Well first off I hate to be the bearer or bad news, but if DF is completly awful, that community is coming to mortal online, and it will be the next big thing. But fear not like someone eluded to in a previous post the people that come to these forums is but a very small % of people that actually play the game. And the moronic fanboys with no common sense are a very small % of the total % of people on the forums. So deciding not to play a game based on a forum community is not very wise.
some might follwo Mo most wont looks like BS to most of us
Well, it can look like BS to you. You are entitle to your opinion. The facts are, however, that they have bought licenses with three completely legitimate companies (Epic, Quad Software and SpeedTree). A simple review of those sites shows thier legitimacy via their testimonials. Those are considerable investments and the amount of money involved their would have to be a really rich person involved to pull off such a hoax.
I can understand that it (MO) and its features of graphic style may not be your kind of gameplay or look. But BS? Hardly. Unless they run out of money and can't fund the project it's going to happen. And from what I have seen so far they are in just as good (at the worst) but most likely better financial position than Adventurine.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
If some one could show me a video of and interview of the DF devs i will be gladly happy, but for now all i have seen are writen interviews. Mortal has a video on the news at thier home town showing their office and talking about the game.
PS-Yes i have seen the videos on Youtube but non of them prof anything to me really ,some in-game fottage.
A weapon doesnt make a Warrior Legendary, Is the warrior who makes the weapon.
After taking a quick look at the mortal online website it seems they are going for a hard zoned and/or instanced world. That's a game killer for me. If I remember DFO developers have said up front they will have a seamless non instanced world. Most other things being equal that alone makes DFO far preferable.
@polypterus -Wow, you know absolutly nothing about MO. Its the total opposite of what you said; they are aiming at a completly seamless and 0 instance. Why the hell do you post stuff that you have no idea about.
@polypterus -Wow, you know absolutly nothing about MO. Its the total opposite of what you said; they are aiming at a completly seamless and 0 instance. Why the hell do you post stuff that you have no idea about.
Ok so fill me in. I could very well be wrong on that. I was just going by what I read on an FAQish post. Can you point me to a link that discusses this in a bit more detail?
Edit: Here is an answer to a question. Note: It is not very definitive but it does give me the impression there will be zones of some sort. Again if you have anything more definitive post it please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawk
One quick question if you don't mind, about the instances you explained, does that mean they will be more like zones? like Everquest/Daoc had for example as their dungeons/city zones?
I'm sorry, but it's really too early to tell how we will handle instances/zones. A lot of work is going on here at the moment. But I want to give you at least some idea of what we're dealing with:
When for example entering a city or a cave, a short loading time (and zone-splitting) gives us the opportunity to create really unique content for that zone, both visually and gameplay-wise. It could be specific buildings, creatures, mechanics and so on. This would benefits both PvP and PvE. However, if there are zones the transition must be handled very carefully as to not ruin the everyday PvP. Border-ganking is one of those issues. Another issue is of course that loading time (even as little as say 20 seconds) tends to spoil the feeling of a seamless world. We are of course trying our best to avoid them.
I personally feel that instancing is totally ok when it can be motivated in the game. To give you an example, Arena Fatalis, the large gladiator court in the capital city of Tindrem, will most likely be an instance. In role-playing terms, the arena will simply be "full" when enough people participate and/or spectate. I simply don't think it's necessary for a player to find out that it is "full" by walking in and watch it lag, and possibly spoil the ongoing fights.
"DF has no quest markers, and no quest log! The people giving you quests aren't marked either, since it's like this in my game, you're stupid.
I have a response to everyone who says this,
"No, it doesn't mean you're smarter. It means you'll have to wander around 3 days looking for the one spot the quest needs you to go while trying to remember the text before you give up after getting ganked for the 5th time and go talk to the quest giver... being you can find the unmarked model . You have fun with that, I'll go back to LOTRO where I can refer to clear cardinel directions all the time."
Mortal Online does look quite a bit more fun than Darkfall from what I've seen, mainly the crafting system. Being I've heard nothing of Darkfall's and heard that MO has some big plans under their belt.
