I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either. The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.
*Laughs*
Two days and your post is out-of-date.
Love the ex-WoW players. Can always tell as they try to Bunny-Hop their way to victory in WAR. Or wonder why they cannot take down a Tank backed by a Healer, at all. Or are puzzled when the old 'run-through-the-enemy, spin and hit' no longer works.
Need a new way to think and play for WAR. Unlike Bliz, Mythic has been at PvP as its main-line play model for many, many years. This is NOT a 1-1 PvP game. It is a Many on Many RvR game. Without thinking and teamwork, you are toast in RvR and Scenarios, if you are up against a real RvR Team.
don't get why people compare or diss either game. for starters there completely different. Second WoWs been out for how many years now!? Of course theres more content. Honestly I'll never bad mouth a game thats successful and fun which both these titles are. To be honest the only game ive ever talked smack about is AoC and for very very very good reason. I WANT MY $50 BACK YOU FAILCOM REJECTS!
Oh and about the gold spammers like i said before just report them and then they get banned. Blizzard doesnt even ban the buggers and there more rampant in their game than in most f2p games
I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either. The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.
You know what ? Since some have forgotten ?? WOW had the same problems with these issues!
And yet people just go around trying to bring down a New game cause THE KING of MMOS The Only True Game is World Of Warcraft, is the only game to set years beyond the gaming..
Im sorry you feel this way, do me a faver just stop now and wait for the game to be out as long as WOW to go around sending out a message that War is .. Bad and it dont have this or that !
If you dont like a game? Cool with me just stop these kind of Events to pull people out to make up there minds from what you have to say is bad..
Everyone has rights to say what they want, just that your upset over gold sellers, is not a reason to call out that its the end of things ?
So if you dont like what i said here.. Fine with me, just stop this, were all gamers and we need to just get along here..
Secondly, I didn't "come to the WoW forums" to poke prods at the WoW beasts. What I did do is see a post on the main page of mmorpg.com (a public site, last time I checked) and responded to what someone was saying about WAR being a huge letdown, and why it wasn't for me. Well, on the way to do that, I got sidetracked by Pappy's outline of what was bad about WAR that was better in WoW. So I added my two or three cents.
I owe you an apology then. I didn't know this thread started on the main forums and was moved here, it was already here when I posted. That has happened to me as well and I HATE that they do that. In fact I started a thread here in the WoW forums about War (because I was trying to inform the WoW players, not stir up trouble in the War forums) and they moved it to the War Forums. I was furious and went and deleted all my comments, so I sympathize.
Just wanted you to know I have not taken offense to anything you have said. You've debated the points well. I love a good debate.
I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either. The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.
*Laughs*
Two days and your post is out-of-date.
Love the ex-WoW players. Can always tell as they try to Bunny-Hop their way to victory in WAR. Or wonder why they cannot take down a Tank backed by a Healer, at all. Or are puzzled when the old 'run-through-the-enemy, spin and hit' no longer works.
Need a new way to think and play for WAR. Unlike Bliz, Mythic has been at PvP as its main-line play model for many, many years. This is NOT a 1-1 PvP game. It is a Many on Many RvR game. Without thinking and teamwork, you are toast in RvR and Scenarios, if you are up against a real RvR Team.
Amen to that Shoal !
Like ive been saying if you dont like the game, why be bashing it ? Just go play?? You feel much better with some Cookies and Milk..
The points made are valid, to the poster, and I've no problem with them. The problem I see is still the old "Can't compare to WoW" crap that's representative of the same love/hate between different mmo players and their respective choices. You prefer WoW to WAR? Fine, by all means stay there and enjoy yourselves. Just don't say it's better because you hated WAR. They aren't in the same genre pf gameplay. WoW's PvP isn't bad to some, but it isn't what alot of PvPers want, so they prefer WAR for their PvP...Who cares?! I've played WoW, now am playing WAR because it is different...will I play WAR in a year's time? Don't know, but it's not because of someone's lame attempt of comparing it to WoW, or LOTRO that will stop me. I don't play WoW anymore because it got boring for me. FOR ME. Never will I say it's a boring game. Not the same thing, only ignorant rants say otherwise. Why does anyone start playing, and PAYING for a new game if they're into another? What's the reasoning? To try it only to 'prove' their other game is better? Was it really to try something new? Would you have left your other game had it been to your liking? If not, then you should just chalk it up as an experience and move on. If you really hated it, without knowing what you were getting into, then you wasted your money on it, with a bad after-taste in your mouth, and the only one to blame is yourself. (Not directed at anyone in particular) I like some of the drama on these forums, but this constant squabble of which game is better is really pathetic. Play your game and let the other guy worry about where he's spending his 15$/month on.
The answer is very simple really.
WAR does NOT meet the standards set out by Blizzard 4 years ago AND upgraded 2 years ago.
