Let's talk about 'my' WOW in 3 months. 1. My guild will run 10 man raids.. there will be about 10 of them to progress through (4 at launch).
2. My guild will run endgame instances and heroics (there will be about 10 of each at lvl 80 I)
3. We will do Wintergrasp at least 3 nights a week before raids, and probably mess around in there some other nights
4. I'll be doing the battlegrounds a few times each every week for honor and tokens (5 bgs)
5. I'll be working on my crafting and getting mats to make endgame gear and consumables from enchanting, insciption and jewelrycrafting. I'll also probably still be working on building my harley motorcycles for my alts
6. I'll be doing my 2man and 5man Arena games and probably getting owned
7. I'll be doing dailies and trying to get the cooking/fishing rare items
8. My moonkin is going to be working on achievements, especially the quest and exploration ones
9. Occasionally I'll mess around with my Death Knight, but that will be a side thing. I already have too many alts to play If you think that a person is only going to grind the same raid over and over again, that is because that is all that person wants to so. Everything I listed here has viable rewards and progression and is fun. So tell me.. oh player of a great game. Where is the crafting in Warhammer? Where is the PVE raid and dungeon progression.. heck. where is ANYTHING except grinding scenerios. Is there a viable way to progress your character in Warhammer besides grinding scenarios. Most servers are on low/low or low/med which means RvR is not a viable way to level your character. Quests and mob exp dries up at lvl 20, so that is barely viable. Unless you play on a handfull of full/full servers, you are stuck queueing for scenarios as your only real way of progressing your character. There are many many ways to progress your character in WOW.. all of the things i listed above. If a player grinds bgs or grinds raids. it's because that player doesn't want to do other things.. not because they aren't viable.
I have a life so no to raids.
I dont find makeing imaginary items fun. And the fact you wanna fish in a video game is kinda um I dont know... well im sure someone has told you before.
Its sad that all you think of a game is grinding. I dont pay 15 dollars a month to grind. I... Just wannaaa have fuuuun. Ooooh I just wanna have fun.
It wasnt WoW that created this sicknes oh no kids it started a long time ago in EQ land.
I remember back in the day people starving to death cause the grind was just so important. Reports of people loosing there familys.
Its a carrot, you know that right and each time you get near that carrot Blizzard will move it. Its a endless game of carrot chassing.
Seriously you sound like those guys who pat themselves on the back once they reach cap. Your not realy doing anything but reaching lvl 100 on mario and once you do its the same game in techno color. Trust me Ive beat Super Mario Bros.
People can roleplay the Iraqi Information Minister all they want.. but the proof is in the pudding Warhammer sold less boxes then Animal Crossing: City Folk last week
Primetime(now) Warhammer has over half of their servers at low/low or low/med and the number of servers at high/high has dropped considerably since the first week. And we haven't even reached the end of the free month
The reason why Animal Crossings sold more than Warhammer is because AC is for the average casual Wii gamer and 30 million Wii's have been sold and alot of console games outsell MMORPG's anyways. Most of the MMORPG population is playing WoW right now Id say, and War is a PvP game so its interests an even lower amount of people.
I for one quit WoW for this game and Im glad and Im still playing after the free month. So what if this game can't compete with WoW I never expected it to. We are weeding out all the douches and crybabies that complain about ever little thing.
I'm afriad "douches" does not carry the same weight as "douchebag", but good try.
I dispute the numbers. First how would Blizzard know how many of their WoW players also tried Warhammer? Did they take an exit poll? I believe that Blizzard may have observed a dip in their numbers when Warhammer was released and attribute the dip to the release. That is different from knowing. I would also believe that WoW usage and subscriptions are climbing pre WotLK and that might erase such a dip. To then make a claim that people who left WoW for WAR are now returning to WoW is pure fabrication.
There is only one place I know of that actually makes its figures about who is playing what public and that is gamerDNA.com. I heard similar claims when AoC was a month old. When we looked at our members actual play they were not leaving AoC to return to WoW. They were taking a break from MMORPG altogether and taking up good old CoD4 and the like. AoC seemed more like methdone for MMORPG addicts.
We have not had a look at WoW to WAR and back again because WAR is not failing. 750K subscribers is a good start. I think WoW had 500K back in the day. If someone buttonholed me for an answer on where WAR players were coming from, I'd guess it was out of the DOAC, GW and the long tail. If you are not familiar with the term...
Originally posted by jblah So until we get some stories of people that are playing 36 WAR accounts at the same time( 36 boxes for 1 person) please dont compare the two.
someone's computer can't play WAR aswell as WoW. only 2 people said they left for WAR and 1 came back to WoW They want to grind They enjoy Raids (as do I but it still is a grind) They enjoy 2v2 unbalanced end-game PvP They played a Ret Pally and wanted to see all the talk about them being OP They just wanted to see how 3.0.2 is different from the old WoW and TBC
I will not look at this and think that Mythic should worry. Before Blizzard talk next time, I want details and how many people left for WAR just like they said it on AoC. BTW if they won't say it, that means it wasn't a crushing blow like AoC was. So WAR haters rage on and WoW fanboi's bring it on for this next Epic Thread of talking smack on another person over internet from maybe a world apart.
