BioWare has gone steadily downhill since the BG days years ago. KoToR was medicore at best. And they really hit rock bottom with the Mass Effect garbage where they were more concered with putting out those silly and infamous Unreal Engine marketing shots of faces instead of making a high quality and bug free game. Anyone waiting around for BioWare to put out a good game these days is like the pathetic sods thinking Rare will somehow magically return to their glory days. BioWare would never of sold themselves to EA if they still had the means and desire to put out BG quality games.
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ps. you suck at life if you really do believe this.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
BioWare has gone steadily downhill since the BG days years ago. KoToR was medicore at best. And they really hit rock bottom with the Mass Effect garbage where they were more concered with putting out those silly and infamous Unreal Engine marketing shots of faces instead of making a high quality and bug free game. Anyone waiting around for BioWare to put out a good game these days is like the pathetic sods thinking Rare will somehow magically return to their glory days. BioWare would never of sold themselves to EA if they still had the means and desire to put out BG quality games.
WTF? Neverwinter nights was far better than BG. KOTOr didn't really fit me and neither mass effect but upcoming Dragon age looks sweet. Just look on DA:O homepages dang it...
I am not happy that they make a SW game as their first MMO either, I want a forgotten realm one but Bioware still knows how to make a good game. I can hardly wait for DA
Originally posted by Needasow BG/BG 2 were amazing KotOR was mediocre Mass Effect was crap
Connect the dots...
BG/BG2 were ok for their time Kotor was great NWN was great Jade Empire was great Mass Effect - havent played it so no opinion SWTOR - waiting to play it to have an opinion Dragon Age - waiting to play it to have an opinion
Why? Star Wars = Most awesome IP ever made. BioWare = One of the most awesome game creators ever. Combine and you get what? Hopefully, something really really fantastic. Now shush about "how you don't like it" or something equally ignorant
I do see your point it is like saying "Cake is awesome....and Ice cream is awesome I can just combind the two and i have even more awesomeness" but it could be on the other hand to such as "Well sex is awesome, and hanging out with my guy friends is awesome" do you see the example there?
You...are completely nuts. I just had some pound cake and vanilla ice cream the other night and it was the epitomy of awesomeness!!
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Originally posted by TenSpotting I visited the site and it doesn't even look good. They'd be much better off to build something like a true D&D Online MMO or another fantasy style MMO.. Bioware is real good at building those kinds of RPG's.
Maybe its because Bioware and Kotor can be credited with re-invigorating the Star Wars games I.P by showing it was possible to make a Star Wars game that didnt suck.
D&D Online MMO didnt that already flop?
I would like to see them release a Jade Empire MMO - I thought that was a great game.
But Star Wars - love the I.P so I am looking forward to the game.
... BioWare would never of sold themselves to EA if they still had the means and desire to put out BG quality games.
The desire has always been there, but without the means, you can't do much. While the general consensus is that we don't like the BW and EA deal, it only makes sense to side with the guys who have the means and resources, right? To me it does anyway.
And I thought BioWare had kinda moved away from the D&D/FR universe? I may be mistaken, but from what I remember that's why Obsidian picked up NWN2.
Either way, if it's BW, then it's more than likely going to be good. We can only wait and see. Me? I'm already sold. It's BW meets Star Wars for Christs' sake!
Edit: Nevermind, I just came across a website with this morsel:
"Wizards of the Coast has not allowed any other companies to renew their D&D licenses. Dragon Magazine and Dungeon Magazine have been called back to Wizards of the Coast from Paizo publishing, and the Dragonlance license has been pulled from Margaret Weiss Productions. Yet Wizards is still allowing Bioware to maintain their license."
