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Why no official forum?
Xtromass
Member Posts: 662
Why doesn't warhammer have this? DAoC didn't either. I think its so stupid and that it splits the community ;/
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Well all the devs post at warhammeralliance.com. It isn't stupid it is smart. Have you seen the WoW official forums?
Why does it always have to be WoW?
Yes, I have seen them, and I'd prefer to have a forum setup like that. Much more people in one spot, then people being split all over the place
Ummmmmmm... have you read any MMO forums? Including these? They are all 90% horrible and ALWAYS negative about the game.
The 10% who would post interesting, constructive and usable posts usually shy away because they are too busy playing.
Smart move really. forums are simply a whine fest. Prove me wrong by directing me to a MMO forums that are any different and I will agree with you.
Meanwhile read WoW, AoC, MMORPG, forums and see the crap pile up.
I prefer everyone split up...allows me to find a place to talk about the game & exchange information with people I get along with instead of dealing with the masses of asshats that appear on forum boards. Mythic posts everything we need to know about the game as far as server status, major issues patch info, leader boards etc on their main site which appears on all the other websites they dont need a big baby bitch cry forum for whiners that they have to waste time money and resources on.
Honestly this ia dead horse topic. Mythic ran DAOC without forums adn the game is still alive today...god...can we just officially ban people for posting this topic repeatedly..its nausating.
A site that is not owned by the game company can be more aggressive in moderating irrelevant and flame war topics. As Prof said.....look at WoW's boards.
The community isn't split at all. WoW still has boards on this site in addition to multiple other fansites....does that make it split because there is more than one message board?
People will read and post where there is traffic.
It doesn't have to be WoW I just assume that there is the greatest chance you would have seen that forum over another MMO with an official forum. This is what they consist of:
90% whine, 9% troll, 1% useful discussion which may rise to as much as 5% before the usefull discussors stop posting because of the other 95-99%.
Then you may even end up with devs listening to the 95-99% whiners and trolls and molding the game after these people.
All of this, and then realizing that official forums are supposed to be a representation of the game when only 5-10% of the player base actually post means that the representation of the game becomes the views of the 5-10% that post of which 95-99% are whiners and trolls and that is a gross misrepresentation.
Disclaimer: These statistics are not backed by hundreds of hours of surveying, but my personal experience on at least, but not limited to, three major MMO official forums.
Official forums do nothing but soak up resorces for a game. Seriously, there is never anything constructive on official forums. Most of it being whiners, flamers, and trolls alike. With no official forums there will be less mods devoting their time to locking usless complaint threads.
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I used to think official forums were better, but recent games have convinced me otherwise and I understand why Mythic chose to not have one.
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The good things about a officall forum is that everyone that wants to talk about the game knows where to go, and they can talk basically to the developers to help aid the game to bigger better things, yes some noobs go on there to flame others but thats what mods are for
Forums are the best way to ask for help or get guidence and share experiences, this making the community more friendly overall, even if the post was from a different race in game.
Having no forum makes ppl try and find others and then some end up on random forums that no one looks at, so gets no help, then giving up on the game.
Thats how I look at forums anyways.
www.warhammeralliance.com
Why does it always have to be WoW?
Yes, I have seen them, and I'd prefer to have a forum setup like that. Much more people in one spot, then people being split all over the place
all the crying, whining, l2p, in jokes, spam and rubbish. the threads with "blue please" and constant buff/nerf demands?
id rather have unoffical forums where the mods can get brutal without worrying about fans whining.
Given the tone of your posts.. don't ya think it's pretty understandable??
Too many MMO players are cry babies with nothing to contribute but filth about how they feel let down or somehow taken advantage of when a change happens to one of their classes. MMO players pay to play the company game, not the game you THINK should have been made.
Move along...
If only ALL MMO players were like you!! BUT they are not... I have all but given up on MMO's because of the communities... I know it's sad to let them run me off but there are many good single player games out there...lol
Warhammer has an official forums but it's for the "Class Leads", Devs, and Community Managers.
If you know how Mythic works they have the best player "intelligence gathering" system in any mmo that I have seen.
The class leads (which are players picked for their knowledge, participation in-game, and contribution on various forums) volunteer their time and directly send status reports on their class periodically.
Mythic wants multiple message boards so that they can have multiple opinions and sources. It's worked well for DAOC.
If you frequent any of the main message boards your topics will be usually be read by a class lead, maybe even a community manager, or a dev.
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Name one other major MMO that does not have its own forum. Sure, WoW's forums can be a mess, but Blizzard at least recognizes that the people who post on its forums are paying customers, period. Fansite forums are run by game supporters who often shade and filter things to appeal to the developers, because they are "FANS". They are biased in favor of the company and legitimate concerns can be squelched at the sole discretion of the site moderators who may simply disagree with them. They do not recognize the paying customer whose concerns are valid and deserve to be heard.
If I'm not mistaken, DAOC's class leads operated out of the Vault Network forums which were anything but fair or impartial. What is boils down to is that Mythic makes itself appear like it doesn't really care to have two-way communication with its player base. Could this be a reason why DAOC has been reduced to the state it's in now? These are different times and players have much different expectations now from when DAOC was launched. Mark needs to step up to the plate and admit this and quit relying on fansites to run interference for him. He has an undeserved reputation as a straight-talker. Time to live up to the hype.
And for those of you who say "it's too costly", may I submit that Mythic presumably spends a great deal of time and money on marketing "Road Trips" in the name of "Community Relations". Mark, your community is online. Traveling to various cities and holding little get-together with the diehard few who can attend such things is not community relations. It's making a token group of people feel special while you alienate the bulk of your player base. Communicate with us directly or Warhammer will dwindle from the same type of attrition that DAOC has. It's fun to be the maverick for a while, but EA won't watch you alienate paying customers without dropping the hammer on you. You may be in this for the love of the game, but the bottom line is all EA cares about.
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I for one think it's a great idea as it allows for fansites to flourish.
Perhaps they (Mythic) are working with game mechanics and changes and wouldn't mind someone else moderating forums. You know some folks like to rant and nitpick everything about these games over and over again and that takes forum moderators to help keep the post somewhat constructive.
No, no forums is good. You want to send in feedback? Use the ingame tool.
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Judging from your signature, Marz, I really wouldn't expect you to say otherwise.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
WHA is fine. Devs/CMs lurk enough there. Most official forums are:
OP. NERF X FFFFFS
R1. LOL OP U SUCK L2P ROFL!
R2. I AGREE, X IS SOOOO OP!
R3. HI GUIZE!
While on WHA, mods go a lil' bit too far sometimes, they are doing their work and when they change something, they can't blame Mythic directly for comunism, like people do with Funcom's mods(and soon Blizz CMs, they are going to enforce their modding on forums drastically)
I think it's a pretty smart idea.