.....
The only reason WoW even exists is thanks to Warhammer 40000 tabletop universe where they ripped most of their ideas. I cam care less to hear about WoW on a Warhammer board.
Six of my friends quit WoW for Warhammer. All of them chose "Other" as reason for canceling subscription instead of "I'm moving to Warhammer". None of them went back to WoW. So what's the point really?
Ultima Online 98~04 Dark Age of Camelot 03~07 Final Fantasy XI 04~06 Guild Wars 05~08 World of Warcraft 04~05 Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
someone's computer can't play WAR aswell as WoW. only 2 people said they left for WAR and 1 came back to WoW They want to grind They enjoy Raids (as do I but it still is a grind) They enjoy 2v2 unbalanced end-game PvP They played a Ret Pally and wanted to see all the talk about them being OP They just wanted to see how 3.0.2 is different from the old WoW and TBC
I will not look at this and think that Mythic should worry. Before Blizzard talk next time, I want details and how many people left for WAR just like they said it on AoC. BTW if they won't say it, that means it wasn't a crushing blow like AoC was. So WAR haters rage on and WoW fanboi's bring it on for this next Epic Thread of talking smack on another person over internet from maybe a world apart.
.....
ROFLMAO!
Why are you Warhammer players that start these threads so butt hurt? I don't get it. Just go bury your heads in some scenarios somewhere for another 20 levels and stop starting threads. It's totally counterproductive.
You pi** and moan about the WoW players that do it, and yet....here again is another WAR player doing it. If you want to look more intelligent and mature than the posters that annoy you so much (i.e., the ones you call "WoW fanbois"), then don't do the same things they do. Geez.
I think Jeff Whatshisname was WAY off base sayin' the crap he did, but for Mark Jacobs to get his panties all in a twist about it and incite all the WAR fans into the same silly frenzy over something some doofus at Blizzard said, is just SILLY. It makes him and everyone who responds to that ridiculous interview with the Blizzard guy, just look as immature and trite as HE did in the interview.
someone's computer can't play WAR aswell as WoW. only 2 people said they left for WAR and 1 came back to WoW They want to grind They enjoy Raids (as do I but it still is a grind) They enjoy 2v2 unbalanced end-game PvP They played a Ret Pally and wanted to see all the talk about them being OP They just wanted to see how 3.0.2 is different from the old WoW and TBC
I will not look at this and think that Mythic should worry. Before Blizzard talk next time, I want details and how many people left for WAR just like they said it on AoC. BTW if they won't say it, that means it wasn't a crushing blow like AoC was. So WAR haters rage on and WoW fanboi's bring it on for this next Epic Thread of talking smack on another person over internet from maybe a world apart.
.....
ROFLMAO!
Why are you Warhammer players that start these threads so butt hurt? I don't get it. Just go bury your heads in some scenarios somewhere for another 20 levels and stop starting threads. It's totally counterproductive.
You pi** and moan about the WoW players that do it, and yet....here again is another WAR player doing it. If you want to look more intelligent and mature than the posters that annoy you so much (i.e., the ones you call "WoW fanbois"), then don't do the same things they do. Geez.
I think Jeff Whatshisname was WAY off base sayin' the crap he did, but for Mark Jacobs to get his panties all in a twist about it and incite all the WAR fans into the same silly frenzy over something some doofus at Blizzard said, is just SILLY. It makes him and everyone who responds to that ridiculous interview with the Blizzard guy, just look as immature and trite as HE did in the interview.
Both games are successful. So what now?
Arnt you a warhammer player? And who are you calling silly mrs cat with boxing gloves.
i m an ex warcraft player . i ve not played since spring this year because i just got bored with it . since then i ve been playing lord of the rings . i ve recently started up warhammer and i m having a lot of fun in it . i cant comment on the endgame because i m not there yet . do i intend to return to warcraft ? yes of course i do . i still like the game and the new content will give me a reason to return . but that does nt mean i wont be playing warhammer as well . i ll just alternate between the two . i also intend to return to lord of the rings at some point . you see just because someone leaves for wow it does nt mean they are going to stay there .
what warhammer needs is a free trial . its a good solid game unlike age of conan and vanguard . they have nothing to hide and everything to gain from letting people try it before they buy . in lots of way its far easier to get into than wow and more enjoyable .
Let's talk about 'my' WOW in 3 months. 1. My guild will run 10 man raids.. there will be about 10 of them to progress through (4 at launch).