BioWare has gone steadily downhill since the BG days years ago. KoToR was medicore at best. And they really hit rock bottom with the Mass Effect garbage where they were more concered with putting out those silly and infamous Unreal Engine marketing shots of faces instead of making a high quality and bug free game. Anyone waiting around for BioWare to put out a good game these days is like the pathetic sods thinking Rare will somehow magically return to their glory days. BioWare would never of sold themselves to EA if they still had the means and desire to put out BG quality games.
the thing that made kotor and mass effect 'mediocre' to 'crap' was difficulty, details, and too early of a release date. remember when kotor 2 came out? as for mass effect, none of its bugs are game breaking. and all three are quality games, i fail to see how you can not see that. it's just one of the biggest problems with them is that they're just too easy. far too easy, stemming mainly from their streamlined AD&D nature. but then again, many from the AD&D table-top realm thought the BG games were too streamlined...
personally i enjoyed the kotor games and mass effect, but i understand not liking them and i think they went too far with streamlining, all in order to appeal to the casual gamer. they'll probably do the same with this mmo, but we'll see. either way, i think i'll enjoy it, even if it won't be like BG2
Why? Is that a serious question? You are talking about EA and Lucasarts. The answer is simple: da money!
The game is targeted at prebup teens, and don't even try to deny it. It will be piss easy, like all BioWare games as of late.
Mass Effect? That is a joke at best for an RPG. It's a weak shooter, with some discussion elements. Some, because you very rarely make choices, and the discussion wheel is a joke: good answer, bad answer, neutral ... very many times all answers are the same.
Remember the BioWare rep, who talked about what they learned from WoW? That's right, the illusion of choice. That was present to the extreme in Mass Effect. Story was childish, characters one dimensional, sure voice acting was good as well as the score. Combat was down to a very simple formula, same with itemization, with the spectre gear being head and shoulders above anything else, just like colossus armor and savant omni-tool and bio-amp.
Mass Effect is what gamers today want.
TOR will also be cookie cutter and easy, because it's what people want. You want something complex? Look elsewhere.
what with all this talk about wanting super complex and challenging games. Life its self it complex and challenging why would you want that in your games. Most people play games to get away from there life not to live another one in a game. This is why games that are simple and easy to get into are going to sell well and game makers see this. With games costing millions of dollars to make companies are going to make games that can sell millions of copies not ones only alittle of a faction of the world will play.
simple people love star wars and since people barely buy singleplayer games anymore and rather download them theyr going for the online mmorpg part instead nothing else to it
Originally posted by raizzeen simple people love star wars and since people barely buy singleplayer games anymore and rather download them theyr going for the online mmorpg part instead nothing else to it
I wonder about that, i am pretty sure Fallout 3 shipped around 6-7 million copies until now. Mass Effect had some impressive sells as well, the list could go on but i think you get the deal. Dragon Age Origins looks like it will sell well.
I do see your point it is like saying "Cake is awesome....and Ice cream is awesome I can just combind the two and i have even more awesomeness" but it could be on the other hand to such as "Well sex is awesome, and hanging out with my guy friends is awesome" do you see the example there?
Drawing stupid examples like that won't do much really. Fact: BioWare makes awesome games. Pretty much general opinion: Star Wars owns.
That a good company makes a game in a universe they are well familiar with in the past is more likely to become a success than your stupid compareance with cake and ice cream ever will be
"I do see your point it is like saying "Cake is awesome....and Ice cream is awesome I can just combind the two and i have even more awesomeness" but it could be on the other hand to such as "Well sex is awesome, and hanging out with my guy friends is awesome" do you see the example there?"
LMAO!!!! If nobody else gives you your props I will...that was funny, but I think ppl misunderstood. He's saying Bioware+Star wars = cake+ice cream (a great combination) or (let me stress the "OR") it could be Bioware+Star wars = sex+your guy friends(assuming you are a guy, that's NOT a great combination...unless you swing that way). Understand now? You like sex, and you like hanging out with your guy friends, but if you combined the two, you may not like it LOL.
and since they maded star wars games in the past witch people havent played and soon as they heard new starwars mmo they thought ZOMG SWG2 ?!!?!? then they owned them self so hard theyl be failures for life
I visited the site and it doesn't even look good. They'd be much better off to build something like a true D&D Online MMO or another fantasy style MMO.. Bioware is real good at building those kinds of RPG's.
