The xpac made a lot of people come back to level and try it out, but everyone (even casual players) are realising that it's just the same old stuff, and after a bit of time at 80, they will move to the next big thing and set up their new "home" MMO there, as many of the hardcore players and PVPers
Speaking on behalf of the entire community again are we, Greyhooff? By your same logic I could also summarise that people are leaving your beloved WAR in droves because it is not the game they were promised and are actually flocking back to WoW.
Stop making ridiculous assumptions and sweeping generalisations. For someone that purports to hate WoW so much you sure do spend a lot of time Trolling these boards.
I guess only those who play WoW since the release date 4 years ago know the true reasons why WoW is here to stay.. I'm still from the times when a ninja was truly a ninja since there was no item loot by GREED/NEED/PASS buttons, it was all said in chat. :P
Blizzard simply knows what players want, they evolve the game taking in account the players' needs.. I remember entering the TBC with only 3 purples.. Classic WoW was simply pure hardcore, what did Blizzard do? Make it a bit casual to fetch more players' attention being careful at the same time not to make the hardcore ones leave. This is Blizzard, they listen, they evolve. At least here I see my money being well spent.
I've played other MMOs before and sincerely.. they just want yout money, some like Final Fantasy XI make it so hard to do anything in the game that you must play it almost 16h per day, every day to be something.. not in WoW.
Personaly, if you don't like WoW stay away from it I like it as it is without those boohooers around.
When does it stop to make the "hardcore" people continue to play? Probably soon. WotLK is pretty weak when it comes to an expansion. There is no "wow, never seen that before!" moment, no really genuine new boss that does something we haven't been doing before or needs some completely different tactic (we had the tanking mage already, so ffft). Will people stop playing? Not so soon, because they still want that loot. Yes, it's basically the same robe with the same stats (just "more", a +1000 instead of a +500) and some new graphics, it can't do anything new or exciting (because, well, you cannot really add anything that wouldn't immediately at the very least blow PvP balance completely off the edge), so when all the fluff is stripped, we're doing the same we did in BC: Add 10 levels, grind some money, do some instances, kill differently textured bosses with the same tactics that applied before for differently colored items with more +xxx before the stats. Someone who doesn't care about fluff will probably be fed up with the game soon.
Then again, by far not everyone is at or even close to 80, or even close to having their epic 80s armor. The graphics are cute and cuddly and most people like that. So they will keep playing. Don't forget that all those 10 and even more those 25 raid instances are just the dangling carrots to keep those busy that have done everything already. The majority of players is running around on the surface, leveling and playing while still having something resembling a life outside WoW. Those are the "meat" for Blizzard. Also, they can get away with basically making a Molten Core 2. How many players are there that remember MC? Have been in there when it was THE instance? And how many have started with WoW after MC become unimportant, or just haven't been in there because they started only weeks before BC and didn't have a reason to hack their way down into the Core since nothing drops in there anymore that you need when you got BC? Yes, some of the old players will bitch, but they'll stay anyway. And some might even enjoy a "new MC" when it's done creatively.
So, I think it will not "end". WoW is here to stay. I don't even crack a smile anymore when I see someone claim that "xxx will kill WoW". It won't. WoW has something no other MMO has, not a single one: Subscribers, that don't know jack about the MMO world and that don't even know there are other, maybe "better" (YMMV), MMOs out there. WoW is for MMOs what Windows is for OSs. Most people using it don't even know there's an alternative. And getting those people off WoW and onto something else will be hard to say the least. Because everything is "just so wrong" in that other game, no matter how good it may be.
WoW won't fold. Not anytime soon. The hardcore gamers will probably leave, try something new, move from game to game and maybe return (or not), but the large crowd of casual gamers who neither need this board or any others about MMOs, and who frankly don't care about this, who only want to play their WoW because they neither know anything else nor want to, they will keep that game afloat. It may eventually lose a few percent of their market share when the game ages way beyond its life cycle (it already is pretty old for an MMO), but I really doubt it will go below the profit threshold anytime soon.
