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Another Wrath of the Lich King review
Malvolentia
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I finally broke down and decided to give WoW one last shot. I remember the good times I had in it.
I have a level 80 rogue right now in moderate gear. I don't run the raids, but I do run the heroics which have become easier, and i do the Battlegrounds.
There's a lot of good and bad in this expansion.
I'll start with the good stuff.
Gear is a lot more accessible to everyone. You can buy pvp gear running the heroic instances, pvp gear from pvping, and then the upper tier gear from the arenas and raiding. Also a lot of cool mounts and cosmetic things keep it interesting.
The solid foundation that makes WoW with quick combat reactions and progression is all still there. That sells itself.
The enviroment looks beautiful. The Howling Fjord was especially nice. Graphics looked a better to me this time around. Pretty good for a game that's been out for 5 years. Still acceptable imo.
Now the bad. Death Knights. Releasing a facerolling, mouthbreathing overpowered class into an already imbalanced game was a terrible decision. At least terrible when you don't even try which Blizzard seems to really lost it on this expansion when it comes to balance. Too many.
No healers. I think this can be contributed to the fact pvp is a 1 - 2 shot fps kill fest. Resilience isn't fixing the issue. So nobody wants to heal and get gangbanged.
Of course blizzard is coming forth with the usual rhetoric: "just wait till later......" I don't think I can buy that this time around.
The gameplay is so far from the original foundation that I think we've hit the point of no return. You have DKs tanking and running the dps. Ret paladins wrecking dps. Hybrids got a big boost with this expansion but in the end everyone ended up losing cause the game is just a gimmick now.
The overall game is just simply easymode. Where as Classic WoW required some CCing, good healers, and tanks,,,this one any mouthbreathing faceroller can step up and master classes in a day. Which is good for business since that seems to be 85% of WoW's playerbase.
They've oversimplified everything and gear is so easy to come by it's just not even worth having or celebrating over. The medal of honor isn't worth much when you hand it out to every child with down syndrome.
They did nothing with the endgame. Endgame is the same old Battleground treadmill it always was. If you want to get wrecked by a dps team you can play some arenas. Without the class balance tho, prepare to just get aggravated.
Luckily Blizzard doesn't have much competition cause this expansion was not tested for balance and it seems some higher up stepped in and nerfed all the content into the ground to make sure lil bobby the down syndrome child could get his epics.
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Funny that you're complaining the game is too easy - yet you pick a Rogue. No offense - but in my years playing a Rogue alt - it is arguably the easiest (and the most boring) class to play:
- press 3 buttons
- stay away from AoE damage
- PvP ? /stunlock
Not to mention that I see Rogue as the class Blizz nerfed the least (the weapon speed normalization is the only Rogue 'nerf' I could think of).
You want a challenge ? Roll a Paladin, heal heroic HoL.
So far looking at WWS parses - I have yet to see DK dominate the dps meters.As for tanking: DK is my (and the majority of healers') least favourite tanking class, had you been a healer too - I'm sure you'd agree with me.
Not because of the bad players - but even in the hand of seasoned players: DK is very susceptible to spike damages.
In BGs - they're not real threat too, even for me as a healer (but maybe that's because I wear plate)
Though they may be a threat for you as a Rogue though: they are, after all: plate wearing casters.
Funny that you're complaining the game is too easy - yet you pick a Rogue. No offense - but in my years playing a Rogue alt - it is arguably the easiest (and the most boring) class to play:
- press 3 buttons
- stay away from AoE damage
- PvP ? /stunlock
Not to mention that I see Rogue as the class Blizz nerfed the least (the weapon speed normalization is the only Rogue 'nerf' I could think of).
You want a challenge ? Roll a Paladin, heal heroic HoL.
So far looking at WWS parses - I have yet to see DK dominate the dps meters.As for tanking: DK is my (and the majority of healers') least favourite tanking class, had you been a healer too - I'm sure you'd agree with me.
Not because of the bad players - but even in the hand of seasoned players: DK is very susceptible to spike damages.
