I did the DOAC trail for 14 days 8/28-07 it says. After a few days i quitt and cancel it. When i cheak my bankaccount today i saw that mythic had billed 15 USD so i cheak it up and i see i have subscription running and game purshed with 3 exspansion. Really nice to see after a year, i never really look into what i am billed since i use my card for everything its kind of allot and things just hide in 100 lines of text wall I am going to ask my bank now how i should handle this and if its even worth doing something about it, i was looking forward to this game but now i really hate this company, billing me for games i never even bought and than keepign sub. I entered my info only to activate the trail.
I couldn't imagine not checking debit and credit statements. Catching the local gas station for swiping the card three times saved me $100 one time, for example. He said the swipe didn't take and did it again and then a third time. Came home later that day, checked the statements online and found each swipe was charged on my account. Called the bank the next morning and that shit was handled pronto. Had I not took the time, disputed it or whatver, I would have been out $100 from the get go and would have had to fight it out to get that money back. Shit like this happens all the time. You have to be on that like stink on dookie!
I sure as hell check my statements monthly mate, and I have money that FLYS off the shelf. Anyone who doesn't check is lazy or just to damned trusting to be allowed to use credit cards (or online bank account direct debits....) And as an FYI, companies DON'T make their money by tricking the 1 foolish person in 1,000 that can't be bothered to spend 10 minutes a month confirming that things were done correctly on their behalf.
What were done correctly? they should never have withdrawn any money to begin with, not 1usd even. I never purshed those games...
It's interesting you claim you canceled your account, because clearly you didn't. You probably navigated to some page that looked to you like a cancelation when it wasn't.
My earlier point stands: You need to stop your stupid vigilantism on this board, stop complaining to us like a spoiled child, and go call Mythic and ask for your money back. Only after they say they will not return your money for service you never used will you get any sympathy from me.
It still wouldn't be as much sympathy as if you actually tracked your account properly. Letting somebody charge you $15 for a month over a year for something you didn't want isn't a scam: It's an idiot tax.
It dosen't matter if i cheak my debaits 10 times daily like a retarded 90 year old with nothing better to do or not at all, the foult was thiers. I dont care where some of you expect to be charged for an extra poorn movie or not, i do not expect to be unlawfully debaited since its a crime and therefor i do not care to waste time on BS. Its one thing locking your door at nights , its totally diffrent thing sitting up at nights next to the phone waiting for an acident taking place.
I am not naive, i know that people can't be trusted with money and bla bla bla whatever you are trying to tell me i knew the risk i was taking, to lose a whhoopping xx usd sometime. The only reason this went under the radar was because it was sucha small amount every month. A small amount i do not care to call my bank if it was misstake done in a store or sucha since its really not worth the hassle or time and can be a misstake of mine. But 15usd every month for over a year plus whatever those games costed for something i never signed to begin with is so bleh. This is not my ex gf, this is an international gaming company with a reputation that should be of value to them. I never expected to be billed by them at all so i really never looked into it since i never bought a game. I asumed that to be debaited i need to have a game to subscribe to.
It dosen't matter if i cheak my debaits 10 times daily like a retarded 90 year old with nothing better to do or not at all, the foult was thiers.
10 times a day? No. How about once a month? You know, like it tells you do in your average credit card terms of service agreement? It's kind of the reason your credit company mails you those things to read once a month.
You should probably stop having credit cards. You don't seem to be willing to use them right.
Wether i can afford the stuff i buy or not is really none of your buissnes and totally offtopic. I only use card since i dont carry around money ofent. Its a safer way to handle cash you know.. or you diden't?
sorry but it's Didn't. see you is suxors at spelling and yet you have a credit card, lol you = Stop trying to turn people away from Mythic, go back to wow
Please change your thread title from "Wrongfull billing for over a year by Mythic" to "I have no fucking idea how to use a credit card online". Thanks.
It dosen't matter if i cheak my debaits 10 times daily like a retarded 90 year old with nothing better to do or not at all, the foult was thiers.
10 times a day? No. How about once a month? You know, like it tells you do in your average credit card terms of service agreement? It's kind of the reason your credit company mails you those things to read once a month.
You should probably stop having credit cards. You don't seem to be willing to use them right.
