Originally posted by ferghal if it's good, great, if it fails, boo hoo, but seriously leave the darkfall forums for discussion about the upcoming game by those who are interested in it instead of preaching your vapor theories ad infinitum
That's what the official forums are for. For the fanboys. Fanboys don't belong here if they can't handle truth that paints a less than rosy picture of their beloved project.
This place allows for both sides of a discussion. Not just "Darkfall has more features than World of Warcraft because I said so and I want it to be like that so it must be!"
I've never seen such blatent stupidity that this project has surrounding it in my life.
Despite the fact that you know jack about Aventurine financial background come here and be cheeky about your "FACTS" and your "TRUTH"..
Do you have anything else to present then trying to be loud and grumbly ?
common, tell us were Aventurine got the 10 million budget for producing this game? keep us DarkFall lovers, happy.
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are you seriously that hung up on this thing that you feel the need to proclaim its 'imminent failure' so vigorously? here's a question, if you believe its going to fail hard, thats cool...everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but why post so much about it? why do you feel you need to preach your opinion like a 12th century christian? if it's good, great, if it fails, boo hoo, but seriously leave the darkfall forums for discussion about the upcoming game by those who are interested in it instead of preaching your vapor theories ad infinitum
True. OP need to calm down. Get out and take some fresh air. Relax a little.
It's not good to sit on gamesites critizising games youre not the slightest interested in.
Its a odd behaviour.
Look arround on this board, im sure you can find a carebear game that fits your carebear playstyle.
Dont bother trying to convert the ones thats already seen the light.=)
I don't play WoW. Thanks anyway. I don't play any MMORPG's in fact. (assuming that this game even gets out a public Beta period without having to deal with hundreds fo bugs and issues that keep it from launching for another 2 years) this is exactly what's going to happen: There will be lots of people jumping into the free test period to see what's up. They may even get lots of players off the bat. Then after about a month the people that din't like it will be long gone and will never look back. Then a little while after that when the "newness" starts to wear off and the people that get tired of the mindless repetative combat will also leave and never look back. At about 6 months the player base will be no more than a few thousand accounts and in a years time the game will either go Free to play or shut down completely.
You are, oh whats is the word I am looking for... ah yes, IGNORANT.
Ignorant - 1) Lacking in knowledge or training.
2)Lacking in knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact.
3)Uninformed; unaware.
Everything you have said is nothing more than opinions, with lack of knowledge and intelligence about the game. (The key word you said yourself, "assuming") You lack the knowledge and training, based on the game itself. You have no real clue on the actual gameplay and the gaming experience, seeming you have never even played Darkfall. Therefore, my friend, you are totally unaware of just what the outcome of this game is really going to be.
if the gameplay is good, the game will not fail. there are more than enough players around who want real PVP and are sick of replaying the same scenarios and BGs in themepark games.
if the PVE and crafting are also good and griefing your own race is kept in check then this game could become very popular.
No sorry but they did not borrow 20 million Euros last year. They issued a convertible bond loan to try and sell convertible bonds. Do you even know what that is? Obviously not. It means you place up bonds for purchase, of course people have to actually "BUY" your bonds first.
They DID NOT get any kind a money loan. If you had any interest in "FACTS" and "TRUTH" rather than living in your Darkfall dream world for the last 7 years you would of known that already.
Oh god not the convertible bond loan argument again. Fail troll continues to fail.
"Aventurine recently obtained a €20 million convertible bond loan from Marfin Bank ." (this is differently worded from the original, which is what you're having an issue understanding... it is, however, accurate).
Let's go into what a convertible bond is:
A bond is simply a loan, but in the form of a security, although terminology used is rather different. The issuer is equivalent to the borrower, the bond holder to the lender, and the coupon to the interest. Bonds enable the issuer to finance long-term investments with external funds.
Also:
Convertible bonds allow issuers to issue debt at a relatively low cost. Typically, a convertible bond at issue may yield 1pct to 3pct less than what straight debt would yield.
Now lets go into what a convertible bond loan is: a loan through a bank with which to issue convertible bonds. In other words, they may issue convertible bonds up to 20mil euros through marfin bank. If I buy a car through a bank, that is taking a loan out to buy a car. So, ultimately, they've taken out a 20mil loan in that they can raise money (effectively for free at present though they'll be liable long-term) through that loan, and purchasers of those bonds can convert their bonds into stocks or can continue to earn revenue from them regardless. It belies your argument that the company is too small to succeed, because they are at least worth 20 mil on paper regardless of whether they've sold those bonds or are holding onto them... your quote states that a company has to be able to come up with 2.5 mil or so to succeed, as I prove further down they've already done that, they have to have more just to run the MMO, and they're worth 20mil on paper and have thus been enabled to raise that amount relatively easily for at least a full year.
On to the rest of your fail:
Yes I am "Fail Troll" because I pointed out the obvious uphill battle that this thing is going to face IF it ever actually sees the light of day. Hilarious. Which is still HEAVILY in question 3 months before it's supposed to launch..
