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Gonna nail my flag to the mast on this one...

VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

...and say that I am really looking foward to DF, and that I am now, after maintaining a neutrality on it for a long time to see how things play out, an official fan and outright supporter of not only what it represents for the genre, but the game and it's reality as well.

Call me a 'fanboy' now if you want, I don't care. The insult means nothing to me.

I also don't care about the percieved 'insults' that the hateboys keep banging on about, I don't feel lied to at all, and I don't care about how long it has taken to arrive. I also don't care if the Devs are 'nice guys' or not. This has nothing to do with finished product or a good game. I want to play DF, not have a beer with Tasos....

...and to be honest, if I was trying to build something as challenging as a quality mmorpg on an Indie's staff base and budget WHILE having to put up with the hormonal whinging of mouthy teenagers just looking to push my buttons, I would be less then happy talking to the public as well. I would just want to get on with my work in silence and prove them all so wrong.

I have read everything that you hateboys have to say, and to me it just gets weaker and weaker, while the pro DF guys are getting stronger and stronger as they are proven more and more right by the building body of evidence.

The fact is that it just looks, from beta previews and SS, to be a solid and great game.

Been doing some research recently, and I have to say that if a pre-order was offered now that I would take it. And no, I don't pre-order mmorpgs usually for obvious reasons, but I have a growing faith in this one. Say what you like about this, it's just the truth. For the first time, I am starting to really believe in DF, and have hope for the genre.

I like a lot of what I am seeing out there, and am loving all the little details in the mix... like the backpack that opens up as a jumbled pile of loot that your have to click and drag to rummage through, while looking over your shoulder 'cause you know someone wants to do the same thing to you.... Great :)

Also loving the graphics. Just the right mix of realism and cartoon for my personal tastes, while keeping the specs low enough for PvP. The environments look stunning to me, and even the character models look a LOT better the other recent games (LoTR and WAR for instance).

I am no Dirty Harry, but I started playing MMOs seriously on a team PvP EQ server and I miss the extra zest that environment brings to a MMORPG... DF looks like it will have that. I can't wait for the politics and power brokering that will come out of it.

All I can say is hurry up the 22nd of Jan, and hope to see you guys here (who are actually interested in the game rather then picking petty fights on forums) in game.

I honestly think this is gonna be a LOT of fun :)

oh, btw, just also want to say a big thank you to all you long term fans out there that have kept your hopes alive through the sleet of sewerage that has been thrown at you down the years. I have come in late, but without you guys as a fanbase this may have stalled way before now. This is your time of victory, as the Hateboys gig ever deeper for ever more desperate and transparent ways to provoke you all, so enjoy it :)

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  • Thomas2641Thomas2641 Member Posts: 143

    Couldn't have said it better myself! I am starting to get butterflies in my stomach over this one

     

    I can't waaaait! LOL

  • TasTYTasTY Member Posts: 236

    Not gonna be released. Vapoware.

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by TasTY


    Not gonna be released. Vapoware.



     

    lol :)

  • Thomas2641Thomas2641 Member Posts: 143

    /Hugs OpiumKing

     

    Cheer up, darlin

  • OpiumKingOpiumKing Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by vesavius


    Reality is subjective my friend,

    No it isn't. It's either real or it isn't.

    What you're describing is delusion. Which isn't surprising considering most people who follow and believe in blind faith bullshit which can't be proven to exist as described are deluded.

    There is not 1 single thing that has been released about this game over the course of the last month that proves they have anything that they have been talking about all these years.

    A shitty video recorded by two italians with the most basic gameplay possible in it that looks like it was built by a buynch of college kids using Torque.

    That's about it.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by vesavius


    Reality is subjective my friend,

    No it isn't. It's either real or it isn't.

    What you're describing is delusion. Which isn't surprising considering most people who follow and believe in blind faith bullshit are deluded.



     

    hehe no, you are wrong.

    But you know, have it your way, I don't mind. Thats your reality after all.

    All that I care about is that DF looks like it's gonna be great and provide me and my GF a long term gaming home that we can invest in and help build.