If i cheaked it every month i would not even see all the exspenses, they do not mail me anything, everything is show on my internet bank and it only shows 100 lines 1 line being each withdraw.
Wether i can afford the stuff i buy or not is really none of your buissnes and totally offtopic. I only use card since i dont carry around money ofent. Its a safer way to handle cash you know.. or you diden't?
sorry but it's Didn't. see you is suxors at spelling and yet you have a credit card, lol you = Stop trying to turn people away from Mythic, go back to wow
What do spelling got to do with creditcards? I speak other languages other than engrish, several infact, and you? I dont like wow, infact i never like it. Why dont you go join elvis.
I do know how to use a credit card, I take it out of my pocked, give it to the waitress and voila, done! I think some of you are cluless, I spend more money in a night out than if i subscribed for long time, i waste money on drinking and i wasted money now since i did not look into bank account like my life depended on it or my economy for that matter, or wait... it dont. I DONT CARE about the money, i feel cheated and thats what piss me off. I dont even think the money i lost due to this would have been worth the time it takes to look trough my debaits on regular baises, but than agin its not about the money, i couldent care less about it even if it was my last 15USD.
Even if rishaki was completely without blame, posting about this on a message board is an awfully chilidish thing to do. A real man would speak to the company, or even talk to authorities to see what their rights are.
Making a post here - what do you expect us to do? Organize a terrorist raid on Mythic/EA headquarters or something?
Even if rishaki was completely without blame, posting about this on a message board is an awfully chilidish thing to do. A real man would speak to the company, or even talk to authorities to see what their rights are. Making a post here - what do you expect us to do? Organize a terrorist raid on Mythic/EA headquarters or something?
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me. Childish, this is a forum ment for discussion, this is even a forum ment for WAR/mythic discussions, this is not doac related since it has as much to do with the game as it has to do with WAR, it has even more to do with WAR since its in the spotlight and delivered by this company which credability is totally gone on my behalf.
Interesting. I did not realize that in your country people are justified to slander people when they feel their money was taken.
Here in the United States, we're clearly angrier and stupider than many countries these days, but even we know that this is vigilantism. When we feel we've been stolen from by accident, we speak to the company that has done it privately and see first if they are willing to make amends. Then, if that does not work, we speak to the authorities to see if they are willing to find a peaceful resolution for us. Only when we are completely out of options do we feel resentful, and may be tempted to do something in petty revenge.
You are not completely out of options yet, but you have already begun your revenge by trying to slander. You have not even tried to speak to Mythic yet. Instead, you just come here and start complaining. This board does not even have any official connection to Mythic!
It is hard to sympathize. It is like you feel somebody owes you money, so you will go out on the town square and start yelling things. How does that work? It does not solve anything and just makes people angry at you. It certainly does not get you your money back.
Even if rishaki was completely without blame, posting about this on a message board is an awfully chilidish thing to do. A real man would speak to the company, or even talk to authorities to see what their rights are. Making a post here - what do you expect us to do? Organize a terrorist raid on Mythic/EA headquarters or something?
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me.
The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that???
If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
Even if rishaki was completely without blame, posting about this on a message board is an awfully chilidish thing to do. A real man would speak to the company, or even talk to authorities to see what their rights are. Making a post here - what do you expect us to do? Organize a terrorist raid on Mythic/EA headquarters or something?
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me.
The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that???
If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
So, its thier foult if they take money from me once but if they do it more than once its my foult? I dont know how much those exspansions cost and sometimes there is to much going on for me to notice things like that, 100usd is, what? I pay more for daily exspenses. I could have prevented them from charging me more than once, ANYONE COULD HAVE FIGURED THIS. Thats not the bigges error here thoe, its them charging me, i dident scame anyone, they did.
Even if rishaki was completely without blame, posting about this on a message board is an awfully chilidish thing to do. A real man would speak to the company, or even talk to authorities to see what their rights are. Making a post here - what do you expect us to do? Organize a terrorist raid on Mythic/EA headquarters or something?
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me.
The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that???
If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
People want to bring it down because it actually has a lot of hype and potential.
I'd like to see them reinstate the other stuff and split off factions a bit more, but other than that I am looking forward to the game (and it running on linux w/or without mythic's blessings)
I remember WOW getting this kind of obscene hype before it came out too.