Hmm eve online has more subscribers than ever, 250,000, which at 14.99 a month is 3,747,500 a month. Hell, UO has that many players. Darkfall will be at least tried by the 100,000 plus that have signed up on the forums (that's not including people that have left the forums) which means that it will start with more players than EvE did. All it has to do is not suck and it can keep a player base like that. It's not exactly a harsh market to be in.
The only failure I see here is you for pulling numbers straight out of your ass and trying to pass it off as fact when in reality there is nothing anywhere that says how much Aventurine spent on developing this.
"What's the budget of Darkfall so far, spent for development?
This game has yet to show that 95% of it's feature list even EXISTS and it's launching in 3 months?
Wow, 95%, really? Are you a math major at Fail University?
17 minutes of ingame footage shows a great deal of the features of the game implemented. Most of the ones it doesn't show are the easiest features to have in a game. What, are you worried it doesn't have FFA loot because it doesn't show someone being looted? Name any of the main features, they're in there.
Not even at this point has any credible editor even played this game or been invited to play and report on it publically. I wonder why???
I mean damn.. if it's so freakin A-mazing you would think that they would have every editor and gaming mag reporting on it 24/7 this close to a launch.
I see no pre launch hype.. all I see is more bullshit from the fanboys and the same from the devs.
If this game got the same hype as AoC with the servers in America just beginning installation and no pre-established expertise in running an MMO it would likely not bode well. A rush on servers does not a great first impression make, and it's harder to scale your servers down because of a fleeing fanbase than work your way up into one. Additionally, no game editors were invited to play AoC at first; they were put in rooms where they got to watch gameplay footage. Guess what? There's a 17 minute gameplay trailer that shows more than the leaked AoC conference gameplay vids did.
Oh and thanks for the personal mail. I've got all day to sit here and shoot trolls, and now I've pissed one off to the point he's getting personal. Must be getting stuffy in mommy's basement.
I can't believe anyone would even try to compare features in MMOs to WoW......
OBVIOUSLY if you think WoW has an amazing feature list, you haven't been playing MMOs for too long...
After repeating that empty statement for 10000 times are you not tired? Stop preaching one line bashing statement. Tell us what features are lacking that matters to you. Of the many things WoW implemented, how you do not like it.
Sandboxers are totally ridiculous and inconsistent people. They want a sandbox without restrictions, basically they just want a graphically painted world with nothing else so they can create their own content. Yet, when they run into the most popular MMO that scares the hell out of their chicken minds, they criticise WoW on what grounds? Lacking features?
WoW is the game right now with the largest followers. On the ground of equality of human beings, you are only 1 Mr Nobody and 10 million other Mr Nobody's have picked their choice. If you do not like WoW, leave. That is 1 vote against 10 million votes, each and every vote equally important. If I am a politician I will tend to respect the views of 10 million, if I am a business man I will more likely try to bid for the market of the 10 million. Because of what? because you are just a single Mr Nobody making a lot of noises trying to pretend to be bigger than what you actually are. But the mirror will not lie. Take a look at it.
Blah blah blah. Most people believed the earth was flat at one time. Now they play WoW.
I can't believe anyone would even try to compare features in MMOs to WoW......
OBVIOUSLY if you think WoW has an amazing feature list, you haven't been playing MMOs for too long...
After repeating that empty statement for 10000 times are you not tired? Stop preaching one line bashing statement. Tell us what features are lacking that matters to you. Of the many things WoW implemented, how you do not like it.
Sandboxers are totally ridiculous and inconsistent people. They want a sandbox without restrictions, basically they just want a graphically painted world with nothing else so they can create their own content. Yet, when they run into the most popular MMO that scares the hell out of their chicken minds, they criticise WoW on what grounds? Lacking features?
WoW is the game right now with the largest followers. On the ground of equality of human beings, you are only 1 Mr Nobody and 10 million other Mr Nobody's have picked their choice. If you do not like WoW, leave. That is 1 vote against 10 million votes, each and every vote equally important. If I am a politician I will tend to respect the views of 10 million, if I am a business man I will more likely try to bid for the market of the 10 million. Because of what? because you are just a single Mr Nobody making a lot of noises trying to pretend to be bigger than what you actually are. But the mirror will not lie. Take a look at it.
Blah blah blah. Most people believed the earth was flat at one time. Now they play WoW.
But Jacobs also believes that an independent studio like Mythic was in 2001 would not have that same ability in today's MMO market. Now, his company has the considerable backing of new owner Electronic Arts -- and those kinds of resources are necessary to compete in a post-WoW world, he says. "Back in 2001, you didn't have to spend anywhere near the amount of money you do on an MMO now," he points out. "Look at what we spent on Camelot: $2.5 million developing it, $650,000 in marketing it. You couldn't spend that on a triple-A MMO now if your life depended on it! You just couldn't! It would get you nothing in terms of content."
For that reason, Jacobs sees a hard road ahead for smaller companies like Funcom, which earlier this year launched Age of Conan.
