I'm glad that DRM pisses you guys off. I'm freaking happy that you guys are whinning and feel forced to buy the game. I'm seriously supporting that and I have ZERO problem enduring these softwares in order to make your lives miserable. Perhaps one day, people will understand that games don’t grow on tree. It’s like an insect that keeps eating your crops. At first your bug killer works but eventually, they will adapt.. then you have to find something more harsh. What else should Maxis and EA do to block the piracy? I work in the gaming and music industry and I don't know myself... so if you know, then let's hear it right now.
Simple fact you seem to have missed. This DRM does NOTHING to stop or even hinder piracy.
There was a Hacked (DRM free) pirate version released on the 4th? Before the game was even out in the UK/US. It's exactly the same as happened with Bioshock, which used the exact same DRM 'protection'.
The ONLY people this 'protection' affects are the law abiding gamers who PAY for the game.
EDIT:
EA lost THREE sales here as I would have purchased a copy for my wife, one for my daughter and another for myself...up until I found out it had DRM. I will NOT support developers blind and idiotic approach to sales (protection).
I'm a developer myself and I'd never consider ANY form of protection which hindered a paying customer over a pirate.
Originally posted by Ponico I'm glad that DRM pisses you guys off. I'm freaking happy that you guys are whinning and feel forced to buy the game. I'm seriously supporting that and I have ZERO problem enduring these softwares in order to make your lives miserable. Perhaps one day, people will understand that games dont grow on tree. Its like an insect that keeps eating your crops. At first your bug killer works but eventually, they will adapt.. then you have to find something more harsh. What else should Maxis and EA do to block the piracy? I work in the gaming and music industry and I don't know myself... so if you know, then let's hear it right now.
Wow, you really don't get it. People who would have bought the game are pirating it, because the don't want that full system access, non removable, always running, virus on their machine.
I'm glad that DRM pisses you guys off. I'm freaking happy that you guys are whinning and feel forced to buy the game. I'm seriously supporting that and I have ZERO problem enduring these softwares in order to make your lives miserable. Perhaps one day, people will understand that games don’t grow on tree. It’s like an insect that keeps eating your crops. At first your bug killer works but eventually, they will adapt.. then you have to find something more harsh. What else should Maxis and EA do to block the piracy? I work in the gaming and music industry and I don't know myself... so if you know, then let's hear it right now.
I only know I'm not going to pay a dime to play that game.
I don't think spore is going to be a good game. Does anybody remember black and white? It was a great concept but the game just wasn't as fun as we all thought it would be. But the concept was AWESOME. Who doesn't want to control a big hero and pretend to be a god, and train your hero to be just like you?
I mean it was fun for about 3 or 4 levels, and then you're like IS THIS IT?
I think thats the way spore will be, because it will be fun going through all the stages and playing the game. But once we get into the UFO and realize, wow, what was the point of making this creature? All the missions are going to be like, capture this creature and breed a new civilization. Or place obelisk here and watch these creatures develop, or inhabit this planet. I don't think there will be the sense of victory or accompllishment whenever everything is all said and done. OH WELL someone prove me wrong please.
When you steal something, you leave the place in a company's mind where things actually matter. You go from being a customer to a thief, and it's really hard to go back. The thieves are not why these folks make games... the customers are.
I haven't bought it, I haven't played it, I haven't stolen it, and I'm not going to do any of those things. A game less advanced than Civilization wrapped with a tool to make your own buildings doesn't appeal to me all that much. The idea seemed interesting way back in the day, but now that I understand how the systems work I'm not going to buy in. Just won't. The DRM is a good reason, too; DRM is garbage, and these folks treating their customers like criminals is going to get their reasonable, non-thieving customers to -leave-. I won't steal, and I won't buy games that are bundled with crippling malware. I understand all too well what's going to happen when the activation servers go down.
I returned Doom 3 when I was told by their tech support that they couldn't -make- their activation ignore my perfectly legit, legally-bought disk mounting software, and that I would have to uninstall it and stop being a dirty thief. I haven't bought anything id makes since, and I won't. I don't like to be told I'm a thief.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I'm glad I read this before I bought Spore. After the debacle that was Starforce I refuse to buy any game that has some sort of spyware on it. Yes, its spyware. What is else? It spies on you to make sure you're being good. Anyways, it took a week after buing Spellforce 2 to even play do to this "protection spyware". No thanks, schmucks.
The people defending DRM really deserve a bat in the face, seriously.
Some of you don't really seem to get the picture. They won't stop and it will continue to get worse unless gamers start speaking up about this BS.