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here jkooler, since you obviously know nothing about DF and its development
this is darkfall team presenting their game in Athens digital week
Mortal could be a great game in about 2 years, they will not make a game like DF with all the features when they barely have any screens and a pre rendered video. Summer 09 is not realistic in my eyes. also selling t-shirts before they acctualy had 1 real screenshot of the game. smells like AoC hype
about DF's community, yes it's rough but if DF fails they will go to Mortal...no ifs or butts..only reason they are not there now is because MO is a long way off from release
If some one could show me a video of and interview of the DF devs i will be gladly happy, but for now all i have seen are writen interviews. Mortal has a video on the news at thier home town showing their office and talking about the game.
PS-Yes i have seen the videos on Youtube but non of them prof anything to me really ,some in-game fottage.
Does being in closed beta count for anything? I've seen hundreds of DFO screenshots and many descriptions of gameplay from beta-testers which sound awesome.
Someone who is not going to try DF when it comes out( even if it is great), but are waiting for MO(which is very similar to DF...) sound more like a rabid, illogical fan than anything else. If you are going to enjoy mortal online then you will enjoy Darkfall(if they both deliver). And dont give me that BULL about the DF community sucking blah blah blah. The game is not even out, and you are basing your opinion of the community upon a handfull of people from the forums (out of over 250 THOUSAND).
All that aside, if you compare them side by side this is how I see it:
Hmmm yeah sorry about my overly agressive post. I didnt take the time to read the FAQ myself. Anyway, the following text is from Mats Persson a developers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parad1ne
As of right now there aren't. They aren't yet for sure if they plan to have them during travel to different continents or dungeons. We wont know until further testing, but they are aiming for no instances at all.
Mats Persson said; Traveling to other continents will most likely mean loading time (we're talking HUGE areas here). But there are no instances yet
All that aside, if you compare them side by side this is how I see it: Darkfall: About to release more and better content Mortal Online: Not about to release will play if DF fails
how in the hell do you know that darkfall will have more and better content than MO? we don't even know all of MO's features yet! why do so many df fans come to this conclusion?
All that aside, if you compare them side by side this is how I see it: Darkfall: About to release more and better content Mortal Online: Not about to release will play if DF fails
how in the hell do you know that darkfall will have more and better content than MO? we don't even know all of MO's features yet! why do so many df fans come to this conclusion?
You just gave the reason...When more info comes out my statment could be modified. But as of now it is 100% true.
Darkfall looks like it could be an interesting game. However the rabid fanbois of that game remind me of a cult. The fact they act like it is their religion will keep me away from that game.
Amen. Exactly my thoughts. I support it, but I can't see myself playing it at the moment.
here jkooler, since you obviously know nothing about DF and its development
this is darkfall team presenting their game in Athens digital week
Mortal could be a great game in about 2 years, they will not make a game like DF with all the features when they barely have any screens and a pre rendered video. Summer 09 is not realistic in my eyes. also selling t-shirts before they acctualy had 1 real screenshot of the game. smells like AoC hype
about DF's community, yes it's rough but if DF fails they will go to Mortal...no ifs or butts..only reason they are not there now is because MO is a long way off from release
Look kid is not that i haven't seen this videos is just that the community in DF forum Sucks. yeah yeah what ever, if Darkfall delivers i will be the first in line to play it, am tired of WoW-ish copies. but if DF cant deliver i will be the first in line for Mortal.Is that simple no bashing no nothing.
A weapon doesnt make a Warrior Legendary, Is the warrior who makes the weapon.
Darkfall looks like it could be an interesting game. However the rabid fanbois of that game remind me of a cult. The fact they act like it is their religion will keep me away from that game.
QFT
its the main reason why i wont even bother picking up a copy of DFO.
Darkfall looks like it could be an interesting game. However the rabid fanbois of that game remind me of a cult. The fact they act like it is their religion will keep me away from that game.