    I am sorry that it is only bringing you unhappiness :(

  • Thoric485Thoric485 Member UncommonPosts: 525
    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by vesavius


    ...and say that I am really looking foward to DF, and that I am now, after maintaining a neutrality on it for a long time to see how things play out, an official fan and outright supporter of not only what it represents for the genre, but the game and it's reality as well.



     

    There's your problem sweet heart.

    You have NO IDEA what the REALITY of this game is less than 2 months before a supposed launch.

    LOL

    You aren't a happy person are you.

    "The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
    To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
    On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
  • IsaneIsane Member UncommonPosts: 2,630
    Originally posted by vesavius


    I honestly think this is gonna be a LOT of fun :)
    oh, btw, just also want to say a big thank you to all you long term fans out there that have kept your hopes alive through the sleet of sewerage that has been thrown at you down the years. I have come in late, but without you guys as a fanbase this may have stalled way before now. This is your time of victory, as the Hateboys gig ever deeper for ever more desperate and transparent ways to provoke you all, so enjoy it :)



     

    Nice post shame it will be wasted on the goons that hang out on these forumns, there are better places to discuss the game. Even in this post there are three obvious Trolls, which goes to show what this site is all about.

    Can't wait to see you in game ...

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  • KienKien Member Posts: 520
    Originally posted by vesavius



    ...

    The fact is that it just looks, from beta previews and SS, to be a solid and great game.
    ...

     

    What concerns me most about this game is that we have yet to have the beta reviewed by a respected, independent organization. The "beta previews" you referred to were not conducted by independent sources and are, essentially, Aventurine marketing material.

    I will feel a lot better about this game if they would allow MMORPG.COM or some other respected site to review the game and interact with the "hundreds" of individuals that are supposely in beta right now.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by Isane

    Originally posted by vesavius


    I honestly think this is gonna be a LOT of fun :)
    oh, btw, just also want to say a big thank you to all you long term fans out there that have kept your hopes alive through the sleet of sewerage that has been thrown at you down the years. I have come in late, but without you guys as a fanbase this may have stalled way before now. This is your time of victory, as the Hateboys gig ever deeper for ever more desperate and transparent ways to provoke you all, so enjoy it :)



     

    Nice post shame it will be wasted on the goons that hang out on these forumns, there are better places to discuss the game. Even in this post there are three obvious Trolls, which goes to show what this site is all about.

    Can't wait to see you in game ...



     

    hehe thanks, and your probably right, but I thought it needed saying anyhow.

    Likewise :)

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by Kien

    Originally posted by vesavius



    ...

    The fact is that it just looks, from beta previews and SS, to be a solid and great game.
    ...

     

    What concerns me most about this game is that we have yet to have the beta reviewed by a respected, independent organization. The "beta previews" you referred to were not conducted by independent sources and are, essentially, Aventurine marketing material.

    I will feel a lot better about this game if they would allow MMORPG.COM or some other respected site to review the game and interact with the "hundreds" of individuals that are supposely in beta right now.

    mmorpg.it site is respected by italy people same thing

     

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812

    Did I miss something? Did DF release while I wasn't looking for a couple of hours and we already know how amazing it is?

     

    Oh wait....aieeeee, I am a Troll! *waves flag around* here here, hit me hit me, I am not ready to cheer for a complete and utter victory of Tasos and co. before the game actually releases, considering we have less than 7 weeks and the game is still under tight NDA.

     

    It's nice you guys are celebrating the set release date. How come you#re also already talking as though the game launched fluid and without problems and with all features in the game, plus with the Free Trial that was promised?

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by Kien


    I will feel a lot better about this game if they would allow MMORPG.COM or some other respected site to review the game and interact with the "hundreds" of individuals that are supposely in beta right now.



     

    They can't do that because than everyone would know what kind of shit stain it actually is.



     

    they could but i doubt mmorpg.com has the money to go there

  • downtoearthdowntoearth Member Posts: 3,558
    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by downtoearth

    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by Kien


    I will feel a lot better about this game if they would allow MMORPG.COM or some other respected site to review the game and interact with the "hundreds" of individuals that are supposely in beta right now.