In BGs - they're not real threat too, even for me as a healer (but maybe that's because I wear plate)
Though they may be a threat for you as a Rogue though: they are, after all: plate wearing casters.
You realy havent played WoW alot,rogue is one of the hardest classes to play in PVE and group PVP,sure it's OP when you sneak behind someone with 1 HP left and do a ambush,but once your spotted you get burned to 0 HP in a matter of 2-4 seconds.
DKs, from a priest point of view, is an absolute pain to heal in comparison to the other tanking classes, guess they depend more on avoidance than pure mitigation, which makes the damage they take very spiky. An unholy DK will probably top dps in an aoe heavy instance, but single target they aren't on par with similar skilled rogues, hunters, mages and warlocks, all specced for PvE dps obviously.
Please elaborate.
Some of the OPs comments I do agree with.. and some of them really are just the 'timing' we are in right now.
1. PVP is really bursty right now. The reason is that nobody really has resilliance on gear yet ( Arena season just started). If you've been playing long, you would know that every arena season starts out like this. It's why every season, all-dps teams do good the first few weeks, and then gradually teams with a healer start to win more. It's just a side effect of arena gear requiring time to earn. It's even more pronounced this season because NOBODY has really any resillence gear at all.
2. DKs are overpowered at lvl 58-62 because they start out with great gear. I would say that in PvP, a lvl 80 DK is below average against the two characters I pvp with ( frost mage, moonkin). There are classes I have a LOT more trouble with than DKs.
3. DK tanking is terrible. I'm a healer, and DKs are by far the worst tank to try and heal.
I'm guessing you didn't play much past 70 or simply didn't pay attention; DKs are an average class once they reach Northrend.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Being rogue really has nothing to do with it. I agree with you that rogues are easier to get through the game with. I'm speaking of the fact the entire game is a breeze including the heroics.
Changing classes won't change the fact instanced are being snored through and mobs are being dropped in a couple hits.
If you haven't seen DKs running the dps and tanking then you've been partying with some bad players. I've seen it multiple times. In fact I've seen a lot of feral druids topping the dps. The game is just backwards now.
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I'm guessing you didn't play much past 70 or simply didn't pay attention; DKs are an average class once they reach Northrend.
No, they're not. You're wrong.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
You are wrong.
He is right. No, it's the other way around: you're in a group of bad players if they can't top the DK when he/she is tanking. We were talking about DK - now we're suddenly talking about feral.
Are you one of those pure-dps (lock/mage/rogue/hunter) players who are bitter that hybrids are doing good (great) now ?
You keep on saying that other classes are topping the dps meter. I can now see a pattern here - I'm guessing that they are topping the dps meter in groups you are in... which means (to me): you yourself are not hitting hard enough.
Heck. If you actually top them, you won't be QQ'ing about the classes here - cause you know you are a good and a better player than them.
Blame the player, not the class.
See, there's your problem: you're taking the healer's skill and the tanker's gear for granted.Let me explain:
* In an early heroic party where people are still in gear w/ item level less than 200, when the dps isn't high enough, fights lasts longer. DPS players simply discount this saying: "so what - it lasts longer. aint my problem." True, this isn't your problem: your gear doesn't make up for it yet. But what about the healer ? We simply run out of mana. We get the blame - you know, something like: "L2MANAGE YOUR MANA NUB."
* DPS is just as important in a fight as the healing. But when something hits the fan - what's more noticeable ? The DPS not enough, or the heals ?
* Yes - you're right: changing class won't change the fact instances are easy. But please do consider playing a healer class so that you can understand our point of view. It is a completely different ball game.
You might say: stop QQ'ing and play DPS then !! But you admitted yourself that the game's easy~ and -that- is the reason why I don't play DPS: it's boring and easy (unless you play Affliction lock).
Ghostcrawler, Blizzard's lead class designer for WoW put it the best:
Check the thread here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13723832302&pageNo=1&sid=1#13
Feel free to read the entire thread to get a better understanding of how healers felt.
