These people fill up the chat systems, and get ignored by others. But, When we kill them when they do this, they stop. If they don’t we kill them again and again. This makes people happy because they don’t have to listen to these people anymore. These players then start to actually play the game. PK makes a great community.
Lastly, people do get annoyed at us, which makes them ask their friends to come kill us. We need to be skillful at what we do because we can be killed at any moment as well. We also need to on the ball because we could be killed at any moment. Killing other players regardless of their level is a good aspect of the game.
Therefore, the online gaming world is made up of three different kinds of people: The Wolf, Carebear, and the Hero. The wolf is the PK, and he kills the carebears. The carebears are those who spam, whine, bitch, and beg. Carebears go and ask the Hero to save them by killing the Wolves. The Hero is the Anti-PK. They then go and kill the Wolves and are praised for it or they die trying. That is why PK is needed for online gaming.
Had to re-read because this thread been around for so long. Hm, like I said before I agree but I also understand some players dont want to be bothered with PKs.
As long as they get their own games and we get ours I'm fine. We're getting plenty of love I think these days on the PK front. And there is always FPS if I need some twitch
I do hope for MMOFPS one day that lacks -RPG elements altogether. Just some minor progression like FPS games have now will be fine for me. No roleplay, just 24/7 murder show
I thought that is what counter strike and halo is for?
FPS games lack persistence.
An MMOFPS should be like EVE Online but rather then have time based training and auto-attack we can use our player skill.
PvP will always take more skill than PvE IMO. In a fair PvP fight your opponent is unpredictable, unlike the computer. To me World PvP never gets old... Unlike PvE which is basically the same thing over and over. When someone spews/cries that they hate being ganked or PvP... It's cause they're use to playing kiddy games or their games are on easy mode.
These people who cry about PvP remind me of THAT kid who would throw his game controller w/e he lost.
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
No matter what we try to say, you will always insult and wanne have last word and generalise all pvp oriented as the same, but np calling us stupid or pricesless idiots say more about you then us.
Learn to read and analise it first before jump to conclusions, and insults dont bother me, you are some nameless meatsack, somewhere save behind his pc and think he is so tough calling others idiot's:P
Try to growup a litlle and wise up, your not there yet but if you try hard who knows maybe someday you can reply a little more mature:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I wonder why "some rare few" PVE'ers think pvpers are begging for them to please come play our MMO as if our game is empty? EVE is what about 250k with over 40,000 concurrent players online. With that many prey online you think we need for some player to come into the community, get killed one time, then campaign for a fractured server with different rule sets?
No, I want for EVE to always remain 1 server. So trust this- pkers are not begging carebears to come play. We enjoy the company of like minded individuals in our MMOs that way our way of life does not get 'dumbed' down or ruined.
Isn't that the other way around with all the pkers bitching & moaning about not enough MMOs have PK?
Eve needs the PvEers to expand its business a lot MORE than PvEers need Eve. There are plenty of PvE-centric games out there.
I wonder why "some rare few" PVE'ers think pvpers are begging for them to please come play our MMO as if our game is empty? EVE is what about 250k with over 40,000 concurrent players online. With that many prey online you think we need for some player to come into the community, get killed one time, then campaign for a fractured server with different rule sets?
No, I want for EVE to always remain 1 server. So trust this- pkers are not begging carebears to come play. We enjoy the company of like minded individuals in our MMOs that way our way of life does not get 'dumbed' down or ruined.
Isn't that the other way around with all the pkers bitching & moaning about not enough MMOs have PK?
Eve needs the PvEers to expand its business a lot MORE than PvEers need Eve. There are plenty of PvE-centric games out there.
Hm, not really most pve'ers that play EVE in my experience are open to pvp. They have to be, because they be killed anytime they undock (literally)
Bah narusselsen made me do something hate doing and that is misrepresent EVE Online. It is true there is no safe zones in normal MMO speak. But there are 'safer' zones. I unfortunately cannot properly explain EVE Online it is truly complex. All I can say is that obviously, many pve'ers have a long lifespan. I've never been killed in high sec myself and I've been playing for close to a year.