You settle for BS, that's what you're gonna get fed, every time. Has nothing to do with people not having jobs and all that jazz. It's about setting a line, ya know, how like most of you supporting this DRM BS are probably the same ones complaining about no really good, revolutionary games in the market.
Well if you settle for the BS games, then that is what developers are gonna keep making, BS.
And the DRM defenders with the hundreds of posts are effin funny. How is it that posters with so many posts, who has appeared to have discussed gaming for a considerable length of time not see the problem in this DRM business. Especially for the future of gaming.
Your reasoning reminds me of this line I once read.."Yes ladies and gentlemen, buy your oxygen here for only $1.00" while the "thief" down the block is breathing his for free.
Some of you are little kids who's mommy and daddy can just buy you a new pc every year so you really have no clue on what this means for the rest of us who has made it a art to maintain our computers, and knows what kind of BS does NOT belong on our pc.
Alright.. I get it that it has a virus in it. Could someone please tell me the name of the virus file so I can get rid of it?
Also.. Someone earlier mentioned something about not buying Mass Effect because of the same issue.. Are there more games that use this secruom thing? If they do could you tell me what they are, because I download almost any comp game that interests me.
For all you people who have downloaded the hacked version, how do you know that the hacked version doesn't have some severely invasive trojan/keylogging application built in?
Do you trust software pirates more than you trust EA?
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Im playing spore and im having fun with it.Im having more fun with it than any mmo released in the last 5 years.
I hear all the talk about piracy and DRM.
Dont care 1 bit about it and yes ive read up on it and im well informed on the subject.
Ive registered my game with EA and i access a server every time i play.It logs in everytime i play takes a total of 30 seconds to boot up and log in automatically.
Ive seen some mmo's take 10 minutes or longer to do the same thing.
A pirated copy?
I dont think i would touch that with a 100' pole.Yeah let me download a free copy from a website that actively breaks the law.No virus there right?
The whole point of accessing the server is for player created content.By having a pirated copy you opt out of that.The point of the game is to have tools to create a game that YOU create and share it.
Im not buying a pirated copy of anything.If you people think a pirated copy of software is safe for your computer or even if you think your putting 1 over on EA your being naive.
Lets say EA has enough of it and starts going after people who have this on their system.Blizzard has gone after gold farmers and NCSOFT has gone after pirated L2 servers right?
Do you have enough money to afford the risk of this not happening?
Im not willing to take that risk and if you arent either then just dont download it or play it.
Ow god what is it with you people, all whining about some background application.
If you're so scared that your pc might send vital privat information to other sources then just get a fucking job and buy your games, get a girlfriend and stop downloading whatever p0rn that turns you on, stop searching for hacks or try to make them, etc etc.
I have no idea why you people are so scared, what the hell do I care if information is send from my PC to somewhere, I have nothing to hide.
And to be honest most games have applications like DRM.
Everytime you install a game wich says, please shut down the virusscanner before installing, will install a similar program to your pc.
So I really don't care, and what's there to bother, they don't mention it in the manual nor in the application itself, so there is no way they could ever sue you for whatever reason ever. And most of the time those programs are just there to automaticly submit bug reports and your system specifications.
Nothing more, nothing less. So stop complaining about these things, and just enjoy the freaking games.
Wrong. Virus scanners will often block games that lookup the game servers for downloads or connecting to play. They are not running other such types of security snoop applications with those games. DRM and SecurRom are a intrusion spyware type programs. Not really a program as you can't run them when you want but a set of data instructions embeded into a game and OS registry.
People here don't realize what danger they are in with these spyware intrusion applications. Firstly I use to hack many games and upload data to websites for people on my free time, mostly no cd and emulators. Lets talk about what this DRM really does in encrypted form.
Decrypt that message above on what DRM is doing. I can't go into much detail about how to remove it once installed here on this forum but I can assure you while these snoop applications are installed they are sending back your personal information on where you been what your playing and when. If you download anything illegal or look up information that matches a embedded phrase such as torrent hack etc; it will take that info and send it in a encrypted form back to the game company.
They use this info along with your stored ip address to gather information about various things. How often you may play when and if you cheat the game. Along with several government organizations they are bringing in more advanced spyware which you unknowingly install to gather information from you. They are spying on you and your personal information is being used.
Be afraid within the next few years when they start knocking on your doors. This is an age of piracy and they are willing to do anything to stop it, even if it means harming the innocent. Thank you Metallica for starting all this crap.