You really have to check stuff like this, that's why I actually go out and buy gamecards. I just don't trust companies whatever company they are. Always keep track of your bank account.
Still, it's Mythics fault too, I do know people who had the same problem when Mythic took a months pay after they had quited, they did however check it. Take contact with Mythic about it, you should at least get some of it back.
Originally posted by rishaki Originally posted by plaxidia Originally posted by rishaki Originally posted by geldonyetich Even if rishaki was completely without blame, posting about this on a message board is an awfully chilidish thing to do. A real man would speak to the company, or even talk to authorities to see what their rights are. Making a post here - what do you expect us to do? Organize a terrorist raid on Mythic/EA headquarters or something?
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me. The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that??? If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
So, its thier foult if they take money from me once but if they do it more than once its my foult? I dont know how much those exspansions cost and sometimes there is to much going on for me to notice things like that, 100usd is, what? I pay more for daily exspenses. I could have prevented them from charging me more than once, ANYONE COULD HAVE FIGURED THIS. Thats not the bigges error here thoe, its them charging me, i dident scame anyone, they did.
Its a warning. Hyping this company for whatever is bs, this was a SCAM, i never set up for what i have been debaited.
No, this is you not knowing how all MMORPG trial accounts that exist on the face of the planet work.
You start a trial account, you give them your credit card, and they write in big bold letters: when your trial account runs out they'll start billing your credit card unless you cancel your account. This is done not to sneak money out of your account, but rather because they figure people who sign up for their trial accounts are genuinely interested in subscribing to their games if they didn't cancel.
You screwed up, not Mythic.
However, you're not even giving Mythic the benefit of the doubt here. They actually have a very good reputation for being fair to their customers. Why don't youcall their customer service and say, "Dude! I was checking my VISA account and you've been charging me for months. I didn't want to subscribe! Check my login recods, I haven't even logged in during all that time"
You may be pleasantly surprised to discover that they'll refund your money. Give them a chance instead of running to the nearest message board and engaging in what's basically making a scene in public like a 5-year-old child in the supermarket whose mom didn't buy them a toy.
Haha the same 3 hero's bashing this guy to no end. I've _neveR_ had to cancel any subscription I never signed for in the first place after trial-period for any game I've tried tbfh. The link to WAR is so obvious its not even funny asking... he was being careless that doesnt mean it couldnt happen to others tho so even tho thread is part BS its valid imo.
Haha the same 3 hero's bashing this guy to no end. I've _neveR_ had to cancel any subscription I never signed for in the first place after trial-period for any game I've tried tbfh. The link to WAR is so obvious its not even funny asking... he was being careless that doesnt mean it couldnt happen to others tho so even tho thread is part BS its valid imo.
you mean 100% invalid.
If this was valid, at an absolute flameworthy bare minimum, it should be put in the DAOC forums. This has no relation to Warhammer at all and is purely someone's idiotic neglect. As people said this guy is not responsible enough to handle a credit card appropriate, that is, assuming that the post is even legitimate in the first place. Meanwhile as said he could call the credit company.
What does he really expect from putting this on the warhammer forums for mmorpg? What are we, a billing site? I doubt it. Meanwhile, charging for expansions? Yeah, nice lie. Maybe he should have tried this in the blizzard forums to get trolled by 100x the number of fanboys, but the same response would apply, aka: stop lying, etc.
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I couldn't imagine not checking debit and credit statements. Catching the local gas station for swiping the card three times saved me $100 one time, for example. He said the swipe didn't take and did it again and then a third time. Came home later that day, checked the statements online and found each swipe was charged on my account. Called the bank the next morning and that shit was handled pronto. Had I not took the time, disputed it or whatver, I would have been out $100 from the get go and would have had to fight it out to get that money back. Shit like this happens all the time. You have to be on that like stink on dookie!
What were done correctly? they should never have withdrawn any money to begin with, not 1usd even. I never purshed those games...
You never purchased the game yet, they have your CC info, they charge you monthly, and you don't notice for a year?
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It's interesting you claim you canceled your account, because clearly you didn't. You probably navigated to some page that looked to you like a cancelation when it wasn't.
My earlier point stands: You need to stop your stupid vigilantism on this board, stop complaining to us like a spoiled child, and go call Mythic and ask for your money back. Only after they say they will not return your money for service you never used will you get any sympathy from me.