2. My guild will run endgame instances and heroics (there will be about 10 of each at lvl 80 I)
3. We will do Wintergrasp at least 3 nights a week before raids, and probably mess around in there some other nights
4. I'll be doing the battlegrounds a few times each every week for honor and tokens (5 bgs)
5. I'll be working on my crafting and getting mats to make endgame gear and consumables from enchanting, insciption and jewelrycrafting. I'll also probably still be working on building my harley motorcycles for my alts
6. I'll be doing my 2man and 5man Arena games and probably getting owned
7. I'll be doing dailies and trying to get the cooking/fishing rare items
8. My moonkin is going to be working on achievements, especially the quest and exploration ones
9. Occasionally I'll mess around with my Death Knight, but that will be a side thing. I already have too many alts to play If you think that a person is only going to grind the same raid over and over again, that is because that is all that person wants to so. Everything I listed here has viable rewards and progression and is fun. So tell me.. oh player of a great game. Where is the crafting in Warhammer? Where is the PVE raid and dungeon progression.. heck. where is ANYTHING except grinding scenerios. Is there a viable way to progress your character in Warhammer besides grinding scenarios. Most servers are on low/low or low/med which means RvR is not a viable way to level your character. Quests and mob exp dries up at lvl 20, so that is barely viable. Unless you play on a handfull of full/full servers, you are stuck queueing for scenarios as your only real way of progressing your character. There are many many ways to progress your character in WOW.. all of the things i listed above. If a player grinds bgs or grinds raids. it's because that player doesn't want to do other things.. not because they aren't viable.
You make some very valid points, WoW offers so much more than WAR when progressing your character.
All WAR has is scenario grinding which gets boring very quick. I will cancel my WAR sub after not even completeting t4, theres only so many seiges and sc's you can do before it gets stale. Open RvR doesnt even work with the population imbalances.
Mythic have failed with WAR... blizzard are still the king
Let's talk about 'my' WOW in 3 months. 1. My guild will run 10 man raids.. there will be about 10 of them to progress through (4 at launch).
2. My guild will run endgame instances and heroics (there will be about 10 of each at lvl 80 I)
3. We will do Wintergrasp at least 3 nights a week before raids, and probably mess around in there some other nights
4. I'll be doing the battlegrounds a few times each every week for honor and tokens (5 bgs)
5. I'll be working on my crafting and getting mats to make endgame gear and consumables from enchanting, insciption and jewelrycrafting. I'll also probably still be working on building my harley motorcycles for my alts
6. I'll be doing my 2man and 5man Arena games and probably getting owned
7. I'll be doing dailies and trying to get the cooking/fishing rare items
8. My moonkin is going to be working on achievements, especially the quest and exploration ones
9. Occasionally I'll mess around with my Death Knight, but that will be a side thing. I already have too many alts to play If you think that a person is only going to grind the same raid over and over again, that is because that is all that person wants to so. Everything I listed here has viable rewards and progression and is fun. So tell me.. oh player of a great game. Where is the crafting in Warhammer? Where is the PVE raid and dungeon progression.. heck. where is ANYTHING except grinding scenerios. Is there a viable way to progress your character in Warhammer besides grinding scenarios. Most servers are on low/low or low/med which means RvR is not a viable way to level your character. Quests and mob exp dries up at lvl 20, so that is barely viable. Unless you play on a handfull of full/full servers, you are stuck queueing for scenarios as your only real way of progressing your character. There are many many ways to progress your character in WOW.. all of the things i listed above. If a player grinds bgs or grinds raids. it's because that player doesn't want to do other things.. not because they aren't viable.
You make some very valid points, WoW offers so much more than WAR when progressing your character.
All WAR has is scenario grinding which gets boring very quick. I will cancel my WAR sub after not even completeting t4, theres only so many seiges and sc's you can do before it gets stale. Open RvR doesnt even work with the population imbalances.
Mythic have failed with WAR... blizzard are still the king
Hmm you guys must try actually playing warhammer. you can progress your character though public quests, pve, scenarios, and open field RvR.
last time i played wow, i only remember pve grind/quests as any means to level up, at least at the lower levels. Im sure there is more endgame content in wow, it better, it has been out over 4 years right? So what do i have to do to get to all of this fun content in wow? i have to grind 70-80 levels, grind raids/BS so i can get the right gear, THEN enjoy all the endgame content. I fail to see the many options on which to progress in that.
i like that war gives me the options to how i want to level up my character. See the people who grind sceanrios do it as their chice, not because its the only way to go. Scenarios are fun, but i like open field RvR and public quests a bit more. Its all about balance.
The problem with pointing out the grind in WoW is that when you get to 40 in WAR what do you think you will be doing. Getting rr80 and fighting for keeps which really is just never ending unwinable grind.
It's going to be even worse because whilst there are many types of grind in WoW in WAR there is really only 1, pvp.
I can't believe that it won't get very boring for a lot of people quickly.
The problem with pointing out the grind in WoW is that when you get to 40 in WAR what do you think you will be doing. Getting rr80 and fighting for keeps which really is just never ending unwinable grind. It's going to be even worse because whilst there are many types of grind in WoW in WAR there is really only 1, pvp. I can't believe that it won't get very boring for a lot of people quickly.
its a shame that a game that has been out for a month cant have the endgame content of a 4yr+ old game with several expansions already released.
Anyone know what the endgame content of wow was after 1 month?
you guys act like the game isnt going to change, they are not going to update....you realy act like mythic has released the game and they will just let it die now...kind of silly considering mythic has 2 games with decent population that have been running since 1996...
