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Why so much hate?
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Granted, there are several games that I hate. But I PLAYED THEM first. Why do so many people hate this game before it even releases?
Why not wait til it releases, play it, and then see if you still hate it so much? Yeah its been in development for a long time, so what?
All the people that cant keep their trap shut for now saying "there isnt really a game" or "its a failure waiting to happen" should be barred from playing it.
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Not really sure how the op is trolling. Seems like every post that doesnt have clear cut facts about anything is a troll. Get over yourselves.
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Why is this post not dealt with yet?
op has a semi legit concern though could have worded it better.
you would know though right random mage? how many of your threads have been locked or removed ? at least one this morning...i know you are bitter but you arent the person to play forum police around here.
sounds like you just fall into the category in op and take offense. op is actually making a good point that many refuse to accept....or they accept but are having too much fun donking around on this forum to care.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Valid concern and question OP..ask myself many times same ...but on the other hand just that made me like the game more and more ...i like the underdog and the honest developer more then the ignorant sales and marketing freaks design other games..
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yep its crazy how many people on the official boards have found their way to the game by seeing forums or hearing people in game troll DF or bash it for stupid reasons which make people go "hmmm these guys are obviously jealous or something....i better check it out".
Its kind of like in a guild when someone leaves a guild because they arent happy with it and think they can do better....and an angry GM will spam other guilds that that player is trash etc etc....I immeadiatly wonder why he is wasting that much time trying to ruin someones rep.
It must be something good
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
A lot of it is word of mouth and complete player ignorance. If a player looks at darkfall and doesnt like it, and tells his good friend the game sucks, because his friend trusts him, darkfall MUST suck. So he goes and tells 3 other friends and because they trust him, they don;t bother to look it up. Or maybe you read it on a forum, or maybe in an online chat.
There is also an element of frustration, when you wait for a game that promises so much, but more than 2 years, you are bound to get frustrated, and when a year turns into 2, turns into 8, that's when you start to get disillusionment.
As I really haven't been following it, i really have nothing to say.
It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay.
-Quote Isoke(VN boards)
We love to hate!
Maybe because most people are tired from hearing the same thing over 6 years from Adventurine?
When I view your post history...the amount of dancing bananas just make me lol.
And kudos for getting the years in development right. Ill let you slide on Aventurine.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Troll you are dead.
is there game where you can be troll as character ???
Why? Most people hate being lied to and the people that are hating on DF feel like they have been lied to repeatedly over the past several years. Whether their feeling are valid or not I don't care to debate myself, but you asked why and there is your answer.
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Warning Category: Trolling
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Why is this post not dealt with yet?
op has a semi legit concern though could have worded it better.
you would know though right random mage? how many of your threads have been locked or removed ? at least one this morning...i know you are bitter but you arent the person to play forum police around here.
sounds like you just fall into the category in op and take offense. op is actually making a good point that many refuse to accept....or they accept but are having too much fun donking around on this forum to care.
What's the concern?
That negative press will hurt Darkfall? Or the fact that Darkfall has been nothing but negative until this year when a video came into play? This has been discussed.. and discussed. The original post is nothing more than a stab at everyone that isn't a fanboi. Anyone that's an actual skeptic.. is.. not allowed to play? That's logical.
And most of your thread is not relevant to the topic at hand, and is just a swipe at me.. which.. makes you a troll.
My post had no valid reason to be deleted. I simply said, I did not receive an invite, and the fanboi train.. seeing my return decided to pollute my thread.
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Game hasn't even been in development for 6 years mate. And how can you complain about "hearing the same things" if one of the troll's biggest complaints was that we never hear anything from Aventurine? Paradox less plox!
Also.... AVENTURINE. Its a MINERAL. There's no D
Darkfall Travelogues!
Game hasn't even been in development for 6 years mate. And how can you complain about "hearing the same things" if one of the troll's biggest complaints was that we never hear anything from Aventurine? Paradox less plox!
Also.... AVENTURINE. Its a MINERAL. There's no D
When did the game get picked up by Aventurine in 2003?
I never really knew what part of the year it started up development so I just assumed that since 2009 is a month away that 6 months would be pretty accurate.
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Darkfall Releases on: February 25th, 2009
Darkfall Recap of everything that has happened the last 3 months: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/213296
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
Game hasn't even been in development for 6 years mate. And how can you complain about "hearing the same things" if one of the troll's biggest complaints was that we never hear anything from Aventurine? Paradox less plox!
Also.... AVENTURINE. Its a MINERAL. There's no D
When did the game get picked up by Aventurine in 2003?
I never really knew what part of the year it started up development so I just assumed that since 2009 is a month away that 6 months would be pretty accurate.
Umm.. See.. development started with concepts.. those started in 2001.. or before (announce was 2001).