It still wouldn't be as much sympathy as if you actually tracked your account properly. Letting somebody charge you $15 for a month over a year for something you didn't want isn't a scam: It's an idiot tax.
It dosen't matter if i cheak my debaits 10 times daily like a retarded 90 year old with nothing better to do or not at all, the foult was thiers. I dont care where some of you expect to be charged for an extra poorn movie or not, i do not expect to be unlawfully debaited since its a crime and therefor i do not care to waste time on BS. Its one thing locking your door at nights , its totally diffrent thing sitting up at nights next to the phone waiting for an acident taking place.
I am not naive, i know that people can't be trusted with money and bla bla bla whatever you are trying to tell me i knew the risk i was taking, to lose a whhoopping xx usd sometime. The only reason this went under the radar was because it was sucha small amount every month. A small amount i do not care to call my bank if it was misstake done in a store or sucha since its really not worth the hassle or time and can be a misstake of mine. But 15usd every month for over a year plus whatever those games costed for something i never signed to begin with is so bleh. This is not my ex gf, this is an international gaming company with a reputation that should be of value to them. I never expected to be billed by them at all so i really never looked into it since i never bought a game. I asumed that to be debaited i need to have a game to subscribe to.
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10 times a day? No. How about once a month? You know, like it tells you do in your average credit card terms of service agreement? It's kind of the reason your credit company mails you those things to read once a month.
You should probably stop having credit cards. You don't seem to be willing to use them right.
sorry but it's Didn't. see you is suxors at spelling and yet you have a credit card, lol you = Stop trying to turn people away from Mythic, go back to wow
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Please change your thread title from "Wrongfull billing for over a year by Mythic" to "I have no fucking idea how to use a credit card online".
Thanks.
I loled.
10 times a day? No. How about once a month? You know, like it tells you do in your average credit card terms of service agreement? It's kind of the reason your credit company mails you those things to read once a month.
You should probably stop having credit cards. You don't seem to be willing to use them right.
If i cheaked it every month i would not even see all the exspenses, they do not mail me anything, everything is show on my internet bank and it only shows 100 lines 1 line being each withdraw.
sorry but it's Didn't. see you is suxors at spelling and yet you have a credit card, lol you = Stop trying to turn people away from Mythic, go back to wow
What do spelling got to do with creditcards? I speak other languages other than engrish, several infact, and you? I dont like wow, infact i never like it. Why dont you go join elvis.
I do know how to use a credit card, I take it out of my pocked, give it to the waitress and voila, done! I think some of you are cluless, I spend more money in a night out than if i subscribed for long time, i waste money on drinking and i wasted money now since i did not look into bank account like my life depended on it or my economy for that matter, or wait... it dont. I DONT CARE about the money, i feel cheated and thats what piss me off. I dont even think the money i lost due to this would have been worth the time it takes to look trough my debaits on regular baises, but than agin its not about the money, i couldent care less about it even if it was my last 15USD.
Even if rishaki was completely without blame, posting about this on a message board is an awfully chilidish thing to do. A real man would speak to the company, or even talk to authorities to see what their rights are.
Making a post here - what do you expect us to do? Organize a terrorist raid on Mythic/EA headquarters or something?
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me. Childish, this is a forum ment for discussion, this is even a forum ment for WAR/mythic discussions, this is not doac related since it has as much to do with the game as it has to do with WAR, it has even more to do with WAR since its in the spotlight and delivered by this company which credability is totally gone on my behalf.
Interesting. I did not realize that in your country people are justified to slander people when they feel their money was taken.
Here in the United States, we're clearly angrier and stupider than many countries these days, but even we know that this is vigilantism. When we feel we've been stolen from by accident, we speak to the company that has done it privately and see first if they are willing to make amends. Then, if that does not work, we speak to the authorities to see if they are willing to find a peaceful resolution for us. Only when we are completely out of options do we feel resentful, and may be tempted to do something in petty revenge.
You are not completely out of options yet, but you have already begun your revenge by trying to slander. You have not even tried to speak to Mythic yet. Instead, you just come here and start complaining. This board does not even have any official connection to Mythic!
It is hard to sympathize. It is like you feel somebody owes you money, so you will go out on the town square and start yelling things. How does that work? It does not solve anything and just makes people angry at you. It certainly does not get you your money back.