If you do not want to play with the present day standards . OK np, fine by me, but WAR lacks about everyhting Wow (and other MMORPG's) even have standard.
Everyone will and can be the judge, but the qualtiy differences are SOOO huge and just can't be neglected.
Go and have a look at HOW Bliizard tackled the fighting animations and then look at War. In the end the buying public will be the judge. And there a dozens and dozens of these kind of polishment differences.
If YOU want to pay for far less in WAR and its end game ... NP It is YOUR money.
Thank you for that, it IS my money and I will spend it how I see fit.
I can 'neglect' the anomalies just fine, since I know WAR just released and time will smooth out these things, just like Blizz did four years ago. If they don't...I still enjoyed myself enough to make it worth the money I spent.
I have played WoW since release, on and off to about a month ago. I've had enough, and won't bother getting into it. Won't go back. End of story. I don't, nor will I ever bash WoW, since it has provided me with such a long period of enjoyment, but like everything...it has had its time with me.
We can argree to disagree, and I hope you'll find peace someday, as you seem to be a little agitated for some reason...
You know what ? Since some have forgotten ?? WOW had the same problems with these issues! And you know what? WoW has been crucified over the last 4 years for having said problems. Cut us a little slack. All we are doing is pointing out what has been pointed out ad infinitum to us. You can't have it both ways. It's been used countless times as a flaw for WoW. Well if that's true then it's also a flaw of War. If it's not a problem for War, then it's never been a problem for WoW. You choose, just don't expect everyone to agree with you.
don't get why people compare or diss either game. for starters there completely different. Second WoWs been out for how many years now!? Of course theres more content. Honestly I'll never bad mouth a game thats successful and fun which both these titles are. To be honest the only game ive ever talked smack about is AoC and for very very very good reason. I WANT MY $50 BACK YOU FAILCOM REJECTS! Oh and about the gold spammers like i said before just report them and then they get banned. Blizzard doesnt even ban the buggers and there more rampant in their game than in most f2p games
I disagree. The games are NOT completely different. They are in fact VERY much alike and once WoTLK is released they will be even more similar. In some people's opinion they are very different, but the people who think that don't like one game or the other very much for whatever reason. I happen to like both games quite a bit. I still think that WoW is better, but I have said before that I think War is the best post WoW MMO that has come out.
I'm not trying to keep people from playing the game. I am in fact playing it myself and I'm on the fence whether or not I will renew my subscription, however I don't believe the game is flawless. It needs some polishing and a few things need to be corrected to get it to where WoW is now. And yes, I realize that WoW has had 4 years to polish their game, but the fact of the matter remains that WoW is a more polished game at the moment and I'm not convinced at this point that it will ever surpass WoW in that regard.
I'm here merely to give people my honest opinion on the game and let those that have not had the chance to play the game hear about the game and what they can expect from the game should they choose to try it. I have discussed some things I like and some things I don't like. Most people here recognize that I am in fact a WoW fan. For a WoW fan to come here and say the game is pretty good should make you War fans happy, but alas, unless I apparently say that War is the best game on the planet, I continue to be nothing but a WoW fan to you. Sorry that you feel that way, but I really don't care because I'm not here for your benefit. I think the people who frequent this forum because they enjoy WoW see it for what it is, just one person's opinion on the competition.
So for the record, I like the game, but I don't like it better than WoW. I also think it has a ton of potential to get better and perhaps be just as good as WoW one day, but it's definately not there yet. I also have not played WoTLK, but I have read enough about it to know that I like some of the ideas that have been introduced by it and look forward to giving it a shot. My personal opinion is that people should stick with WoW if they enjoy it. If they do not like WoW, then I would recommend War over any other MMO on the market today.
If you don't think that's a fair review of the game, then you're more biased than I am.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
P.S. WoW also bans gold spammers and actually the gold spammers are worse in War right now. I think that's probably just because the game is new and will probably die down some in a couple months and they won't be any more a problem in War than any other game.
EVERY game has flaws. Some have more than others. What's your point?
Actually that's what im trying to figure out, both sides keep throwing flaws into each others face i'm just wondering now that we know they both have flaws now what?
the topic of flaws in both games has pretty much been beaten to death imo.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
EVERY game has flaws. Some have more than others. What's your point?
Actually that's what im trying to figure out, both sides keep throwing flaws into each others face i'm just wondering now that we know they both have flaws now what?
the topic of flaws in both games has pretty much been beaten to death imo.
Well I can only speak for myself, but the purpose of my comments are to inform those who have not played it what War is like. I have seen very few rebuttals to most of the points I have made. There have been a few and I've modified my initial comments where I felt someone actually attempted to refute me. Most of my initial comments stand and have not been refuted by anyone. A few of my points have even been conceded by those who have refuted other points. In my opinion that means that my comments are a fair commentary on the game as it exists today.
