If the pvp is half as good as they claim it will be (all the RvR, instanced "bg's", and open pvp), then WoW will lose everyone from their pvp servers. The pve players will stay, but no pvper in their right mind can call themselves one and not play Warhammer.
You my friend are right on the money. I still play WoW and enjoy the BG's till my hands start to hurt, but at this point WoW PvP may be in trouble with the release of WAR, at least what I am experiencing in WAR Beta. Maybe with the release of WoW's Lich King Expansion the PvP will get better? I don't know, because I am not in WoW BETA for Lich King.
I also see WAR dipping into Guild Wars Players Base (for those who dont mind to pay for a mmo) as well.
I think WAR will attract more of the PVP MMO veterans and that includes the ones who are playing WoW. I don't think it will bring over the players whos first MMO was WoW. Sure, they may give it a try but will surely go back to the comfort of easy mode and spamming trade chat trying to make comlete sentences by linking their abilities in the chat line. I've been playing MMO's for a verly long time and have been playing with the same people for years as we travel from game to game and I can tell you there is a lot of excitement of WAR's release. Not just because of all the specualtion of how good the game is going to be but going from game to game is part of the MMO culture.
WAR is not going to topple the massive numbers that wow has... BUT WAR will have 3 or 4 million subs within the first year of release and those players will stay (just my oppinion)
i was interested in war but wasnt sure how it would pan out for me till i got into beta.. imo building a game with the best pvp from the ground up is better then building a game with addicting pve from the ground up and pvp as an after-thought(wow)
in the end WAR will win out as time goes on but doesnt really matter cause if you like WoW your gonna play it if you like WAR your going to play it...if you like both your prolly gonna play both
the point is ...Finally there is another "quality" mmo in the market to choose from.
Why does everyone keep saying "WoW killer" about every new game to come out? Why does it even matter? Just play the game you like, and be done with it. Nothing is going to kill WoW anytime soon, and why would you want that game's playerbase to deplete or move on?
I don't think it will "kill" WoW. However I do think that the PvP crowd from WoW that come and give it a shot won't want to go back to WoW. They will probably go back for expansion, but If they enjoy a good PvP battle... well there's just no comparison between the two... at least in my opinion.
WoW won't be killed off completely, I realize that. Right now tho WoW is ripe for a fall.
All a game like Warhammer will have to do is steal customers on multiple servers and the overall foundation of WoW (which is it's players) will begin to crumble.
If Warhammer is the new cool thing to play then there will be a mass exodus off of WoW since WoW has just gotten old and stale.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
Well the only game which will be a WOW killer is WOW 2 and I can't see that happening for aslong as WOW is still popular and selling and you know Blizzard fans never quit. Also WAR will have far less content and far more bugs and the average mmo player will feel like why play WAR when you can play the much better and more polished WOW? WAR is really only going to be for the niche market and will never be popular like WOW, maybe in sales at first but we'll see the AOC effect shortly after. Another problem WAR has is releasing before the WOW expansion so alot of people will leave and go back to WOW and also if the expansion fixes alot of problems people have with PVP like the crap battlegrounds then I can expect the WOW expansions PVP to outshine WAR's.
I can see WAR being popular amoung the best of the rest like EVE and EQ2 etc etc but never get to WOW's standard.
This is a perfect example of a troll WoW fanboy coming to try to hate on WAR. WAR as a niche and small fanbase? Probably the dumbest post in a long long time.
people get tired of playing a hacked up version of the game they once loved and reluctantly let go of that virtual character to try a new one. That is how it is.
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Let this thread die plz getting sick of these wow killer bulshit fiasco's. If you need to know if warhammer is a wow killer to be able to buy the game. Then NOOOO its not a WOW killer. So don't buy it and go whine in wow or something.
Let this thread die plz getting sick of these wow killer bulshit fiasco's. If you need to know if warhammer is a wow killer to be able to buy the game. Then NOOOO its not a WOW killer. So don't buy it and go whine in wow or something.
I beginning to take it as WoW > War so far
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
No single game will be a WoW killer. WAR is the first one with a legit chance at being true competition for WOW though. If you look at just western world players WoW has something like 4-5M, I think WAR can probably retain a good 1M+ if they are stable enough at release.
If you're on the fence I suggest trying it at release. Don't play a game just because it COULD be a 'WoW killer'. There have been a lot of good games that came out after WoW, but none that ould ever kill it. LotRO is a great example. It was supposed to be a WoW killer...wasn't...but turned out to be successful. 10 mil subs doesn't determine if a game is good or not. It's what you like that determines if the game is fun or not.