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me.
The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that???
If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me.
The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that???
If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
So, its thier foult if they take money from me once but if they do it more than once its my foult? I dont know how much those exspansions cost and sometimes there is to much going on for me to notice things like that, 100usd is, what? I pay more for daily exspenses. I could have prevented them from charging me more than once, ANYONE COULD HAVE FIGURED THIS. Thats not the bigges error here thoe, its them charging me, i dident scame anyone, they did.
If someone steal your money do you ask for it back? nope, you blame them and get angry for what they did. Asking them for money back might get me the money back but its not the issue, the issue is that they stole it from me.
The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that???
If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
People want to bring it down because it actually has a lot of hype and potential.
I'd like to see them reinstate the other stuff and split off factions a bit more, but other than that I am looking forward to the game (and it running on linux w/or without mythic's blessings)
I remember WOW getting this kind of obscene hype before it came out too.
/rant
I LOL'd. OP should never be allowed to own another credit card/debit card/checking account.
You really have to check stuff like this, that's why I actually go out and buy gamecards. I just don't trust companies whatever company they are. Always keep track of your bank account.
Still, it's Mythics fault too, I do know people who had the same problem when Mythic took a months pay after they had quited, they did however check it. Take contact with Mythic about it, you should at least get some of it back.
The first month you MIGHT have a legitimate bitch.. After that.. Its your own fault if you dont check your statments. You say you didn't notice $15 but in the first post you said they charged you for TWO expansions.. Thats $50 each.. and you didn't notice that???
If this isn't bullshit then you need to go see a credit councelor.. I can name a couple good ones.. If it IS BS.. Then go find another forum to agrivate..
Sidenote.. I cant wait till things settle down and War is released so all the non-esential anoyanceposters (my new word) go away..
So, its thier foult if they take money from me once but if they do it more than once its my foult? I dont know how much those exspansions cost and sometimes there is to much going on for me to notice things like that, 100usd is, what? I pay more for daily exspenses. I could have prevented them from charging me more than once, ANYONE COULD HAVE FIGURED THIS. Thats not the bigges error here thoe, its them charging me, i dident scame anyone, they did.
I doubt you were even charged for the expansions.
@ OP
BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Its a warning. Hyping this company for whatever is bs, this was a SCAM, i never set up for what i have been debaited.
No, this is you not knowing how all MMORPG trial accounts that exist on the face of the planet work.
You start a trial account, you give them your credit card, and they write in big bold letters: when your trial account runs out they'll start billing your credit card unless you cancel your account. This is done not to sneak money out of your account, but rather because they figure people who sign up for their trial accounts are genuinely interested in subscribing to their games if they didn't cancel.
You screwed up, not Mythic.
However, you're not even giving Mythic the benefit of the doubt here. They actually have a very good reputation for being fair to their customers. Why don't youcall their customer service and say, "Dude! I was checking my VISA account and you've been charging me for months. I didn't want to subscribe! Check my login recods, I haven't even logged in during all that time"
You may be pleasantly surprised to discover that they'll refund your money. Give them a chance instead of running to the nearest message board and engaging in what's basically making a scene in public like a 5-year-old child in the supermarket whose mom didn't buy them a toy.
Haha the same 3 hero's bashing this guy to no end. I've _neveR_ had to cancel any subscription I never signed for in the first place after trial-period for any game I've tried tbfh. The link to WAR is so obvious its not even funny asking... he was being careless that doesnt mean it couldnt happen to others tho so even tho thread is part BS its valid imo.
Yep I have to agree here, I think the OP made that bit up.
you mean 100% invalid.
If this was valid, at an absolute flameworthy bare minimum, it should be put in the DAOC forums. This has no relation to Warhammer at all and is purely someone's idiotic neglect. As people said this guy is not responsible enough to handle a credit card appropriate, that is, assuming that the post is even legitimate in the first place. Meanwhile as said he could call the credit company.
What does he really expect from putting this on the warhammer forums for mmorpg? What are we, a billing site? I doubt it. Meanwhile, charging for expansions? Yeah, nice lie. Maybe he should have tried this in the blizzard forums to get trolled by 100x the number of fanboys, but the same response would apply, aka: stop lying, etc.
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