why did he do it. i know it says it was personal. but seroiusly why?
Explaining things like that is useless. People won't understand until they go through similar situations. You'll probably understand as you get older.
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I don't mean to be insenstivite, but the guy deserved every bit of backlash for being partly responsible for the biggest screw up in MMORPG history.
While its sad and tragic what happened, clearly something else is going on with this person's stability and health. I don't think its fair to suddenly 'forget' what his part in the SWG NGE was because of this event. We, as players need to remember these NGE scale type incidents, and need to hold companies responsible and to a higher level of standard. That is the only way we will get quality games in the future instead of the trash we are getting now. In my mind, the best way to honor poeple like this is to hold companies responsible for their mistakes, remember things like NGE, and pressure the MMORPG industry to move foward with a higher level of passion, dedication, creativity, excellence and execution to produce quality games, and to not allow it to move backward.
You're not only being insensitivie, you are also being extremely childish. In case it hasn't sunken in yet, this person has DIED and you start whining over a change in a VIDEOGAME that happened 2 YEARS AGO!?
why did he do it. i know it says it was personal. but seroiusly why?
Explaining things like that is useless. People won't understand until they go through similar situations. You'll probably understand as you get older.
Actually, explaining things like this IS useful. It helps people around Jeff come to terms with their loss, otherwise they start going over every little thing in their head wondering if it was something they said that set him off or something they did. Knowing the motive and/or cause helps bring closeure to a death. It also helps teach people what signs to look for, so that in the future, perhaps something like this can be prevented.
Also, a LOT of people have gone through similar situations. It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with what one has experienced. I would honestly not be surprised if the majority of the people here have dealt with close calls and serious issues that have dragged them down deep both mentally and emotionally. So get off your high horse.
To the loved ones, friends, and even the "I met him once at a convention" people, you don't HAVE to only focus on the good things he's done. Just be respectful when discussing the pros and cons of his life.
I don't mean to be insenstivite, but the guy deserved every bit of backlash for being partly responsible for the biggest screw up in MMORPG history.
While its sad and tragic what happened, clearly something else is going on with this person's stability and health. I don't think its fair to suddenly 'forget' what his part in the SWG NGE was because of this event. We, as players need to remember these NGE scale type incidents, and need to hold companies responsible and to a higher level of standard. That is the only way we will get quality games in the future instead of the trash we are getting now. In my mind, the best way to honor poeple like this is to hold companies responsible for their mistakes, remember things like NGE, and pressure the MMORPG industry to move foward with a higher level of passion, dedication, creativity, excellence and execution to produce quality games, and to not allow it to move backward.
World is full of such childish and insensitive people? shocking? no... but sad for sure.
Wow...just when I think MMO players can't get a worse reputation.
All I can say is that the devlopers of the next SW MMO do read theses forums, many of them Knew Jeff, and if you think that the SWG Vets were loathed before, they have achived an entirely new level of hatred.
I can honestly say that tolerence for Vet forum crap will be negitive Five once the new site goes live, they want them to show up and shoot their mouths off so they can perma ban them and loudly tell them that this will never be your insipid pre-nge.
I don't mean to be insenstivite, but the guy deserved every bit of backlash for being partly responsible for the biggest screw up in MMORPG history.
While its sad and tragic what happened, clearly something else is going on with this person's stability and health. I don't think its fair to suddenly 'forget' what his part in the SWG NGE was because of this event. We, as players need to remember these NGE scale type incidents, and need to hold companies responsible and to a higher level of standard. That is the only way we will get quality games in the future instead of the trash we are getting now. In my mind, the best way to honor poeple like this is to hold companies responsible for their mistakes, remember things like NGE, and pressure the MMORPG industry to move foward with a higher level of passion, dedication, creativity, excellence and execution to produce quality games, and to not allow it to move backward.
You're not only being insensitivie, you are also being extremely childish. In case it hasn't sunken in yet, this person has DIED and you start whining over a change in a VIDEOGAME that happened 2 YEARS AGO!?
Seriously, get. the. hell. over. it.
I tried this approach. It doesn't work. They think it's normal behavior and far from annoying.
It's unfortunate this happened. My best wishes to his family.
I don't mean to be insenstivite, but the guy deserved every bit of backlash for being partly responsible for the biggest screw up in MMORPG history.
While its sad and tragic what happened, clearly something else is going on with this person's stability and health. I don't think its fair to suddenly 'forget' what his part in the SWG NGE was because of this event. We, as players need to remember these NGE scale type incidents, and need to hold companies responsible and to a higher level of standard. That is the only way we will get quality games in the future instead of the trash we are getting now. In my mind, the best way to honor poeple like this is to hold companies responsible for their mistakes, remember things like NGE, and pressure the MMORPG industry to move foward with a higher level of passion, dedication, creativity, excellence and execution to produce quality games, and to not allow it to move backward.
You're not only being insensitivie, you are also being extremely childish. In case it hasn't sunken in yet, this person has DIED and you start whining over a change in a VIDEOGAME that happened 2 YEARS AGO!?