Granted I did not go into every facet of the game, because for the most part the game is what you would expect. An MMO is an MMO for the most part. Most of them are very much alike. Even the developer of War agrees with me there stating that approximately 80% of the game is nothing new if I'm correct. I've tried to comment on the parts of the game that I felt needed some work. Not all of my comments about the game are in this thread alone, I only listed off the things I didn't like here because it was more in line with the original thread's purpose. Since then I've tried to add some things to this thread of what I do like to balance that somewhat.
I don't feel like arguing or anything, but WAR is not a let down in any way shape or form unless you have prior expectations and the game is not what you want it to be.
WAR is a great game, and there are many people who will find it ridiculously fun. Maybe for those who have played WoW for a long time it isn't fun, and maybe it is, but I know I couldn't play WoW for more than a few weeks, and I've already played WAR far longer.
Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your WoW because it's a great game. No need to slam WAR because it's a great game also.
If these Wow, War and AoC would have come out at the same time, nobody would even talk about the latter 2.
Correction mate.
The reason that all new mmo's fail is that all are comparing them with wow as it is now after 3.5 y of improvement . Wow last 3 years has set the standards very high and with the continual additions ,improvments its very hard for an mmo at launch to be compared with the 3.5 years of improvement wow .
If all 3 thoguh were launched together with wow as it was at start = only pve to do around , no pvp at all no battlegrounds, no arena no nothing in pvp and only random kils outdoors it wouldnt stand a chance vs AOC or WAR . only by seeing a palyer wow graficks and no pvp they would go all halfway to WAR or AOC
Except you can't actually fight over the world because you can't capture anything worthwhile in PvP engame and all the endgame PvP that matters is instanced. LMAO. DAOC had underwater fighting and it was what how 8 years ago? can't even remember lmao. He has a point flying over places is boring to some. I personally go get a drink when I have to fly on a flight path. do you sit at your computer the whole time during the few minutes watching the flight everytime? Pls answer this
> the point is very simple Fuzztalk....
and maybe your braincells don't seem to capture the fact that :
to create a full 3D world you actualy can fly over and land anywhere you want without a loading screen in sight you walk and walk without any loading screens, then you decide to enter a random cave and.. voi la! instance loading screen! , is MILES above the crap 2D animated loading screens so you're saying that you wanted 3D loading screens? I'm wordless! you get in WAR.
I'm afraid to tell you that flying mounts weren't a launch feature. It also looks like you haven't notice how ridiculous you look by saying all that. You're being COMPLETELY biased, it's like saying "pong is better than WoW because WoW doesn't have ricochet physics". Movement freedom is NOT the core criteria to judge if an MMO is better or not than another. Actually, there is no core criteria! I hope you resist the shock of reading that!
HAlf of the WAR maps are filled with void and empty spaces of drawn up 2D/3D maybe you should learn the difference between the two mountains you can't get up, you can't get over, you can't enter. And the world isn't even full 3D, because there is simply no space to fly over looks like someone doesn't know what the third dimension is. It's empty window dressing between the flying paths.
Not being able to walk through mountains is completely subjective. Valid point, but has no value for being subjective. Same as complaining that marauders can't wear crowns.
If you don't see this high qualtity difference, well I must be talking to someone who doesn't want it to understand and that is exactly what you want isn't it?
What difference? Maybe this "difference" you speak of that noone is aware of... is purely subjective? Maybe it's in your head? Like the "quality difference" (regarding being able to full loot players) that's inside that pre-trammel fan over there? I wish it had 41 ranks instead of 40, does it make the game worse for you? I don't think so.
The real FULL world 3D model is a years programming effort. Making an animated WAR 2D loading screen cover is a 2 days job of a graphics student.
One question.. do you even know what VBasic is? Even bugs can enable the ability to fly on games. I knew a bug that made me fly on Risk Your Life. I've seen people flying on WoW even before TBC. It's better not to talk about what you don't know, or else you'll just look more and more ridiculous.
Making all other lack of polisment in War so much more obvious. From server lag to clunky PvP. From poor class specs to scenario designs. From fast paced copy of Keeps to complete lack of decent CC specific classes.
160 average ping and I'm from Brazil. Clunky PvP.. maybe you should play some CS or SC then. Poor classes specs is the most absurd thing someone could say. As a Marauder I have several different and fun build options to chose from. Want examples?
Positional critical combat dps (brutality + strength + flanking + feeding on fear + deeply impaled)
Single target basic dps (brutality + brute force + corrupted edge + subvert strength + jagged edge)
AoE infinite AP dps (monstrosity + feeding on fear + subvert strength + brute force + jagged edge)
And I could give you at least TEN more examples. The classses are more than fine, specially after you get to chose 3~4 career tactics. There are plenty of different builds you can chose. Some class systems are pretty fun as well, like the BW/Sorc's gauge, the WP/DoK's need to dps in order to heal and the Magus/Eng's static "pets".
About the keeps. There are around 24 main different types of keeps plus around 6 completely different keeps (like the one underground from the greenskin fourth tier). Sorry to break your illusion.
