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WAR is Dumbed Down WoW--Review
wozzu
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EQ1 people go on about how WoW is dumbed down. The EQ1 types having seen the worst yet. WAR is WoW simplified.
Most care about the pvp so I'll start there.
There are a bunch of combat features missing from WAR that are commonly found in most modern games. Fear, LOTRO has a fear mechanic. Feign death, LOTRO has feign so does EQ2. Blink or charge.
In WAR, it's your moment to shine. You'll be a pvp god. How? There are only 6 buttons to smash, damage, DOT, heal, HOT, buff, and debuff.
Everyone has a ton of health so as long as you aren't brain dead, you'll never die. Just run or heal yourself. Only those not paying attention in WAR die. One shotting? Try 1,032 shotting at a minimum.
We had an rvr match between two of us rune priests and two shaman. We gave up after five minutes of fighting and with full health bars. It's easier to kill a DPS class in WAR because they can't heal. Rune priests are the best tank in game.
PvE has been simplified. You don't need a mod, WAR points you in the right direction and quests are designed so that you can't fail.
The aggro radii on mobs is so tiny that your practically invisible.
Don't like groups? All that social interaction bothersome? WAR has done away with the need for groups. You'll never have to group for anything, you'll never have to talk to anyone for that matter. It's an online first person shooter.
Death penalty? Virtually non-existant. Need to get back to camp? Find something that will kill you.
Am I going to play it? Yes, am playing it at the moment, but the servers are down.
Why, you ask? The same reason I have a twinky after eating my vegetables.
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Fingis, is that you?
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sorry but war is no more dumbed down then wow. They are even. They both are simplified fun, one caters to pve, one to pvp, nothing more.
War is a dumbed down WoW but thats not a bad thing for everyone.
Love MMORPG reviews after 3 days of gameplay - particulary those focusing on the depth of the game.
please tell me how one is dumbed down over the other. Both are easy and quick to jump into and enjoy without needing a phd
I love how everything is a WoW clone and a dumbed down WoW. Frankly, if a game were a dumbed down WoW we would all start at cap with epic lewtz.
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What game were you playing? I'm finding that groups are the shit in RvR or scenarios. Get a good group together and you rule. Run around with no coordination, and you get demolished.
I have uninstalled already if I wanted to play wow id have logged on to wow
please tell me how one is dumbed down over the other. Both are easy and quick to jump into and enjoy without needing a phd
WAR PVE is far easier and just not as in depth or as good, it's basically solo kill quests to end level and public quests are just a grind for INF to get gear.
Crafting is even more dumbed down and has no purpose in the game.
Combat lacks depth to WOW and just take sout all the skills that require any thought and makes you bash the same spell chains over and over again.
Theres 4 archetypes in the game and this makes all the classes lack any depth like the unique ones in WOW.
Getting the best gear is soooo easy and everyone has the same shit throughout the tiers.
The world is laid out like a game instead of a online world where you have a linear path of progression to the end tiers.
Its just a simplified version of WOW and even the RVR is setup very much like a larger scale of AV.
So a game is dumbed down if it doesn't need a mod to do quests. Then WoW must be the best game ever based on the amount of mods for it. Any game that needs mods to dumb it down must be great!
I fail to see how some of these people hold WoW is such high praises. The community sucks, you can't raid with a new character because your labeled a "nub", No one groups early in the game, and if they do they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The endgame content is all the same crap over and over again with a slightly different script. There are endless faction grinds in place. Did I mention the community is full of asshats?
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Easy. Just depends on if you like solo MMORPGs or not. WoW is a great game for all the people that like to solo MMORPGs. Think about it. If you solo, who cares if you can't raid early on? Who cares if you don't need to group early on? Who cares if the community sucks? You're playing solo, so none of that matters.
Then, once they max level in WoW, they raid, since there's nothing else to do.
I HATE soloing MMORPGs, and grouping in WAR is fun, so I prefer it over WoW. But if you like to solo, WoW is definitely the game for you.
In a few years WOW will be considered hardcore. This only shows the slow but steady decline of the genre.
Decline for the ones that want a challenging experience in a virtual world, of course. If you want an easy fun game to spend a couple of hours now and then, the genre is shining now.
I have to agree Altair, sadly its true.