Seriously, get. the. hell. over. it.
I tried this approach. It doesn't work. They think it's normal behavior and far from annoying.
It's unfortunate this happened. My best wishes to his family.
R.I.P Jeff!
I third what your saying, it seems some hold these mmo's higher than someone's life..
I can tell you right now that the unfortunate outcome probably had alot to do with SWG, people can only take so much and he probably got the same response everywhere he went to the post from Milky..
Not sure how many could ever take that kind of punishment..In all reality Jeff probably didn't have much say so, kind of like someone that had to drop an atomic bomb the orders come from the higher but the person filling the orders gets hit the hardest...
Well anyway.....
Rest well Jeff, the times I had in SWG was some of the best and yourself and the team will always be looked upon in my eyes as history writers..
I cannot believe that some people will curse the name of someone even in death over a video game. Jeff did alot for us gamers and deserves a memorial, not a bashing fest. I can't believe that so many of the old SWG players are so self centered to their own life that can't even realize that someone here died. Would you like me to laugh at the fate of someone that died close to you?
Second, it's not because he was a lead designer that he was actually the guy pulling the strings. It's another solid proof on how people don't understand how things work around this world... Man, if he didn't killed himself because of the community, then wow, he's really strong.
Seriously, I don't consider myself better then anyone here. I simply don't understand why people allow themselves to be turned into hate machines over a game...
why did he do it. i know it says it was personal. but seroiusly why?
Explaining things like that is useless. People won't understand until they go through similar situations. You'll probably understand as you get older.
Actually, explaining things like this IS useful. It helps people around Jeff come to terms with their loss, otherwise they start going over every little thing in their head wondering if it was something they said that set him off or something they did. Knowing the motive and/or cause helps bring closeure to a death. It also helps teach people what signs to look for, so that in the future, perhaps something like this can be prevented.
Also, a LOT of people have gone through similar situations. It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with what one has experienced. I would honestly not be surprised if the majority of the people here have dealt with close calls and serious issues that have dragged them down deep both mentally and emotionally. So get off your high horse.
To the loved ones, friends, and even the "I met him once at a convention" people, you don't HAVE to only focus on the good things he's done. Just be respectful when discussing the pros and cons of his life.
Sorry if my post sounded like that, which I didn't mean at all. Of course I know that the majority of people go through similar situations, that's exactly why I said "you'll probably understand as you get older". Also I didn't say it has to do with age, I just said that he'll probably understand as he gets older (because it pretty much seems that he doesn't understand it yet). I didn't say that he's too young to understand suicide, I just said that if he doesn't understand it yet, he probably will in the future. Just making things clear, no offense or anything man.
Ultima Online 98~04 Dark Age of Camelot 03~07 Final Fantasy XI 04~06 Guild Wars 05~08 World of Warcraft 04~05 Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
First I'm sad, not for Jeff, he's in peace now, but for the people that loves him.
Then I have an immense respect for his family and specially his brother who wanted the lift any possible weight on the MMO community.
I know as thousands of others players that Jeff did his best to make fun games to bring at least a bit of happiness in people's heart.
Like it or not even few game designers can say they were responsible for such important IPs. Some would say he failed in SWG, I'd rather say how worse could have it been with someone else? I let you see his work in UO and see how he brought a SW feeling to Caveman Galaxies as I used to call SWG.
The story about him solo-coding the pet system is amazing. Go Jeff.
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Going through the phases leading up to suicide is well, a very terrible experience.
I do not know of how this came to be, be it genetically (ie: bio-chemical imbalance), environment (ie: financial debt) or both, but there is always a means and a path to take to avoid sucide and survive its ordeal. Yes life sucks at times, and there are those life-lessons and failures to be experienced; but give time and effort, they and learned and overcome. The measure of success is how high a person can bounce after hitting the bottom, as Patton would say.
Unfortunately we will never know how high Freeman could have bounced back.
The LORD replied:
"My son, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you,
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."
Farewell Freeman.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
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Explaining things like that is useless. People won't understand until they go through similar situations. You'll probably understand as you get older.
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
You're not only being insensitivie, you are also being extremely childish. In case it hasn't sunken in yet, this person has DIED and you start whining over a change in a VIDEOGAME that happened 2 YEARS AGO!?
Seriously, get. the. hell. over. it.
Explaining things like that is useless. People won't understand until they go through similar situations. You'll probably understand as you get older.
Actually, explaining things like this IS useful. It helps people around Jeff come to terms with their loss, otherwise they start going over every little thing in their head wondering if it was something they said that set him off or something they did. Knowing the motive and/or cause helps bring closeure to a death. It also helps teach people what signs to look for, so that in the future, perhaps something like this can be prevented.
Also, a LOT of people have gone through similar situations. It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with what one has experienced. I would honestly not be surprised if the majority of the people here have dealt with close calls and serious issues that have dragged them down deep both mentally and emotionally. So get off your high horse.
To the loved ones, friends, and even the "I met him once at a convention" people, you don't HAVE to only focus on the good things he's done. Just be respectful when discussing the pros and cons of his life.