It's a game for everyone and it cannot be properly summed up in a post.
?Unfortunately not all players are attracted to being in space. However, I come here to mmorpg.com almost every morning before I go to work. This is the only pvp thread I can recall reading in many, many weeks.
I do not think pvpers are moaning and crying? If they are, well I dont blame them only EVE Online has meaningful pvp and battles and persistent wars that end (that is a current MMO with current graphics)
1. If OP is really 16 now, then he would have been 6 in UO (at least in the decent pk time period)
2. OP's kill count in his sig is impossible.
3. Raph koster is designer dragon UO's lead dev, he worked on SWG. He considers UOs freedom a failure because he did not forsee people wanting to grief each other.
4. Tom chilton is Evocare the UO lead dev that destroyed UO's pvp and produced age of shadows. He is also kaigan developer for world of warcraft. Blizzard considers him their PvP Guru (laugh).
5. Why are people bringing up player counts. The number of people with a computer has infinitely increased since the late 90's.
That being said I am a fan of open PK. I do not think the games or the people are ready for open PK to come back. In Ultima Online it was not uncommon for a player to fight another player 1on1 and not run away even though he could lose all of his gear. In World of Warcraft people run constantly and won't come back until they have a whole gang to back them up even though they would have lost nothing upon death.
In WoW I enter a battlegrounds and do my very best to win while my allies sit at stables and brag about afking.
Its a different breed of games for a different breed of players.
also to eliminate pk is eliminating the R in MMORPG. there is a reason D&D ,Harn, ect. involved Chaotic Evil characters. because it is roleplaying a murderer. so to not include pk is to get rid of the roleplaying part in the Massivly Multiplayer Online ROLEPLAYING Game
Nope, I can roleplay a dwarf who likes to get drunk and kill wolves all day long. So again, you fail.
you miss my point. pk are ROLEPLAYING the murderers and criminals in the games society. so therefore we are also roleplaying. when people get rid of pk they are getting rid of the freedom of roleplaying.
So, if you roleplay a criminal or murderer, you won't get annoyed when npc's catch you, lock you in prison for several years, and force you, through a clause in the games EULA, to pay the subscription, even though gameplay from that point onwards involves staring through a window in your virtual cell, watching all the "carebares" having fun, while you, Mr Menace to Society, sits there, trapped, with a fat man who loves you in a "special" way.
You talk about people getting rid of PK, and taking away your freedom, but murdurers and criminals have their freedom taken away and get put in prison, thats what roleplaying a scumbag gets you!
PvP will always take more skill than PvE IMO. In a fair PvP fight your opponent is unpredictable, unlike the computer. To me World PvP never gets old... Unlike PvE which is basically the same thing over and over. When someone spews/cries that they hate being ganked or PvP... It's cause they're use to playing kiddy games or their games are on easy mode.
These people who cry about PvP remind me of THAT kid who would throw his game controller w/e he lost.
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
No matter what we try to say, you will always insult and wanne have last word and generalise all pvp oriented as the same, but np calling us stupid or pricesless idiots say more about you then us.
Learn to read and analise it first before jump to conclusions, and insults dont bother me, you are some nameless meatsack, somewhere save behind his pc and think he is so tough calling others idiot's:P
Try to growup a litlle and wise up, your not there yet but if you try hard who knows maybe someday you can reply a little more mature:)
I hope English is a 2nd language for you.
There your ignorant arse goes again. You throw "carebear" out...which happens to be a deragatory term for those that dont enjoy PvP...yet whine when you get less than friendly replys.
Hypocrit much do we?
I am the internet tuff guy? Really?
I dont have the need to corpse camp folks to get my jollies on. I dont have the need to go onto forums, and call folks "carebear" either. Here is a clue for your ignorant arse....calling folks "carebear" isnt trying to get along with others.
You should really look into the mirror before making claims that do not apply. Or better yet, STFU next time the subject is brought up. Throwing insults, and not expecting a reply, is about the most simple-minded thing I have heard of in quite a while.