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"Will WAR have a better overall gaming experience?" Well your question would seem to be based upon personal preference. The answer is different for everyone. Now if we are talking about a "WoW Killer" in terms of population. Honestly, probably not. I'd be extremely surprised to see another mmo hit WoW like world wide populations anytime soon. WoW's release was extremely well timed, imo. The older mmos were getting stale or dated, EQ2 didn't seem very appealing and anything else was extremely niche. WoW not only cashed in on having mass appeal, but the fact that so many bought the game for the Blizzard and Warcraft names alone. WoW brought many new mmorpg gamers into the genre, more so than any other mmorpg. I guess WoW is to MMORPGs as FFVII was to North American RPGs, it just brought a ton of new blood into the genre with a mass appeal. WoW still continues to have that mass appeal too, with the sheer amount of carrot-on-a-stick content to be had, there's always better loot, unique mount, rep to be ground, arena ratings, to be attained. WoW is also PvE centric, which means that folks who are not confrontational by nature will gravitate towards it. Where WAR has the potential to hurt WoW is the pvp population. WoW's pvp is an utter joke. Battlegrounds and World PvP have taken a severe backseat to their overhyped and underdeveloped Arena E-Peen/Sport. Gear and resilience rating play such a vital role in PvP now that any fresh 70, or hell alt in lower tiers, gets completely stomped by folks who have already spent tons of time and money into the system. There isn't a way for a casual player to truly compete in such a system, or even break into the system with any chance for immediate success. It seems Mythic's RvR system was the way to have a "mass" appeal to pvp, as DAoC was the first successful mmorpg to focus on a pvp aspect as endgame. WAR will hopefully continue to cash in on the uniqueness of the RvR system and bring a lot of fun and tactics into pvp again
the only game that will kill WoW is WoW itself ... now i do expect WAR to take a large chunk of WoW's PvPers + a few PvEr's. im guessing WoW will have to merge servers in about 6 months when they figure out how many will not be coming back.
what the hell are you smoking ?
if WAR pulls 1 million people from WoW , Blizzaed will have to merge servers . now what in my post is so wrong ?
Blizz wont even give free transfers to servers that are so low they havent compleete the sunwell thing yet.
WAR wont kill WoW. It get a large following I think easily 1mil and it doesnt have to all come from WoW. I could see this game sitting at 2mil subs by next christmas if they dont screw anything up and imo being in the CB im not worried.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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Let this thread die plz getting sick of these wow killer bulshit fiasco's. If you need to know if warhammer is a wow killer to be able to buy the game. Then NOOOO its not a WOW killer. So don't buy it and go whine in wow or something.
I beginning to take it as WoW > War so far
Ok If you think wow > war then ok I don't give a shit so go whine on wow forums. What are you planning on doing ? Are you actually trying to prove something by doing this? Or is it just me and are you bored of wow and you just want to irritate people by comming to this forum and whine? Cause if you think wow is so great then what the hell are you doing here?
btw wow > war ... could be for you. Not for me! Ever heard of opinions? It has something to do with freewill and all.
Why do you need a wow killer? what does it matter ? Nobody gives a shit. You want attention or something or do you want to hear the words:" You are god we all praise you!" And "You were right ,we all suck by considering warhammer a game we might enjoy."
Well guess what dude. If you get run down by a car or you suddenly just drop dead. You think I would give a shit about you? I pbb won't even know it besides some very very small article in the news paper about someone dieing. Thank god I don't read the newspaper.
AAAHHH that felt good saying that
On a side note: I start considering wow a non-mmo. The hardcore gameplay of an mmo is starting to fade in wow. Everyone gets easy epics, raids are piss easy unless you are a fucking moron. The game is just way to casual now (thats the reason they have such huge sales). Which means HIGH reward for VERY SMALL risk = BORING.
So basicly wow is already dead to me! And to most of the people on this forum.
the only game that will kill WoW is WoW itself ... now i do expect WAR to take a large chunk of WoW's PvPers + a few PvEr's. im guessing WoW will have to merge servers in about 6 months when they figure out how many will not be coming back.
what the hell are you smoking ?
if WAR pulls 1 million people from WoW , Blizzaed will have to merge servers . now what in my post is so wrong ?
Blizz wont even give free transfers to servers that are so low they havent compleete the sunwell thing yet.