That depends on your definition of "end". When does it stop to make the "hardcore" people continue to play? Probably soon. WotLK is pretty weak when it comes to an expansion. There is no "wow, never seen that before!" moment, no really genuine new boss that does something we haven't been doing before or needs some completely different tactic (we had the tanking mage already, so ffft). Will people stop playing? Not so soon, because they still want that loot. Yes, it's basically the same robe with the same stats (just "more", a +1000 instead of a +500) and some new graphics, it can't do anything new or exciting (because, well, you cannot really add anything that wouldn't immediately at the very least blow PvP balance completely off the edge), so when all the fluff is stripped, we're doing the same we did in BC: Add 10 levels, grind some money, do some instances, kill differently textured bosses with the same tactics that applied before for differently colored items with more +xxx before the stats. Someone who doesn't care about fluff will probably be fed up with the game soon. Then again, by far not everyone is at or even close to 80, or even close to having their epic 80s armor. The graphics are cute and cuddly and most people like that. So they will keep playing. Don't forget that all those 10 and even more those 25 raid instances are just the dangling carrots to keep those busy that have done everything already. The majority of players is running around on the surface, leveling and playing while still having something resembling a life outside WoW. Those are the "meat" for Blizzard. Also, they can get away with basically making a Molten Core 2. How many players are there that remember MC? Have been in there when it was THE instance? And how many have started with WoW after MC become unimportant, or just haven't been in there because they started only weeks before BC and didn't have a reason to hack their way down into the Core since nothing drops in there anymore that you need when you got BC? Yes, some of the old players will bitch, but they'll stay anyway. And some might even enjoy a "new MC" when it's done creatively. So, I think it will not "end". WoW is here to stay. I don't even crack a smile anymore when I see someone claim that "xxx will kill WoW". It won't. WoW has something no other MMO has, not a single one: Subscribers, that don't know jack about the MMO world and that don't even know there are other, maybe "better" (YMMV), MMOs out there. WoW is for MMOs what Windows is for OSs. Most people using it don't even know there's an alternative. And getting those people off WoW and onto something else will be hard to say the least. Because everything is "just so wrong" in that other game, no matter how good it may be. WoW won't fold. Not anytime soon. The hardcore gamers will probably leave, try something new, move from game to game and maybe return (or not), but the large crowd of casual gamers who neither need this board or any others about MMOs, and who frankly don't care about this, who only want to play their WoW because they neither know anything else nor want to, they will keep that game afloat. It may eventually lose a few percent of their market share when the game ages way beyond its life cycle (it already is pretty old for an MMO), but I really doubt it will go below the profit threshold anytime soon.
I completely agree with you! ^^ wow will never end, at least not in the next few years not matter what new mmo's comes out.
well I'm one of the players who played wow when it just was released. I've seen the days that having a full tier 1 set gave you a "wooooot"-feel ^^. Although I've never entered a 40 man raid instance so I never did MC :-( wich I still regret. I was and I still am a verry casual player and in that time MC was quite hardcore. So I joined a small casual guild and we did things like UBRS, ZG,... (ooh that where great times)
I'm still thinking of getting myself to WOTLK I'm not sure. I actually hope they will re-open old raid dungeons for lvl 80 players, So we just can do MC, ZG, ... again but then with different loot. If they add that I will return! and it will be fun! ^^
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Please don't take this as an insult but honestly, how much farther can WoW go??? Im very curious as to see how a community of millions will just suddenly dissapear. Yet, we all know that no game, no matter how good will last forever. Please share your opinions about how you think it will end and stay on topic. Thankyou.
So, I think it will not "end". WoW is here to stay. I don't even crack a smile anymore when I see someone claim that "xxx will kill WoW". It won't. WoW has something no other MMO has, not a single one: Subscribers, that don't know jack about the MMO world and that don't even know there are other, maybe "better" (YMMV), MMOs out there. WoW is for MMOs what Windows is for OSs. Most people using it don't even know there's an alternative. And getting those people off WoW and onto something else will be hard to say the least. Because everything is "just so wrong" in that other game, no matter how good it may be.
geez Greyhooff.... are you like, on Mythic's payroll or something? For someone who's supposedly so into WAR you sure spend a lot of time in the WoW forums. If it's such a great game, why are you not playing it right now rather than trying to recruit people from over here? The folks who like WoW are gonna stay with WoW and the folks that like WAR are gonna stay with WAR. I think subscription stats speak for themselves here a good deal more than you speaking on the entire community's behalf.
hmmm maybe 10 years down the track. depends on how Blizz take the game forward. i predict it will end about 5-10 years after the last expansion/content patch.
i see Blizz releasing a new MMO that will be basically WoW 2 but in either a different setting or with new lore.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Soon because once they finish WOTLK they will be bored and flock to the next best thing.
