Won't be griefers playing DF, it will be people who enjoy PVP.
You're kidding, right? Calling any game full pvp with player looting is like throwing raw meat to a pack of starving wolves...the gankers and griefers are giddy at the prospect. The problem is that run-of-the-mill players aren't going to have anything to do with the game so the population will be very small. The gankers won't have enough targets, will get bored and will run back to whatever game they are currently using to fulfill their anti-social needs.
No, I think it will be more like DAOC factions -- most people will not kill their own faction (i'm sure there will be some exceptions), but they will kill opposing factions, which is not really griefing at all. Killing your own faction gives negative alignment fast, which means no going into regular cities cause no trading with NPCs, and being KOS to NPC guards.
The 'griefer/ganker' race will be Alfar, who are meant to be evil bastards, so as long as you don't roll Alfar I don't see much of a problem.
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
"Introduction to Forum Rules 101: If you read the original post, you would understand what he was addressing in his points. I know it was a long post - and I apologize if it was boring for you, but if you are really interested in being part of this discussion, you need to pay attention to the rest of the thread. Unfortunately, you did follow a similar approach when you brought up your assumptions about ranged vs melee PvP balance issues, and tried to sell them to the forum readers as mere facts. Similar combat issues has been extensively discussed several times in Darkfall forums, and devs have brought many satisfying explanations in their updates. If you are concerned about an issue as such and not knowledgeble about it, before speculating and making up facts; please try to learn more about it, either by asking in a thread like this, or doing some research in the games website. Surely, there will be some of us who would like to help you out."
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
Hyping a game that presented so much of its promised features (in their dev updates) in one video, set a very close deadline, about to start a beta stage in a few weeks, will start giving interviews in major magazines and media, and offers a new fresh breath of air for a population of players who have been waiting for so long against all the vaporware speculations... is well-worth it and is reasonable with a thread like mine where almost all of you do agree with the problems I stated about the mainstream boring games, and eventually I point out that Darkfall may most likely realize our dreams, and ask you to check it out and have an eye on it.
Dehyping a game against all these "new" developments and exciting news, is quite honestly have to have "other" agendas.
Wait and see is all we must do, we're all aware that the game may not provide us what they've been promising and turn out terrible as some other games. I've also lived through some disappointments (i.e. AoC - and I've waited for it for 2 years in excitement - without dehyping). However, why wait when we can announce and hype the game with enough proofs we finally have, recruit more fans for a "promising" game and introduce it to others who may have been bored (as we've seen so many new threads discussing how MMORPGs are so boring anymore) and not aware of this alternative possibility, and let them hope again? Why is it too early again? Why do we have to wait for the dev companies to serve us an ideal game for us to start shaping our dream about that perfect game? Isn't it our only interaction way with them to show them that we're hyped about certain "other" features and bored to the death about all these other mainstream games? If nothing, we should embrace the revolutionary features Darkfall is offering and motivate other big developers to seriously reconsider their "narrow" visions - and in the meanwhile we can all hope Aventurine will succeed - it's for the good of MMORPG world.
What I sincerely think is, if there is enough hype about such a game that offers so much freedom in theory that we all crave, even if Darkfall fails (and no-one should hope that), a new game will take it one step further and release a much better version eventually. Hyping still wins, am I wrong?
We all have to understand that, it really is not that "too good to be true" level challenging what they are promising, it's just what any right-minded hadcore PvPer would imagine. So many competitive developer companies dismiss to add these features for their inefficieny of "time spent doing it" vs "player population it will bring" ratio. This game and its success will remind them that there is actually a bigger crowd out there who are sick of carebear ideology mainstream games injected to their minds - who are ready to shake this idiocracy and look for some more realistic rewarding/penalizing system of FFA full loot system - that players are becoming hardcore after 4-5 years of "grinding items for success in simplified PvP" experience.