So Funcom is considered a "small" company. Haha Than what does that make Aventurine? A company full of complete amateur developers who have never launched a single product on the market that anyone knows of let alone a MMORPG that is (on paper) supposed to be as feature rich as Wow? (ya right)
Way to create your account and post a flame on your first day. I am willing to bet this account is an alt! Didn't you say something about being a coward and hiding on an alt? Whatever. You're obviously bored.
ok well first off DF has more followers then aoc and war was ok but this is going back to the sandbox games that most of us all love. so DF will come out some people will hate it some will flame it but we all know that it will be the best game and people cryin cause hey cant hack it
I'm gonna ignore the arguments from people who are slagging the game (due to the game not being released and they are just flaming and causing hassle), i'm also gonna ignore some of the defensive arguments from the potential players of DFo as they don't realise the haters can't be converted or reasoned with.
with that said i'll have my 2 pence worth now.
Why do people think Darkfall will fail??
Because it's done by a small company? this may be the case but EVERY SINGLE company started somewhere and with only a small budget, this negates your arguments that it will fail due to it being done by a small company.
Because it promises mass features that some have said it can't "prove"? this one confuses me as no game can prove that it contains whats promised till beta or launch, therefore this itself is complete rubbish and not a reason why Darkfall will fail..
what does this leave? graphics.. as i've stated in many different topics for different games, graphics are nice to look at but don't MAKE or BREAK a game, CONTENT DOES...
So far all the arguments as to why the game will fail are complete rubbish when thought out properly. If people think the game will fail before it's even launched then why bother posting anything at all? why bother continuing to care about it? if your someone who thinks the game will fail before it's even launched (like the original poster) then fair enough, bugger off, leave the game alone and have fun in whatever else you do.
I'm gonna ignore the arguments from people who are slagging the game (due to the game not being released and they are just flaming and causing hassle), i'm also gonna ignore some of the defensive arguments from the potential players of DFo as they don't realise the haters can't be converted or reasoned with. with that said i'll have my 2 pence worth now. Why do people think Darkfall will fail?? Because it's done by a small company? this may be the case but EVERY SINGLE company started somewhere and with only a small budget, this negates your arguments that it will fail due to it being done by a small company. Because it promises mass features that some have said it can't "prove"? this one confuses me as no game can prove that it contains whats promised till beta or launch, therefore this itself is complete rubbish and not a reason why Darkfall will fail.. what does this leave? graphics.. as i've stated in many different topics for different games, graphics are nice to look at but don't MAKE or BREAK a game, CONTENT DOES... So far all the arguments as to why the game will fail are complete rubbish when thought out properly. If people think the game will fail before it's even launched then why bother posting anything at all? why bother continuing to care about it? if your someone who thinks the game will fail before it's even launched (like the original poster) then fair enough, bugger off, leave the game alone and have fun in whatever else you do.
I am not one to hope the game will fail. I do see a chance for it, but then again, that chance is there for every MMO being developed after all. However, he's what I think most people see as a "problem".
It's not one thing. It's the combination of things. A small company. In itself, that is, as you said, not a problem. Couple it however with the fact they are aiming to make one of the, if not THE most ambitious projects currently in development or even planned. It's one thing for a small team to develope a good game. It's quite another to create the second coming of MMO's.
It is possible they succeed and I certainly hope they will. As I've said beforse, it would bring fresh energy into the market and other companies might get off their lazy butts if they see something like DF succeed.
But the combination of 1) Small, unknown ev-Team, 2) Huge feature-list, bigger and more extensive than any before and 3) lack of tangible proof for a good part of these elements, these things combined make some people more than skeptic. Myself...I'll wait and see. It's really the best thing you can do right now.
I'm gonna ignore the arguments from people who are slagging the game (due to the game not being released and they are just flaming and causing hassle), i'm also gonna ignore some of the defensive arguments from the potential players of DFo as they don't realise the haters can't be converted or reasoned with. with that said i'll have my 2 pence worth now. Why do people think Darkfall will fail?? Because it's done by a small company? this may be the case but EVERY SINGLE company started somewhere and with only a small budget, this negates your arguments that it will fail due to it being done by a small company. Because it promises mass features that some have said it can't "prove"? this one confuses me as no game can prove that it contains whats promised till beta or launch, therefore this itself is complete rubbish and not a reason why Darkfall will fail.. what does this leave? graphics.. as i've stated in many different topics for different games, graphics are nice to look at but don't MAKE or BREAK a game, CONTENT DOES... So far all the arguments as to why the game will fail are complete rubbish when thought out properly. If people think the game will fail before it's even launched then why bother posting anything at all? why bother continuing to care about it? if your someone who thinks the game will fail before it's even launched (like the original poster) then fair enough, bugger off, leave the game alone and have fun in whatever else you do.
I am not one to hope the game will fail. I do see a chance for it, but then again, that chance is there for every MMO being developed after all. However, he's what I think most people see as a "problem".