The problem with pointing out the grind in WoW is that when you get to 40 in WAR what do you think you will be doing. Getting rr80 and fighting for keeps which really is just never ending unwinable grind. It's going to be even worse because whilst there are many types of grind in WoW in WAR there is really only 1, pvp. I can't believe that it won't get very boring for a lot of people quickly.
Because killing the same ?? scripted deathknight is the same as killing 30+ living, breathing, smart(or dumb) people right? I take it as an end game raid to fight onyxia except they are REAL people. So what really happens when 2 raids from different factions clash? A really kick ass game is what happens....
It's not a grind it's fun. If your not having the fun you intended to have then you are doing it all wrong.
Ps. Also subpro has very good sarcasm for those who got confused...
The problem with pointing out the grind in WoW is that when you get to 40 in WAR what do you think you will be doing. Getting rr80 and fighting for keeps which really is just never ending unwinable grind. It's going to be even worse because whilst there are many types of grind in WoW in WAR there is really only 1, pvp. I can't believe that it won't get very boring for a lot of people quickly.
its a shame that a game that has been out for a month cant have the endgame content of a 4yr+ old game with several expansions already released.
Anyone know what the endgame content of wow was after 1 month?
you guys act like the game isnt going to change, they are not going to update....you realy act like mythic has released the game and they will just let it die now...kind of silly considering mythic has 2 games with decent population that have been running since 1996...
Yes of course it will get better but I don't think it will end up with a large amount of subs, more than enough to survive but not enough to be considered a runaway success.
By making it very similar to WoW they have put themselves in direct competition to a game thats has had years to polish itself and already does a lot of what they do but much better. Maybe not rvr, although WoW is implementing something like it, but everything else like pve, crafting, immersion, social aspects ect.
Is good rvr enough to make it more worthy of the general players subscription money? Probably not I think.
The problem with pointing out the grind in WoW is that when you get to 40 in WAR what do you think you will be doing. Getting rr80 and fighting for keeps which really is just never ending unwinable grind. It's going to be even worse because whilst there are many types of grind in WoW in WAR there is really only 1, pvp. I can't believe that it won't get very boring for a lot of people quickly.
Because killing the same ?? scripted deathknight is the same as killing 30+ living, breathing, smart(or dumb) people right? I take it as an end game raid to fight onyxia except they are REAL people. So what really happens when 2 raids from different factions clash? A really kick ass game is what happens....
It's not a grind it's fun. If your not having the fun you intended to have then you are doing it all wrong.
Ps. Also subpro has very good sarcasm for those who got confused...
It might not look like grind now but I think you might have a different opinion in 3 months time.
Let's talk about 'my' WOW in 3 months. 1. My guild will run 10 man raids.. there will be about 10 of them to progress through (4 at launch).
2. My guild will run endgame instances and heroics (there will be about 10 of each at lvl 80 I)
3. We will do Wintergrasp at least 3 nights a week before raids, and probably mess around in there some other nights
4. I'll be doing the battlegrounds a few times each every week for honor and tokens (5 bgs)
5. I'll be working on my crafting and getting mats to make endgame gear and consumables from enchanting, insciption and jewelrycrafting. I'll also probably still be working on building my harley motorcycles for my alts
6. I'll be doing my 2man and 5man Arena games and probably getting owned
7. I'll be doing dailies and trying to get the cooking/fishing rare items
8. My moonkin is going to be working on achievements, especially the quest and exploration ones
9. Occasionally I'll mess around with my Death Knight, but that will be a side thing. I already have too many alts to play If you think that a person is only going to grind the same raid over and over again, that is because that is all that person wants to so. Everything I listed here has viable rewards and progression and is fun. So tell me.. oh player of a great game. Where is the crafting in Warhammer? Where is the PVE raid and dungeon progression.. heck. where is ANYTHING except grinding scenerios. Is there a viable way to progress your character in Warhammer besides grinding scenarios. Most servers are on low/low or low/med which means RvR is not a viable way to level your character. Quests and mob exp dries up at lvl 20, so that is barely viable. Unless you play on a handfull of full/full servers, you are stuck queueing for scenarios as your only real way of progressing your character. There are many many ways to progress your character in WOW.. all of the things i listed above. If a player grinds bgs or grinds raids. it's because that player doesn't want to do other things.. not because they aren't viable.
You make some very valid points, WoW offers so much more than WAR when progressing your character.
All WAR has is scenario grinding which gets boring very quick. I will cancel my WAR sub after not even completeting t4, theres only so many seiges and sc's you can do before it gets stale. Open RvR doesnt even work with the population imbalances.
Mythic have failed with WAR... blizzard are still the king
If all you guys did was grind scenarios then thats why the game is boring. You can level up by doing quests, scenarios or doing RvR and its not hard to find people to do RvR. Im on a medium server and we had 3 warbands going and defended and capuring for hours. Mixing it up is nice so you don't get burnt out on things. WoW was just to blah to me and I was mostly a PvE person when I played that game. Now that i play War, WoW seems like nothing to me and I wondered why I even played it.
In War there is boss lairs to find, dungeons to raid and crafting they only have 2 crafts because they are the only 2 usefull crafts. I did leathercrafting in WoW and it was pointless why make stuff when you can get better stuff in dungeons. The only crafts worth doing in WoW are Gem making and Potion making same as WAR.