How much more cuts do you want? And then they are surprised War isn't a Wow killer. How could it be? It lacks every new design aspect of the last 3 years shown in other games already.
And when did WoW offer the main features of games like Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot? How come WoW doesn't offer the ability to change a character's class like FFXI does?
Ultima Online 98~04 Dark Age of Camelot 03~07 Final Fantasy XI 04~06 Guild Wars 05~08 World of Warcraft 04~05 Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
Well I can only speak for myself, but the purpose of my comments are to inform those who have not played it what War is like. I have seen very few rebuttals to most of the points I have made. There have been a few and I've modified my initial comments where I felt someone actually attempted to refute me. Most of my initial comments stand and have not been refuted by anyone. A few of my points have even been conceded by those who have refuted other points. In my opinion that means that my comments are a fair commentary on the game as it exists today. Granted I did not go into every facet of the game, because for the most part the game is what you would expect. An MMO is an MMO for the most part. Most of them are very much alike. Even the developer of War agrees with me there stating that approximately 80% of the game is nothing new if I'm correct. I've tried to comment on the parts of the game that I felt needed some work. Not all of my comments about the game are in this thread alone, I only listed off the things I didn't like here because it was more in line with the original thread's purpose. Since then I've tried to add some things to this thread of what I do like to balance that somewhat.
Pappy: You did not really want to inform people about WAR with your post(s). You stated even before the release that you did not like WAR. In this thread you will see some rebuttals of your points since several factual errors are there as well as things like 'this is poor' without proper supporting data.
You know I really like(d) WoW and have no problems praising aspects of that game. Your posts are not searching and really comparing the two but rather saying 'I like WoW and I knew it would be better than WAR'.
My summary (have played both games extensively) is: PvE raiding: WoW, PvP: WAR and casual play: Whatever floats your way.
Pappy: You did not really want to inform people about WAR with your post(s). You stated even before the release that you did not like WAR. Link or it didn't happen. In this thread you will see some rebuttals of your points since several factual errors are there as well as things like 'this is poor' without proper supporting data. Examples please. The only places where there were factual errors, I edited my original comments and added a note to clarify. Everywhere that someone rebutted me, if they had a valid point, I have responded. A few rebuttals I did not think they had a valid point, maybe it was just purely their opinion which is no better than mine or in a few cases, I didn't think they made their case. For example Skrofler said "To say that the 3 BGs in WoW are enough is just... well okay, if you settle for that it's fine I guess", but then he goes on to say "The scenarios in WAR are all variations of conquer and defend, of course, since how could it not be.". Well if they are all variations on the same thing then I really don't see how it makes much difference if there is 4 or 12. 12 is only better than 4 if there's more variety and I don't consider a change of scenery more variety. Each has their own particular rules, but every single one seems to revolve around capturing a flag in some form or other. Couldn't they come up with anything else? Maybe a timed game where 1 side could storm a keep while the other defends it. Hold them off long enough and you win. I don't know, something different. Anything. Truth be told, for all it's faults Alterac Valley has more variation in it then any of the scenario's in War. It's the one BG that requires assaulting/defending something other than a flag or flag carrier. You know I really like(d) WoW and have no problems praising aspects of that game. Your posts are not searching and really comparing the two but rather saying 'I like WoW and I knew it would be better than WAR'. You see what you want to see because you believe I am a WoW fanboi. Most can see that I've tried to be objective as I can be. I did not go into the game with the preconceived notion that WoW is better. I have come to that conclusion after playing the game for going on 3 weeks now. There are things about the game I like, but there are more things that I thought Mythic could have done better. Try reading the following thread which I posted in the War forums. Many of the folks there agreed with me on many of the points I made and I don't think anyone accused me of trolling. Certainly not everyone agrees with me on every point, but I think they recognize I'm making valid criticisms even if it is only my opinion. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/203956 My summary (have played both games extensively) is: PvE raiding: WoW, PvP: WAR and casual play: Whatever floats your way. I'd put it this way: PvE: WoW, PvP: Toss up, Casual Play: Toss up since it's very subjective. Once WoTLK comes out, I think WoW edges War in PvP as well.
How about prior to 70 in WoW? How much gear do you find with armor penertration? haste? resilience? WoW didn't really get that varied till end game. Admitedly, the progression in Warhammer probably isn't as dramatic as WoWs but that's not to say it's not there and to be honest I'd rather wear the defias set in wow than the terribad S4 set for rogues.
Ok, yeah some things are not there till later, but what about the basics? You know + dam, + AC, + to hit, + to crit. These things are in the game almost from the beginning, they just have lower values than you find at the upper levels. It's much harder to determine if you want that piece of gear with +5 int and + 3 to dam or the one with +4 int and + 4 dam than if the if the choice is between + 5 Int and + 4 Int. Is there really any question what piece of equipment you want then? The resistance make things a bit harder to choose, but I would just like to see a bit more variety than + to one of the main stats and/or a resistance. There are a lot of other factors that can be thrown in to make it more interesting and more unique.
the + to other stats u can get in the mid 20's....