Darkfall is going to be a gankfest...until there are no more targets and then the gankers will move on to the next game.
only if you play the 'Alfar' race -- the race for the hardcore gankers. Alfar are supposed to be evil, and are opposed to the other 5 races. for an Alfar ganker to come gank you as a dwarf for instance, they have to travel literally across the other side of the map -- a journey of several hours, then if they die, they have to make the journey again from the start.
if you roll a 'good' race -- human/elf/dwarf or ork/mahirrim -- you'll probably be ok, and/or grab a guild and you're golden. of course if you're attacked by your own faction, those guys will get a negative alignment super fast, NPCs will no longer trade with them, NPC guards will attack them, and players will receive quests to kill them. the hunter becomes the hunted, and few people will pursue the truly evil life.
the devs aren't stupid, they know a game with noone but hardcore gankers playing is a dead game, so they've put in place a variety of different checks and balances to favour fighting with, not against, your own faction.
"Introduction to Forum Rules 101: If you read the original post, you would understand what he was addressing in his points. I know it was a long post - and I apologize if it was boring for you, but if you are really interested in being part of this discussion, you need to pay attention to the rest of the thread. Unfortunately, you did follow a similar approach when you brought up your assumptions about ranged vs melee PvP balance issues, and tried to sell them to the forum readers as mere facts. Similar combat issues has been extensively discussed several times in Darkfall forums, and devs have brought many satisfying explanations in their updates. If you are concerned about an issue as such and not knowledgeble about it, before speculating and making up facts; please try to learn more about it, either by asking in a thread like this, or doing some research in the games website. Surely, there will be some of us who would like to help you out."
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
Hyping a game that presented so much of its promised features (in their dev updates) in one video, set a very close deadline, about to start a beta stage in a few weeks, will start giving interviews in major magazines and media, and offers a new fresh breath of air for a population of players who have been waiting for so long against all the vaporware speculations... is well-worth it and is reasonable with a thread like mine where almost all of you do agree with the problems I stated about the mainstream boring games, and eventually I point out that Darkfall may most likely realize our dreams, and ask you to check it out and have an eye on it.
Dehyping a game against all these "new" developments and exciting news, is quite honestly have to have "other" agendas.
Wait and see is all we must do, we're all aware that the game may not provide us what they've been promising and turn out terrible as some other games. I've also lived through some disappointments (i.e. AoC - and I've waited for it for 2 years in excitement - without dehyping). However, why wait when we can announce and hype the game with enough proofs we finally have, recruit more fans for a "promising" game and introduce it to others who may have been bored (as we've seen so many new threads discussing how MMORPGs are so boring anymore) and not aware of this alternative possibility, and let them hope again? Why is it too early again? Why do we have to wait for the dev companies to serve us an ideal game for us to start shaping our dream about that perfect game? Isn't it our only interaction way with them to show them that we're hyped about certain "other" features and bored to the death about all these other mainstream games? If nothing, we should embrace the revolutionary features Darkfall is offering and motivate other big developers to seriously reconsider their "narrow" visions - and in the meanwhile we can all hope Aventurine will succeed - it's for the good of MMORPG world.
What I sincerely think is, if there is enough hype about such a game that offers so much freedom in theory that we all crave, even if Darkfall fails (and no-one should hope that), a new game will take it one step further and release a much better version eventually. Hyping still wins, am I wrong?
We all have to understand that, it really is not that "too good to be true" level challenging what they are promising, it's just what any right-minded hadcore PvPer would imagine. So many competitive developer companies dismiss to add these features for their inefficieny of "time spent doing it" vs "player population it will bring" ratio. This game and its success will remind them that there is actually a bigger crowd out there who are sick of carebear ideology mainstream games injected to their minds - who are ready to shake this idiocracy and look for some more realistic rewarding/penalizing system of FFA full loot system - that players are becoming hardcore after 4-5 years of "grinding items for success in simplified PvP" experience.
I have to take some exception this one comment here, "Dehyping a game against all these "new" developments and exciting news, is quite honestly have to have "other" agendas." Dehyping maybe, but most people in this thread are not dehyping, they are just not excited about something.