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please tell me how one is dumbed down over the other. Both are easy and quick to jump into and enjoy without needing a phd
That's the problem. Dev's are designing games for dumb people. They see how easy wow is and how many subs it has. Hopefully this trend stops with war and we can get some decent games. That's what killed swg, it was hard for people, so they looked towards the wow crowd and you have the nge.
If we can get rid of this "I want it now crowd" maybe, just maybe we'll get a decent mmo released.
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..ok yeah the pve secion of war lacks a little compared to wow..but did anyone here read the articles over the last 2 years..this is a pvp game with monsters put around that aspect
..the pve is mostly go kill this guy..go find this guy..who is usually a dead body on the ground so on and so forth..but it depicts the feeling of war well enough..but i digress..
..yes every toon is about the same because they are focused on pvp/rvr..how many times in wow does someone say omg so-n-so is op... ...or such-n-such is too strong.. ..hrmm..why is that cause like the war designers have stated wow is a pve game with pvp added..the characters ARE unique and as such are not balanced when doing pvp..
..dont forget that..wow is for people that like to pve and pvp when bored..war is for folks that like to pvp and know that when they beat someone it was cause they where better not that thier class was better..every single class in war can beat every single class one vs one..you cant say that about wow..
..and btw..rune priests are not tanks..you almost..almost sound like you have not put much time in the game.. feel free to let me have it..
..oh one more quick note..nobody said war would be a wow killer..if war usurps wow its cause of what the people wanted..not anything that war did..i feel they are 2 unique individual identities..ya know..apple oranges..so on and so forth.. .. ..
It's really our fault, the game devs are just making the kind of games that sells and easy games sell best.
Ok, Guildwars is both easy and really hard at the same time and it sells well. You have anly a few skills to use and not much uber gear either but anyone ever played it in hard mode knows that it's not an easy challange.
And I speak of PvE here since PvP is as hard as your opponent. But we do really need harder PvE in a modern game, my hope is to Guildwars 2 and maybe Spellborn (Can't say i played the last but it sounds great).
I was thinking about making a thread about this, but the OP already expressed how I feel about this game exactly.
In wow, you have to explore the game at the very least If you want to advance levels. All you do in war is queue up for scenerios rinse and repeat until max level, and you never have to leave your warcamp. Unless your lucky enough to pick a good server, few people now do quests or open world pvp even though that was the main selling point of this game. Theres no incentive to do anything else but scenerios since thats the fastest way to gain experience and renown. Very disappointing game after all the hype.
reading reviews that saying game X is a dumbed down version of game Y makes YOU dumber by purely just reading it
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please tell me how one is dumbed down over the other. Both are easy and quick to jump into and enjoy without needing a phd
WAR PVE is far easier and just not as in depth or as good, it's basically solo kill quests to end level and public quests are just a grind for INF to get gear.
Crafting is even more dumbed down and has no purpose in the game.
Combat lacks depth to WOW and just take sout all the skills that require any thought and makes you bash the same spell chains over and over again.
Theres 4 archetypes in the game and this makes all the classes lack any depth like the unique ones in WOW.
Getting the best gear is soooo easy and everyone has the same shit throughout the tiers.
The world is laid out like a game instead of a online world where you have a linear path of progression to the end tiers.
Its just a simplified version of WOW and even the RVR is setup very much like a larger scale of AV.
.. WoW only have 3 archives. DPS, healing, Tank.
And Why are you even posting here Papa? since you are clearly a WoW fnaboi.. Go back to there?
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please tell me how one is dumbed down over the other. Both are easy and quick to jump into and enjoy without needing a phd
WAR PVE is far easier and just not as in depth or as good, it's basically solo kill quests to end level and public quests are just a grind for INF to get gear.
Crafting is even more dumbed down and has no purpose in the game.
Combat lacks depth to WOW and just take sout all the skills that require any thought and makes you bash the same spell chains over and over again.
Theres 4 archetypes in the game and this makes all the classes lack any depth like the unique ones in WOW.
Getting the best gear is soooo easy and everyone has the same shit throughout the tiers.
The world is laid out like a game instead of a online world where you have a linear path of progression to the end tiers.
Its just a simplified version of WOW and even the RVR is setup very much like a larger scale of AV.
.. WoW only have 3 archives. DPS, healing, Tank.
And Why are you even posting here Papa? since you are clearly a WoW fnaboi.. Go back to there?