It's not one thing. It's the combination of things. A small company. In itself, that is, as you said, not a problem. Couple it however with the fact they are aiming to make one of the, if not THE most ambitious projects currently in development or even planned. It's one thing for a small team to develope a good game. It's quite another to create the second coming of MMO's.
It is possible they succeed and I certainly hope they will. As I've said beforse, it would bring fresh energy into the market and other companies might get off their lazy butts if they see something like DF succeed.
But the combination of 1) Small, unknown ev-Team, 2) Huge feature-list, bigger and more extensive than any before and 3) lack of tangible proof for a good part of these elements, these things combined make some people more than skeptic. Myself...I'll wait and see. It's really the best thing you can do right now.
Aint that the truth, waiting and seeing is best way, but then you have all these nay sayers just because if it is successful not only will it give the SWG refugees like myself a potential new home but it could truelly revolutionise the industry, it scares some to think that a small company is capable of that i think.
Originally posted by TenSpotting Than what does that make Aventurine? A company full of complete amateur developers who have never launched a single product on the market that anyone knows of let alone a MMORPG that is (on paper) supposed to be as feature rich as Wow? (ya right)
WoW has absolutely no new features to speak of. Didn't innovate a single thing. Wasn't the first to have ANY of its "feature rich" content.
Aventurine will be successful if they deliver on their promises, simply because there is nothing out there like it at the moment, and people (at least a 150k on the forums) want to play it. They know they have a niche game, and they're producing it for love of the game, not love of the dollar.
So Funcom is considered a "small" company. Haha Than what does that make Aventurine? A company full of complete amateur developers who have never launched a single product on the market that anyone knows of let alone a MMORPG that is (on paper) supposed to be as feature rich as Wow? (ya right)
For that reason, Jacobs sees a hard road ahead for smaller companies like Funcom, which earlier this year launched Age of Conan.
But Jacobs also believes that an independent studio like Mythic was in 2001 would not have that same ability in today's MMO market. Now, his company has the considerable backing of new owner Electronic Arts -- and those kinds of resources are necessary to compete in a post-WoW world, he says. "Back in 2001, you didn't have to spend anywhere near the amount of money you do on an MMO now," he points out. "Look at what we spent on Camelot: $2.5 million developing it, $650,000 in marketing it. You couldn't spend that on a triple-A MMO now if your life depended on it! You just couldn't! It would get you nothing in terms of content."
What is your point with this thread?
They're a new company and this is their 1st MMORPG; you have nothing to base what they can or can't do on except the actions of other people and other companies that these people and this company had nothing to do with.
Is it possible that they will make a great game? Yes.
Is it possible that this game will be a stink bomb? Yes.
You have not invested anything in this game or with this company - none of us have.
Bottom line: the success of Darkfall will be healthy for the MMORPG genre but the failure of Darkfall will not make any difference in the MMORPG genre.
What's your problem?
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So Funcom is considered a "small" company. Haha Than what does that make Aventurine? A company full of complete amateur developers who have never launched a single product on the market that anyone knows of let alone a MMORPG that is (on paper) supposed to be as feature rich as Wow? (ya right)
For that reason, Jacobs sees a hard road ahead for smaller companies like Funcom, which earlier this year launched Age of Conan.
But Jacobs also believes that an independent studio like Mythic was in 2001 would not have that same ability in today's MMO market. Now, his company has the considerable backing of new owner Electronic Arts -- and those kinds of resources are necessary to compete in a post-WoW world, he says. "Back in 2001, you didn't have to spend anywhere near the amount of money you do on an MMO now," he points out. "Look at what we spent on Camelot: $2.5 million developing it, $650,000 in marketing it. You couldn't spend that on a triple-A MMO now if your life depended on it! You just couldn't! It would get you nothing in terms of content."
What is your point with this thread?
They're a new company and this is their 1st MMORPG; you have nothing to base what they can or can't do on except the actions of other people and other companies that these people and this company had nothing to do with.
Is it possible that they will make a great game? Yes.
Is it possible that this game will be a stink bomb? Yes.
You have not invested anything in this game or with this company - none of us have.
Bottom line: the success of Darkfall will be healthy for the MMORPG genre but the failure of Darkfall will not make any difference in the MMORPG genre.
What's your problem?
Wooo we have a winner here folks! Seriously if the game fails who cares, if its a success then we get a new game to play.
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I just think that darkfalls core fanbase has overhyped it to among themselfs, kind of like what AoC went through.
Im not really predicting a horrible launch like AoC, im just noting how this game has some pretty high bars to jump over.
You DF fans better hope they dont realease a game that dissapoints.
Youg guys would have been better of not overhyping the game because if the game turns out to be semi-awesom it wont be considerd a failure in the eyes of all the poeple who are preditcing this to be the holy grail of mmos.
I don't know why people have such a hard time believing in this game.
Mostly all the features devs have stated are in the game have been done before many times by small companies, just not all together in this combination.
It's not really as ambitious as people make it out to be.