Especially when you yourself talk about every single aspect with words such as, "promised features, set a very close deadline, about to start, will start" In other words, not much has actually happened, very little concrete facts. It all starts to sound like wishfull thinking and entering the realm of pure conjecture.
Maybe it will come out, maybe it won't. Getting so excited about it, is IMO, silly.
Venge Sunsoar
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
ok i didnt read all that but i got the jist of the game and IT seems a lot and looks like Elder Scrolls. In that single player game it was WAY to large and i lost the whole point of the game. Soon i was going to the major cities and kiling the guards, taking all their armor and making them naked. I would then procceed to drag the bodies into a pile and be done with the game. The game just totally sounds like madness to me. I understand freedom in a game but killing people on your side whenever you want? I get jobs and crap like that but Dark Fall sounds like complete madness! Sorry but i want some structure in my games. Being able to do whatever i want whenever i want sounds good on paper but turns into madness. i cant think of another word for it other than madness.
Just play themepark games my friend if morrowind was to hard for you and you think darkfall is madness its out of your league.
Darkfall is sandbox with hardcore pvp.
All of you have plenty of games to play now we soon have our own game, be happy for that instead trash talk darkfall down.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Excellent post. Level based games are just grind with no actual skill. Its actually unbelievable that almost every MMo that is produced is made this way. I dont want a "cookie cutter-show me the way" gameplay. I want freedom to find my own way and make my own toon. All HAIL Darkfall
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
The only thing Darkfall is missing from my MMO wish list is flying vehicles and archers on mounts. Other than that this is everything I’ve ever wanted in an MMO and I really hope it delivers and chokes the life out of other MMOs enough that Darkfall clones start popping up!
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
The only thing Darkfall is missing from my MMO wish list is flying vehicles and archers on mounts. Other than that this is everything I’ve ever wanted in an MMO and I really hope it delivers and chokes the life out of other MMOs enough that Darkfall clones start popping up! That way I’ll have more options!
Unfortunately this game will never be more than niche simply because of FFAPvP and full loot. Niche isn't bad, it can still be very successfull and make good money and still be niche. Two of the games I play are niche with one very niche (CoH and Istaria). However realize that no matter what systems they put in place to discourage ganking, enough people will be turned off/scared away that will ensure this will never be any more than niche.
So there is no way it will choke the life out of an MMO except a similar even more niche MMO.
Venge Sunsoar
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
He is apparently the troll to your fanboi. And theyve slated release more than a "few" times. Heck Id imagine most of us "trolls" have followed this game longer than the "fanbois". Ive been waiting for almost 8 years for release, thats almost a decade, sad isnt it?
Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?
Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?
The majority of the Darkfall "hardcore" ( that word cracks me up when taliking about video games ) only use the term because of the daily guilt and anxiety that being beaten up by the 6th grade bully on the way to work can only inflict. It is a means of restoring their pathetic self-worth as they forage for that 2nd gallon of mocha-mocha chocolate ice cream mom sent over to feel better.
Darkfall will launch. From what I saw on their website it will be another 1 or 2 years. They will successfully implement about half of their features and the other half will either be rushed or poorly thought out. (Just like every other MMO with an extremely large list of promises)
Will the game fail? Doubtful, but there is a good chance it will have simular Vangard like problems. Unless we start seeing a lot more gameplay videos and some closed beta reviews, my doubnts are high.
The game has been in development for 7 years and the art style is everywhere. It promises much change. No levels? No turn timer based combat? FFA PvP with corpse looting? Those are some mighty ambitious goals with very few source games to study from. There is a very good chance amny of these features will not be implemented correctly.
Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?