Trust me - I've got a 70 lock, 70 rogue but I also have healers / hybrids: a paladin, a druid and a priest.
The healers / hybrids are my main (the priest and the paladin are at level 80, I'm working on the druid now).
I've given up playing pure dps classes because of the following reasons:
- pure dps have one and one role only: dealing damage.
- hybrid classes offer at least 2 role:
paladin: tank, single target healing, melee dps
drood: tank, raid healer, melee dps, ranged dps
shaman: AE healer, melee dps, ranged dps
priest: raid healer / single target healing, ranged dps
If you love the class you're playing - good, keep it that way: but the tone of your postings suggest otherwise. Thus I'm suggesting you to try one of the healer classes. Seeing you as a Rogue player, I suggest you to try the Druid.
OP, as one of those most notorious Wow haters on mmorpg.com gratz for even trying WotLK. Since you could even put in some positive comments but ended with ridiculous statement in the end (as could be predicted) ....
I cited the two main features of your post:
....you played it and you noticed the most important feature of Wow in the last sentence......
I do NOT buy the easy part of your post because MMORPG's are NOT all about dying but LIVING in a world and playing in it. Think about that.
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Now go to your achievements list and look how many times you died in those heroic dungeons and Raids (IF you did try them - I find most heroics even more difficult than early Nax btw). Remember Conan where on a PvP server you ran every few minutes before getting ganked?
See the point ?
I am not asking you to post your famous avatar, like Greyhoof was asked (
), also a ... rogue and quite the same style of rant). But it would help to stop the trolling feeling i have with these "easy" posts.
Blizz wanted their players to enjoy the game and the lore (wowwiki.com with its 65.000 lore pages remember?).
Lore wise WotLK is just about right to me in difficulty. Hard in the parts where it needs to be and easy in the parts to follow the lore.
Rest is pure - usual - trolling of the greatest MMORPG we have as players.
You admitted that yourself.
I guess for me I prefer a little bit of challenge as to just being handed everything. I guess we differ on this.
Sorry, but if this game is challenging or hard in anyway to you then you got some problems ahead of you.
You're right they don't have any competition. I'm not debating that WoW has some fun inside of it. Only that most of the audience wants more mouthbreathing facerollin content. That's what Blizzard delivered I guess. Not for me though.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
You are wrong.
He is right.
Well I'm not gonna play tag with this. I disagree that DKs are balanced in anyway. If you and a lot of the community think they're just fine then that goes a ways to explain why a lot of the balance in this game is demolished.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
You are wrong.
He is right.
Well I'm not gonna play tag with this. I disagree that DKs are balanced in anyway. If you and a lot of the community think they're just fine then that goes a ways to explain why a lot of the balance in this game is demolished.
No offense, but this statement just solidifies that you either didn't play post 70 or simply didn't pay attention. As I stated, once a DK hits Northrend they're a pretty average class.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Why don't you talk a little bit about the stuff that was added in the expansion? You touched on very little of it except for the Deathknight. You barely mentioned Northrend and the new zones. Below are a few other things you failed to mention. If you are going to give a review, at the very least you could touch on most of what was added instead of only focusing on a 1 or 2 new additions to the game.
1) Lake Wintergrasp.
2) Destructable buildings.
3) Vehicles.
4) Inscription profession.
5) Dual Mounts.
6) Any of the new instances.
7) Any of the new skills/abilities.
8) New talent trees
9) Dynamic shadows
10) Phasing
I guess for me I prefer a little bit of challenge as to just being handed everything. I guess we differ on this.
Sorry, but if this game is challenging or hard in anyway to you then you got some problems ahead of you.
You're right they don't have any competition. I'm not debating that WoW has some fun inside of it. Only that most of the audience wants more mouthbreathing facerollin content. That's what Blizzard delivered I guess. Not for me though.