Amen. Exactly my thoughts. I support it, but I can't see myself playing it at the moment.
you do relise df forums people are jus tbored out of ther eminds so : / you do know every communnity has bad people jus tmost had rules against stuff thatd f forums allow so you take it or leave it but ic an and iwll be a nice person in game that just the way i am
@polypterus -Wow, you know absolutly nothing about MO. Its the total opposite of what you said; they are aiming at a completly seamless and 0 instance. Why the hell do you post stuff that you have no idea about.
completly seamless with unreal engine BS and them gfx i call another BS
The difference is simple. Mortal has an -actual- developer making it. Its being made by a real company, with real investment. Darkfall is just an indy released doomed to the failure. A MMO needs a strong company to manage/payfor servers, legal fees, and everything else. Mortal is worth looking forward to, DF is false hope.
i think its the otehr way around Mo is being made by that thrones of chaos guy and there using somethign from them too SO i say bs on mortal atm
Originally posted by downtoearth you do relise df forums people are jus tbored out of ther eminds so : / you do know every communnity has bad people jus tmost had rules against stuff thatd f forums allow so you take it or leave it but ic an and iwll be a nice person in game that just the way i am
Every community may have bad people, but when the bad people are the overwhelming majority of a community I get very worried.
With regards to being a nice person in-game - Darkfall doesn't encourage being nice in-game, so if this is the way the so-called community is carrying on before the game is even released, eh, no thanks.
Originally posted by downtoearth you do relise df forums people are jus tbored out of ther eminds so : / you do know every communnity has bad people jus tmost had rules against stuff thatd f forums allow so you take it or leave it but ic an and iwll be a nice person in game that just the way i am
Every community may have bad people, but when the bad people are the overwhelming majority of a community I get very worried.
With regards to being a nice person in-game - Darkfall doesn't encourage being nice in-game, so if this is the way the so-called community is carrying on before the game is even released, eh, no thanks.
lol how many do think actully post? out of allt he rigisterd user i bet oyur the majority isnt complete arses
granated theres is a few on the forums i want ot punch my fist throw there teeth. i mean letting a few peole keep youf rom playing a game its pretty stupid
All that aside, if you compare them side by side this is how I see it: Darkfall: About to release more and better content Mortal Online: Not about to release will play if DF fails
how in the hell do you know that darkfall will have more and better content than MO? we don't even know all of MO's features yet! why do so many df fans come to this conclusion?
You just gave the reason...When more info comes out my statment could be modified. But as of now it is 100% true.
Not knowing all of MO's features doesn't mean Darkfall has more and better content. That statement is 0% true until we can compare the full feature sets of both games.
Have you guys actually even read one single thread in the Darkfall section on this site? Yes, there are 'rabid' fanbois. But I see more paranoid 'sceptics' there. Many of them have post their thought in this thread.
Calliong themself 'sceptics'.. That's funny.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
The difference is simple. Mortal has an -actual- developer making it. Its being made by a real company, with real investment. Darkfall is just an indy released doomed to the failure. A MMO needs a strong company to manage/payfor servers, legal fees, and everything else. Mortal is worth looking forward to, DF is false hope.
i think its the otehr way around Mo is being made by that thrones of chaos guy and there using somethign from them too SO i say bs on mortal atm
Mortal is not being made by the "thrones of chaos guy". You have ZERO evidence of this. I say bs on you.
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some might follwo Mo most wont looks like BS to most of us
Well, it can look like BS to you. You are entitle to your opinion. The facts are, however, that they have bought licenses with three completely legitimate companies (Epic, Quad Software and SpeedTree). A simple review of those sites shows thier legitimacy via their testimonials. Those are considerable investments and the amount of money involved their would have to be a really rich person involved to pull off such a hoax.
I can understand that it (MO) and its features of graphic style may not be your kind of gameplay or look. But BS? Hardly. Unless they run out of money and can't fund the project it's going to happen. And from what I have seen so far they are in just as good (at the worst) but most likely better financial position than Adventurine.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
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downtoearth,
Before I reply... are you an English as a second language poster?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
actully alot of darkfall people are kinda warry with MO DF its smells to much like scam to me and alot of other people.
oh the irony.