Perma death would be awesome. It makes everything so much more intense.
permadeath would be a real rush but would not fit in Darkfall whereas you develop a character for a long time. Hoping bigtime beta happens in Oct. But until then I will be cautious personally
Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such. Just because some dev says something does not make it true. Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days. They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off. We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not. Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though. If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show. If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
In other words.... you can't provide any proof, like I said. You just repeat your Darkfall hate mantra without investigating it. Thanks for proving my point.
I agree with most of the OP's sentiments. However Darkfall is vaporware if I've ever seen it. Trust me, it is very easy to work up a list of features and screenshots like that.
I agree with most of the OP's sentiments. However Darkfall is vaporware if I've ever seen it. Trust me, it is very easy to work up a list of features and screenshots like that.
It's almost certainly not vaporware, yesterday they announced their US server host saying launch will be in 2008:
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You're kidding, right? Calling any game full pvp with player looting is like throwing raw meat to a pack of starving wolves...the gankers and griefers are giddy at the prospect. The problem is that run-of-the-mill players aren't going to have anything to do with the game so the population will be very small. The gankers won't have enough targets, will get bored and will run back to whatever game they are currently using to fulfill their anti-social needs.
No, I think it will be more like DAOC factions -- most people will not kill their own faction (i'm sure there will be some exceptions), but they will kill opposing factions, which is not really griefing at all. Killing your own faction gives negative alignment fast, which means no going into regular cities cause no trading with NPCs, and being KOS to NPC guards.
The 'griefer/ganker' race will be Alfar, who are meant to be evil bastards, so as long as you don't roll Alfar I don't see much of a problem.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
Absurd discussions about Darkfall this way ----> www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/454
Until the public gets their hands on this game this is nothing more the piss and wind.
Watch out pissing into the wind you might end up with piss in your face.
Hyping a game that presented so much of its promised features (in their dev updates) in one video, set a very close deadline, about to start a beta stage in a few weeks, will start giving interviews in major magazines and media, and offers a new fresh breath of air for a population of players who have been waiting for so long against all the vaporware speculations... is well-worth it and is reasonable with a thread like mine where almost all of you do agree with the problems I stated about the mainstream boring games, and eventually I point out that Darkfall may most likely realize our dreams, and ask you to check it out and have an eye on it.
Dehyping a game against all these "new" developments and exciting news, is quite honestly have to have "other" agendas.
Wait and see is all we must do, we're all aware that the game may not provide us what they've been promising and turn out terrible as some other games. I've also lived through some disappointments (i.e. AoC - and I've waited for it for 2 years in excitement - without dehyping). However, why wait when we can announce and hype the game with enough proofs we finally have, recruit more fans for a "promising" game and introduce it to others who may have been bored (as we've seen so many new threads discussing how MMORPGs are so boring anymore) and not aware of this alternative possibility, and let them hope again? Why is it too early again? Why do we have to wait for the dev companies to serve us an ideal game for us to start shaping our dream about that perfect game? Isn't it our only interaction way with them to show them that we're hyped about certain "other" features and bored to the death about all these other mainstream games? If nothing, we should embrace the revolutionary features Darkfall is offering and motivate other big developers to seriously reconsider their "narrow" visions - and in the meanwhile we can all hope Aventurine will succeed - it's for the good of MMORPG world.
What I sincerely think is, if there is enough hype about such a game that offers so much freedom in theory that we all crave, even if Darkfall fails (and no-one should hope that), a new game will take it one step further and release a much better version eventually. Hyping still wins, am I wrong?
We all have to understand that, it really is not that "too good to be true" level challenging what they are promising, it's just what any right-minded hadcore PvPer would imagine. So many competitive developer companies dismiss to add these features for their inefficieny of "time spent doing it" vs "player population it will bring" ratio. This game and its success will remind them that there is actually a bigger crowd out there who are sick of carebear ideology mainstream games injected to their minds - who are ready to shake this idiocracy and look for some more realistic rewarding/penalizing system of FFA full loot system - that players are becoming hardcore after 4-5 years of "grinding items for success in simplified PvP" experience.