Please come back when you've done Sartharion (the Onyx Guardian, a Black Dragon) while allowing his 3 assistants to remain alive. Also I'd like to hear from you when you win 10 games in a row in the Arena @ 2200+ rating. Let us know when you have over 8000 achievement points. Or maybe after you've done nearly all quests added to the game during 4 years. I mean all of these things are so easy right? If you think so, then go complete them.
There's plenty of challenge in WoW, I guess the challenge just isn't for you though. It seems for your typical WoW-hater "old-time MMO player", since UO / EQ1 or whatever they choose to say, the challenge they seek is something pointless like not having minimap markers and the game must have unefficient maps to get you lost better, so you get an awesome feel of achieving something when you find a road.
He's stated that he doesn't do raids - and it's an argument he's likely to use.
But he did say that he's running heroics.
Thus I suggested him to roll a Paladin and heal heroic HoL - to which he replied that it won't make a difference: the game will still be easy.
So basically:
- OP's playing an easy class doing easy role (dps class w/ the simplest rotation ? duh...)
- thus OP's saying WoW is too easy
- I presented a challenge for him. He declined - saying it won't make a difference.
OP: please quit WoW.
I guess for me I prefer a little bit of challenge as to just being handed everything. I guess we differ on this.
Sorry, but if this game is challenging or hard in anyway to you then you got some problems ahead of you.
You're right they don't have any competition. I'm not debating that WoW has some fun inside of it. Only that most of the audience wants more mouthbreathing facerollin content. That's what Blizzard delivered I guess. Not for me though.
Please come back when you've done Sartharion (the Onyx Guardian, a Black Dragon) while allowing his 3 assistants to remain alive. Also I'd like to hear from you when you win 10 games in a row in the Arena @ 2200+ rating. Let us know when you have over 8000 achievement points. Or maybe after you've done nearly all quests added to the game during 4 years. I mean all of these things are so easy right? If you think so, then go complete them.
There's plenty of challenge in WoW, I guess the challenge just isn't for you though. It seems for your typical WoW-hater "old-time MMO player", since UO / EQ1 or whatever they choose to say, the challenge they seek is something pointless like not having minimap markers and the game must have unefficient maps to get you lost better, so you get an awesome feel of achieving something when you find a road.
lol don't even bring up arenas in a talk about WoW, it will only hurt your side. Wow's pvp is so broken and unbalanced that arenas aren't even an option for most players.
PvP was actually one of the reasons I'm discontinuing my account. Are you honestly going to sith there and tell me how balanced it is?
Please spare me the usual "ur just hater" garbage. I gave the expansion a pretty fair review. There's a lot of things good about WoW. I understand why it's popular. Imo it's the superior UI, combat quickness, and spoonfed content.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Funny that you're complaining the game is too easy - yet you pick a Rogue. No offense - but in my years playing a Rogue alt - it is arguably the easiest (and the most boring) class to play:
- press 3 buttons
- stay away from AoE damage
- PvP ? /stunlock
Not to mention that I see Rogue as the class Blizz nerfed the least (the weapon speed normalization is the only Rogue 'nerf' I could think of).
You want a challenge ? Roll a Paladin, heal heroic HoL.
So far looking at WWS parses - I have yet to see DK dominate the dps meters.As for tanking: DK is my (and the majority of healers') least favourite tanking class, had you been a healer too - I'm sure you'd agree with me.
Not because of the bad players - but even in the hand of seasoned players: DK is very susceptible to spike damages.
In BGs - they're not real threat too, even for me as a healer (but maybe that's because I wear plate)
Though they may be a threat for you as a Rogue though: they are, after all: plate wearing casters.
You realy havent played WoW alot,rogue is one of the hardest classes to play in PVE and group PVP,sure it's OP when you sneak behind someone with 1 HP left and do a ambush,but once your spotted you get burned to 0 HP in a matter of 2-4 seconds.
In there really isn't a such thing as a hard dps class in pve, there all easy to play as long as you got good healers and tank. In Pvp group or non group its really easy playing the rogue if you have your action bar set up right, attack, attack, attack, Cheat Death! Then vanish bandage, come back kill them blind vanish, heal and again and again, in arenas, rogues are the hardest class to kill.