That's the problem, there hasn't been a 'next best thing' for years now and I don't see that changing in the near future. As a general MMO enthusiast I've tried almost every game that's been released in the past 5 years. With the exception of LoTR, imo, all the titles released in those years have been stinking piles of crapnation. Take Vanguard for example, wonderful design - extremely poor execution. And, somehow EA/Mythic punted on what should've been the successor to DAoC.
Believe me, I would love to see another title take the reigns.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
That's the problem, there hasn't been a 'next best thing' for years now and I don't see that changing in the near future. As a general MMO enthusiast I've tried almost every game that's been released in the past 5 years. With the exception of LoTR, imo, all the titles released in those years have been stinking piles of crapnation. Take Vanguard for example, wonderful design - extremely poor execution. And, somehow EA/Mythic punted on what should've been the successor to DAoC. Believe me, I would love to see another title take the reigns.
That's half the truth. Indeed al lot of people would love to see a good alternative to play. But you have to be honest. Comparing with the latest launches and than looking at WotLK (for those who played it !), you got to be honest with yourselves.
With each expansion Blizzard raises a bit the quality of the TECHNIQUES used. I am OK with you if you don't like Wow or even WotLK. You even may dislike the of Blizzard, but ...
But I am talking techniques here: phasing, the kind of PvP combat with vehicles in a fantasy setting, bind on account gear, the quest chains and changing worlds, the 3D scenery taken to new heights (flying is an understatement in WotLK)., the already acknowledged fact of fluid combat, but now with vehicles and engines.
I mean look at these 3D models and flights over the world. We as players just see them as players, but there is a whole other dynamic behind these flights and full 3D quests.
With each expansion the open world and seamless flying worlds are miles away from the liniair and very very closed "to the ground" experience we had with the so called "Wow-killers".
As long as that gap in development and applied techniques stay, it is natural there is no "end".
MMOs build up slow, but die quickly WoW is a perfect example of this, it gathered massive momentum in the first 6 months as people like me and others started playing it at launch, and realised "ok this Warcraft MMO is amazing, it plays beautifully, has great graphics and it's fun" - and we told this to all our friends who were playing EQ/UO/etc so they all came to try it out It took just over 6 months and Warcraft suddenly started exploding in population Now, after many happy years, Warcraft is coming to an end, the game is stale and out of ideas, the mechanics are old, the lore is exhausted and the graphics are dated - people just aren't having fun any more, they see through the treadmill and the repetitive, non-dynamic gameplay The end will come quickly as it does for all MMOs - gamers are a fickle bunch, and they will move quickly from month-to-month to the next big thing, starting with the hardcore PVP gamer crowd who are the first movers to the best new game, which currently is Warhammer
That would explain why it's population is going up and most of the people that left for warhammer are back.
Please don't take this as an insult but honestly, how much farther can WoW go??? Im very curious as to see how a community of millions will just suddenly dissapear. Yet, we all know that no game, no matter how good will last forever. Please share your opinions about how you think it will end and stay on topic. Thankyou.
It really depends om how you define "go on". It will probably be around for 10 more years with a small community like UO and EQ.
It will off course not be the biggest MMO for that time, maybe we just saw the turning point with WOTLK, maybe it will come in 2 years with the next expansion. it is hard to say. However nothing lasts for ever and computer games ages bad so it will come.
If another big game will take over the decline will be fast, if nothing else come it will be slower but as Type O negative said "Everything dies".
But it is far too early to write off Wow right now, it is bigger than anything else and the next game that threats to be really big is at least six months away (Guildwars 2). I don't think Aion can be so big in the western world (it might in asia though) and Darkfall is too much of a niche game to take over.
Other games to keep a watch on are CCPs upcoming "World of darkness online", Biowares Old republic online and whatever Bethesda are cooking up (Maybe "Fallout online"?). And off course Blizzards upcoming game, even though it is hard to guess if it will be another succes or not.
That would explain why it's population is going up and most of the people that left for warhammer are back.
You really call this going up? Since WOTLK it have been going down. That doesn't really prove anything since it went up before WOTLK so it is impossible to say if it will continue to drop or go up again but you are still wrong.
And for Warhammer, the reason could be many others like WAR sucks, GOA messed it up too much for EU players or basicly that people who enjoy Wow are not the same people who likes WAR.