only if you play the 'Alfar' race -- the race for the hardcore gankers. Alfar are supposed to be evil, and are opposed to the other 5 races. for an Alfar ganker to come gank you as a dwarf for instance, they have to travel literally across the other side of the map -- a journey of several hours, then if they die, they have to make the journey again from the start.
if you roll a 'good' race -- human/elf/dwarf or ork/mahirrim -- you'll probably be ok, and/or grab a guild and you're golden. of course if you're attacked by your own faction, those guys will get a negative alignment super fast, NPCs will no longer trade with them, NPC guards will attack them, and players will receive quests to kill them. the hunter becomes the hunted, and few people will pursue the truly evil life.
the devs aren't stupid, they know a game with noone but hardcore gankers playing is a dead game, so they've put in place a variety of different checks and balances to favour fighting with, not against, your own faction.
Hyping a game that presented so much of its promised features (in their dev updates) in one video, set a very close deadline, about to start a beta stage in a few weeks, will start giving interviews in major magazines and media, and offers a new fresh breath of air for a population of players who have been waiting for so long against all the vaporware speculations... is well-worth it and is reasonable with a thread like mine where almost all of you do agree with the problems I stated about the mainstream boring games, and eventually I point out that Darkfall may most likely realize our dreams, and ask you to check it out and have an eye on it.
Dehyping a game against all these "new" developments and exciting news, is quite honestly have to have "other" agendas.
Wait and see is all we must do, we're all aware that the game may not provide us what they've been promising and turn out terrible as some other games. I've also lived through some disappointments (i.e. AoC - and I've waited for it for 2 years in excitement - without dehyping). However, why wait when we can announce and hype the game with enough proofs we finally have, recruit more fans for a "promising" game and introduce it to others who may have been bored (as we've seen so many new threads discussing how MMORPGs are so boring anymore) and not aware of this alternative possibility, and let them hope again? Why is it too early again? Why do we have to wait for the dev companies to serve us an ideal game for us to start shaping our dream about that perfect game? Isn't it our only interaction way with them to show them that we're hyped about certain "other" features and bored to the death about all these other mainstream games? If nothing, we should embrace the revolutionary features Darkfall is offering and motivate other big developers to seriously reconsider their "narrow" visions - and in the meanwhile we can all hope Aventurine will succeed - it's for the good of MMORPG world.
What I sincerely think is, if there is enough hype about such a game that offers so much freedom in theory that we all crave, even if Darkfall fails (and no-one should hope that), a new game will take it one step further and release a much better version eventually. Hyping still wins, am I wrong?
We all have to understand that, it really is not that "too good to be true" level challenging what they are promising, it's just what any right-minded hadcore PvPer would imagine. So many competitive developer companies dismiss to add these features for their inefficieny of "time spent doing it" vs "player population it will bring" ratio. This game and its success will remind them that there is actually a bigger crowd out there who are sick of carebear ideology mainstream games injected to their minds - who are ready to shake this idiocracy and look for some more realistic rewarding/penalizing system of FFA full loot system - that players are becoming hardcore after 4-5 years of "grinding items for success in simplified PvP" experience.
I have to take some exception this one comment here, "Dehyping a game against all these "new" developments and exciting news, is quite honestly have to have "other" agendas." Dehyping maybe, but most people in this thread are not dehyping, they are just not excited about something.
Especially when you yourself talk about every single aspect with words such as, "promised features, set a very close deadline, about to start, will start" In other words, not much has actually happened, very little concrete facts. It all starts to sound like wishfull thinking and entering the realm of pure conjecture.
Maybe it will come out, maybe it won't. Getting so excited about it, is IMO, silly.
Venge Sunsoar
Just play themepark games my friend if morrowind was to hard for you and you think darkfall is madness its out of your league.
Darkfall is sandbox with hardcore pvp.