     

    They can't do that because than everyone would know what kind of shit stain it actually is.



     

    they could but i doubt mmorpg.com has the money to go there



     

    Go where?

    Do people need to fly to Greece in order to download and connect to the game?

    This is the mentality of the people who follow this thing. lol

     



     

    no but if you want a hands on preview of the game your have to go there. mmorpg.com isnt getting review with out going there) of the game because there not going to get a  beta account. so why do they need the client? they dont they have go there to get the live interview. i mean its pretty simple to understand. has anyone on the mmorpg.com admin team even followed df? i dont think so

  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777

    After several years of development and countless threads about DF, the truth is we still have very little solid information about the game -- and none of it comes from a reputable third party source IMO.  I'm not saying the game isn't all they claim it is, but I am saying I won't be surprised if it's not.  Saying this game is the next great thing or the next failure seems premature to me.   However, one would expect to see much more mainstream media coverage with release barely over a month away.  Let's see what January brings and hope for the best.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by singsofdeath


    Did I miss something? Did DF release while I wasn't looking for a couple of hours and we already know how amazing it is?
    Yep, you missed something :) 
    I said all through this "based on beta views and SS".
    Oh, btw, just to avoid confusion for you- No, it hasnt released yet!
    Oh wait....aieeeee, I am a Troll! *waves flag around* here here, hit me hit me,
    erm... ok.. lol...
    Why so quick to label yourself a troll..? Thats not being very nice to yourself. :( 
    I am not ready to cheer for a complete and utter victory of Tasos and co. before the game actually releases, considering we have less than 7 weeks and the game is still under tight NDA.
    But you WILL come here, be negative, and attempt to destroy it utmost conviction on the same evidence?
    Seems to me a shame that it is so much easier to be full of hate for something then believe in it's potentiol to be good :(
    It's nice you guys are celebrating the set release date.
    I know, it's great!
    How come you#re also already talking as though the game launched fluid and without problems and with all features in the game, plus with the Free Trial that was promised?
    No, thats just what you have chosen to see in what I read.
    I stated repeatedly that my belief and hopes are based on beta views and SS.
    It's ok though, we can still be friends :)



     

  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    Originally posted by OpiumKing

    Originally posted by vesavius


    ...and say that I am really looking foward to DF, and that I am now, after maintaining a neutrality on it for a long time to see how things play out, an official fan and outright supporter of not only what it represents for the genre, but the game and it's reality as well.



     

    There's your problem sweet heart.

    You have NO IDEA what the REALITY of this game is less than 2 months before a supposed launch.

    LOL



    Neither do you!!

    LOL

    Stop trolling, if you think DF is going to be shit or it won't be released you have to provide some facts, or just go outside and enjoy the sunshine.........for a change.

  • singsofdeathsingsofdeath Member UncommonPosts: 1,812
    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by singsofdeath


    Did I miss something? Did DF release while I wasn't looking for a couple of hours and we already know how amazing it is?
    Yep, you missed something :) 
    I said all through this "based on beta views and SS".
    Oh, btw, just to avoid confusion for you- No, it hasnt released yet!
    I'm not talking about you in specifics. I am talking about the general atmosphere that suddenly seems to be present on this board.
    Oh wait....aieeeee, I am a Troll! *waves flag around* here here, hit me hit me,
    erm... ok.. lol...
    Why so quick to label yourself a troll..? Thats not being very nice to yourself. :( 
    That's because your camp has labeled me a Troll and Hater already. So I'm just preemptively saying it in this thread. No need for you guys to repeat yourself. XD
    I am not ready to cheer for a complete and utter victory of Tasos and co. before the game actually releases, considering we have less than 7 weeks and the game is still under tight NDA.
    But you WILL come here, be negative, and attempt to destroy it utmost conviction on the same evidence?
    Seems to me a shame that it is so much easier to be full of hate for something then believe in it's potentiol to be good :(
    Full of hate? Where am I full of hate? Where am I -begative-? Where do I -destroy- evidence? Please...give me examples and quotes.
    It's nice you guys are celebrating the set release date.
    I know, it's great!
    Indeed. I was even celebrating with you...until I was called a shizo and a hypocrite for being nice. ^^
    How come you#re also already talking as though the game launched fluid and without problems and with all features in the game, plus with the Free Trial that was promised?
    No, thats just what you have chosen to see in what I read.
    I stated repeatedly that my belief and hopes are based on beta views and SS.
    It's ok though, we can still be friends :)
    As I said before, I'm talking about the general feeling in these statements. Whenever someone points out that the game still needs to launch smoothly, he is immediately being jumped all over by the people on this board. Some say this place is a breeding ground for Trolls...I would have to say it's also the opposite.
     