Razorwax sold (or gave?) the project to Aventurine. They SCRAPPED the engine.. but did not restart development.. Is this fair to say??
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The OP has a good question. And actually I dont hate Darkfall because I cant possibly hate something that does not exist.
EverQuest has a Troll as a playable character. Not sure about any others.
When did the game get picked up by Aventurine in 2003?
I never really knew what part of the year it started up development so I just assumed that since 2009 is a month away that 6 months would be pretty accurate.
Umm.. See.. development started with concepts.. those started in 2001.. or before (announce was 2001).
Razorwax sold (or gave?) the project to Aventurine. They SCRAPPED the engine.. but did not restart development.. Is this fair to say??
I think this is the quote that gives the full info:
www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surlys-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurine-Heres-the-Rub
27 Jul 2007
"...Razorwax had moved offices twice, hired seven new employees including five game logic programmers, and was poised to announce their game to the public on the first of August, 2001 with an expected launch date of Q1 2003"
"As early as mid-December, 2002, Razorwax had closed a deal with a Greek publisher that we would all later know as Aventurine[9]. Within months, and by February 2003, Razorwax had cut its ties with Intermedia Invest and planned on moving its locale to Greece."
"Expanding beyond the budget of a small investment company in an economy very poorly suited to game development, Darkfall's development found its new home in Athens, Greece in early 2003. Adapting to the new surroundings apparently took minimal time for adjustments, as the 14-man crew of Razorwax quickly swelled and development of the game finally began in full for the first time. Backed by newer, deeper pockets, it is apparent that Darkfall had finally found its home among the capable hands of Aventurine SA. This is unfortunately where clarity fades and is replaced with a shroud of surreptitious mysteries left to be assembled from dozens of interviews and wildly scattered information held together by the glue of speculation."
"Now 2003, Aventurine would soon find that the little hot potato it had picked up from Norway would prove the object of far more fascination than anticipated. With the subsequent rise and fall of Shadowbane and the tremendous new market brought to the genre by way of World of Warcraft, Darkfall would increasingly be put in the lime light for even the most mundane of interviews and updates. By August, Claus Grovdal would be quoted claiming an internal beta as early as September, with gradual tester additions leading up to a release."
There is more in the link above, as they go into the 2005 Clan Beta that didn't materialize, and on into 2007. However, those paragraphs above and the quotes below show that a person could logically say that the development of the game DarkFall has been going on since 2001.
Yes, I know. There is the claim that they re-started in 2003 when Aventurine took over from Razorwax. That is why the quote below from Claus is meaningful.
Anyway, just thought I'd show why there is a "disagreement" as the actual development timeline for those that might not know the history of the game.
These quotes are what a lot of people point to when this comes up as well.
08-03-2003
http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/darkfall2-1.php
Claus: Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.
GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?
Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date.
Hope that helps clear up some confusion.
Heh... didn't mean to kill this thread with a dose of actual quotes and information.
Sorry about that.
Why get frustrated waiting for a game release? Simply get on with life and it will come soon enough. Those who get frustrated over a game they want released so they can play shows strong signs of a life needing to be re prioritized.
Funny..
Warning Category: Trolling
baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.
Why is this post not dealt with yet?
op has a semi legit concern though could have worded it better.
you would know though right random mage? how many of your threads have been locked or removed ? at least one this morning...i know you are bitter but you arent the person to play forum police around here.
sounds like you just fall into the category in op and take offense. op is actually making a good point that many refuse to accept....or they accept but are having too much fun donking around on this forum to care.
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I haven't seen anyone here complaining about Darkfall. Hell, no one has even seen enough of the game TO complain.
No... the vast majority of non-fanboy posters have a problem with Aventurine, not the game they're making.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Exactly!
The vast majority of those of us labeled as skeptics/trolls really want DarkFall to be the game that has been promised. We are just not sure if Aventurine is the company that can deliver it for us.
If your going to ask that then you really should also ask......
Why so much LOVE?
Granted, there are several games that I LOVE. But I PLAYED THEM first. Why do so many people LOVE this game before it even releases?
Why not wait til it releases, play it, and then see if you still LOVE it so much? Yeah its been in development for a long time, so what?
All the people that cant keep their trap shut for now saying "there IS really a game" or "its a SUCCESS waiting to happen" should be barred from playing it.
If your going to ask that then you really should also ask......
Why so much LOVE?
Granted, there are several games that I LOVE. But I PLAYED THEM first. Why do so many people LOVE this game before it even releases?
Why not wait til it releases, play it, and then see if you still LOVE it so much? Yeah its been in development for a long time, so what?
All the people that cant keep their trap shut for now saying "there IS really a game" or "its a SUCCESS waiting to happen" should be barred from playing it.
Thread comeplete.. WE have a winner!!!!
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