There isnt a thing I say on these brds I wouldnt say in RL. Why? Well it isnt cause I am Chuck Norris...quite the contrary...I am on disability with muscle/bone problems from steriod use over a 20 plus yr span. Will be 40 next month, and walk like I am 80 from the damage done to my system.
Doesnt stop me from speaking my mind...and YES...this means idiots like yourself do get called as such in RL.
What are they going to do? Hit me? So...if they are big/strong enough to drop me at 185ish, then chances are they will break one of my bones striking me. Not like I dont live in pain anyways. Just be more vicodins for that month, and a possible law suit. Bonus if it happens in a place of business.
So what was that you were saying? Friggen putz...or better yet should I say RL CareBear? Just cause you cower at your own shadow doesnt mean others do.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
However, if you're only just starting a game, it tends to put people off playing when they constantly get killed by other people while trying to level.
So IMO, PKing is needed, but there has to be level limitations, in order to let the new players enjoy the game peacefully, before it completely corrupts them
The human nature is to seek to dominate, there's no fun in dominating a useless static AI. I believe that once MMOs learn to make AI that makes it hard to know if you are being attacked by a player or an AI, PKing wont be as important to people anymore.
Logically the title of this thread makes no sense. Why is it needed? 1.Its not needed to make the game functional. Non PVP games exist on earth 2. Its not needed to make the game sellable. Actually many games with very little PVP sells. 3. Its not needed to make a game "great". History suggest that many game developers scale back their PVP content. 4. Its not needed to make a game "popular". There is no proof that the PVP oriented player population amounts to a majority by any counting. 5. It is needed to satisty some vocal advocates, yes players like the OP. So the title of the thread should be, PVP is needed in any MMORPG for me. OK, no dispute. But thats for you, and what you want, I hardly care. For me, PVP is not needed. All I want is a game that I fall in love and would dream about after I fall asleep. Why must I restrict the creativity of the developers. Let them come up with any new idea on gameplay, to try to capture my hard earned money. PVP or whatever, that is the business of the developers. All I need to do is decide when to subscribe or take on a trial.
to begin with, the whole PK thing is getting old. PK as in Player Killer gives the allusion of a high level killing a low level for absolutely no reason. or for "fun". but for its sake lets call it PvP (since its a term better suited, player versus player)
there in lies the problem. making it an FFA PVP you give the chance to players to kill other players anywhere, anytime. thus comes the "power behind monitor screen" where the attitude of "i can kill you because i can" is the only thing that FFA system allows for, hence you end up having a high level killing a lvl 10 just because he can and makes him feel powerful and superior (psychologically giving him a thrill because in RL he may be at the bottom of the food chain.
solutions have been suggested here such as "darkfall" where there is no way of knowing your levels/skills/powers, which might make the attacker think 2x before attempting to kill you. or having consequences like jail or death penalty. but in my opinion there not lies the solution.
it lies in the motive. for what reason should a player attack another? is it actually worth it attacking x player? the perfect example i would say has to be from EVE online. when a pirate corp attacks a vessel in 00 space, it will think about 3 things 1) is it a threat to me? 2) is he a corporation enemy? and if both those of them are a "no" 3) is it actually worth the resources to make the kill? (ammunition costs in that game)
now if we add "motive" AND " consequence" you will decrease significantly the grieffing. but that needs to be added only if you actually have the following conditions, else it just becomes total chaos
1. player run economy (not loot based)
2. permanent item decay (ease to replace any item lost due to decay or "stolen")
3. mining resources system
4. safe-zones (towns/outposts/regions)
on a side note, SWG (pre-cu) introduced a PvP/PvE system that in y opinion was a brilliant mix between PvP and PvE. where you had Overt and Covert status, on top of that you had TEF (temporary enemy flag) which let anyone not interested in PvP still participate in the faction wars (galactic civil war, rebels vs imperials) you could be an imperial and remain in covert status and you would not get attacked by any opposing faction, unless you initiate an attack (NPC or PC) in which case you got a TEF (meaning overt status) for x amount of time.
so to the OP, no. PK is NOT needed in any MMORPG. only the ones that haver certain criteria which will make an open PvP system work. and even then...might not work depending on the style of game.