So either you guys are to blind to see what War has to offer or you just don't want to except it. Which is fine you guys like WoW I like War. Just don't make up bs and say that all there is to do in War is grind scenarios cuz its pure fallacy.
The problem with pointing out the grind in WoW is that when you get to 40 in WAR what do you think you will be doing. Getting rr80 and fighting for keeps which really is just never ending unwinable grind. It's going to be even worse because whilst there are many types of grind in WoW in WAR there is really only 1, pvp. I can't believe that it won't get very boring for a lot of people quickly.
Because killing the same ?? scripted deathknight is the same as killing 30+ living, breathing, smart(or dumb) people right? I take it as an end game raid to fight onyxia except they are REAL people. So what really happens when 2 raids from different factions clash? A really kick ass game is what happens....
It's not a grind it's fun. If your not having the fun you intended to have then you are doing it all wrong.
Ps. Also subpro has very good sarcasm for those who got confused...
It might not look like grind now but I think you might have a different opinion in 3 months time.
I'll ask you this... was tarren mill vs. southshore a grind when WoW came out? NO people did it everyday beacause it was FUN!
The trouble with WOW is it has nothing new to offer people and youll be in there for hours and hours a time whether you are PVe or PVP motivated.
WOW constantly shaft their loyal customers by upgrading everything so players are left with an empty pit in their stomachs when they realise all the effort they put in to distinguish themselves gets handed to virtually anyone for a tiny proportion of the effort.
WoTLK will be popular but their will be the backlash as more people realise that it is the same formula with some extras added in.
The people that try WAR and barely get past the first few levels are like old ladies that cant/wont try anything new becasue it doesnt immediately feel comfortable, or kiddies that cant handle aa set of characters that are extremely well balanced and require a reasobnable level of proper teamplay to play well against another team. There are also the numbtes that log on and dont realise they chose a new server or a full one and are behind the curve on levelling because there are not hundreds of kids on free trials or gold sellers running around in the low levels areas and cant find a scenario to jump into t olevel quickly, do the pve or read a websitrte to find the FP to other zones/capitol cirty etc.
WAR has some great PVE as wel las the fantasitic RvR that is just hotting up and whilst RvR is pvp it is a far cry from wows. PvE players should enjoy WARs pvp becasue it is substantially team orientated and lends itself to similar levels of cooperation and understanding of character as a pve raid - it is just that your opposition can think and will react differently every time. pve players of quality will have great fun developing strategies to deal with the fairly mindless section of pvp players that just charge into a situation like morons and get creamed and there are plenty of them to get your teeth into - seriously you dont know what you are missing.
pointless people slagging off WOW or WAR they are both good - but uf yuyou play wow and you havent tried WAR you should - no reason you cant play both especially since end game WAR is about a constant struggle between both sides to control certain areas of the game through rvr, scenarrios 9BGs) public quests and pve raids (substantially). If you are in a decent guild - it is easty to log on for as ong as you want - and achieve something vlauable for yourself and your faction in whatever time you have.
It ga question of whart are the otehr side up to tonight- were are they going to attack - or where are we going to attack and off you go. Moreover it seems you can access the game substantially at al lelvels and solo you can group up easily so no need for signing your free time aaway to a guild leader or having to miss out on large parts of the game.
Two games...one is considered "the King" (WoW) based on it's numbers while the other one is a new, fresh game (WAR) which might never be "the King", it wasn't made to be the King...but it was made to be a fun game.
The WoW poll which you may tell "why you left the game" to Activision Blizzard but it is never a great source of information (like Wikipedia). There are a few thousand of people who may have came back to WoW, where some may believe to sell gold since Mythic is really "destroying" right now.
The main difference you might see in WoW and WAR is that Blizzard would wait before banning gold sellers to earn some cash themselves unlike Mythic (this almost sounds like a Presidential Debate).
Will WoW be hurt by WAR in the next coming months? In a sence yes but only for the reason that it's fresh and is ex-WoW friendly. The only thing that I can see that can dethrone WoW is WoW itself with the help of the MMO Industry. The WoW Devs and their "loyal subjects" arn't getting along so well and the Expansion will mark the end of WoW.
It will take time though before WoW is dethroned but the first step is arriving...
By: Magter the Doomsayer
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
I'm no wow fanboi but bliz has nothing to fear from warhammer. The game is dull boring and devoid of any real content. The patches they have been rolling out are making it worse. Open pvp which is what most people got this game for is pretty much dead on most servers. Once you get to 40 there is nothing to do but grind the same boring pvp instance to gain renown rank which leads to crappy gear and a few extra abilities.
With a couple months of work the game could be great but even if it is by then who will be left to care anyway. I have no intention of going back to wow but i see no reason to keep playing this much longer either right now. The biggest mistake they made is putting in stuff like instance pvp that every other MMO has. You have to do something different to get people to leave one game for another.
They recently announced that sometime later this fall (which means x-mas in mmo terms) they will have a couple new classes (some of the ones they cut before launch) I really don't see a great deal of people sticking around for that though.