If all the features are there, no matter how crudely implemented, then it's automatic win for most sandbox fans.
There is one thing people have to remember aswell and that is that this game has been in development for 7 years...... thats means they have had alot of time putting features and content in which is really good. Hopefully it will be feature complete at launch because of this. We can hope.
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That's what the official forums are for. For the fanboys. Fanboys don't belong here if they can't handle truth that paints a less than rosy picture of their beloved project. This place allows for both sides of a discussion. Not just "Darkfall has more features than World of Warcraft because I said so and I want it to be like that so it must be!" I've never seen such blatent stupidity that this project has surrounding it in my life.
So if you take it as your right to troll these forums and not let people have a decent disscussion why do you people whine because of the hostility you're met with on the official forums?
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That's what the official forums are for. For the fanboys. Fanboys don't belong here if they can't handle truth that paints a less than rosy picture of their beloved project. This place allows for both sides of a discussion. Not just "Darkfall has more features than World of Warcraft because I said so and I want it to be like that so it must be!" I've never seen such blatent stupidity that this project has surrounding it in my life.
So if you take it as your right to troll these forums and not let people have a decent disscussion why do you people whine because of the hostility you're met with on the official forums?
The trolls here are a form of ganker for all intents, they do not like people to enjoy themselves and definitly do not like people to have fun. Best to just ignore them as in these forums they add no value to discussion. Better places to be ... this is a place of ammusement.
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The professional Beta/Alpha testers have been in use for a long time now, they have been ironing out all of the bugs... you only expect a huge list of bugs from a game which hasn't done with for a lengthy period in advanced.
Considering you've never played WoW, you have no idea how repetitive and boring it is.
Any game coming soon which offers a change will be a breath of fresh air for any MMO'er.
Darkfall in my opinion will not be a WoW breaker however it will be just what we've been expecting, but far from perfect I don't believe they've eliminated the 'grind' only severly reduced it.
The video you say shows or proves nothing, yet it proves so much... or atleast clarifies features.
Banking, fighting, mount fighting, ship battles, crafting, city sieging, PvE, physics in game, how beautiful the terrain is.
Ok the animations aren't upto the "WoW standard" but they've done that on purpose to remove the lag from 200 v 200 battles +
No game out today can offer such epic PvP, this is why Darkfall will probably succeed.. if not for it's epic PvP for it's complex economical system or it's state of the art PvE with world bosses, huge dungeons, wordstones, demi-gods, advanced AI.
Your lack of faith isn't disturbing, I've seen it before however your lack of knowledge on the subject is.
Fact: Darkfall is feature complete with all known features functioning as intended. Fact: Darkfall has more features than WoW. Fact: Darkfall has revolutionary PvE and AI as well as world PvP Proof: http://www.lordsofdeath.com/www/?p=12 Asp has indeed played the game and he's answering questions here. Yellowbear has also played the game and confirms the fact it's feature complete. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=60921 The professional Beta/Alpha testers have been in use for a long time now, they have been ironing out all of the bugs... you only expect a huge list of bugs from a game which hasn't done with for a lengthy period in advanced.
Look someone made a funny. Thanks for the laugh and your "proof".
I have proof of God too. It's called the Bible.
If you seriously believe the shit you just type up I feel real sorry for you.
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That's what the official forums are for. For the fanboys. Fanboys don't belong here if they can't handle truth that paints a less than rosy picture of their beloved project.
This place allows for both sides of a discussion. Not just "Darkfall has more features than World of Warcraft because I said so and I want it to be like that so it must be!"
I've never seen such blatent stupidity that this project has surrounding it in my life.
Despite the fact that you know jack about Aventurine financial background come here and be cheeky about your "FACTS" and your "TRUTH"..
Do you have anything else to present then trying to be loud and grumbly ?
common, tell us were Aventurine got the 10 million budget for producing this game? keep us DarkFall lovers, happy.
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True. OP need to calm down. Get out and take some fresh air. Relax a little.
It's not good to sit on gamesites critizising games youre not the slightest interested in.
Its a odd behaviour.
Look arround on this board, im sure you can find a carebear game that fits your carebear playstyle.
Dont bother trying to convert the ones thats already seen the light.=)
Your waisting your time.
You are, oh whats is the word I am looking for... ah yes, IGNORANT.
Ignorant - 1) Lacking in knowledge or training.
2)Lacking in knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact.
3)Uninformed; unaware.
Everything you have said is nothing more than opinions, with lack of knowledge and intelligence about the game. (The key word you said yourself, "assuming") You lack the knowledge and training, based on the game itself. You have no real clue on the actual gameplay and the gaming experience, seeming you have never even played Darkfall. Therefore, my friend, you are totally unaware of just what the outcome of this game is really going to be.
Have a nice day!
if the gameplay is good, the game will not fail. there are more than enough players around who want real PVP and are sick of replaying the same scenarios and BGs in themepark games.
if the PVE and crafting are also good and griefing your own race is kept in check then this game could become very popular.
that is all.
