Originally posted by xzyax I'm still unclear on the portion about them wanting to utilize their own official site to release information though. It would appear from their own actions that does not appear to be true. They seem to utilize their own web-site the LEAST when it comes to giving out newer information. Perhaps you can expound upon how that seems to be incongruous with your previous statements of their intent?
It isn't incongruous. How does how often they use it have any impact on my statement that the website is there to provide a portal for info they want to release? That does not mean that all other possible avenues of releasing information are excluded or indeed that they ever need to use that website at all.
But you just said before that the reason the web site existed was for the information that they want to put out? Right?
Yet, they have chosen to NOT do that very thing that you say the web site is for. That seems to fit the defintion of the word incongruous to me. (i.e: disagreeing and inharmonious in character)
They have used third-party sites to release some information that directly contradicts information on the very site that you say they want to use for releasing information. That would seem to be inharmonious in character to me... i.e. incongruous.
Perhaps you have some other definition for the word?
Originally posted by xzyax But you just said before that the reason the web site existed was for the information that they want to put out? Right? Yet, they have chosen to NOT do that very thing that you say the web site is for. That seems to fit the defintion of the word incongruous to me. (i.e: disagreeing and inharmonious in character) How does whether they use it not change it's purpose? They have used third-party sites to release some information that directly contradicts information on the very site that you say they want to use for releasing information. That would seem to be inharmonious in character to me... i.e. incongruous. Perhaps you have some other definition for the word? I don't see this makes the purpose of the site anything other than a place for the developers to contain information that they want to be contained there whether they use it or not.
You are arguing with my premise that the website is a place for the devs to put information that they want to make available to the public and not for information that you want them to make available to the public.
This is a very simple argument. How is the content of the site or what they put on other sites even relevant?
If you disagree please explain what you think the purpose of the site is.
Originally posted by xzyax But you just said before that the reason the web site existed was for the information that they want to put out? Right? Yet, they have chosen to NOT do that very thing that you say the web site is for. That seems to fit the defintion of the word incongruous to me. (i.e: disagreeing and inharmonious in character) How does whether they use it not change it's purpose? They have used third-party sites to release some information that directly contradicts information on the very site that you say they want to use for releasing information. That would seem to be inharmonious in character to me... i.e. incongruous. Perhaps you have some other definition for the word? I don't see this makes the purpose of the site anything other than a place for the developers to contain information that they want to be contained there whether they use it or not.
You are arguing with my premise that the website is a place for the devs to put information that they want to make available to the public and not for information that you want them to make available to the public.
This is a very simple argument. How is the content of the site or what they put on other sites even relevant?
If you disagree please explain what you think the purpose of the site is.
Yes... I am arguing with your premise. I said as much. I said I disagreed with your statement that you made at the beginning.
"I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want."
I am disagreeing that the site is only for the devs to get information to us. I also disagree that it is not for what the fans want and only what the devs want.
I listed my reasons in why I believe you are wrong. The very actions of the Devs themselves seem to bear out my reasoning as correct.
As for what purpose the site holds? Glad you asked...
I believe it's purposes are many. Some of it's main purposes seem to include:
For registration and application to Beta
For forecasting the interest in their product
For marketing purposes to show to potential investors as to the number of potential subscribers
For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers
For the debate and discussion of items both related and un-related to DarkFall
Information? ... Not so much. As it seems to be the last place to be updated with current information.
Those seem to be the main purposes of the web site and it's forums as near as I can discern from the action of the Devs.
Originally posted by xzyax Yes... I am arguing with your premise. I said as much. I said I disagreed with your statement that you made at the beginning. "I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want." I am disagreeing that the site is only for the devs to get information to us. I also disagree that it is not for what the fans want and only what the devs want. I listed my reasons in why I believe you are wrong. The very actions of the Devs themselves seem to bear out my reasoning as correct. As for what purpose the site holds? Glad you asked... I believe it's purposes are many. Some of it's main purposes seem to include: For registration and application to Beta Agree For forecasting the interest in their product Agree For marketing purposes to show to potential investors as to the number of potential subscribers Agree For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers Do not agree, all of the info posted by fans is primarily allowed as it helps sell the game For the debate and discussion of items both related and un-related to DarkFall Do not agree, all of the info posted by fans is primarily allowed as it helps sell the game Those seem to be the main purposes of the web site and it's forums as near as I can discern from the action of the Devs.