P.S. my keyboard's letter "M" does not always work so please excuse me if there is one, two or five missing in the text, i tried to catch as many as i could.
PvP will always take more skill than PvE IMO. In a fair PvP fight your opponent is unpredictable, unlike the computer. To me World PvP never gets old... Unlike PvE which is basically the same thing over and over. When someone spews/cries that they hate being ganked or PvP... It's cause they're use to playing kiddy games or their games are on easy mode.
These people who cry about PvP remind me of THAT kid who would throw his game controller w/e he lost.
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
No matter what we try to say, you will always insult and wanne have last word and generalise all pvp oriented as the same, but np calling us stupid or pricesless idiots say more about you then us.
Learn to read and analise it first before jump to conclusions, and insults dont bother me, you are some nameless meatsack, somewhere save behind his pc and think he is so tough calling others idiot's:P
Try to growup a litlle and wise up, your not there yet but if you try hard who knows maybe someday you can reply a little more mature:)
I hope English is a 2nd language for you.
There your ignorant arse goes again. You throw "carebear" out...which happens to be a deragatory term for those that dont enjoy PvP...yet whine when you get less than friendly replys.
Hypocrit much do we?
I am the internet tuff guy? Really?
I dont have the need to corpse camp folks to get my jollies on. I dont have the need to go onto forums, and call folks "carebear" either. Here is a clue for your ignorant arse....calling folks "carebear" isnt trying to get along with others.
You should really look into the mirror before making claims that do not apply. Or better yet, STFU next time the subject is brought up. Throwing insults, and not expecting a reply, is about the most simple-minded thing I have heard of in quite a while.
There isnt a thing I say on these brds I wouldnt say in RL. Why? Well it isnt cause I am Chuck Norris...quite the contrary...I am on disability with muscle/bone problems from steriod use over a 20 plus yr span. Will be 40 next month, and walk like I am 80 from the damage done to my system.
Doesnt stop me from speaking my mind...and YES...this means idiots like yourself do get called as such in RL.
What are they going to do? Hit me? So...if they are big/strong enough to drop me at 185ish, then chances are they will break one of my bones striking me. Not like I dont live in pain anyways. Just be more vicodins for that month, and a possible law suit. Bonus if it happens in a place of business.
So what was that you were saying? Friggen putz...or better yet should I say RL CareBear? Just cause you cower at your own shadow doesnt mean others do.
First of all ive not throw in any insult towards you i reply to your childish insults, and becouse your handicap you seem to be claiming, you think you can say anything you want to others?
But i leave at that, you obviously are not yet so far to approach this as adult, almost 40 years hey hmm i would never have guessed well have fun with wahtever you do, not reply anymore to likes of you who only purpose on forums is to insult others and wanne be right all the time, its sad but maybe you learn some day some social skills?
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
OP is quite obviously an idiot. He begs for a special PVP that will be entirely one-sided for him and result in better loot than a mob fight. Now that my friends is one lazy and far from elite player. Strikes me totally as the type of person who would but a max-level character off E-bay just so he has basically nothing to fear from day 1. That's not "skill" that's just being in a turkey shoot.
You want scared for you life and skill just entire a mob area, where you can just barely take on a 1 on 1 fight, and place that mob close to others that may link. But of course that is not what he is looking for. He doesn't want a fight he could lose. He wants a guaranteed kill. Sad really. Seems like the bully in grade school who wondered why no one would play with him.
PK is make yourself able to attack the other player, however, since the PK mode is usually toggle on and off so I think PK only happened on player's free selection.
PVP is different. When you enter into an enemy zone, then you have to confront the other player.
So I think PK is a small scale of player vs player feature and PVP is full scale.
It all depends on each game. ie, WOW is a full scale PVP game so there is no need to have PK feature.
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These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
LOL .. luckily almost no developer is listening to your silly ideas.