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If some one could show me a video of and interview of the DF devs i will be gladly happy, but for now all i have seen are writen interviews. Mortal has a video on the news at thier home town showing their office and talking about the game.
PS-Yes i have seen the videos on Youtube but non of them prof anything to me really ,some in-game fottage.
A weapon doesnt make a Warrior Legendary, Is the warrior who makes the weapon.
After taking a quick look at the mortal online website it seems they are going for a hard zoned and/or instanced world. That's a game killer for me. If I remember DFO developers have said up front they will have a seamless non instanced world. Most other things being equal that alone makes DFO far preferable.
@polypterus -Wow, you know absolutly nothing about MO. Its the total opposite of what you said; they are aiming at a completly seamless and 0 instance. Why the hell do you post stuff that you have no idea about.
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Before: developers loved games and made money.
Now: developers love money and make games.
Ok so fill me in. I could very well be wrong on that. I was just going by what I read on an FAQish post. Can you point me to a link that discusses this in a bit more detail?
Edit: Here is an answer to a question. Note: It is not very definitive but it does give me the impression there will be zones of some sort. Again if you have anything more definitive post it please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawk
One quick question if you don't mind, about the instances you explained, does that mean they will be more like zones? like Everquest/Daoc had for example as their dungeons/city zones?
I'm sorry, but it's really too early to tell how we will handle instances/zones. A lot of work is going on here at the moment. But I want to give you at least some idea of what we're dealing with:
When for example entering a city or a cave, a short loading time (and zone-splitting) gives us the opportunity to create really unique content for that zone, both visually and gameplay-wise. It could be specific buildings, creatures, mechanics and so on. This would benefits both PvP and PvE. However, if there are zones the transition must be handled very carefully as to not ruin the everyday PvP. Border-ganking is one of those issues. Another issue is of course that loading time (even as little as say 20 seconds) tends to spoil the feeling of a seamless world. We are of course trying our best to avoid them.
I personally feel that instancing is totally ok when it can be motivated in the game. To give you an example, Arena Fatalis, the large gladiator court in the capital city of Tindrem, will most likely be an instance. In role-playing terms, the arena will simply be "full" when enough people participate and/or spectate. I simply don't think it's necessary for a player to find out that it is "full" by walking in and watch it lag, and possibly spoil the ongoing fights.
However, more info on this later.
As I paraphrase a Darkfall fanboi,
"DF has no quest markers, and no quest log! The people giving you quests aren't marked either, since it's like this in my game, you're stupid.
I have a response to everyone who says this,
"No, it doesn't mean you're smarter. It means you'll have to wander around 3 days looking for the one spot the quest needs you to go while trying to remember the text before you give up after getting ganked for the 5th time and go talk to the quest giver... being you can find the unmarked model
. You have fun with that, I'll go back to LOTRO where I can refer to clear cardinel directions all the time."
Mortal Online does look quite a bit more fun than Darkfall from what I've seen, mainly the crafting system. Being I've heard nothing of Darkfall's and heard that MO has some big plans under their belt.
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Telthalion Rohircil - Guardian - Elemandir - Lord of The Rings Online
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== RIP == Torey - Commando - Orion - Tabula Rasa == RIP ==
---
Jordaniel Torey - Navy Megathron, Active Armor Tank - Tranquility - EVE Online
---
Torey Scott - Rifleman - Fallen Earth
____________________________
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
here jkooler, since you obviously know nothing about DF and its development
this is darkfall team presenting their game in Athens digital week
Mortal could be a great game in about 2 years, they will not make a game like DF with all the features when they barely have any screens and a pre rendered video. Summer 09 is not realistic in my eyes. also selling t-shirts before they acctualy had 1 real screenshot of the game. smells like AoC hype
about DF's community, yes it's rough but if DF fails they will go to Mortal...no ifs or butts..only reason they are not there now is because MO is a long way off from release
Does being in closed beta count for anything? I've seen hundreds of DFO screenshots and many descriptions of gameplay from beta-testers which sound awesome.