Nothing is saying that Wow will drop now but it will eventually, nothing lasts forever and if you think it does then you are into religion.
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Im sure wow will be alive for many years.Its a rich game imo and even if the hardcore players leave, there are so many things a casual player can do..
He that lives upon Hope dies farting.
Speaking on behalf of the entire community again are we, Greyhooff? By your same logic I could also summarise that people are leaving your beloved WAR in droves because it is not the game they were promised and are actually flocking back to WoW.
Stop making ridiculous assumptions and sweeping generalisations. For someone that purports to hate WoW so much you sure do spend a lot of time Trolling these boards.
Soon because once they finish WOTLK they will be bored and flock to the next best thing.
I guess only those who play WoW since the release date 4 years ago know the true reasons why WoW is here to stay.. I'm still from the times when a ninja was truly a ninja since there was no item loot by GREED/NEED/PASS buttons, it was all said in chat. :P
I like it as it is without those boohooers around.
Blizzard simply knows what players want, they evolve the game taking in account the players' needs.. I remember entering the TBC with only 3 purples.. Classic WoW was simply pure hardcore, what did Blizzard do? Make it a bit casual to fetch more players' attention being careful at the same time not to make the hardcore ones leave. This is Blizzard, they listen, they evolve. At least here I see my money being well spent.
I've played other MMOs before and sincerely.. they just want yout money, some like Final Fantasy XI make it so hard to do anything in the game that you must play it almost 16h per day, every day to be something.. not in WoW.
Personaly, if you don't like WoW stay away from it
You mention this as it's something bad. Why get bored with one MMO when there are good choices out there for alternative gameplay?
That depends on your definition of "end".
When does it stop to make the "hardcore" people continue to play? Probably soon. WotLK is pretty weak when it comes to an expansion. There is no "wow, never seen that before!" moment, no really genuine new boss that does something we haven't been doing before or needs some completely different tactic (we had the tanking mage already, so ffft). Will people stop playing? Not so soon, because they still want that loot. Yes, it's basically the same robe with the same stats (just "more", a +1000 instead of a +500) and some new graphics, it can't do anything new or exciting (because, well, you cannot really add anything that wouldn't immediately at the very least blow PvP balance completely off the edge), so when all the fluff is stripped, we're doing the same we did in BC: Add 10 levels, grind some money, do some instances, kill differently textured bosses with the same tactics that applied before for differently colored items with more +xxx before the stats. Someone who doesn't care about fluff will probably be fed up with the game soon.
Then again, by far not everyone is at or even close to 80, or even close to having their epic 80s armor. The graphics are cute and cuddly and most people like that. So they will keep playing. Don't forget that all those 10 and even more those 25 raid instances are just the dangling carrots to keep those busy that have done everything already. The majority of players is running around on the surface, leveling and playing while still having something resembling a life outside WoW. Those are the "meat" for Blizzard. Also, they can get away with basically making a Molten Core 2. How many players are there that remember MC? Have been in there when it was THE instance? And how many have started with WoW after MC become unimportant, or just haven't been in there because they started only weeks before BC and didn't have a reason to hack their way down into the Core since nothing drops in there anymore that you need when you got BC? Yes, some of the old players will bitch, but they'll stay anyway. And some might even enjoy a "new MC" when it's done creatively.
So, I think it will not "end". WoW is here to stay. I don't even crack a smile anymore when I see someone claim that "xxx will kill WoW". It won't. WoW has something no other MMO has, not a single one: Subscribers, that don't know jack about the MMO world and that don't even know there are other, maybe "better" (YMMV), MMOs out there. WoW is for MMOs what Windows is for OSs. Most people using it don't even know there's an alternative. And getting those people off WoW and onto something else will be hard to say the least. Because everything is "just so wrong" in that other game, no matter how good it may be.
WoW won't fold. Not anytime soon. The hardcore gamers will probably leave, try something new, move from game to game and maybe return (or not), but the large crowd of casual gamers who neither need this board or any others about MMOs, and who frankly don't care about this, who only want to play their WoW because they neither know anything else nor want to, they will keep that game afloat. It may eventually lose a few percent of their market share when the game ages way beyond its life cycle (it already is pretty old for an MMO), but I really doubt it will go below the profit threshold anytime soon.