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
I wonder why "some rare few" PVE'ers think pvpers are begging for them to please come play our MMO as if our game is empty? EVE is what about 250k with over 40,000 concurrent players online. With that many prey online you think we need for some player to come into the community, get killed one time, then campaign for a fractured server with different rule sets?
No, I want for EVE to always remain 1 server. So trust this- pkers are not begging carebears to come play. We enjoy the company of like minded individuals in our MMOs that way our way of life does not get 'dumbed' down or ruined.
Had to re-read because this thread been around for so long. Hm, like I said before I agree but I also understand some players dont want to be bothered with PKs.
As long as they get their own games and we get ours I'm fine. We're getting plenty of love I think these days on the PK front. And there is always FPS if I need some twitch
I do hope for MMOFPS one day that lacks -RPG elements altogether. Just some minor progression like FPS games have now will be fine for me. No roleplay, just 24/7 murder show
Had to re-read because this thread been around for so long. Hm, like I said before I agree but I also understand some players dont want to be bothered with PKs.
As long as they get their own games and we get ours I'm fine. We're getting plenty of love I think these days on the PK front. And there is always FPS if I need some twitch
I do hope for MMOFPS one day that lacks -RPG elements altogether. Just some minor progression like FPS games have now will be fine for me. No roleplay, just 24/7 murder show
I thought that is what counter strike and halo is for?
Had to re-read because this thread been around for so long. Hm, like I said before I agree but I also understand some players dont want to be bothered with PKs.
As long as they get their own games and we get ours I'm fine. We're getting plenty of love I think these days on the PK front. And there is always FPS if I need some twitch
I do hope for MMOFPS one day that lacks -RPG elements altogether. Just some minor progression like FPS games have now will be fine for me. No roleplay, just 24/7 murder show
I thought that is what counter strike and halo is for?
FPS games lack persistence.
An MMOFPS should be like EVE Online but rather then have time based training and auto-attack we can use our player skill.
HAHAHAAHAHAAAaAAaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The delusion is strong in this one.
Go ask Blizzard how much not having pk has hurt them.
The IWinButtonEmoRetardedCarebearEasymodeSitbackAndLetTheGamePlayItselfLoser Is Very Strong in this one!
WoWFanboi has spoken eh?
You are too young to understand, but all you want to do is spurt nonsense which you have no clue about.
Too bad you are under 18, Your dad can beat your ass for me! Retarded bigmouth!
Nobody is perfect...My name is Nobody
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
No matter what we try to say, you will always insult and wanne have last word and generalise all pvp oriented as the same, but np calling us stupid or pricesless idiots say more about you then us.
Learn to read and analise it first before jump to conclusions, and insults dont bother me, you are some nameless meatsack, somewhere save behind his pc and think he is so tough calling others idiot's:P
Try to growup a litlle and wise up, your not there yet but if you try hard who knows maybe someday you can reply a little more mature:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Isn't that the other way around with all the pkers bitching & moaning about not enough MMOs have PK?
Eve needs the PvEers to expand its business a lot MORE than PvEers need Eve. There are plenty of PvE-centric games out there.
Isn't that the other way around with all the pkers bitching & moaning about not enough MMOs have PK?
Eve needs the PvEers to expand its business a lot MORE than PvEers need Eve. There are plenty of PvE-centric games out there.
Hm, not really most pve'ers that play EVE in my experience are open to pvp. They have to be, because they be killed anytime they undock (literally)
Bah narusselsen made me do something hate doing and that is misrepresent EVE Online. It is true there is no safe zones in normal MMO speak. But there are 'safer' zones. I unfortunately cannot properly explain EVE Online it is truly complex. All I can say is that obviously, many pve'ers have a long lifespan. I've never been killed in high sec myself and I've been playing for close to a year.
It's a game for everyone and it cannot be properly summed up in a post.
?Unfortunately not all players are attracted to being in space. However, I come here to mmorpg.com almost every morning before I go to work. This is the only pvp thread I can recall reading in many, many weeks.
I do not think pvpers are moaning and crying? If they are, well I dont blame them only EVE Online has meaningful pvp and battles and persistent wars that end (that is a current MMO with current graphics)
I just thought id throw in some facts here.