I'm glad that DRM pisses you guys off. I'm freaking happy that you guys are whinning and feel forced to buy the game. The DRM pisses me off, and it made me NOT buy this game. First game in several years that I wanted to buy, but didn't buy. All of that because of the DRM. And no, I didn't download a pirated version either. The game is just going anywhere near my HD in any shape or form. What else should Maxis and EA do to block the piracy? I work in the gaming and music industry and I don't know myself... so if you know, then let's hear it right now. The big mistake companies make is to fight pirates/hackers on their own turf: technically. You can't ever win, whatever you do. What you can do is fight back on your own terms: legally.
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Playing: Final Fantasy Online: ARR, Destiny Most memorable games for me: UO, GW1, LoTRO
The people defending DRM really deserve a bat in the face, seriously. Some of you don't really seem to get the picture. They won't stop and it will continue to get worse unless gamers start speaking up about this BS. You settle for BS, that's what you're gonna get fed, every time. Has nothing to do with people not having jobs and all that jazz. It's about setting a line, ya know, how like most of you supporting this DRM BS are probably the same ones complaining about no really good, revolutionary games in the market. Well if you settle for the BS games, then that is what developers are gonna keep making, BS. And the DRM defenders with the hundreds of posts are effin funny. How is it that posters with so many posts, who has appeared to have discussed gaming for a considerable length of time not see the problem in this DRM business. Especially for the future of gaming. Your reasoning reminds me of this line I once read.."Yes ladies and gentlemen, buy your oxygen here for only $1.00" while the "thief" down the block is breathing his for free. Some of you are little kids who's mommy and daddy can just buy you a new pc every year so you really have no clue on what this means for the rest of us who has made it a art to maintain our computers, and knows what kind of BS does NOT belong on our pc. That's my idiotic post for the month, good day.
Okay I missed alot of this due to the hurricane, so I'm resurrecting this cause I read this ...unintelligible post.
First, to all those that think that theres some virus sitting in the background stealing all your information, logging and sending it, please provide more information for me, I've run autoruns, process explorer, checked my services, looked over websites, and all the information pertains to full uninstalls of the program -- which once uninstalled will not keep logging and sending information.
The only transmissions my firewall picks up constantly is when I actually log into the game. If you're so worried about your histories or anything of the sort, play the game offline, or use ccleaner before playing.
Next, to everyone that thinks DRM is a bad idea, please grow up. People have the right to protect their business, and if you want to bitch and moan about it, take it somewhere else. Spore is a good game and I've played well over 70 hours of it so far and loved ever minute of it. No the games not for everyone, but the space stage is huge and fun.
Oh and I buy all of my software -- I build my own computers, and I take care of my own computers. Afterall my work is in computers. No DRM does not scare me, all you people that think that DRM will be the end of the world for games needs to stop worrying so much and live a little.
Most of you already have games that authenticate in some form or another... you also may not realise this but most antiviruses and big name programs never fully uninstall. If you have Xfire you've got logging on your PC, if you've sent a dxdiag file for a beta, you've given pertinent system specifications, and if you've ever visited a website then you've given IP address and tracking information. Get over it, there are other ways to log your activities then DRM that take much more information then Securom ---- so what, are you going to stop using antivirus programs and the internet now? Stop playing MMOs as well? Hey its your life.
A note on the DRM. I have no problem sending a company information on how I play the game. Hell Im the kind of guy who gets calls by product sample companies or survey companies and says, Sure Ill help! It got me a new fridge, new computer, new printer... and a bunch of other stuff. Just as long as they dont transmit my personal information.
A word advice with the game, play like you did when you were a child. Pick up the toy. Imagine your in a sandbox. Build the castles out of the sand and make little charecters in your mind. Play out stories you love and let the drama unfold. Personally my favourite story is coming from a race I call the Yahvosians. They came from a planet a bit like Earth with massive mushroom forests. The species became symbiotically connected. See I only eat from the mushroom trees. A self enforced story parameter. This causes complex behaviours to become necessary to play. I made a rule which limited my play but opened oppurtunities to experience new behaviours. Which can be a immense amout of fun.
I tend to think of Spore more of as a drawing board then a game. The whole thing is being taped from the emergence of the species. I love it and I don't get why people don't think Spore is exactly what Will Wright was touting all this time. Then I realized they were building there ideal game in there brain. So was I. Mine just matched and theres didnt. *Shrug*
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Simple fact you seem to have missed. This DRM does NOTHING to stop or even hinder piracy.
There was a Hacked (DRM free) pirate version released on the 4th? Before the game was even out in the UK/US. It's exactly the same as happened with Bioshock, which used the exact same DRM 'protection'.
The ONLY people this 'protection' affects are the law abiding gamers who PAY for the game.
EDIT:
EA lost THREE sales here as I would have purchased a copy for my wife, one for my daughter and another for myself...up until I found out it had DRM. I will NOT support developers blind and idiotic approach to sales (protection).