Comments
I have a life so no to raids.
I dont find makeing imaginary items fun. And the fact you wanna fish in a video game is kinda um I dont know... well im sure someone has told you before.
Its sad that all you think of a game is grinding. I dont pay 15 dollars a month to grind. I... Just wannaaa have fuuuun. Ooooh I just wanna have fun.
It wasnt WoW that created this sicknes oh no kids it started a long time ago in EQ land.
I remember back in the day people starving to death cause the grind was just so important. Reports of people loosing there familys.
Its a carrot, you know that right and each time you get near that carrot Blizzard will move it. Its a endless game of carrot chassing.
Seriously you sound like those guys who pat themselves on the back once they reach cap. Your not realy doing anything but reaching lvl 100 on mario and once you do its the same game in techno color. Trust me Ive beat Super Mario Bros.
The reason why Animal Crossings sold more than Warhammer is because AC is for the average casual Wii gamer and 30 million Wii's have been sold and alot of console games outsell MMORPG's anyways. Most of the MMORPG population is playing WoW right now Id say, and War is a PvP game so its interests an even lower amount of people.
I for one quit WoW for this game and Im glad and Im still playing after the free month. So what if this game can't compete with WoW I never expected it to. We are weeding out all the douches and crybabies that complain about ever little thing.
I'm afriad "douches" does not carry the same weight as "douchebag", but good try.
Or how about douche applicator?
I dispute the numbers. First how would Blizzard know how many of their WoW players also tried Warhammer? Did they take an exit poll? I believe that Blizzard may have observed a dip in their numbers when Warhammer was released and attribute the dip to the release. That is different from knowing. I would also believe that WoW usage and subscriptions are climbing pre WotLK and that might erase such a dip. To then make a claim that people who left WoW for WAR are now returning to WoW is pure fabrication.
There is only one place I know of that actually makes its figures about who is playing what public and that is gamerDNA.com. I heard similar claims when AoC was a month old. When we looked at our members actual play they were not leaving AoC to return to WoW. They were taking a break from MMORPG altogether and taking up good old CoD4 and the like. AoC seemed more like methdone for MMORPG addicts.
You can see the chart and Sanya Weathers explaination here.
We have not had a look at WoW to WAR and back again because WAR is not failing. 750K subscribers is a good start. I think WoW had 500K back in the day. If someone buttonholed me for an answer on where WAR players were coming from, I'd guess it was out of the DOAC, GW and the long tail. If you are not familiar with the term...
Here is the Wikipedia explanation of the "Long Tail."
Create a signature for your guild on gamerDNA.com
Yeah, I saw that as well... Pretty sad...
The only reason WoW even exists is thanks to Warhammer 40000 tabletop universe where they ripped most of their ideas. I cam care less to hear about WoW on a Warhammer board.
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
Six of my friends quit WoW for Warhammer. All of them chose "Other" as reason for canceling subscription instead of "I'm moving to Warhammer". None of them went back to WoW. So what's the point really?
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
ROFLMAO!
Why are you Warhammer players that start these threads so butt hurt? I don't get it. Just go bury your heads in some scenarios somewhere for another 20 levels and stop starting threads. It's totally counterproductive.
You pi** and moan about the WoW players that do it, and yet....here again is another WAR player doing it. If you want to look more intelligent and mature than the posters that annoy you so much (i.e., the ones you call "WoW fanbois"), then don't do the same things they do. Geez.
I think Jeff Whatshisname was WAY off base sayin' the crap he did, but for Mark Jacobs to get his panties all in a twist about it and incite all the WAR fans into the same silly frenzy over something some doofus at Blizzard said, is just SILLY. It makes him and everyone who responds to that ridiculous interview with the Blizzard guy, just look as immature and trite as HE did in the interview.
Both games are successful. So what now?
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
ROFLMAO!
Why are you Warhammer players that start these threads so butt hurt? I don't get it. Just go bury your heads in some scenarios somewhere for another 20 levels and stop starting threads. It's totally counterproductive.
You pi** and moan about the WoW players that do it, and yet....here again is another WAR player doing it. If you want to look more intelligent and mature than the posters that annoy you so much (i.e., the ones you call "WoW fanbois"), then don't do the same things they do. Geez.
I think Jeff Whatshisname was WAY off base sayin' the crap he did, but for Mark Jacobs to get his panties all in a twist about it and incite all the WAR fans into the same silly frenzy over something some doofus at Blizzard said, is just SILLY. It makes him and everyone who responds to that ridiculous interview with the Blizzard guy, just look as immature and trite as HE did in the interview.
Both games are successful. So what now?
Arnt you a warhammer player? And who are you calling silly mrs cat with boxing gloves.
i m an ex warcraft player . i ve not played since spring this year because i just got bored with it . since then i ve been playing lord of the rings . i ve recently started up warhammer and i m having a lot of fun in it . i cant comment on the endgame because i m not there yet . do i intend to return to warcraft ? yes of course i do . i still like the game and the new content will give me a reason to return . but that does nt mean i wont be playing warhammer as well . i ll just alternate between the two . i also intend to return to lord of the rings at some point . you see just because someone leaves for wow it does nt mean they are going to stay there .
what warhammer needs is a free trial . its a good solid game unlike age of conan and vanguard . they have nothing to hide and everything to gain from letting people try it before they buy . in lots of way its far easier to get into than wow and more enjoyable .