1. If OP is really 16 now, then he would have been 6 in UO (at least in the decent pk time period)
2. OP's kill count in his sig is impossible.
3. Raph koster is designer dragon UO's lead dev, he worked on SWG. He considers UOs freedom a failure because he did not forsee people wanting to grief each other.
4. Tom chilton is Evocare the UO lead dev that destroyed UO's pvp and produced age of shadows. He is also kaigan developer for world of warcraft. Blizzard considers him their PvP Guru (laugh).
5. Why are people bringing up player counts. The number of people with a computer has infinitely increased since the late 90's.
That being said I am a fan of open PK. I do not think the games or the people are ready for open PK to come back. In Ultima Online it was not uncommon for a player to fight another player 1on1 and not run away even though he could lose all of his gear. In World of Warcraft people run constantly and won't come back until they have a whole gang to back them up even though they would have lost nothing upon death.
In WoW I enter a battlegrounds and do my very best to win while my allies sit at stables and brag about afking.
Its a different breed of games for a different breed of players.
Carebears.
Nope, I can roleplay a dwarf who likes to get drunk and kill wolves all day long. So again, you fail.
you miss my point. pk are ROLEPLAYING the murderers and criminals in the games society. so therefore we are also roleplaying. when people get rid of pk they are getting rid of the freedom of roleplaying.
So, if you roleplay a criminal or murderer, you won't get annoyed when npc's catch you, lock you in prison for several years, and force you, through a clause in the games EULA, to pay the subscription, even though gameplay from that point onwards involves staring through a window in your virtual cell, watching all the "carebares" having fun, while you, Mr Menace to Society, sits there, trapped, with a fat man who loves you in a "special" way.
You talk about people getting rid of PK, and taking away your freedom, but murdurers and criminals have their freedom taken away and get put in prison, thats what roleplaying a scumbag gets you!
These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
No matter what we try to say, you will always insult and wanne have last word and generalise all pvp oriented as the same, but np calling us stupid or pricesless idiots say more about you then us.
Learn to read and analise it first before jump to conclusions, and insults dont bother me, you are some nameless meatsack, somewhere save behind his pc and think he is so tough calling others idiot's:P
Try to growup a litlle and wise up, your not there yet but if you try hard who knows maybe someday you can reply a little more mature:)
I hope English is a 2nd language for you.
There your ignorant arse goes again. You throw "carebear" out...which happens to be a deragatory term for those that dont enjoy PvP...yet whine when you get less than friendly replys.
Hypocrit much do we?
I am the internet tuff guy? Really?
I dont have the need to corpse camp folks to get my jollies on. I dont have the need to go onto forums, and call folks "carebear" either. Here is a clue for your ignorant arse....calling folks "carebear" isnt trying to get along with others.
You should really look into the mirror before making claims that do not apply. Or better yet, STFU next time the subject is brought up. Throwing insults, and not expecting a reply, is about the most simple-minded thing I have heard of in quite a while.
There isnt a thing I say on these brds I wouldnt say in RL. Why? Well it isnt cause I am Chuck Norris...quite the contrary...I am on disability with muscle/bone problems from steriod use over a 20 plus yr span. Will be 40 next month, and walk like I am 80 from the damage done to my system.
Doesnt stop me from speaking my mind...and YES...this means idiots like yourself do get called as such in RL.
What are they going to do? Hit me? So...if they are big/strong enough to drop me at 185ish, then chances are they will break one of my bones striking me. Not like I dont live in pain anyways. Just be more vicodins for that month, and a possible law suit. Bonus if it happens in a place of business.
So what was that you were saying? Friggen putz...or better yet should I say RL CareBear? Just cause you cower at your own shadow doesnt mean others do.
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PKing is fun if you're a high enough level.
However, if you're only just starting a game, it tends to put people off playing when they constantly get killed by other people while trying to level.