I'm a developer myself and I'd never consider ANY form of protection which hindered a paying customer over a pirate.
Creator of ELTank and Nostalgia
Wow, you really don't get it. People who would have bought the game are pirating it, because the don't want that full system access, non removable, always running, virus on their machine.
It's creating pirates not detouring them.
I only know I'm not going to pay a dime to play that game.
I don't think spore is going to be a good game. Does anybody remember black and white? It was a great concept but the game just wasn't as fun as we all thought it would be. But the concept was AWESOME. Who doesn't want to control a big hero and pretend to be a god, and train your hero to be just like you?
I mean it was fun for about 3 or 4 levels, and then you're like IS THIS IT?
I think thats the way spore will be, because it will be fun going through all the stages and playing the game. But once we get into the UFO and realize, wow, what was the point of making this creature? All the missions are going to be like, capture this creature and breed a new civilization. Or place obelisk here and watch these creatures develop, or inhabit this planet. I don't think there will be the sense of victory or accompllishment whenever everything is all said and done. OH WELL someone prove me wrong please.
You want to make a statement?
Don't buy it -OR- steal it.
When you steal something, you leave the place in a company's mind where things actually matter. You go from being a customer to a thief, and it's really hard to go back. The thieves are not why these folks make games... the customers are.
I haven't bought it, I haven't played it, I haven't stolen it, and I'm not going to do any of those things. A game less advanced than Civilization wrapped with a tool to make your own buildings doesn't appeal to me all that much. The idea seemed interesting way back in the day, but now that I understand how the systems work I'm not going to buy in. Just won't. The DRM is a good reason, too; DRM is garbage, and these folks treating their customers like criminals is going to get their reasonable, non-thieving customers to -leave-. I won't steal, and I won't buy games that are bundled with crippling malware. I understand all too well what's going to happen when the activation servers go down.
I returned Doom 3 when I was told by their tech support that they couldn't -make- their activation ignore my perfectly legit, legally-bought disk mounting software, and that I would have to uninstall it and stop being a dirty thief. I haven't bought anything id makes since, and I won't. I don't like to be told I'm a thief.
Just use the crack, DRM solved...
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I'm glad I read this before I bought Spore. After the debacle that was Starforce I refuse to buy any game that has some sort of spyware on it. Yes, its spyware. What is else? It spies on you to make sure you're being good. Anyways, it took a week after buing Spellforce 2 to even play do to this "protection spyware". No thanks, schmucks.
The people defending DRM really deserve a bat in the face, seriously.
Some of you don't really seem to get the picture. They won't stop and it will continue to get worse unless gamers start speaking up about this BS.
You settle for BS, that's what you're gonna get fed, every time. Has nothing to do with people not having jobs and all that jazz. It's about setting a line, ya know, how like most of you supporting this DRM BS are probably the same ones complaining about no really good, revolutionary games in the market.
Well if you settle for the BS games, then that is what developers are gonna keep making, BS.
And the DRM defenders with the hundreds of posts are effin funny. How is it that posters with so many posts, who has appeared to have discussed gaming for a considerable length of time not see the problem in this DRM business. Especially for the future of gaming.
Your reasoning reminds me of this line I once read.."Yes ladies and gentlemen, buy your oxygen here for only $1.00" while the "thief" down the block is breathing his for free.
Some of you are little kids who's mommy and daddy can just buy you a new pc every year so you really have no clue on what this means for the rest of us who has made it a art to maintain our computers, and knows what kind of BS does NOT belong on our pc.
That's my idiotic post for the month, good day.
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Alright.. I get it that it has a virus in it. Could someone please tell me the name of the virus file so I can get rid of it?
Also.. Someone earlier mentioned something about not buying Mass Effect because of the same issue.. Are there more games that use this secruom thing? If they do could you tell me what they are, because I download almost any comp game that interests me.
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For all you people who have downloaded the hacked version, how do you know that the hacked version doesn't have some severely invasive trojan/keylogging application built in?
Do you trust software pirates more than you trust EA?
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im to lazy too use grammar or punctuation good
Im playing spore and im having fun with it.Im having more fun with it than any mmo released in the last 5 years.
I hear all the talk about piracy and DRM.
Dont care 1 bit about it and yes ive read up on it and im well informed on the subject.
Ive registered my game with EA and i access a server every time i play.It logs in everytime i play takes a total of 30 seconds to boot up and log in automatically.
Ive seen some mmo's take 10 minutes or longer to do the same thing.
A pirated copy?
I dont think i would touch that with a 100' pole.Yeah let me download a free copy from a website that actively breaks the law.No virus there right?