To keep things correct there. WOW has 3 other systems that are far more effective than any other MMO game has atm.
Buff system
Crowd control
Cleansing.
WAR has these systems to but they are weak atm and not balanced.
This does not mean I agree with the OP that WAR is a Dumb down WOW. There isn't a game out yet that can be more dumbed down that WOW. And WOLK will just increase that.
Sorry, but your doomsday prophesising that genre is in steady decline is poppycock. If you want sandbox style games like the days of old there are choices. I guess, looking at your portrait sig, you are bitter about previous changes in one of your games. Stop treating each new release as if it is the new, and only, industry standard that WILL shape EVERY new mmoRPG.
The mmoRPG genre is booming, and will grow further still. Yes you will see many more "starbucks" style games becuase that is what a majority of the consumer driven market want. You are no different than the rest of us that look back on older values and fashions in life and complain about "moderisation" and "youth culture".
As to the OP, yet another fool who fails, or chooses to ignore, what WAR is all about.
if you cant see the depth of WAR pvp combat and the need for skill, then please do me a favour and never get into a fight on my team.
please tell me how one is dumbed down over the other. Both are easy and quick to jump into and enjoy without needing a phd
WAR PVE is far easier and just not as in depth or as good, it's basically solo kill quests to end level and public quests are just a grind for INF to get gear.
Crafting is even more dumbed down and has no purpose in the game.
Combat lacks depth to WOW and just take sout all the skills that require any thought and makes you bash the same spell chains over and over again.
Theres 4 archetypes in the game and this makes all the classes lack any depth like the unique ones in WOW.
Getting the best gear is soooo easy and everyone has the same shit throughout the tiers.
The world is laid out like a game instead of a online world where you have a linear path of progression to the end tiers.
Its just a simplified version of WOW and even the RVR is setup very much like a larger scale of AV.
.. WoW only have 3 archives. DPS, healing, Tank.
And Why are you even posting here Papa? since you are clearly a WoW fnaboi.. Go back to there?
To keep things correct there. WOW has 3 other systems that are far more effective than any other MMO game has atm.
Buff system
Crowd control
Cleansing.
WAR has these systems to but they are weak atm and not balanced.
This does not mean I agree with the OP that WAR is a Dumb down WOW. There isn't a game out yet that can be more dumbed down that WOW. And WOLK will just increase that.
Asheron's call buff system is FAR superior to WoW.
WAR said it would NOT be a CC game because it wants the players to PLAY the game.. not be stun locked and die. Also, City of Heros CC is VERY much better.. (and they have a better buff system)
And by clensing, I assume you mean debuff removal? Yeah.. Again.. Asheron's call has "dispells" that remove debuffs..
WAR is not a complicated game. The game is supposed to be tactical.. This is what WoW lacks. WoW PvP is a solo mans dream.. Where as WARs is a generals dream.
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Sorry, but your doomsday prophesising that genre is in steady decline is poppycock. If you want sandbox style games like the days of old there are choices. I guess, looking at your portrait sig, you are bitter about previous changes in one of your games. Stop treating each new release as if it is the new, and only, industry standard that WILL shape EVERY new mmoRPG.
The mmoRPG genre is booming, and will grow further still. Yes you will see many more "starbucks" style games becuase that is what a majority of the consumer driven market want. You are no different than the rest of us that look back on older values and fashions in life and complain about "moderisation" and "youth culture".
As to the OP, yet another fool who fails, or chooses to ignore, what WAR is all about.
Yep mistify still more. War is about a crappy vesion of "group" PvP with a clunky animation and worse control.
Your avatar you are building is as original as that unpainterd miniature you had at the end of the row in WAR TT, that would be the first to set aside when you had a casualty in your ranks.
RvR is a buzz word for something there is hardly room for and In the end, the game doesn't walk like that Paul guy talked for years.
You know what astonishes me most? That the hype around War still IS there? Stll the defenders say things like 'that looks good, that should promise something, that is a great idea".
It's time you all wake up: the game IS published, play it. Good games don't need a defense.
Why defend if there is NO CC? Why defend if Order lost all Keep battles in the past 3 weeks? The game is good you say. Well play it, instead of still defending its (almost non existent) hyped features.
The MMORPG is indeed in trouble if new games need to be defended on such a large scale.
Good games are played, no defense needed, despite the hate campaigns. Just look at Wow.