    I did not quote your original post because I wanted to avoid appearing as though I was talking about you specifically. I was talking to everyone who shoots down any possibility of anything going wrong from now on. If you feel yourself included in that group....*shrugs*.



     

     

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by Deathstrike2


    After several years of development and countless threads about DF, the truth is we still have very little solid information about the game -- and none of it comes from a reputable third party source IMO.  I'm not saying the game isn't all they claim it is, but I am saying I won't be surprised if it's not.  Saying this game is the next great thing or the next failure seems premature to me.   However, one would expect to see much more mainstream media coverage with release barely over a month away.  Let's see what January brings and hope for the best.



     

    I understand your point here Death, and it's valid, but take a look at TCoS....

    It came from an indie dev, launched with no fuss, no hype to speak of from mainstream media, and relitively little information out there about the game itself for the casual reader, yet it seems to be doing ok. Time will tell of course, but it's EU lauch seems to have gone well and been pretty stable.

    Look at Savage 2, or even EvE util recently as well. No mainstream hype to speak of, but both making money by being the game THEY wanna be. Just goes to show.

    But yes, fingers crossed for January :)

  • grimfallgrimfall Member UncommonPosts: 1,153
    Originally posted by Deathstrike2


    After several years of development and countless threads about DF, the truth is we still have very little solid information about the game -- and none of it comes from a reputable third party source IMO.  I'm not saying the game isn't all they claim it is, but I am saying I won't be surprised if it's not.  Saying this game is the next great thing or the next failure seems premature to me.   However, one would expect to see much more mainstream media coverage with release barely over a month away.  Let's see what January brings and hope for the best.



     

    Treating Darkfall like LOTRO doesn't make a lot of sense.  They're a first time developer.  They don't have a large budget fronted to them by a big game publisher.  They're doing things the way they think is best.  AoC and War followed the tried and true formula you prescribed, and that helped initial sales, but the games weren't very good.   This is a company that has steadfastly repeated for years that they were going to do things there own way, and have continued to do so.

    It's certainly in your right to think that because they don't emulate the PR roll-out process that Funcom or EA used, that there's something wrong with the game.  But it's not set in stone correct logic, either.  The state of the game and how they seek to publicize it are two totally independent elements.

    What I think they want to do - and this is what they should do - is not to have a grand kickoff day with 300,000 users trying to get in.  There's been 1 company who's done that succesfully, and they did it with their 4th title.  They should try to gradually ramp up as they go live.  Maybe 20,000 users, and then add 10,000 users weekly as they are sure they're prepared for it. I am not sure how many game servers they intend to launch with, but they shouldn't try to fill them all in the first week.  That's a recipe for disaster as has been provin seemingly countless times over the last 10 years.

  • BlodplsBlodpls Member Posts: 1,454

    You would think would realise that 3rd party previews are meaningless, look at the previews that aoc and war got.  Really if you trust information from these websites you have a lot to learn and are far less savvy than you think you are.  The only way to asess a game is by playing it.

  • Thoric485Thoric485 Member UncommonPosts: 525
    Originally posted by OpiumKing


    I am not happy because I call shit the way it is?
    uh ok.

    Everyone's entitled to their opinion, It's just the overall way most of you sceptics express yourself - with the words in ALL CAPS for emphasis, terms of endearment, emo dots and overall tone like Rorschach in the Watchmen trailer but without the kick ass mask and being a ruthless vigilante. Even most fanbois aren't that emotional when talking about Darkfall.