I don't understand OP's grudge with Darkfall, nor him being here at MMORPG.com.
He does no play MMORPG's, so why is he here? Simple, to start an arguement since he's miserable about his life and must find some fullfillment.
Either we just ignore him or we help him by feeding him crap so his wrists stays intact.
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Originally posted by failtroll:
No sorry but they did not borrow 20 million Euros last year. They issued a convertible bond loan to try and sell convertible bonds. Do you even know what that is? Obviously not. It means you place up bonds for purchase, of course people have to actually "BUY" your bonds first.
They DID NOT get any kind a money loan. If you had any interest in "FACTS" and "TRUTH" rather than living in your Darkfall dream world for the last 7 years you would of known that already.
Oh god not the convertible bond loan argument again. Fail troll continues to fail.
"Aventurine recently obtained a €20 million convertible bond loan from Marfin Bank ." (this is differently worded from the original, which is what you're having an issue understanding... it is, however, accurate).
Let's go into what a convertible bond is:
A bond is simply a loan, but in the form of a security, although terminology used is rather different. The issuer is equivalent to the borrower, the bond holder to the lender, and the coupon to the interest. Bonds enable the issuer to finance long-term investments with external funds.
Also:
Convertible bonds allow issuers to issue debt at a relatively low cost. Typically, a convertible bond at issue may yield 1pct to 3pct less than what straight debt would yield.
Now lets go into what a convertible bond loan is: a loan through a bank with which to issue convertible bonds. In other words, they may issue convertible bonds up to 20mil euros through marfin bank. If I buy a car through a bank, that is taking a loan out to buy a car. So, ultimately, they've taken out a 20mil loan in that they can raise money (effectively for free at present though they'll be liable long-term) through that loan, and purchasers of those bonds can convert their bonds into stocks or can continue to earn revenue from them regardless. It belies your argument that the company is too small to succeed, because they are at least worth 20 mil on paper regardless of whether they've sold those bonds or are holding onto them... your quote states that a company has to be able to come up with 2.5 mil or so to succeed, as I prove further down they've already done that, they have to have more just to run the MMO, and they're worth 20mil on paper and have thus been enabled to raise that amount relatively easily for at least a full year.
On to the rest of your fail:
Yes I am "Fail Troll" because I pointed out the obvious uphill battle that this thing is going to face IF it ever actually sees the light of day. Hilarious. Which is still HEAVILY in question 3 months before it's supposed to launch..
Hmm eve online has more subscribers than ever, 250,000, which at 14.99 a month is 3,747,500 a month. Hell, UO has that many players. Darkfall will be at least tried by the 100,000 plus that have signed up on the forums (that's not including people that have left the forums) which means that it will start with more players than EvE did. All it has to do is not suck and it can keep a player base like that. It's not exactly a harsh market to be in.
The only failure I see here is you for pulling numbers straight out of your ass and trying to pass it off as fact when in reality there is nothing anywhere that says how much Aventurine spent on developing this.
"What's the budget of Darkfall so far, spent for development?
Many millions of Euro, something short of 10M."
Translated from the original Greek.
This game has yet to show that 95% of it's feature list even EXISTS and it's launching in 3 months?
Wow, 95%, really? Are you a math major at Fail University?
17 minutes of ingame footage shows a great deal of the features of the game implemented. Most of the ones it doesn't show are the easiest features to have in a game. What, are you worried it doesn't have FFA loot because it doesn't show someone being looted? Name any of the main features, they're in there.
Not even at this point has any credible editor even played this game or been invited to play and report on it publically. I wonder why???
I mean damn.. if it's so freakin A-mazing you would think that they would have every editor and gaming mag reporting on it 24/7 this close to a launch.
I see no pre launch hype.. all I see is more bullshit from the fanboys and the same from the devs.
If this game got the same hype as AoC with the servers in America just beginning installation and no pre-established expertise in running an MMO it would likely not bode well. A rush on servers does not a great first impression make, and it's harder to scale your servers down because of a fleeing fanbase than work your way up into one. Additionally, no game editors were invited to play AoC at first; they were put in rooms where they got to watch gameplay footage. Guess what? There's a 17 minute gameplay trailer that shows more than the leaked AoC conference gameplay vids did.
Oh and thanks for the personal mail. I've got all day to sit here and shoot trolls, and now I've pissed one off to the point he's getting personal. Must be getting stuffy in mommy's basement.
BTW, my new sig is going to be:
Originally posted by TenSpotting
Yes I am "Fail Troll"
After repeating that empty statement for 10000 times are you not tired? Stop preaching one line bashing statement. Tell us what features are lacking that matters to you. Of the many things WoW implemented, how you do not like it.
Sandboxers are totally ridiculous and inconsistent people. They want a sandbox without restrictions, basically they just want a graphically painted world with nothing else so they can create their own content. Yet, when they run into the most popular MMO that scares the hell out of their chicken minds, they criticise WoW on what grounds? Lacking features?