WAR wont kill WoW. It get a large following I think easily 1mil and it doesnt have to all come from WoW. I could see this game sitting at 2mil subs by next christmas if they dont screw anything up and imo being in the CB im not worried.
Blizzard= wow killer. Patching is WAY to slow. I mean it took them like 5-6 months for a stupid ass raid dungeon with 6 bosses and a small dungeon with 3 bosses. I don't care if they work on an expansion, that expansion should have been there @ the start of the year.
I mean almost 2 years for 1 expansion = WRONG. People already run trhough most of the content in about 6 months. 1 year for an expansion should be the maximum.
Originally posted by Emotions Blizzard= wow killer. Patching is WAY to slow. I mean it took them like 5-6 months for a stupid ass raid dungeon with 6 bosses and a small dungeon with 3 bosses. I don't care if they work on an expansion, that expansion should have been there @ the start of the year. I mean almost 2 years for 1 expansion = WRONG. People already run trhough most of the content in about 6 months. 1 year for an expansion should be the maximum.
I really don't think wow will die..and if it dies, it kills itself..
why? because most people i know playing wow, aren't really what we can call "real gamers"..and the reason i play wow now, is to play games with people i know in real life.. sence im in reality have the feeling in wow, that i have done it all & seen it all.. but it works great as an secoundary mmo.
and before when i played everquest, i whas called a nerd and looser, by some of the same people who play wow today... and the only reason they play wow, is because they played warcraft 2 & 3 in the old days.
so many of these will go from wow to real life, before they go from wow to war..
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You my friend are right on the money. I still play WoW and enjoy the BG's till my hands start to hurt, but at this point WoW PvP may be in trouble with the release of WAR, at least what I am experiencing in WAR Beta. Maybe with the release of WoW's Lich King Expansion the PvP will get better? I don't know, because I am not in WoW BETA for Lich King.
I also see WAR dipping into Guild Wars Players Base (for those who dont mind to pay for a mmo) as well.
I think WAR will attract more of the PVP MMO veterans and that includes the ones who are playing WoW. I don't think it will bring over the players whos first MMO was WoW. Sure, they may give it a try but will surely go back to the comfort of easy mode and spamming trade chat trying to make comlete sentences by linking their abilities in the chat line. I've been playing MMO's for a verly long time and have been playing with the same people for years as we travel from game to game and I can tell you there is a lot of excitement of WAR's release. Not just because of all the specualtion of how good the game is going to be but going from game to game is part of the MMO culture.
As a beta player... is WAR a WoW killer?
If you love PvP, then the answer is a big YES!!! It's already better in than any MMO out there right now in beta form (in PvP I mean).
If you love Loot and doing scripted instances... then maybe not, but WAR has Public Quest that is just so awesome~
just wanted to get my 2 cents in ..
WAR is not going to topple the massive numbers that wow has... BUT WAR will have 3 or 4 million subs within the first year of release and those players will stay (just my oppinion)
i was interested in war but wasnt sure how it would pan out for me till i got into beta.. imo building a game with the best pvp from the ground up is better then building a game with addicting pve from the ground up and pvp as an after-thought(wow)
in the end WAR will win out as time goes on but doesnt really matter cause if you like WoW your gonna play it if you like WAR your going to play it...if you like both your prolly gonna play both
the point is ...Finally there is another "quality" mmo in the market to choose from.
Why does everyone keep saying "WoW killer" about every new game to come out? Why does it even matter? Just play the game you like, and be done with it. Nothing is going to kill WoW anytime soon, and why would you want that game's playerbase to deplete or move on?
I don't think it will "kill" WoW. However I do think that the PvP crowd from WoW that come and give it a shot won't want to go back to WoW. They will probably go back for expansion, but If they enjoy a good PvP battle... well there's just no comparison between the two... at least in my opinion.
In fact now that I think on it, the casual players will love the game as well. Public quests are awesome.
Here's my take on it...
If you compare WoW to WAR based on Revenue and raw profit, WoW will win.
Now, if WAR turns a profit, I think it will be considered a success.
It is my belief that each game unto itself will be a success.
I'd say more, but NDA.
WoW won't be killed off completely, I realize that. Right now tho WoW is ripe for a fall.
All a game like Warhammer will have to do is steal customers on multiple servers and the overall foundation of WoW (which is it's players) will begin to crumble.