    "The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
    To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
    On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by singsofdeath

    Originally posted by vesavius

    Originally posted by singsofdeath


    Did I miss something? Did DF release while I wasn't looking for a couple of hours and we already know how amazing it is?
    Yep, you missed something :) 
    I said all through this "based on beta views and SS".
    Oh, btw, just to avoid confusion for you- No, it hasnt released yet!
    I'm not talking about you in specifics. I am talking about the general atmosphere that suddenly seems to be present on this board.
    Oh wait....aieeeee, I am a Troll! *waves flag around* here here, hit me hit me,
    erm... ok.. lol...
    Why so quick to label yourself a troll..? Thats not being very nice to yourself. :( 
    That's because your camp has labeled me a Troll and Hater already. So I'm just preemptively saying it in this thread. No need for you guys to repeat yourself. XD
    I am not ready to cheer for a complete and utter victory of Tasos and co. before the game actually releases, considering we have less than 7 weeks and the game is still under tight NDA.
    But you WILL come here, be negative, and attempt to destroy it utmost conviction on the same evidence?
    Seems to me a shame that it is so much easier to be full of hate for something then believe in it's potentiol to be good :(
    Full of hate? Where am I full of hate? Where am I -begative-? Where do I -destroy- evidence? Please...give me examples and quotes.
    It's nice you guys are celebrating the set release date.
    I know, it's great!
    Indeed. I was even celebrating with you...until I was called a shizo and a hypocrite for being nice. ^^
    How come you#re also already talking as though the game launched fluid and without problems and with all features in the game, plus with the Free Trial that was promised?
    No, thats just what you have chosen to see in what I read.
    I stated repeatedly that my belief and hopes are based on beta views and SS.
    It's ok though, we can still be friends :)
    As I said before, I'm talking about the general feeling in these statements. Whenever someone points out that the game still needs to launch smoothly, he is immediately being jumped all over by the people on this board. Some say this place is a breeding ground for Trolls...I would have to say it's also the opposite.
     
    I did not quote your original post because I wanted to avoid appearing as though I was talking about you specifically. I was talking to everyone who shoots down any possibility of anything going wrong from now on. If you feel yourself included in that group....*shrugs*.



     

     



     

    Fair enough, valid post. I don't agree with all your responses, but I don't really want to get that deep into a personal slanging match tbh. People will read what I wrote, read what you wrote, and make up their own minds I guess.

    I am not interested in creating trolls, only supporting a game that I want to see succeed.

     

  • neonwireneonwire Member Posts: 1,787
    Originally posted by vesavius


    ...and say that I am really looking foward to DF, and that I am now, after maintaining a neutrality on it for a long time to see how things play out, an official fan and outright supporter of not only what it represents for the genre, but the game and it's reality as well.
    Call me a 'fanboy' now if you want, I don't care. The insult means nothing to me.
    I also don't care about the percieved 'insults' that the hateboys keep banging on about, I don't feel lied to at all, and I don't care about how long it has taken to arrive. I also don't care if the Devs are 'nice guys' or not. This has nothing to do with finished product or a good game. I want to play DF, not have a beer with Tasos....
    ...and to be honest, if I was trying to build something as challenging as a quality mmorpg on an Indie's staff base and budget WHILE having to put up with the hormonal whinging of mouthy teenagers just looking to push my buttons, I would be less then happy talking to the public as well. I would just want to get on with my work in silence and prove them all so wrong.
    I have read everything that you hateboys have to say, and to me it just gets weaker and weaker, while the pro DF guys are getting stronger and stronger as they are proven more and more right by the building body of evidence.
    The fact is that it just looks, from beta previews and SS, to be a solid and great game.
    Been doing some research recently, and I have to say that if a pre-order was offered now that I would take it. And no, I don't pre-order mmorpgs usually for obvious reasons, but I have a growing faith in this one. Say what you like about this, it's just the truth. For the first time, I am starting to really believe in DF, and have hope for the genre.
    I like a lot of what I am seeing out there, and am loving all the little details in the mix... like the backpack that opens up as a jumbled pile of loot that your have to click and drag to rummage through, while looking over your shoulder 'cause you know someone wants to do the same thing to you.... Great :)
    Also loving the graphics. Just the right mix of realism and cartoon for my personal tastes, while keeping the specs low enough for PvP. The environments look stunning to me, and even the character models look a LOT better the other recent games (LoTR and WAR for instance).
    I am no Dirty Harry, but I started playing MMOs seriously on a team PvP EQ server and I miss the extra zest that environment brings to a MMORPG... DF looks like it will have that. I can't wait for the politics and power brokering that will come out of it.
    All I can say is hurry up the 22nd of Jan, and hope to see you guys here (who are actually interested in the game rather then picking petty fights on forums) in game.
    I honestly think this is gonna be a LOT of fun :)
    oh, btw, just also want to say a big thank you to all you long term fans out there that have kept your hopes alive through the sleet of sewerage that has been thrown at you down the years. I have come in late, but without you guys as a fanbase this may have stalled way before now. This is your time of victory, as the Hateboys gig ever deeper for ever more desperate and transparent ways to provoke you all, so enjoy it :)