You make some very valid points, WoW offers so much more than WAR when progressing your character.
All WAR has is scenario grinding which gets boring very quick. I will cancel my WAR sub after not even completeting t4, theres only so many seiges and sc's you can do before it gets stale. Open RvR doesnt even work with the population imbalances.
Mythic have failed with WAR... blizzard are still the king
GW2 the future of MMO gaming
You make some very valid points, WoW offers so much more than WAR when progressing your character.
All WAR has is scenario grinding which gets boring very quick. I will cancel my WAR sub after not even completeting t4, theres only so many seiges and sc's you can do before it gets stale. Open RvR doesnt even work with the population imbalances.
Mythic have failed with WAR... blizzard are still the king
Hmm you guys must try actually playing warhammer. you can progress your character though public quests, pve, scenarios, and open field RvR.
last time i played wow, i only remember pve grind/quests as any means to level up, at least at the lower levels. Im sure there is more endgame content in wow, it better, it has been out over 4 years right? So what do i have to do to get to all of this fun content in wow? i have to grind 70-80 levels, grind raids/BS so i can get the right gear, THEN enjoy all the endgame content. I fail to see the many options on which to progress in that.
i like that war gives me the options to how i want to level up my character. See the people who grind sceanrios do it as their chice, not because its the only way to go. Scenarios are fun, but i like open field RvR and public quests a bit more. Its all about balance.
The problem with pointing out the grind in WoW is that when you get to 40 in WAR what do you think you will be doing. Getting rr80 and fighting for keeps which really is just never ending unwinable grind.
It's going to be even worse because whilst there are many types of grind in WoW in WAR there is really only 1, pvp.
I can't believe that it won't get very boring for a lot of people quickly.
its a shame that a game that has been out for a month cant have the endgame content of a 4yr+ old game with several expansions already released.
Anyone know what the endgame content of wow was after 1 month?
you guys act like the game isnt going to change, they are not going to update....you realy act like mythic has released the game and they will just let it die now...kind of silly considering mythic has 2 games with decent population that have been running since 1996...
Because killing the same ?? scripted deathknight is the same as killing 30+ living, breathing, smart(or dumb) people right? I take it as an end game raid to fight onyxia except they are REAL people. So what really happens when 2 raids from different factions clash? A really kick ass game is what happens....
It's not a grind it's fun. If your not having the fun you intended to have then you are doing it all wrong.
Ps. Also subpro has very good sarcasm for those who got confused...
its a shame that a game that has been out for a month cant have the endgame content of a 4yr+ old game with several expansions already released.
Anyone know what the endgame content of wow was after 1 month?
you guys act like the game isnt going to change, they are not going to update....you realy act like mythic has released the game and they will just let it die now...kind of silly considering mythic has 2 games with decent population that have been running since 1996...
Yes of course it will get better but I don't think it will end up with a large amount of subs, more than enough to survive but not enough to be considered a runaway success.
By making it very similar to WoW they have put themselves in direct competition to a game thats has had years to polish itself and already does a lot of what they do but much better. Maybe not rvr, although WoW is implementing something like it, but everything else like pve, crafting, immersion, social aspects ect.
Is good rvr enough to make it more worthy of the general players subscription money? Probably not I think.
Because killing the same ?? scripted deathknight is the same as killing 30+ living, breathing, smart(or dumb) people right? I take it as an end game raid to fight onyxia except they are REAL people. So what really happens when 2 raids from different factions clash? A really kick ass game is what happens....
It's not a grind it's fun. If your not having the fun you intended to have then you are doing it all wrong.
Ps. Also subpro has very good sarcasm for those who got confused...
It might not look like grind now but I think you might have a different opinion in 3 months time.
You make some very valid points, WoW offers so much more than WAR when progressing your character.
All WAR has is scenario grinding which gets boring very quick. I will cancel my WAR sub after not even completeting t4, theres only so many seiges and sc's you can do before it gets stale. Open RvR doesnt even work with the population imbalances.
Mythic have failed with WAR... blizzard are still the king
If all you guys did was grind scenarios then thats why the game is boring. You can level up by doing quests, scenarios or doing RvR and its not hard to find people to do RvR. Im on a medium server and we had 3 warbands going and defended and capuring for hours. Mixing it up is nice so you don't get burnt out on things. WoW was just to blah to me and I was mostly a PvE person when I played that game. Now that i play War, WoW seems like nothing to me and I wondered why I even played it.
In War there is boss lairs to find, dungeons to raid and crafting they only have 2 crafts because they are the only 2 usefull crafts. I did leathercrafting in WoW and it was pointless why make stuff when you can get better stuff in dungeons. The only crafts worth doing in WoW are Gem making and Potion making same as WAR.
So either you guys are to blind to see what War has to offer or you just don't want to except it. Which is fine you guys like WoW I like War. Just don't make up bs and say that all there is to do in War is grind scenarios cuz its pure fallacy.