Hehe, Pappy on his usual crusade here. You go, man Balance off the haters, cause WoW ain't that bad. It's a very good pve game, but I find the pvp lacking (bloody battlegrounds ruined it), that's why WAR does it for me, allthough the pve is lacking in WAR, but I'm in that game for it's pvp, not the pve.
Also WoW is a tad bit too item dependent, but that is my personal opinion. I just don't like that I'm forced to grind gear to be somewhat competitive in WoW.
I can honestly say after playing mmorpgs for 10 or so years that the player base has changed a lot. It seems that patience has gone out the window recently with the wow generation of players. Please keep in mind that WAR is only a few weeks old and the game will evolve. One thing I enjoy about the game is that the developers do care about what its players want. Unfortunately with the advent of WoW the industry has perhaps set a higher standard on what a game should be but comparing a game that has been out for 4-5 years to a game that has been out for 4-5 weeks is just unfair. WAR is a lot of fun and tbh I was one of the people that expected very little from it. Yes the PVE and crafting systems are lacking in some respects but if you look at the product alone and not compare them to WoW they are, for a game that just came out, very acceptable. I look forward to the future of the game and its platform and design along with its p2p income will hopefully maintain and push forward new ideas and the game will blossum into something even more fun. I think it is safe to say that people need to be patient.
You say the wow generation is not patient, and yet its these War fanboys that compplain they have to spend a few days to grind out pvp gear in wow, or they have to run dungeons over a few times to get the piece of gear they want or even raid for 3-4 hours to get a piece of loot. Looks to me like that "next gen" community over there are the ones who are not patient.
Hype is my nemesis. i will fight it til the day i die whether i take it down or it takes me down. So depressing, Yes?
I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either. The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.
you went into war expecting wow and you didnt get it. Im sorry if i offend anyone one but the mentallity of wow players is just laughable. I have seen gold fish with better attention spans.War isnt about pve at all, its all to do with rvr and if you dont like rvr then dont play war.
I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either. The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.
you went into war expecting wow and you didnt get it. Im sorry if i offend anyone one but the mentallity of wow players is just laughable. I have seen gold fish with better attention spans.War isnt about pve at all, its all to do with rvr and if you dont like rvr then dont play war. Kids today just get bored so easily because they have so much. Wow has single handedly ruin mmo communities because players are greeedy, rude and lazy..they want everything right away. If they dont get their purples they whine that the game sucks..mmo's used be about communities not stupid fucking raids and loot.
You say the wow generation is not patient, and yet its these War fanboys that compplain they have to spend a few days to grind out pvp gear in wow, or they have to run dungeons over a few times to get the piece of gear they want or even raid for 3-4 hours to get a piece of loot. Looks to me like that "next gen" community over there are the ones who are not patient.
your sig says everything i need to know about you. this is exactly the impatience he is talking about. you even had to get a 5 star member in the least amount of posts to make yourself feel great. wow isnt for communities, its a way for kids to make themselves feel better than other kids by bragging about their phat lewts, just like your sig.
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Two days and your post is out-of-date.
Love the ex-WoW players. Can always tell as they try to Bunny-Hop their way to victory in WAR. Or wonder why they cannot take down a Tank backed by a Healer, at all. Or are puzzled when the old 'run-through-the-enemy, spin and hit' no longer works.
Need a new way to think and play for WAR. Unlike Bliz, Mythic has been at PvP as its main-line play model for many, many years. This is NOT a 1-1 PvP game. It is a Many on Many RvR game. Without thinking and teamwork, you are toast in RvR and Scenarios, if you are up against a real RvR Team.
don't get why people compare or diss either game. for starters there completely different. Second WoWs been out for how many years now!? Of course theres more content. Honestly I'll never bad mouth a game thats successful and fun which both these titles are. To be honest the only game ive ever talked smack about is AoC and for very very very good reason. I WANT MY $50 BACK YOU FAILCOM REJECTS!
Oh and about the gold spammers like i said before just report them and then they get banned. Blizzard doesnt even ban the buggers and there more rampant in their game than in most f2p games
You know what ? Since some have forgotten ?? WOW had the same problems with these issues!
And yet people just go around trying to bring down a New game cause THE KING of MMOS The Only True Game is World Of Warcraft, is the only game to set years beyond the gaming..
Im sorry you feel this way, do me a faver just stop now and wait for the game to be out as long as WOW to go around sending out a message that War is .. Bad and it dont have this or that !
If you dont like a game? Cool with me just stop these kind of Events to pull people out to make up there minds from what you have to say is bad..
Everyone has rights to say what they want, just that your upset over gold sellers, is not a reason to call out that its the end of things ?