So IMO, PKing is needed, but there has to be level limitations, in order to let the new players enjoy the game peacefully, before it completely corrupts them
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The human nature is to seek to dominate, there's no fun in dominating a useless static AI. I believe that once MMOs learn to make AI that makes it hard to know if you are being attacked by a player or an AI, PKing wont be as important to people anymore.
to begin with, the whole PK thing is getting old. PK as in Player Killer gives the allusion of a high level killing a low level for absolutely no reason. or for "fun". but for its sake lets call it PvP (since its a term better suited, player versus player)
there in lies the problem. making it an FFA PVP you give the chance to players to kill other players anywhere, anytime. thus comes the "power behind monitor screen" where the attitude of "i can kill you because i can" is the only thing that FFA system allows for, hence you end up having a high level killing a lvl 10 just because he can and makes him feel powerful and superior (psychologically giving him a thrill because in RL he may be at the bottom of the food chain.
solutions have been suggested here such as "darkfall" where there is no way of knowing your levels/skills/powers, which might make the attacker think 2x before attempting to kill you. or having consequences like jail or death penalty. but in my opinion there not lies the solution.
it lies in the motive. for what reason should a player attack another? is it actually worth it attacking x player? the perfect example i would say has to be from EVE online. when a pirate corp attacks a vessel in 00 space, it will think about 3 things 1) is it a threat to me? 2) is he a corporation enemy? and if both those of them are a "no" 3) is it actually worth the resources to make the kill? (ammunition costs in that game)
now if we add "motive" AND " consequence" you will decrease significantly the grieffing. but that needs to be added only if you actually have the following conditions, else it just becomes total chaos
1. player run economy (not loot based)
2. permanent item decay (ease to replace any item lost due to decay or "stolen")
3. mining resources system
4. safe-zones (towns/outposts/regions)
on a side note, SWG (pre-cu) introduced a PvP/PvE system that in y opinion was a brilliant mix between PvP and PvE. where you had Overt and Covert status, on top of that you had TEF (temporary enemy flag) which let anyone not interested in PvP still participate in the faction wars (galactic civil war, rebels vs imperials) you could be an imperial and remain in covert status and you would not get attacked by any opposing faction, unless you initiate an attack (NPC or PC) in which case you got a TEF (meaning overt status) for x amount of time.
so to the OP, no. PK is NOT needed in any MMORPG. only the ones that haver certain criteria which will make an open PvP system work. and even then...might not work depending on the style of game.
P.S. my keyboard's letter "M" does not always work so please excuse me if there is one, two or five missing in the text, i tried to catch as many as i could.
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These types of posts crack me up....
Yep...I dont have the reflexes of a 15 yr old anymore. Nor do I have the immaturity of one either.
If you would meet up with one of these "kids"(and that is putting it loosely...as some adults act the same way), and they would fight ya...then move on...hey NP.
But it doesnt work like that does it?
Corpse camping is considered "fun" to them.
I never played on a PvP server, and once I saw on brds what they were about, I was positive I never would either.
Granted I have seen posts by some PvP folks that I would deem "honorable" about it. There are just too many though that are the exact opposite. YOu typically can tell the ones...they are the first to throw all the "carebear" or whatever insults.
I may very well be a carebear....but it is a million times better than being a putz that spends their time griefing others, in an attempt to bolster their self-esteem.
The best part is these idiots cannot understand why most folks are not interested in sharing a server with em.
Truly priceless.
This post crack me up:P
You judge something you never have played?
Its obvious you never experience open pvp.
The reflex you maybe lack can be compensated by smart play more patience more relax playing style then 15 year olds have.
Why you care if your called a carebear? , you never played on a pvp server, your not intrested in pvp so why you care?
Its million times better for you, but not for pvp oriented players then its opposite of what you claim.
For each his own i say.
Sure some enjoy grief others or for self esteem, but its only game its only avatar you play in a computer game.
Or is playing games so importend to you?, you cant handle 15yearolds?, you hurt your adult feelings?
But why this post crack me up is you try convince us you are an adult you see yourself much better then all those 15 year old pvp oriented players, but start calling them idiots, if you have anything learned as adult you should be able to stand above this, act like a wise adult and dont start judge or calling others idiots:).
Chill or relax more, its only a computer game, have fun with your pve game:)
Psst
What is the OP about?