You know your right! We certainly don't have enough hack and slash fantasy mmos on the market more dungeons more dragons,elves and dwarves that is certainly wht we need more of
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I visited the site and it doesn't even look good. They'd be much better off to build something like a true D&D Online MMO or another fantasy style MMO.. Bioware is real good at building those kinds of RPG's.
Who cares?
As long as it's better than Dark and Light, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Age of Conan and Warhammer Online.
Did I forget any of the crash and burners?
TR did not crash and burn, its still a very active played mmo and NOT fantasy.
Devs need to step out of the box and stop making the typical "lets play an elf hehehehe" mmo aka fantasy games, Fallen Earth is going to rule the mmo base when the game comes out. Watch out for it guys
please tell me you posted this before the cancellation. I think out of all those games mentioned this is the only one with a known sunset date.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
You have too remember that everyone likes diference... some ppl liked TR and some didnt and i was one that didnt but he didnt like Warhammer online but i think it wasnt a crash and burn and even this site shows it has a High volume of activity and the game has lots of ppl in it. so it couldnt be as bad as he says if it is doing great lol... unless he's going by WoW standards but that would mean he's a 12 year old boy with no life lol.
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ps. you suck at life if you really do believe this.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
WTF? Neverwinter nights was far better than BG. KOTOr didn't really fit me and neither mass effect but upcoming Dragon age looks sweet. Just look on DA:O homepages dang it...
I am not happy that they make a SW game as their first MMO either, I want a forgotten realm one but Bioware still knows how to make a good game. I can hardly wait for DA
dragonage.bioware.com/
BG/BG2 were ok for their time
Kotor was great
NWN was great
Jade Empire was great
Mass Effect - havent played it so no opinion
SWTOR - waiting to play it to have an opinion
Dragon Age - waiting to play it to have an opinion
I do see your point it is like saying "Cake is awesome....and Ice cream is awesome I can just combind the two and i have even more awesomeness" but it could be on the other hand to such as "Well sex is awesome, and hanging out with my guy friends is awesome" do you see the example there?
You...are completely nuts. I just had some pound cake and vanilla ice cream the other night and it was the epitomy of awesomeness!!
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Maybe its because Bioware and Kotor can be credited with re-invigorating the Star Wars games I.P by showing it was possible to make a Star Wars game that didnt suck.
D&D Online MMO didnt that already flop?
I would like to see them release a Jade Empire MMO - I thought that was a great game.
But Star Wars - love the I.P so I am looking forward to the game.
The desire has always been there, but without the means, you can't do much. While the general consensus is that we don't like the BW and EA deal, it only makes sense to side with the guys who have the means and resources, right? To me it does anyway.
And I thought BioWare had kinda moved away from the D&D/FR universe? I may be mistaken, but from what I remember that's why Obsidian picked up NWN2.
Either way, if it's BW, then it's more than likely going to be good. We can only wait and see. Me? I'm already sold. It's BW meets Star Wars for Christs' sake!
Edit: Nevermind, I just came across a website with this morsel:
"Wizards of the Coast has not allowed any other companies to renew their D&D licenses. Dragon Magazine and Dungeon Magazine have been called back to Wizards of the Coast from Paizo publishing, and the Dragonlance license has been pulled from Margaret Weiss Productions. Yet Wizards is still allowing Bioware to maintain their license."
My mistake!
the thing that made kotor and mass effect 'mediocre' to 'crap' was difficulty, details, and too early of a release date. remember when kotor 2 came out? as for mass effect, none of its bugs are game breaking. and all three are quality games, i fail to see how you can not see that. it's just one of the biggest problems with them is that they're just too easy. far too easy, stemming mainly from their streamlined AD&D nature. but then again, many from the AD&D table-top realm thought the BG games were too streamlined...
personally i enjoyed the kotor games and mass effect, but i understand not liking them and i think they went too far with streamlining, all in order to appeal to the casual gamer. they'll probably do the same with this mmo, but we'll see. either way, i think i'll enjoy it, even if it won't be like BG2
Why? Is that a serious question? You are talking about EA and Lucasarts. The answer is simple: da money!