So if you dont like what i said here.. Fine with me, just stop this, were all gamers and we need to just get along here..
Thank you...
a vast majority of WoW players werent even around till BC came out so most don't know how bad it was for the first half of year in WoW. hahaha
I owe you an apology then. I didn't know this thread started on the main forums and was moved here, it was already here when I posted. That has happened to me as well and I HATE that they do that. In fact I started a thread here in the WoW forums about War (because I was trying to inform the WoW players, not stir up trouble in the War forums) and they moved it to the War Forums. I was furious and went and deleted all my comments, so I sympathize.
Just wanted you to know I have not taken offense to anything you have said. You've debated the points well. I love a good debate.
Apology accepted, Pappy.
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/played: EQ, EQ II, DAoC, WoW, LoTRO, AoC, CoH/CoV, WAR, Aion, Tera, Wildstar and many others that don't merit listing
/playing: Clash of Clans, Hearthstone
*Laughs*
Two days and your post is out-of-date.
Love the ex-WoW players. Can always tell as they try to Bunny-Hop their way to victory in WAR. Or wonder why they cannot take down a Tank backed by a Healer, at all. Or are puzzled when the old 'run-through-the-enemy, spin and hit' no longer works.
Need a new way to think and play for WAR. Unlike Bliz, Mythic has been at PvP as its main-line play model for many, many years. This is NOT a 1-1 PvP game. It is a Many on Many RvR game. Without thinking and teamwork, you are toast in RvR and Scenarios, if you are up against a real RvR Team.
Amen to that Shoal !
Like ive been saying if you dont like the game, why be bashing it ? Just go play?? You feel much better with some Cookies and Milk..
The answer is very simple really.
WAR does NOT meet the standards set out by Blizzard 4 years ago AND upgraded 2 years ago.
If you do not want to play with the present day standards . OK np, fine by me, but WAR lacks about everyhting Wow (and other MMORPG's) even have standard.
Everyone will and can be the judge, but the qualtiy differences are SOOO huge and just can't be neglected.
Go and have a look at HOW Bliizard tackled the fighting animations and then look at War. In the end the buying public will be the judge. And there a dozens and dozens of these kind of polishment differences.
If YOU want to pay for far less in WAR and its end game ... NP It is YOUR money.
Thank you for that, it IS my money and I will spend it how I see fit.
I can 'neglect' the anomalies just fine, since I know WAR just released and time will smooth out these things, just like Blizz did four years ago. If they don't...I still enjoyed myself enough to make it worth the money I spent.
I have played WoW since release, on and off to about a month ago. I've had enough, and won't bother getting into it. Won't go back. End of story. I don't, nor will I ever bash WoW, since it has provided me with such a long period of enjoyment, but like everything...it has had its time with me.
We can argree to disagree, and I hope you'll find peace someday, as you seem to be a little agitated for some reason...
EVERY game has flaws. Some have more than others. What's your point?
I disagree. The games are NOT completely different. They are in fact VERY much alike and once WoTLK is released they will be even more similar. In some people's opinion they are very different, but the people who think that don't like one game or the other very much for whatever reason. I happen to like both games quite a bit. I still think that WoW is better, but I have said before that I think War is the best post WoW MMO that has come out.
I'm not trying to keep people from playing the game. I am in fact playing it myself and I'm on the fence whether or not I will renew my subscription, however I don't believe the game is flawless. It needs some polishing and a few things need to be corrected to get it to where WoW is now. And yes, I realize that WoW has had 4 years to polish their game, but the fact of the matter remains that WoW is a more polished game at the moment and I'm not convinced at this point that it will ever surpass WoW in that regard.
I'm here merely to give people my honest opinion on the game and let those that have not had the chance to play the game hear about the game and what they can expect from the game should they choose to try it. I have discussed some things I like and some things I don't like. Most people here recognize that I am in fact a WoW fan. For a WoW fan to come here and say the game is pretty good should make you War fans happy, but alas, unless I apparently say that War is the best game on the planet, I continue to be nothing but a WoW fan to you. Sorry that you feel that way, but I really don't care because I'm not here for your benefit. I think the people who frequent this forum because they enjoy WoW see it for what it is, just one person's opinion on the competition.
So for the record, I like the game, but I don't like it better than WoW. I also think it has a ton of potential to get better and perhaps be just as good as WoW one day, but it's definately not there yet. I also have not played WoTLK, but I have read enough about it to know that I like some of the ideas that have been introduced by it and look forward to giving it a shot. My personal opinion is that people should stick with WoW if they enjoy it. If they do not like WoW, then I would recommend War over any other MMO on the market today.
If you don't think that's a fair review of the game, then you're more biased than I am.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
P.S. WoW also bans gold spammers and actually the gold spammers are worse in War right now. I think that's probably just because the game is new and will probably die down some in a couple months and they won't be any more a problem in War than any other game.
EVERY game has flaws. Some have more than others. What's your point?