If Warhammer is the new cool thing to play then there will be a mass exodus off of WoW since WoW has just gotten old and stale.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
This is a perfect example of a troll WoW fanboy coming to try to hate on WAR. WAR as a niche and small fanbase? Probably the dumbest post in a long long time.
yep.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Let this thread die plz getting sick of these wow killer bulshit fiasco's. If you need to know if warhammer is a wow killer to be able to buy the game. Then NOOOO its not a WOW killer. So don't buy it and go whine in wow or something.
I beginning to take it as WoW > War so far
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
No single game will be a WoW killer. WAR is the first one with a legit chance at being true competition for WOW though. If you look at just western world players WoW has something like 4-5M, I think WAR can probably retain a good 1M+ if they are stable enough at release.
That's like asking will Metallica be a Britney Spears killer.
It's two different groups of people. Lets the 12 year old girls keep their WoW.
ehhh that's kind of a stretch. Two different groups really? hmm
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
If you're on the fence I suggest trying it at release. Don't play a game just because it COULD be a 'WoW killer'. There have been a lot of good games that came out after WoW, but none that ould ever kill it. LotRO is a great example. It was supposed to be a WoW killer...wasn't...but turned out to be successful. 10 mil subs doesn't determine if a game is good or not. It's what you like that determines if the game is fun or not.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
No, the WoW killer is going to be KOTOR 3.
Wow at first was focused on the PvE and WAR is focused on the RvR.Its the same spaghetti but a different sauce.
Fantastic answer. Totally agree.
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what the hell are you smoking ?
if WAR pulls 1 million people from WoW , Blizzaed will have to merge servers . now what in my post is so wrong ?
Blizz wont even give free transfers to servers that are so low they havent compleete the sunwell thing yet.
WAR wont kill WoW. It get a large following I think easily 1mil and it doesnt have to all come from WoW. I could see this game sitting at 2mil subs by next christmas if they dont screw anything up and imo being in the CB im not worried.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD
I beginning to take it as WoW > War so far
Ok If you think wow > war then ok I don't give a shit so go whine on wow forums. What are you planning on doing ? Are you actually trying to prove something by doing this? Or is it just me and are you bored of wow and you just want to irritate people by comming to this forum and whine? Cause if you think wow is so great then what the hell are you doing here?
btw wow > war ... could be for you. Not for me! Ever heard of opinions? It has something to do with freewill and all.
Why do you need a wow killer? what does it matter ? Nobody gives a shit. You want attention or something or do you want to hear the words:" You are god we all praise you!" And "You were right ,we all suck by considering warhammer a game we might enjoy."
Well guess what dude. If you get run down by a car or you suddenly just drop dead. You think I would give a shit about you? I pbb won't even know it besides some very very small article in the news paper about someone dieing. Thank god I don't read the newspaper.
AAAHHH that felt good saying that
On a side note: I start considering wow a non-mmo. The hardcore gameplay of an mmo is starting to fade in wow. Everyone gets easy epics, raids are piss easy unless you are a fucking moron. The game is just way to casual now (thats the reason they have such huge sales). Which means HIGH reward for VERY SMALL risk = BORING.
So basicly wow is already dead to me! And to most of the people on this forum.
what the hell are you smoking ?
if WAR pulls 1 million people from WoW , Blizzaed will have to merge servers . now what in my post is so wrong ?
Blizz wont even give free transfers to servers that are so low they havent compleete the sunwell thing yet.
WAR wont kill WoW. It get a large following I think easily 1mil and it doesnt have to all come from WoW. I could see this game sitting at 2mil subs by next christmas if they dont screw anything up and imo being in the CB im not worried.
Blizzard= wow killer. Patching is WAY to slow. I mean it took them like 5-6 months for a stupid ass raid dungeon with 6 bosses and a small dungeon with 3 bosses. I don't care if they work on an expansion, that expansion should have been there @ the start of the year.
I mean almost 2 years for 1 expansion = WRONG. People already run trhough most of the content in about 6 months. 1 year for an expansion should be the maximum.
I guess you never played other Blizzard titles.
WoW is as good as dead!
I really don't think wow will die..and if it dies, it kills itself..
why? because most people i know playing wow, aren't really what we can call "real gamers"..and the reason i play wow now, is to play games with people i know in real life.. sence im in reality have the feeling in wow, that i have done it all & seen it all.. but it works great as an secoundary mmo.
and before when i played everquest, i whas called a nerd and looser, by some of the same people who play wow today... and the only reason they play wow, is because they played warcraft 2 & 3 in the old days.
so many of these will go from wow to real life, before they go from wow to war..
Me on the outher hand, is surly gonna play WAR
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