Someone who is not going to try DF when it comes out( even if it is great), but are waiting for MO(which is very similar to DF...) sound more like a rabid, illogical fan than anything else. If you are going to enjoy mortal online then you will enjoy Darkfall(if they both deliver). And dont give me that BULL about the DF community sucking blah blah blah. The game is not even out, and you are basing your opinion of the community upon a handfull of people from the forums (out of over 250 THOUSAND).
All that aside, if you compare them side by side this is how I see it:
Darkfall:
About to release
more and better content
Mortal Online:
Not about to release
will play if DF fails
@polyp
Hmmm yeah sorry about my overly agressive post. I didnt take the time to read the FAQ myself. Anyway, the following text is from Mats Persson a developers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parad1ne
As of right now there aren't. They aren't yet for sure if they plan to have them during travel to different continents or dungeons. We wont know until further testing, but they are aiming for no instances at all.
Mats Persson said; Traveling to other continents will most likely mean loading time (we're talking HUGE areas here). But there are no instances yet
Thats where I go this info.
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Before: developers loved games and made money.
Now: developers love money and make games.
how in the hell do you know that darkfall will have more and better content than MO? we don't even know all of MO's features yet! why do so many df fans come to this conclusion?
how in the hell do you know that darkfall will have more and better content than MO? we don't even know all of MO's features yet! why do so many df fans come to this conclusion?
You just gave the reason...When more info comes out my statment could be modified. But as of now it is 100% true.
Amen. Exactly my thoughts. I support it, but I can't see myself playing it at the moment.
Look kid is not that i haven't seen this videos is just that the community in DF forum Sucks. yeah yeah what ever, if Darkfall delivers i will be the first in line to play it, am tired of WoW-ish copies. but if DF cant deliver i will be the first in line for Mortal. Is that simple no bashing no nothing.
A weapon doesnt make a Warrior Legendary, Is the warrior who makes the weapon.
QFT
its the main reason why i wont even bother picking up a copy of DFO.
because of 10 people?
Amen. Exactly my thoughts. I support it, but I can't see myself playing it at the moment.
you do relise df forums people are jus tbored out of ther eminds so : / you do know every communnity has bad people jus tmost had rules against stuff thatd f forums allow so you take it or leave it but ic an and iwll be a nice person in game that just the way i am
completly seamless with unreal engine BS and them gfx i call another BS
i think its the otehr way around Mo is being made by that thrones of chaos guy and there using somethign from them too SO i say bs on mortal atm
Every community may have bad people, but when the bad people are the overwhelming majority of a community I get very worried.
With regards to being a nice person in-game - Darkfall doesn't encourage being nice in-game, so if this is the way the so-called community is carrying on before the game is even released, eh, no thanks.
Every community may have bad people, but when the bad people are the overwhelming majority of a community I get very worried.
With regards to being a nice person in-game - Darkfall doesn't encourage being nice in-game, so if this is the way the so-called community is carrying on before the game is even released, eh, no thanks.
lol how many do think actully post? out of allt he rigisterd user i bet oyur the majority isnt complete arses
granated theres is a few on the forums i want ot punch my fist throw there teeth. i mean letting a few peole keep youf rom playing a game its pretty stupid
how in the hell do you know that darkfall will have more and better content than MO? we don't even know all of MO's features yet! why do so many df fans come to this conclusion?
You just gave the reason...When more info comes out my statment could be modified. But as of now it is 100% true.
Not knowing all of MO's features doesn't mean Darkfall has more and better content. That statement is 0% true until we can compare the full feature sets of both games.
Have you guys actually even read one single thread in the Darkfall section on this site? Yes, there are 'rabid' fanbois. But I see more paranoid 'sceptics' there. Many of them have post their thought in this thread.
Calliong themself 'sceptics'.. That's funny.
______________________________
The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
i think its the otehr way around Mo is being made by that thrones of chaos guy and there using somethign from them too SO i say bs on mortal atm
Mortal is not being made by the "thrones of chaos guy". You have ZERO evidence of this. I say bs on you.