Actually that's what im trying to figure out, both sides keep throwing flaws into each others face i'm just wondering now that we know they both have flaws now what?
the topic of flaws in both games has pretty much been beaten to death imo.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
EVERY game has flaws. Some have more than others. What's your point?
Actually that's what im trying to figure out, both sides keep throwing flaws into each others face i'm just wondering now that we know they both have flaws now what?
the topic of flaws in both games has pretty much been beaten to death imo.
Well I can only speak for myself, but the purpose of my comments are to inform those who have not played it what War is like. I have seen very few rebuttals to most of the points I have made. There have been a few and I've modified my initial comments where I felt someone actually attempted to refute me. Most of my initial comments stand and have not been refuted by anyone. A few of my points have even been conceded by those who have refuted other points. In my opinion that means that my comments are a fair commentary on the game as it exists today.
Granted I did not go into every facet of the game, because for the most part the game is what you would expect. An MMO is an MMO for the most part. Most of them are very much alike. Even the developer of War agrees with me there stating that approximately 80% of the game is nothing new if I'm correct. I've tried to comment on the parts of the game that I felt needed some work. Not all of my comments about the game are in this thread alone, I only listed off the things I didn't like here because it was more in line with the original thread's purpose. Since then I've tried to add some things to this thread of what I do like to balance that somewhat.
I don't feel like arguing or anything, but WAR is not a let down in any way shape or form unless you have prior expectations and the game is not what you want it to be.
WAR is a great game, and there are many people who will find it ridiculously fun. Maybe for those who have played WoW for a long time it isn't fun, and maybe it is, but I know I couldn't play WoW for more than a few weeks, and I've already played WAR far longer.
Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your WoW because it's a great game. No need to slam WAR because it's a great game also.
Correction mate.
The reason that all new mmo's fail is that all are comparing them with wow as it is now after 3.5 y of improvement . Wow last 3 years has set the standards very high and with the continual additions ,improvments its very hard for an mmo at launch to be compared with the 3.5 years of improvement wow .
If all 3 thoguh were launched together with wow as it was at start = only pve to do around , no pvp at all no battlegrounds, no arena no nothing in pvp and only random kils outdoors it wouldnt stand a chance vs AOC or WAR . only by seeing a palyer wow graficks and no pvp they would go all halfway to WAR or AOC
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> the point is very simple Fuzztalk....
and maybe your braincells don't seem to capture the fact that :
to create a full 3D world you actualy can fly over and land anywhere you want without a loading screen in sight you walk and walk without any loading screens, then you decide to enter a random cave and.. voi la! instance loading screen! , is MILES above the crap 2D animated loading screens so you're saying that you wanted 3D loading screens? I'm wordless! you get in WAR.
I'm afraid to tell you that flying mounts weren't a launch feature. It also looks like you haven't notice how ridiculous you look by saying all that. You're being COMPLETELY biased, it's like saying "pong is better than WoW because WoW doesn't have ricochet physics". Movement freedom is NOT the core criteria to judge if an MMO is better or not than another. Actually, there is no core criteria! I hope you resist the shock of reading that!
HAlf of the WAR maps are filled with void and empty spaces of drawn up 2D/3D maybe you should learn the difference between the two mountains you can't get up, you can't get over, you can't enter. And the world isn't even full 3D, because there is simply no space to fly over looks like someone doesn't know what the third dimension is. It's empty window dressing between the flying paths.
Not being able to walk through mountains is completely subjective. Valid point, but has no value for being subjective. Same as complaining that marauders can't wear crowns.
If you don't see this high qualtity difference, well I must be talking to someone who doesn't want it to understand and that is exactly what you want isn't it?
What difference? Maybe this "difference" you speak of that noone is aware of... is purely subjective? Maybe it's in your head? Like the "quality difference" (regarding being able to full loot players) that's inside that pre-trammel fan over there? I wish it had 41 ranks instead of 40, does it make the game worse for you? I don't think so.
The real FULL world 3D model is a years programming effort. Making an animated WAR 2D loading screen cover is a 2 days job of a graphics student.
One question.. do you even know what VBasic is? Even bugs can enable the ability to fly on games. I knew a bug that made me fly on Risk Your Life. I've seen people flying on WoW even before TBC. It's better not to talk about what you don't know, or else you'll just look more and more ridiculous.
Making all other lack of polisment in War so much more obvious. From server lag to clunky PvP. From poor class specs to scenario designs. From fast paced copy of Keeps to complete lack of decent CC specific classes.
160 average ping and I'm from Brazil. Clunky PvP.. maybe you should play some CS or SC then. Poor classes specs is the most absurd thing someone could say. As a Marauder I have several different and fun build options to chose from. Want examples?