The whole point of accessing the server is for player created content.By having a pirated copy you opt out of that.The point of the game is to have tools to create a game that YOU create and share it.
Im not buying a pirated copy of anything.If you people think a pirated copy of software is safe for your computer or even if you think your putting 1 over on EA your being naive.
Lets say EA has enough of it and starts going after people who have this on their system.Blizzard has gone after gold farmers and NCSOFT has gone after pirated L2 servers right?
Do you have enough money to afford the risk of this not happening?
Im not willing to take that risk and if you arent either then just dont download it or play it.
What is your physical limit?
Wrong. Virus scanners will often block games that lookup the game servers for downloads or connecting to play. They are not running other such types of security snoop applications with those games. DRM and SecurRom are a intrusion spyware type programs. Not really a program as you can't run them when you want but a set of data instructions embeded into a game and OS registry.
People here don't realize what danger they are in with these spyware intrusion applications. Firstly I use to hack many games and upload data to websites for people on my free time, mostly no cd and emulators. Lets talk about what this DRM really does in encrypted form.
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Decrypt that message above on what DRM is doing. I can't go into much detail about how to remove it once installed here on this forum but I can assure you while these snoop applications are installed they are sending back your personal information on where you been what your playing and when. If you download anything illegal or look up information that matches a embedded phrase such as torrent hack etc; it will take that info and send it in a encrypted form back to the game company.
They use this info along with your stored ip address to gather information about various things. How often you may play when and if you cheat the game. Along with several government organizations they are bringing in more advanced spyware which you unknowingly install to gather information from you. They are spying on you and your personal information is being used.
Be afraid within the next few years when they start knocking on your doors. This is an age of piracy and they are willing to do anything to stop it, even if it means harming the innocent. Thank you Metallica for starting all this crap.
Who let you in the VIP section?
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Playing: Final Fantasy Online: ARR, Destiny
Most memorable games for me: UO, GW1, LoTRO
Okay I missed alot of this due to the hurricane, so I'm resurrecting this cause I read this ...unintelligible post.
First, to all those that think that theres some virus sitting in the background stealing all your information, logging and sending it, please provide more information for me, I've run autoruns, process explorer, checked my services, looked over websites, and all the information pertains to full uninstalls of the program -- which once uninstalled will not keep logging and sending information.
The only transmissions my firewall picks up constantly is when I actually log into the game. If you're so worried about your histories or anything of the sort, play the game offline, or use ccleaner before playing.
Next, to everyone that thinks DRM is a bad idea, please grow up. People have the right to protect their business, and if you want to bitch and moan about it, take it somewhere else. Spore is a good game and I've played well over 70 hours of it so far and loved ever minute of it. No the games not for everyone, but the space stage is huge and fun.
Oh and I buy all of my software -- I build my own computers, and I take care of my own computers. Afterall my work is in computers. No DRM does not scare me, all you people that think that DRM will be the end of the world for games needs to stop worrying so much and live a little.
Most of you already have games that authenticate in some form or another... you also may not realise this but most antiviruses and big name programs never fully uninstall. If you have Xfire you've got logging on your PC, if you've sent a dxdiag file for a beta, you've given pertinent system specifications, and if you've ever visited a website then you've given IP address and tracking information. Get over it, there are other ways to log your activities then DRM that take much more information then Securom ---- so what, are you going to stop using antivirus programs and the internet now? Stop playing MMOs as well? Hey its your life.
A note on the DRM. I have no problem sending a company information on how I play the game. Hell Im the kind of guy who gets calls by product sample companies or survey companies and says, Sure Ill help! It got me a new fridge, new computer, new printer... and a bunch of other stuff. Just as long as they dont transmit my personal information.
A word advice with the game, play like you did when you were a child. Pick up the toy. Imagine your in a sandbox. Build the castles out of the sand and make little charecters in your mind. Play out stories you love and let the drama unfold. Personally my favourite story is coming from a race I call the Yahvosians. They came from a planet a bit like Earth with massive mushroom forests. The species became symbiotically connected. See I only eat from the mushroom trees. A self enforced story parameter. This causes complex behaviours to become necessary to play. I made a rule which limited my play but opened oppurtunities to experience new behaviours. Which can be a immense amout of fun.
I tend to think of Spore more of as a drawing board then a game. The whole thing is being taped from the emergence of the species. I love it and I don't get why people don't think Spore is exactly what Will Wright was touting all this time. Then I realized they were building there ideal game in there brain. So was I. Mine just matched and theres didnt. *Shrug*
Is it just me or has 8 years of George Bush made it cool to stand up for faceless corporations again?