The game is targeted at prebup teens, and don't even try to deny it. It will be piss easy, like all BioWare games as of late.
Mass Effect? That is a joke at best for an RPG. It's a weak shooter, with some discussion elements. Some, because you very rarely make choices, and the discussion wheel is a joke: good answer, bad answer, neutral ... very many times all answers are the same.
Remember the BioWare rep, who talked about what they learned from WoW? That's right, the illusion of choice. That was present to the extreme in Mass Effect. Story was childish, characters one dimensional, sure voice acting was good as well as the score. Combat was down to a very simple formula, same with itemization, with the spectre gear being head and shoulders above anything else, just like colossus armor and savant omni-tool and bio-amp.
Mass Effect is what gamers today want.
TOR will also be cookie cutter and easy, because it's what people want. You want something complex? Look elsewhere.
what with all this talk about wanting super complex and challenging games. Life its self it complex and challenging why would you want that in your games. Most people play games to get away from there life not to live another one in a game. This is why games that are simple and easy to get into are going to sell well and game makers see this. With games costing millions of dollars to make companies are going to make games that can sell millions of copies not ones only alittle of a faction of the world will play.
simple people love star wars and since people barely buy singleplayer games anymore and rather download them theyr going for the online mmorpg part instead nothing else to it
I wonder about that, i am pretty sure Fallout 3 shipped around 6-7 million copies until now. Mass Effect had some impressive sells as well, the list could go on but i think you get the deal. Dragon Age Origins looks like it will sell well.
Drawing stupid examples like that won't do much really. Fact: BioWare makes awesome games. Pretty much general opinion: Star Wars owns.
That a good company makes a game in a universe they are well familiar with in the past is more likely to become a success than your stupid compareance with cake and ice cream ever will be
"I do see your point it is like saying "Cake is awesome....and Ice cream is awesome I can just combind the two and i have even more awesomeness" but it could be on the other hand to such as "Well sex is awesome, and hanging out with my guy friends is awesome" do you see the example there?"
LMAO!!!! If nobody else gives you your props I will...that was funny, but I think ppl misunderstood. He's saying Bioware+Star wars = cake+ice cream (a great combination) or (let me stress the "OR") it could be Bioware+Star wars = sex+your guy friends(assuming you are a guy, that's NOT a great combination...unless you swing that way). Understand now? You like sex, and you like hanging out with your guy friends, but if you combined the two, you may not like it LOL.
Money, thats why.
Pretty simple huh' /thread
and since they maded star wars games in the past witch people havent played and soon as they heard new starwars mmo they thought ZOMG SWG2 ?!!?!? then they owned them self so hard theyl be failures for life
You know your right! We certainly don't have enough hack and slash fantasy mmos on the market more dungeons more dragons,elves and dwarves that is certainly wht we need more of
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Who cares?
As long as it's better than Dark and Light, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Lord of the Rings Online, Vanguard, Tabula Rasa, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Age of Conan and Warhammer Online.
Did I forget any of the crash and burners?
TR did not crash and burn, its still a very active played mmo and NOT fantasy.
Devs need to step out of the box and stop making the typical "lets play an elf hehehehe" mmo aka fantasy games, Fallen Earth is going to rule the mmo base when the game comes out. Watch out for it guys
please tell me you posted this before the cancellation. I think out of all those games mentioned this is the only one with a known sunset date.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
You have too remember that everyone likes diference... some ppl liked TR and some didnt and i was one that didnt but he didnt like Warhammer online but i think it wasnt a crash and burn and even this site shows it has a High volume of activity and the game has lots of ppl in it. so it couldnt be as bad as he says if it is doing great lol... unless he's going by WoW standards but that would mean he's a 12 year old boy with no life lol.