Sorrowbane blood elf mage
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waiting on: GW2 and next WoW expansion
played: flyff, diablo2, maplestory, dungeon runners, eudemons online, conquer online, runescape, decide online, perfect world, and atlantica.
He's stated that he doesn't do raids - and it's an argument he's likely to use.
But he did say that he's running heroics.
Thus I suggested him to roll a Paladin and heal heroic HoL - to which he replied that it won't make a difference: the game will still be easy.
So basically:
- OP's playing an easy class doing easy role (dps class w/ the simplest rotation ? duh...)
- thus OP's saying WoW is too easy
- I presented a challenge for him. He declined - saying it won't make a difference.
OP: please quit WoW.
Well I am quitting. I know I obviously have the fanbois in a frenzy here.
There's no argument about WoW being easy. The raids have already been dominated within a week of release and CC isn't even a necessity in heroics anymore. Please stop making yourselves look foolish.
You're the typical mouthbreather I expect on here. You don't have an argument so you're crying about my class which has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. The same issues have come up for other people playing different classes and that doesn't stop the fact heroics are easymode, raids are cleared with ease.
Blizzard made the game easier to cater to the hordes of mouthbreathers receiving their free epics now after snoring through instances.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Mouthbreather is the new cool word for you? You seem to use it in almost all of your posts here. All these "mouthbreathers" seem to be better than you in the "super easy WoW", so what does this make you?
Anyway, enjoy your niche game with no real future, only a lot of wasted potential piled up for the crowd of "it's so cool to hate WoW".
Ok.. Im gonna try and be as fair as I possibly can.
I have a 70 rogue that I played for 3.5 years, and a 80 priest that I played for a year or so. Please dont tell me I dont know what im talking about.. anyway..
Pve in the expansion is very good, if not a little bit on the easy side. Reading some lore makes the quests more interesting and the "impact" you have on the world is a nice little touch that blizzard has added. The music is awesome, the landscapes are awesome. They even added little cutscenes and voice acting scenes. But really, I must agree with you saying how instances are easy. Heroics are not as easy as your making them out to be, but regular instances are very very simple. CC is non-exsistant. If you have a good tank/healer and SEMI-competent dps, you will clear the instance.
Something to keep in mind with pve also is that blizzard has not added many of the endgame raids. All of the Arthas raids have not been created yet.. and I assume a couple others as well.
PVP is a different story. As of right now, ANY cloth wearing class is cake for ANY melee dps class. I have been 2 shotted by ret pallies, stunlocked 100-0 by rogues, 3 shotted by boomkins and DK's and warriors. Becuase NO ONE has ANY resilence, this will not change until some resilence gets around.
I could go into nerfs and buffs, but im not going to.
So summing it all up.. PVE is much more fun in this expansion then it was in all the others.. PVP is going to broken for another 2-3 months.. so dont rag on it to hard until then.
Blizzard has done a superb job with the expansion and I hope they keep up the good work with Diablo and Starcraft.
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There's no argument about WoW being easy. The raids have already been dominated within a week of release and CC isn't even a necessity in heroics anymore. Please stop making yourselves look foolish.
You're the typical mouthbreather I expect on here. You don't have an argument so you're crying about my class which has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. The same issues have come up for other people playing different classes and that doesn't stop the fact heroics are easymode, raids are cleared with ease.
Blizzard made the game easier to cater to the hordes of mouthbreathers receiving their free epics now after snoring through instances.
What you don't realise is that Blizzard doesn't want people like you. You've obviously played other mmorpg's and have a clear idea what you like and dislike.
WoW is now about bringing in non-mmorpg players who have no expectations or experiences to compare with. Its easier to please someone totally ignorant about mmorpg's than someone who has been playing them for years (ie you)
While WoW at launch was made up of mostly players from other mmorpg's, and while WoW was easier the style still reflected that, it is now made up of people who have not played an mmorpg. The massive amounts of money spent on advertising is bringing in a different audience compared to the traditional mmorpg audience. Its bringing in people from the "instant gratification" generation. The idea that you spend time levelling up then running 5 man dungeons for blues to only then do raids and get epics is completely foreign to them.