World is full of such childish and insensitive people? shocking? no... but sad for sure.
Wow...just when I think MMO players can't get a worse reputation.
All I can say is that the devlopers of the next SW MMO do read theses forums, many of them Knew Jeff, and if you think that the SWG Vets were loathed before, they have achived an entirely new level of hatred.
I can honestly say that tolerence for Vet forum crap will be negitive Five once the new site goes live, they want them to show up and shoot their mouths off so they can perma ban them and loudly tell them that this will never be your insipid pre-nge.
You're not only being insensitivie, you are also being extremely childish. In case it hasn't sunken in yet, this person has DIED and you start whining over a change in a VIDEOGAME that happened 2 YEARS AGO!?
Seriously, get. the. hell. over. it.
I tried this approach. It doesn't work. They think it's normal behavior and far from annoying.
It's unfortunate this happened. My best wishes to his family.
You're not only being insensitivie, you are also being extremely childish. In case it hasn't sunken in yet, this person has DIED and you start whining over a change in a VIDEOGAME that happened 2 YEARS AGO!?
Seriously, get. the. hell. over. it.
I tried this approach. It doesn't work. They think it's normal behavior and far from annoying.
It's unfortunate this happened. My best wishes to his family.
R.I.P Jeff!
I third what your saying, it seems some hold these mmo's higher than someone's life..
I can tell you right now that the unfortunate outcome probably had alot to do with SWG, people can only take so much and he probably got the same response everywhere he went to the post from Milky..
Not sure how many could ever take that kind of punishment..In all reality Jeff probably didn't have much say so, kind of like someone that had to drop an atomic bomb the orders come from the higher but the person filling the orders gets hit the hardest...
Well anyway.....
Rest well Jeff, the times I had in SWG was some of the best and yourself and the team will always be looked upon in my eyes as history writers..
Thanks
Fire
I cannot believe that some people will curse the name of someone even in death over a video game. Jeff did alot for us gamers and deserves a memorial, not a bashing fest. I can't believe that so many of the old SWG players are so self centered to their own life that can't even realize that someone here died. Would you like me to laugh at the fate of someone that died close to you?
Second, it's not because he was a lead designer that he was actually the guy pulling the strings. It's another solid proof on how people don't understand how things work around this world... Man, if he didn't killed himself because of the community, then wow, he's really strong.
Seriously, I don't consider myself better then anyone here. I simply don't understand why people allow themselves to be turned into hate machines over a game...
R.I.P Jeff
Explaining things like that is useless. People won't understand until they go through similar situations. You'll probably understand as you get older.
Actually, explaining things like this IS useful. It helps people around Jeff come to terms with their loss, otherwise they start going over every little thing in their head wondering if it was something they said that set him off or something they did. Knowing the motive and/or cause helps bring closeure to a death. It also helps teach people what signs to look for, so that in the future, perhaps something like this can be prevented.
Also, a LOT of people have gone through similar situations. It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with what one has experienced. I would honestly not be surprised if the majority of the people here have dealt with close calls and serious issues that have dragged them down deep both mentally and emotionally. So get off your high horse.
To the loved ones, friends, and even the "I met him once at a convention" people, you don't HAVE to only focus on the good things he's done. Just be respectful when discussing the pros and cons of his life.
Sorry if my post sounded like that, which I didn't mean at all. Of course I know that the majority of people go through similar situations, that's exactly why I said "you'll probably understand as you get older". Also I didn't say it has to do with age, I just said that he'll probably understand as he gets older (because it pretty much seems that he doesn't understand it yet). I didn't say that he's too young to understand suicide, I just said that if he doesn't understand it yet, he probably will in the future. Just making things clear, no offense or anything man.
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
Well hard to find right words.
First I'm sad, not for Jeff, he's in peace now, but for the people that loves him.
Then I have an immense respect for his family and specially his brother who wanted the lift any possible weight on the MMO community.
I know as thousands of others players that Jeff did his best to make fun games to bring at least a bit of happiness in people's heart.
Like it or not even few game designers can say they were responsible for such important IPs. Some would say he failed in SWG, I'd rather say how worse could have it been with someone else? I let you see his work in UO and see how he brought a SW feeling to Caveman Galaxies as I used to call SWG.
My thoughts go to his family and friends.
The story about him solo-coding the pet system is amazing. Go Jeff.
--
Note: PlayNC will refuse to allow you access to your account if you forget your password and can't provide a scanned image of the product key for the first product you purchased..... LOL
Going through the phases leading up to suicide is well, a very terrible experience.
I do not know of how this came to be, be it genetically (ie: bio-chemical imbalance), environment (ie: financial debt) or both, but there is always a means and a path to take to avoid sucide and survive its ordeal. Yes life sucks at times, and there are those life-lessons and failures to be experienced; but give time and effort, they and learned and overcome. The measure of success is how high a person can bounce after hitting the bottom, as Patton would say.
Unfortunately we will never know how high Freeman could have bounced back.
The LORD replied:
"My son, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you,
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."
Farewell Freeman.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.