Positional critical combat dps (brutality + strength + flanking + feeding on fear + deeply impaled)
Single target basic dps (brutality + brute force + corrupted edge + subvert strength + jagged edge)
AoE infinite AP dps (monstrosity + feeding on fear + subvert strength + brute force + jagged edge)
Knockdown support tanker (monstrosity + warped flesh + tzeentch warding + hulking brute + crushing blows)
And I could give you at least TEN more examples. The classses are more than fine, specially after you get to chose 3~4 career tactics. There are plenty of different builds you can chose. Some class systems are pretty fun as well, like the BW/Sorc's gauge, the WP/DoK's need to dps in order to heal and the Magus/Eng's static "pets".
About the keeps. There are around 24 main different types of keeps plus around 6 completely different keeps (like the one underground from the greenskin fourth tier). Sorry to break your illusion.
How much more cuts do you want? And then they are surprised War isn't a Wow killer. How could it be? It lacks every new design aspect of the last 3 years shown in other games already.
And when did WoW offer the main features of games like Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot? How come WoW doesn't offer the ability to change a character's class like FFXI does?
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
Pappy: You did not really want to inform people about WAR with your post(s). You stated even before the release that you did not like WAR. In this thread you will see some rebuttals of your points since several factual errors are there as well as things like 'this is poor' without proper supporting data.
You know I really like(d) WoW and have no problems praising aspects of that game. Your posts are not searching and really comparing the two but rather saying 'I like WoW and I knew it would be better than WAR'.
My summary (have played both games extensively) is: PvE raiding: WoW, PvP: WAR and casual play: Whatever floats your way.
In conclusion of this thread:
Warhammer > World Of Warcraft ---- Game Over, Try Again Later.
Ok, yeah some things are not there till later, but what about the basics? You know + dam, + AC, + to hit, + to crit. These things are in the game almost from the beginning, they just have lower values than you find at the upper levels. It's much harder to determine if you want that piece of gear with +5 int and + 3 to dam or the one with +4 int and + 4 dam than if the if the choice is between + 5 Int and + 4 Int. Is there really any question what piece of equipment you want then? The resistance make things a bit harder to choose, but I would just like to see a bit more variety than + to one of the main stats and/or a resistance. There are a lot of other factors that can be thrown in to make it more interesting and more unique.
the + to other stats u can get in the mid 20's....
got a cloak with +4 moral on it for level 29...
Hehe, Pappy on his usual crusade here. You go, man
Balance off the haters, cause WoW ain't that bad. It's a very good pve game, but I find the pvp lacking (bloody battlegrounds ruined it), that's why WAR does it for me, allthough the pve is lacking in WAR, but I'm in that game for it's pvp, not the pve.
Also WoW is a tad bit too item dependent, but that is my personal opinion. I just don't like that I'm forced to grind gear to be somewhat competitive in WoW.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
I can honestly say after playing mmorpgs for 10 or so years that the player base has changed a lot. It seems that patience has gone out the window recently with the wow generation of players. Please keep in mind that WAR is only a few weeks old and the game will evolve. One thing I enjoy about the game is that the developers do care about what its players want. Unfortunately with the advent of WoW the industry has perhaps set a higher standard on what a game should be but comparing a game that has been out for 4-5 years to a game that has been out for 4-5 weeks is just unfair. WAR is a lot of fun and tbh I was one of the people that expected very little from it. Yes the PVE and crafting systems are lacking in some respects but if you look at the product alone and not compare them to WoW they are, for a game that just came out, very acceptable. I look forward to the future of the game and its platform and design along with its p2p income will hopefully maintain and push forward new ideas and the game will blossum into something even more fun. I think it is safe to say that people need to be patient.
You say the wow generation is not patient, and yet its these War fanboys that compplain they have to spend a few days to grind out pvp gear in wow, or they have to run dungeons over a few times to get the piece of gear they want or even raid for 3-4 hours to get a piece of loot. Looks to me like that "next gen" community over there are the ones who are not patient.
Hype is my nemesis. i will fight it til the day i die whether i take it down or it takes me down. So depressing, Yes?
you went into war expecting wow and you didnt get it. Im sorry if i offend anyone one but the mentallity of wow players is just laughable. I have seen gold fish with better attention spans.War isnt about pve at all, its all to do with rvr and if you dont like rvr then dont play war.
you went into war expecting wow and you didnt get it. Im sorry if i offend anyone one but the mentallity of wow players is just laughable. I have seen gold fish with better attention spans.War isnt about pve at all, its all to do with rvr and if you dont like rvr then dont play war. Kids today just get bored so easily because they have so much. Wow has single handedly ruin mmo communities because players are greeedy, rude and lazy..they want everything right away. If they dont get their purples they whine that the game sucks..mmo's used be about communities not stupid fucking raids and loot.
your sig says everything i need to know about you. this is exactly the impatience he is talking about. you even had to get a 5 star member in the least amount of posts to make yourself feel great. wow isnt for communities, its a way for kids to make themselves feel better than other kids by bragging about their phat lewts, just like your sig.