WoW is the game right now with the largest followers. On the ground of equality of human beings, you are only 1 Mr Nobody and 10 million other Mr Nobody's have picked their choice. If you do not like WoW, leave. That is 1 vote against 10 million votes, each and every vote equally important. If I am a politician I will tend to respect the views of 10 million, if I am a business man I will more likely try to bid for the market of the 10 million. Because of what? because you are just a single Mr Nobody making a lot of noises trying to pretend to be bigger than what you actually are. But the mirror will not lie. Take a look at it.
Blah blah blah. Most people believed the earth was flat at one time. Now they play WoW.
Epic line is epic.
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Darkfall wins. Vaportrolls lose.
After repeating that empty statement for 10000 times are you not tired? Stop preaching one line bashing statement. Tell us what features are lacking that matters to you. Of the many things WoW implemented, how you do not like it.
Sandboxers are totally ridiculous and inconsistent people. They want a sandbox without restrictions, basically they just want a graphically painted world with nothing else so they can create their own content. Yet, when they run into the most popular MMO that scares the hell out of their chicken minds, they criticise WoW on what grounds? Lacking features?
WoW is the game right now with the largest followers. On the ground of equality of human beings, you are only 1 Mr Nobody and 10 million other Mr Nobody's have picked their choice. If you do not like WoW, leave. That is 1 vote against 10 million votes, each and every vote equally important. If I am a politician I will tend to respect the views of 10 million, if I am a business man I will more likely try to bid for the market of the 10 million. Because of what? because you are just a single Mr Nobody making a lot of noises trying to pretend to be bigger than what you actually are. But the mirror will not lie. Take a look at it.
Blah blah blah. Most people believed the earth was flat at one time. Now they play WoW.
Thats a very good comparison.
Have a nice day
Way to create your account and post a flame on your first day. I am willing to bet this account is an alt! Didn't you say something about being a coward and hiding on an alt? Whatever. You're obviously bored.
ok well first off DF has more followers then aoc and war was ok but this is going back to the sandbox games that most of us all love. so DF will come out some people will hate it some will flame it but we all know that it will be the best game and people cryin cause hey cant hack it
I'm gonna ignore the arguments from people who are slagging the game (due to the game not being released and they are just flaming and causing hassle), i'm also gonna ignore some of the defensive arguments from the potential players of DFo as they don't realise the haters can't be converted or reasoned with.
with that said i'll have my 2 pence worth now.
Why do people think Darkfall will fail??
Because it's done by a small company? this may be the case but EVERY SINGLE company started somewhere and with only a small budget, this negates your arguments that it will fail due to it being done by a small company.
Because it promises mass features that some have said it can't "prove"? this one confuses me as no game can prove that it contains whats promised till beta or launch, therefore this itself is complete rubbish and not a reason why Darkfall will fail..
what does this leave? graphics.. as i've stated in many different topics for different games, graphics are nice to look at but don't MAKE or BREAK a game, CONTENT DOES...
So far all the arguments as to why the game will fail are complete rubbish when thought out properly. If people think the game will fail before it's even launched then why bother posting anything at all? why bother continuing to care about it? if your someone who thinks the game will fail before it's even launched (like the original poster) then fair enough, bugger off, leave the game alone and have fun in whatever else you do.
I am not one to hope the game will fail. I do see a chance for it, but then again, that chance is there for every MMO being developed after all. However, he's what I think most people see as a "problem".
It's not one thing. It's the combination of things. A small company. In itself, that is, as you said, not a problem. Couple it however with the fact they are aiming to make one of the, if not THE most ambitious projects currently in development or even planned. It's one thing for a small team to develope a good game. It's quite another to create the second coming of MMO's.
It is possible they succeed and I certainly hope they will. As I've said beforse, it would bring fresh energy into the market and other companies might get off their lazy butts if they see something like DF succeed.
But the combination of 1) Small, unknown ev-Team, 2) Huge feature-list, bigger and more extensive than any before and 3) lack of tangible proof for a good part of these elements, these things combined make some people more than skeptic. Myself...I'll wait and see. It's really the best thing you can do right now.
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Final Fantasy 7
I am not one to hope the game will fail. I do see a chance for it, but then again, that chance is there for every MMO being developed after all. However, he's what I think most people see as a "problem".
It's not one thing. It's the combination of things. A small company. In itself, that is, as you said, not a problem. Couple it however with the fact they are aiming to make one of the, if not THE most ambitious projects currently in development or even planned. It's one thing for a small team to develope a good game. It's quite another to create the second coming of MMO's.
It is possible they succeed and I certainly hope they will. As I've said beforse, it would bring fresh energy into the market and other companies might get off their lazy butts if they see something like DF succeed.
But the combination of 1) Small, unknown ev-Team, 2) Huge feature-list, bigger and more extensive than any before and 3) lack of tangible proof for a good part of these elements, these things combined make some people more than skeptic. Myself...I'll wait and see. It's really the best thing you can do right now.