     

    I always like reading your posts Vesavius and I virtually always agree with them 100%. It looks like Opium King is the epic level naysayer for this thread and your "opponent" for today.......but every positive needs a negative right?

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by neonwire

    Originally posted by vesavius


    ...and say that I am really looking foward to DF, and that I am now, after maintaining a neutrality on it for a long time to see how things play out, an official fan and outright supporter of not only what it represents for the genre, but the game and it's reality as well.
    Call me a 'fanboy' now if you want, I don't care. The insult means nothing to me.
    I also don't care about the percieved 'insults' that the hateboys keep banging on about, I don't feel lied to at all, and I don't care about how long it has taken to arrive. I also don't care if the Devs are 'nice guys' or not. This has nothing to do with finished product or a good game. I want to play DF, not have a beer with Tasos....
    ...and to be honest, if I was trying to build something as challenging as a quality mmorpg on an Indie's staff base and budget WHILE having to put up with the hormonal whinging of mouthy teenagers just looking to push my buttons, I would be less then happy talking to the public as well. I would just want to get on with my work in silence and prove them all so wrong.
    I have read everything that you hateboys have to say, and to me it just gets weaker and weaker, while the pro DF guys are getting stronger and stronger as they are proven more and more right by the building body of evidence.
    The fact is that it just looks, from beta previews and SS, to be a solid and great game.
    Been doing some research recently, and I have to say that if a pre-order was offered now that I would take it. And no, I don't pre-order mmorpgs usually for obvious reasons, but I have a growing faith in this one. Say what you like about this, it's just the truth. For the first time, I am starting to really believe in DF, and have hope for the genre.
    I like a lot of what I am seeing out there, and am loving all the little details in the mix... like the backpack that opens up as a jumbled pile of loot that your have to click and drag to rummage through, while looking over your shoulder 'cause you know someone wants to do the same thing to you.... Great :)
    Also loving the graphics. Just the right mix of realism and cartoon for my personal tastes, while keeping the specs low enough for PvP. The environments look stunning to me, and even the character models look a LOT better the other recent games (LoTR and WAR for instance).
    I am no Dirty Harry, but I started playing MMOs seriously on a team PvP EQ server and I miss the extra zest that environment brings to a MMORPG... DF looks like it will have that. I can't wait for the politics and power brokering that will come out of it.
    All I can say is hurry up the 22nd of Jan, and hope to see you guys here (who are actually interested in the game rather then picking petty fights on forums) in game.
    I honestly think this is gonna be a LOT of fun :)
    oh, btw, just also want to say a big thank you to all you long term fans out there that have kept your hopes alive through the sleet of sewerage that has been thrown at you down the years. I have come in late, but without you guys as a fanbase this may have stalled way before now. This is your time of victory, as the Hateboys gig ever deeper for ever more desperate and transparent ways to provoke you all, so enjoy it :)



     

    I always like reading your posts Vesavius and I virtually always agree with them 100%. It looks like Opium King is the epic level naysayer for this thread and your "opponent" for today.......but every positive needs a negative right?



     

    Thank you, and I guess so :)

    OpiumKing just needs a buddy.

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