Blizzard is ultimately a business and will do what they think is in their best interests. With such a huge playerbase and massive revenue Blizzard realise they can use that money to tap into other markets and find players instead of getting players from other mmorpg's who are much harder to please.
I picked: "I don't give a ..." in the other thread 'Anyoner here that actually hopes WoW doesn't die ?'
Because I do: I don't give a damn if it dies tomorrow (I do care for refund if it indeed dies before my sub ends). It's a game - there's no emotional attachment to it.
Look mate: I'm not a fanboi who would blatantly side on Blizzard - I'm actually on yours: trying to show you what other aspects in WoW that you might enjoy. But you refused, you're adamant that you won't find challenge (fun) anymore in WoW - fine: I'm glad you're quitting: it's your $15 (or whose ever is paying for you) - there's no point spending it if you don't get what you want.
But of course, you can reply w/ something like: "You're trying to keep me sub'd to WoW by saying all that ! I SEE WHAT YOU DID THAR ! You're a fanboi !!!oneoneelevenOMGWTFBBQQQQQQQQ MOAR"
Yes, I -am- the mouthbreather who heals the soprano, lead singer, the quarterback that is the dps players - because doing dps is so hard and only those who are noble with exceptional intelectual capacity are permitted to do so. ...and if I ever deserve welfare epics (which is actually to help heal them) it's.... lo ! and behold ! Because the dps players has -chosen- to generously -let- unworthy, lowly, moutherbreather like me to rollLook, on the more serious side: the class you've played has got everything to do w/ the conversation - I've lost count pointing out that the Rogue is one easy and boring class, which I wouldn't have dared to say had I not played one before (up to lvl 70). I sincerely wish you the best of luck finding a game that suits you.
No genius, they're not better, they're just eating up the spoonfed content. Like I said I'm leaving the game cause it IS TOO EASY. Remove your head from your colon and go back and reread scrub.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
There's no argument about WoW being easy. The raids have already been dominated within a week of release and CC isn't even a necessity in heroics anymore. Please stop making yourselves look foolish.
You're the typical mouthbreather I expect on here. You don't have an argument so you're crying about my class which has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. The same issues have come up for other people playing different classes and that doesn't stop the fact heroics are easymode, raids are cleared with ease.
Blizzard made the game easier to cater to the hordes of mouthbreathers receiving their free epics now after snoring through instances.
What you don't realise is that Blizzard doesn't want people like you. You've obviously played other mmorpg's and have a clear idea what you like and dislike.
WoW is now about bringing in non-mmorpg players who have no expectations or experiences to compare with. Its easier to please someone totally ignorant about mmorpg's than someone who has been playing them for years (ie you)
While WoW at launch was made up of mostly players from other mmorpg's, and while WoW was easier the style still reflected that, it is now made up of people who have not played an mmorpg. The massive amounts of money spent on advertising is bringing in a different audience compared to the traditional mmorpg audience. Its bringing in people from the "instant gratification" generation. The idea that you spend time levelling up then running 5 man dungeons for blues to only then do raids and get epics is completely foreign to them.
Blizzard is ultimately a business and will do what they think is in their best interests. With such a huge playerbase and massive revenue Blizzard realise they can use that money to tap into other markets and find players instead of getting players from other mmorpg's who are much harder to please.
Ya, I've clearly stated that most people are dumb and that's what blizzard is after. That's what they're building the game around. So a 5 year old with down syndrome can complete every achievement.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
I'm not gonna repeat myself. Ok bro sure. The game is a mess cause I have an easy to play class and everything is fine it's just that everyone who rolls a rogue goes through a super easy tube to free epics and easy gameplay ya got me
And all other classes are an uphill battle of legendary difficulty
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
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