Aint that the truth, waiting and seeing is best way, but then you have all these nay sayers just because if it is successful not only will it give the SWG refugees like myself a potential new home but it could truelly revolutionise the industry, it scares some to think that a small company is capable of that i think.
WoW has absolutely no new features to speak of. Didn't innovate a single thing. Wasn't the first to have ANY of its "feature rich" content.
Aventurine will be successful if they deliver on their promises, simply because there is nothing out there like it at the moment, and people (at least a 150k on the forums) want to play it. They know they have a niche game, and they're producing it for love of the game, not love of the dollar.
Darkfall Travelogues!
What is your point with this thread?
They're a new company and this is their 1st MMORPG; you have nothing to base what they can or can't do on except the actions of other people and other companies that these people and this company had nothing to do with.
Is it possible that they will make a great game? Yes.
Is it possible that this game will be a stink bomb? Yes.
You have not invested anything in this game or with this company - none of us have.
Bottom line: the success of Darkfall will be healthy for the MMORPG genre but the failure of Darkfall will not make any difference in the MMORPG genre.
What's your problem?
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
What is your point with this thread?
They're a new company and this is their 1st MMORPG; you have nothing to base what they can or can't do on except the actions of other people and other companies that these people and this company had nothing to do with.
Is it possible that they will make a great game? Yes.
Is it possible that this game will be a stink bomb? Yes.
You have not invested anything in this game or with this company - none of us have.
Bottom line: the success of Darkfall will be healthy for the MMORPG genre but the failure of Darkfall will not make any difference in the MMORPG genre.
What's your problem?
Wooo we have a winner here folks! Seriously if the game fails who cares, if its a success then we get a new game to play.
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I just think that darkfalls core fanbase has overhyped it to among themselfs, kind of like what AoC went through.
Im not really predicting a horrible launch like AoC, im just noting how this game has some pretty high bars to jump over.
You DF fans better hope they dont realease a game that dissapoints.
Youg guys would have been better of not overhyping the game because if the game turns out to be semi-awesom it wont be considerd a failure in the eyes of all the poeple who are preditcing this to be the holy grail of mmos.
I don't know why people have such a hard time believing in this game.
Mostly all the features devs have stated are in the game have been done before many times by small companies, just not all together in this combination.
It's not really as ambitious as people make it out to be.
If all the features are there, no matter how crudely implemented, then it's automatic win for most sandbox fans.
There is one thing people have to remember aswell and that is that this game has been in development for 7 years...... thats means they have had alot of time putting features and content in which is really good. Hopefully it will be feature complete at launch because of this. We can hope.
So if you take it as your right to troll these forums and not let people have a decent disscussion why do you people whine because of the hostility you're met with on the official forums?
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
So if you take it as your right to troll these forums and not let people have a decent disscussion why do you people whine because of the hostility you're met with on the official forums?
The trolls here are a form of ganker for all intents, they do not like people to enjoy themselves and definitly do not like people to have fun. Best to just ignore them as in these forums they add no value to discussion. Better places to be ... this is a place of ammusement.
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Fact: Darkfall is feature complete with all known features functioning as intended.
Fact: Darkfall has more features than WoW.
Fact: Darkfall has revolutionary PvE and AI as well as world PvP
Proof:
http://www.lordsofdeath.com/www/?p=12
Asp has indeed played the game and he's answering questions here.
Yellowbear has also played the game and confirms the fact it's feature complete.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=60921
The professional Beta/Alpha testers have been in use for a long time now, they have been ironing out all of the bugs... you only expect a huge list of bugs from a game which hasn't done with for a lengthy period in advanced.
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Considering you've never played WoW, you have no idea how repetitive and boring it is.
Any game coming soon which offers a change will be a breath of fresh air for any MMO'er.
Darkfall in my opinion will not be a WoW breaker however it will be just what we've been expecting, but far from perfect I don't believe they've eliminated the 'grind' only severly reduced it.
The video you say shows or proves nothing, yet it proves so much... or atleast clarifies features.
Banking, fighting, mount fighting, ship battles, crafting, city sieging, PvE, physics in game, how beautiful the terrain is.
Ok the animations aren't upto the "WoW standard" but they've done that on purpose to remove the lag from 200 v 200 battles +
No game out today can offer such epic PvP, this is why Darkfall will probably succeed.. if not for it's epic PvP for it's complex economical system or it's state of the art PvE with world bosses, huge dungeons, wordstones, demi-gods, advanced AI.
Your lack of faith isn't disturbing, I've seen it before however your lack of knowledge on the subject is.
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This is coming from someone who probably won't buy the game. Lets just put it that way.
Look someone made a funny. Thanks for the laugh and your "proof".
I have proof of God too. It's called the Bible.
If you seriously believe the shit you just type up I feel real sorry for you.
You feel sorry for me because I believe the words of Two community members who have actually played the game..
and the professional testers who have spent months on months finding bugs?
Damn you must feel so sorry for me.
Those two community members were not lying about playing the game, it was indeed confirmed by the Devs.