It is about PK being needed in any MMORPG. That is why I responded.
Dont start judging? Act like wise adult?
I am acting like a wise adult...I avoid chit that obviously wont appeal to me.
As far as judging/namecalling...he who lives in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks.
"Becouse your a carebear, you dont like pvp, so dont play open pvp games, other wise dont whine about it."
Your words...not mine. Typical for a PvP drone.
You know everything...or at least you think you do. You may insult others...but dont let anything negative be reflected back upon ya... else ya whine.
Sound familiar?
But lets not forget the best part of all this...it is YOU THE PVP FOLKS that are begging for more people to PvP. It isnt the other way around.
You idiots are priceless. Insult the ones you are begging to come play a game that they will be griefed in.
Stupidity at its finest.
No matter what we try to say, you will always insult and wanne have last word and generalise all pvp oriented as the same, but np calling us stupid or pricesless idiots say more about you then us.
Learn to read and analise it first before jump to conclusions, and insults dont bother me, you are some nameless meatsack, somewhere save behind his pc and think he is so tough calling others idiot's:P
Try to growup a litlle and wise up, your not there yet but if you try hard who knows maybe someday you can reply a little more mature:)
I hope English is a 2nd language for you.
There your ignorant arse goes again. You throw "carebear" out...which happens to be a deragatory term for those that dont enjoy PvP...yet whine when you get less than friendly replys.
Hypocrit much do we?
I am the internet tuff guy? Really?
I dont have the need to corpse camp folks to get my jollies on. I dont have the need to go onto forums, and call folks "carebear" either. Here is a clue for your ignorant arse....calling folks "carebear" isnt trying to get along with others.
You should really look into the mirror before making claims that do not apply. Or better yet, STFU next time the subject is brought up. Throwing insults, and not expecting a reply, is about the most simple-minded thing I have heard of in quite a while.
There isnt a thing I say on these brds I wouldnt say in RL. Why? Well it isnt cause I am Chuck Norris...quite the contrary...I am on disability with muscle/bone problems from steriod use over a 20 plus yr span. Will be 40 next month, and walk like I am 80 from the damage done to my system.
Doesnt stop me from speaking my mind...and YES...this means idiots like yourself do get called as such in RL.
What are they going to do? Hit me? So...if they are big/strong enough to drop me at 185ish, then chances are they will break one of my bones striking me. Not like I dont live in pain anyways. Just be more vicodins for that month, and a possible law suit. Bonus if it happens in a place of business.
So what was that you were saying? Friggen putz...or better yet should I say RL CareBear? Just cause you cower at your own shadow doesnt mean others do.
First of all ive not throw in any insult towards you i reply to your childish insults, and becouse your handicap you seem to be claiming, you think you can say anything you want to others?
But i leave at that, you obviously are not yet so far to approach this as adult, almost 40 years hey hmm i would never have guessed well have fun with wahtever you do, not reply anymore to likes of you who only purpose on forums is to insult others and wanne be right all the time, its sad but maybe you learn some day some social skills?
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OP is quite obviously an idiot. He begs for a special PVP that will be entirely one-sided for him and result in better loot than a mob fight. Now that my friends is one lazy and far from elite player. Strikes me totally as the type of person who would but a max-level character off E-bay just so he has basically nothing to fear from day 1. That's not "skill" that's just being in a turkey shoot.
You want scared for you life and skill just entire a mob area, where you can just barely take on a 1 on 1 fight, and place that mob close to others that may link. But of course that is not what he is looking for. He doesn't want a fight he could lose. He wants a guaranteed kill. Sad really. Seems like the bully in grade school who wondered why no one would play with him.
I think PK and PVP are two different things.
PK is make yourself able to attack the other player, however, since the PK mode is usually toggle on and off so I think PK only happened on player's free selection.
PVP is different. When you enter into an enemy zone, then you have to confront the other player.
So I think PK is a small scale of player vs player feature and PVP is full scale.
It all depends on each game. ie, WOW is a full scale PVP game so there is no need to have PK feature.