All of you have plenty of games to play now we soon have our own game, be happy for that instead trash talk darkfall down.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Excellent post. Level based games are just grind with no actual skill. Its actually unbelievable that almost every MMo that is produced is made this way. I dont want a "cookie cutter-show me the way" gameplay. I want freedom to find my own way and make my own toon. All HAIL Darkfall
Blah Blah, i just skimmed your post. For people who also are too lazy to read this dribble
I want Open pvp!
No levels!
I don't want to work for equipment, but i want it to be important enough to make people grind new sets when i kill em.
Skill based!
Blah blah blah
Seen this arguement a million times. Tired of it. Your not saying anything new.
Why don't we just sticky a post at the top of the forums that says OMGZ OPEN SANDBOX IS UBERZ. Then we can all just move on and be done with it.
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
The only thing Darkfall is missing from my MMO wish list is flying vehicles and archers on mounts. Other than that this is everything I’ve ever wanted in an MMO and I really hope it delivers and chokes the life out of other MMOs enough that Darkfall clones start popping up!
That way I’ll have more options!
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
O really
maybe you should read this
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/aventurine-launch-new-game-gnis/story.aspx?guid=%7B9362A09A-FF00-44CA-9148-877B0773E910%7D&dist=hppr
Unfortunately this game will never be more than niche simply because of FFAPvP and full loot. Niche isn't bad, it can still be very successfull and make good money and still be niche. Two of the games I play are niche with one very niche (CoH and Istaria). However realize that no matter what systems they put in place to discourage ganking, enough people will be turned off/scared away that will ensure this will never be any more than niche.
So there is no way it will choke the life out of an MMO except a similar even more niche MMO.
Venge Sunsoar
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
O really
maybe you should read this
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/aventurine-launch-new-game-gnis/story.aspx?guid=%7B9362A09A-FF00-44CA-9148-877B0773E910%7D&dist=hppr
Thanks a bunch for the link..
I wonder.. when will they ever stop trolling?
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
He is apparently the troll to your fanboi. And theyve slated release more than a "few" times. Heck Id imagine most of us "trolls" have followed this game longer than the "fanbois". Ive been waiting for almost 8 years for release, thats almost a decade, sad isnt it?
Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?
The majority of the Darkfall "hardcore" ( that word cracks me up when taliking about video games ) only use the term because of the daily guilt and anxiety that being beaten up by the 6th grade bully on the way to work can only inflict. It is a means of restoring their pathetic self-worth as they forage for that 2nd gallon of mocha-mocha chocolate ice cream mom sent over to feel better.
Darkfall will launch. From what I saw on their website it will be another 1 or 2 years. They will successfully implement about half of their features and the other half will either be rushed or poorly thought out. (Just like every other MMO with an extremely large list of promises)
Will the game fail? Doubtful, but there is a good chance it will have simular Vangard like problems. Unless we start seeing a lot more gameplay videos and some closed beta reviews, my doubnts are high.
The game has been in development for 7 years and the art style is everywhere. It promises much change. No levels? No turn timer based combat? FFA PvP with corpse looting? Those are some mighty ambitious goals with very few source games to study from. There is a very good chance amny of these features will not be implemented correctly.
Perma death would be awesome. It makes everything so much more intense.
permadeath would be a real rush but would not fit in Darkfall whereas you develop a character for a long time. Hoping bigtime beta happens in Oct. But until then I will be cautious personally
This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.
Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.
As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).
The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.
I got a chuckle from this reply. Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming. Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet. Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can. Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago. How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?
You people are clearly delusional over this title. I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots. Now they make one video and you want to annoint them? Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.
In other words.... you can't provide any proof, like I said. You just repeat your Darkfall hate mantra without investigating it. Thanks for proving my point.
I agree with most of the OP's sentiments. However Darkfall is vaporware if I've ever seen it. Trust me, it is very easy to work up a list of features and screenshots like that.
we just have to see wont we XDDDD
It's almost certainly not vaporware, yesterday they announced their US server host saying launch will be in 2008:
www.marketwatch.com/news/story/aventurine-launch-new-game-gnis/story.aspx