I completely agree with you! ^^ wow will never end, at least not in the next few years not matter what new mmo's comes out.
well I'm one of the players who played wow when it just was released. I've seen the days that having a full tier 1 set gave you a "wooooot"-feel ^^. Although I've never entered a 40 man raid instance so I never did MC :-( wich I still regret. I was and I still am a verry casual player and in that time MC was quite hardcore. So I joined a small casual guild and we did things like UBRS, ZG,... (ooh that where great times)
I'm still thinking of getting myself to WOTLK I'm not sure. I actually hope they will re-open old raid dungeons for lvl 80 players, So we just can do MC, ZG, ... again but then with different loot. If they add that I will return! and it will be fun! ^^
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when darkfall comes out
lol darkfall is a big package of failure
I think this is kinda sad..but very very true..
thankyou
If I can't kill you, my friend over there hiding in that bush will...
geez Greyhooff.... are you like, on Mythic's payroll or something? For someone who's supposedly so into WAR you sure spend a lot of time in the WoW forums. If it's such a great game, why are you not playing it right now rather than trying to recruit people from over here? The folks who like WoW are gonna stay with WoW and the folks that like WAR are gonna stay with WAR. I think subscription stats speak for themselves here a good deal more than you speaking on the entire community's behalf.
hmmm maybe 10 years down the track. depends on how Blizz take the game forward. i predict it will end about 5-10 years after the last expansion/content patch.
i see Blizz releasing a new MMO that will be basically WoW 2 but in either a different setting or with new lore.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
That's the problem, there hasn't been a 'next best thing' for years now and I don't see that changing in the near future. As a general MMO enthusiast I've tried almost every game that's been released in the past 5 years. With the exception of LoTR, imo, all the titles released in those years have been stinking piles of crapnation. Take Vanguard for example, wonderful design - extremely poor execution. And, somehow EA/Mythic punted on what should've been the successor to DAoC.
Believe me, I would love to see another title take the reigns.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
That's half the truth. Indeed al lot of people would love to see a good alternative to play. But you have to be honest. Comparing with the latest launches and than looking at WotLK (for those who played it !), you got to be honest with yourselves.
With each expansion Blizzard raises a bit the quality of the TECHNIQUES used. I am OK with you if you don't like Wow or even WotLK. You even may dislike the of Blizzard, but ...
But I am talking techniques here: phasing, the kind of PvP combat with vehicles in a fantasy setting, bind on account gear, the quest chains and changing worlds, the 3D scenery taken to new heights (flying is an understatement in WotLK)., the already acknowledged fact of fluid combat, but now with vehicles and engines.
I mean look at these 3D models and flights over the world. We as players just see them as players, but there is a whole other dynamic behind these flights and full 3D quests.
With each expansion the open world and seamless flying worlds are miles away from the liniair and very very closed "to the ground" experience we had with the so called "Wow-killers".
As long as that gap in development and applied techniques stay, it is natural there is no "end".
That would explain why it's population is going up and most of the people that left for warhammer are back.
these kind of comments make me laugh. has this ever happened to WoW before?
It really depends om how you define "go on". It will probably be around for 10 more years with a small community like UO and EQ.
It will off course not be the biggest MMO for that time, maybe we just saw the turning point with WOTLK, maybe it will come in 2 years with the next expansion. it is hard to say. However nothing lasts for ever and computer games ages bad so it will come.
If another big game will take over the decline will be fast, if nothing else come it will be slower but as Type O negative said "Everything dies".
But it is far too early to write off Wow right now, it is bigger than anything else and the next game that threats to be really big is at least six months away (Guildwars 2). I don't think Aion can be so big in the western world (it might in asia though) and Darkfall is too much of a niche game to take over.
Other games to keep a watch on are CCPs upcoming "World of darkness online", Biowares Old republic online and whatever Bethesda are cooking up (Maybe "Fallout online"?). And off course Blizzards upcoming game, even though it is hard to guess if it will be another succes or not.
You really call this going up? Since WOTLK it have been going down. That doesn't really prove anything since it went up before WOTLK so it is impossible to say if it will continue to drop or go up again but you are still wrong.
And for Warhammer, the reason could be many others like WAR sucks, GOA messed it up too much for EU players or basicly that people who enjoy Wow are not the same people who likes WAR.
Nothing is saying that Wow will drop now but it will eventually, nothing lasts forever and if you think it does then you are into religion.
June 2, 2014