Because killing the same ?? scripted deathknight is the same as killing 30+ living, breathing, smart(or dumb) people right? I take it as an end game raid to fight onyxia except they are REAL people. So what really happens when 2 raids from different factions clash? A really kick ass game is what happens....
It's not a grind it's fun. If your not having the fun you intended to have then you are doing it all wrong.
Ps. Also subpro has very good sarcasm for those who got confused...
It might not look like grind now but I think you might have a different opinion in 3 months time.
I'll ask you this... was tarren mill vs. southshore a grind when WoW came out? NO people did it everyday beacause it was FUN!
I'll ask you this... was tarren mill vs. southshore a grind when WoW came out? NO people did it everyday beacause it was FUN!
Yes it was fun, but I wouldn't want it to be the only focus of my game.
It wouldn't keep interested long term.
I need other things to do as well and I would be willing to bet most other people do as well.
Look both games are good.
The trouble with WOW is it has nothing new to offer people and youll be in there for hours and hours a time whether you are PVe or PVP motivated.
WOW constantly shaft their loyal customers by upgrading everything so players are left with an empty pit in their stomachs when they realise all the effort they put in to distinguish themselves gets handed to virtually anyone for a tiny proportion of the effort.
WoTLK will be popular but their will be the backlash as more people realise that it is the same formula with some extras added in.
The people that try WAR and barely get past the first few levels are like old ladies that cant/wont try anything new becasue it doesnt immediately feel comfortable, or kiddies that cant handle aa set of characters that are extremely well balanced and require a reasobnable level of proper teamplay to play well against another team. There are also the numbtes that log on and dont realise they chose a new server or a full one and are behind the curve on levelling because there are not hundreds of kids on free trials or gold sellers running around in the low levels areas and cant find a scenario to jump into t olevel quickly, do the pve or read a websitrte to find the FP to other zones/capitol cirty etc.
WAR has some great PVE as wel las the fantasitic RvR that is just hotting up and whilst RvR is pvp it is a far cry from wows. PvE players should enjoy WARs pvp becasue it is substantially team orientated and lends itself to similar levels of cooperation and understanding of character as a pve raid - it is just that your opposition can think and will react differently every time. pve players of quality will have great fun developing strategies to deal with the fairly mindless section of pvp players that just charge into a situation like morons and get creamed and there are plenty of them to get your teeth into - seriously you dont know what you are missing.
pointless people slagging off WOW or WAR they are both good - but uf yuyou play wow and you havent tried WAR you should - no reason you cant play both especially since end game WAR is about a constant struggle between both sides to control certain areas of the game through rvr, scenarrios 9BGs) public quests and pve raids (substantially). If you are in a decent guild - it is easty to log on for as ong as you want - and achieve something vlauable for yourself and your faction in whatever time you have.
It ga question of whart are the otehr side up to tonight- were are they going to attack - or where are we going to attack and off you go. Moreover it seems you can access the game substantially at al lelvels and solo you can group up easily so no need for signing your free time aaway to a guild leader or having to miss out on large parts of the game.
I will play wotlk but WAR will be my main mmog .
Two games...one is considered "the King" (WoW)
based on it's numbers while the other one is a new, fresh game (WAR) which might never be "the King", it wasn't made to be the King...but it was made to be a fun game.
The WoW poll which you may tell "why you left the game" to Activision Blizzard but it is never a great source of information (like Wikipedia). There are a few thousand of people who may have came back to WoW, where some may believe to sell gold since Mythic is really "destroying" right now.
The main difference you might see in WoW and WAR is that Blizzard would wait before banning gold sellers to earn some cash themselves unlike Mythic (this almost sounds like a Presidential Debate).
Will WoW be hurt by WAR in the next coming months? In a sence yes but only for the reason that it's fresh and is ex-WoW friendly. The only thing that I can see that can dethrone WoW is WoW itself with the help of the MMO Industry. The WoW Devs and their "loyal subjects" arn't getting along so well and the Expansion will mark the end of WoW.
It will take time though before WoW is dethroned but the first step is arriving...
By: Magter the Doomsayer
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
The more WoW players that go home the better...
Lewk- Healer of Legacy Gareth
McDee- Spiritmaster of Maelstrom Percival
Murgu- Skald of Mordred
I'm no wow fanboi but bliz has nothing to fear from warhammer. The game is dull boring and devoid of any real content. The patches they have been rolling out are making it worse. Open pvp which is what most people got this game for is pretty much dead on most servers. Once you get to 40 there is nothing to do but grind the same boring pvp instance to gain renown rank which leads to crappy gear and a few extra abilities.
With a couple months of work the game could be great but even if it is by then who will be left to care anyway. I have no intention of going back to wow but i see no reason to keep playing this much longer either right now. The biggest mistake they made is putting in stuff like instance pvp that every other MMO has. You have to do something different to get people to leave one game for another.
They recently announced that sometime later this fall (which means x-mas in mmo terms) they will have a couple new classes (some of the ones they cut before launch) I really don't see a great deal of people sticking around for that though.