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Blizz! I was told pallies are getting nerfed....
yourhead
Member Posts: 78
That's a nerf?
They went from GOD mode to JESUS mode so yeah ret pallies can still wtfpwn every class.
So I need feedback here.
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What class do you play? and where are you fighting? BGs or arena?
I really don't have any problems with Ret pallys (on my frost mage). They drastically nerfed their 'burst' damage so they can't stun kill you anymore. But all pallys were always fairly tough in long fights. it's really hard to give you advice if I don't know what you play.
I have a warlock. I can beat them sometimes with all my potions and cooldowns ready but not normally. My buddy has a solid ret and he agrees. He'll never admit it publicly ofcourse.
Just as a side line to this thread, i was just outside Area 52 yesterday levelling a mage when a L70 Pally came sweeping by gathering Zaxxis targets to farm. He was taking on 6-9 Zaxxis at a time and walking away with less than a 20% loss in health at the end of it, that's pretty heavy killing power. OK, he/she was well kitted and very well practiced, but still that is pretty heavy going.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
You should see what my moonkin can do with barksin, starfall, hurricaine and that new heal-over-time spell I can cast in moonkin form (herbalism).
Mages are also very good at AOEing down a lot of mobs.
Just thought i'd throw in my two cents.
I quit wow right before BC. I had a 60 mage and pally. The pally was my main until I got to end game and found they were awful compared to all other classes at everything. We couldn't tank, and were not allowed to wear tank gear, or roll against tanks. Our dps was awful compared to the other dps classes, and we could not sustain it, and we were generally not allowed to roll against the "real" dps. This also went for healing gear, don't care what guild your in most healers bitch when you roll against them for that uber ring/trinkit/weapon. ( Before you say "you need a guild and this don't happen" I was in one and I fully understand this with dkp, but you still always get your whiners).
I made my mage my main after I started doing mc, and played till about the end of blackwing lair, then i quit wow right before BC came out. I recently resubbed so i can see all the new content before wotlk comes out, or most of what i can see without heavy raiding.
With the latest patches my pally has been wonderful to play, especially in the prot/ret tree. I no longer have to sit in the back and cleanse/flash heal for hours on end. Pally trees have been redone wonderfully in my opinion. Also, The latest patch has not only lowered pallys intial burst dps, but there ability to maintain it. Also who knows if it will balance toward endgame or not.
Pretty much all classes have been overpowered at one points or another( I STILL FREAKING HATE WARLOCKS, and yes i know how pathetic they were to begin with in early days.) I get crit hits from boomkins for 6k, mages not as high but huge burst damage/burns, priests can outheal my damage more times then not, rogues can still stunlock and take out more of your health, warriors still have 15-20k life and can now dual wield two handers for insane damage, etc.
Just because your not happy you can't completly own pallies the same way doesn't make them as overpowered as you may think. ( Yes i do agree that they needed some nerfs, and yes i know more will come regardless of what blizzard says.) GIve pallies there time to shine, I honestly know they have been beaten and abuses far more then any class out there, constantly rechanges to how there damages work, what there rolls should be.
Sorry for the long rant.
Any class that can heal, bubble, wear plate and then stun you till your dead is overpowered. If pallies want to go ret, they should be forced to wear cloth and lose their bubble. Pallies just charge at me, stun me, and Im dead before I can break stun.
never played a pala, but i dont think they are overpowered...
this might be because i never pvp, but before the patch the only thing pala`s were good for was tanking or healing. im glad for them that they can finally compete with the other dps classes...
"There actually is a path, you just have to be able to see it..."
"well if that is all," said the blind guy.
Paladins are the most kitable class in the game. They have a stun and a sleep, both on significant cooldowns. Thats it. If you let a Paladin run up to you and kill you during 1 stun then you suck.
I have a horribly geared Ret Paladin(because I got to 70 then moved on to a class that wasnt looked down on by everyone) and I did a Heroic Mech run last night. I had to drink after nearly every pull because I was going through mana like nothing. Blizzard says to not do Consecration but that is probably the dumbest advice ever because Conc is a huge factor in Paladin DPS. Its like Blizzard doesnt even play Paladins, or have ever. They are so completely clueless with Paladins.
The reason behind this is because ret paly have ONE dps tree so at 80 they wont really be getting any dps boost compared to other class that will make crazy build . They will still be crazy dpser but not anywhere near they are right now .
It is like that in every bracket . In the 39s lock own cause of teir talent then in the 49s its enhancement shaman ETC ETC .
The big thing will pallys is to realize they have 2 nice abilities, and both are on long cooldowns.
Don't blow your cooldowns when they bubble, and then just kite them to death. This should be especially easy on a warlock ( I don't pvp with my lock so don't know). But I know on my frost mage and moonkin, they are pretty easy to kite. I don't usually lose to Pallys, I lose to the person I 'back' into while kiting the pally
In all my teachings through life, God was the Father, Jesus was the Son,. So if you follow that reasoning, Pally's have been nerfed
In all my teachings through life, God was the Father, Jesus was the Son,. So if you follow that reasoning, Pally's have been nerfed
/facepalm
He wasn't saying that they never got nerfed, he was trying to say that pallys have gone from hideously overpowered > Still OP but not as stupid as they were.
Pallie's
Should have been nerfed when the game started! They where and have been the strongest class in the game! There was never reasoning why I can be a Tank/healer/ and bitch. I hope they get rid of the whole class together!
In all my teachings through life, God was the Father, Jesus was the Son,. So if you follow that reasoning, Pally's have been nerfed
/facepalm
He wasn't saying that they never got nerfed, he was trying to say that pallys have gone from hideously overpowered > Still OP but not as stupid as they were.
Obviously he doesn't think it was a nerf because his first sentence calls in question the nerf.
"That's a nerf?"
I was being a bit facetious in my reply.
Either that or to express how insignificant the nerf is. Anyways, it's hard to be facetious on the internet, (Unless you throw in one of these wicked smilies
) half of it flys over my head.
Back on topic. Hell yeahs, i think they should nerf paladins.
They should nerf pallies TO THE GROUND BABY!
Either that or to express how insignificant the nerf is. Anyways, it's hard to be facetious on the internet, (Unless you throw in one of these wicked smilies
) half of it flys over my head.
Back on topic. Hell yeahs, i think they should nerf paladins.
They should nerf pallies TO THE GROUND BABY!
TO THE GROUND!!!
This is probably why from launch paladin was the most played class.
The only tank class any group wanted.
Always lead the leader boards.
Oh wait...
My warlock is in crap gear and I haven't played much at all since TBC came out... if I lost to a paladin I would delete and never post about it.
Oh and if you were curious my Warlock was my main from the games launch.. back when there was maybe 3 other warlocks on my server over 20 because everyone thought they sucked.
Based on the multiple pages of things that were toned down I can imagine they were pretty stupid for a period of time.. but to say they were always the strongest class... seems a touch .. out of touch with the reality of the game.
What ranged class that can kite at all.. actually loses to a paladin?