I see your point, and I agree that I overlooked the potential that the website has for catching information as well as displaying it but to me if you think that the website has any kind social networking facility or any other kind of altruistic features for any purpose other than it helps to sell the game, and therefore the devs want it there, then you are wearing rose tinted specs xtreme. It's primary purpose is a platform on which the devs display information that they want there, not that anybody else wants (although obviously in some instances it may be the same).
Originally posted by xzyax Yes... I am arguing with your premise. I said as much. I said I disagreed with your statement that you made at the beginning. "I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want." I am disagreeing that the site is only for the devs to get information to us. I also disagree that it is not for what the fans want and only what the devs want. I listed my reasons in why I believe you are wrong. The very actions of the Devs themselves seem to bear out my reasoning as correct. As for what purpose the site holds? Glad you asked... I believe it's purposes are many. Some of it's main purposes seem to include: For registration and application to Beta Agree For forecasting the interest in their product Agree For marketing purposes to show to potential investors as to the number of potential subscribers Agree For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers Do not agree, all of the info posted by fans is primarily allowed as it helps sell the game For the debate and discussion of items both related and un-related to DarkFall Do not agree, all of the info posted by fans is primarily allowed as it helps sell the game Those seem to be the main purposes of the web site and it's forums as near as I can discern from the action of the Devs.
I see your point, and I agree that I overlooked the potential that the website has for catching information as well as providing it but to me if you think that the website has any kind social networking facility or any other kind of altruistic features for any purpose other than it helps to sell the game, and therefore the devs want it there, then you are wearing rose tinted specs xtreme. It's primary purpose is a platform on which the devs display information that they want there, not that anybody else wants (although obviously in some instances it may be the same).
So then explain these categories on the Forums and how they sell the game. I'll await your explanation for each category.
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All of those things encourage people to use the website and therefore they are constantly spammed with the word "Darkfall" and are not likely to forget about the game. It is free advertising, gets them involved with darkfall communtity and makes it very likely that they will buy the game. The more time they invest in it the more likely they are to buy it. Why do you think supermarkets make free kids magazines ect? Out of generosity?
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All of those things encourage people to use the website and therefore they are constantly spammed with the word "Darkfall" and are not likely to forget about the game. It is free advertising, gets them involved with darkfall communtity and makes it very likely that they will buy the game. The more time they invest in it the more likely they are to buy it.
Heh... you obviously haven't visited those topics.
You are not "spammed" with the word DarkFall in those places. Go in those topics and see for yourself.
Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a
"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"
Originally posted by xzyax Heh... you obviously haven't visited those topics.
You are not "spammed" with the word DarkFall in those places. Go in those topics and see for yourself. Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a "For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers" Yet now you say it "gets them involved with the darkfall community" So which is it?
All of those forums have a large Darkfall logo on them at the top of every page. I said that the site was a platform for information that the devs want to put out. If user generated content attracts people to the site so that they can talk about darkfall and view a giant darkfall logo at the top of each page of course they want it to be on their site. Getting people interested in the game is aligned with devs own interest of selling it therefore this is information they want on their site.
Originally posted by xzyax Heh... you obviously haven't visited those topics.
You are not "spammed" with the word DarkFall in those places. Go in those topics and see for yourself. Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a "For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers" Yet now you say it "gets them involved with the darkfall community" So which is it?
All of those forums have a large Darkfall logo on them at the top of every page. I said that the site was a platform for information that the devs want to put out. If user generated content attracts people to the site so that they can talk about darkfall and view a giant darkfall logo at the top of each page of course they want it to be on their site. Getting people interested in the game is aligned with devs own interest of selling it therefore this is information they want on their site.
Ahh... so now just a simple logo on the top is all the information they want to get out... got it.
Ohh... and they aren't talking about DarkFall in the vast majority of those Forums... hence the name Off-Topic and Non-DarkFall Related.
Heh... you also didn't address:
Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a
"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"
Originally posted by xzyax Ahh... so now just a simple logo on the top is all the information they want to get out... got it.
Ohh... and they aren't talking about DarkFall in the vast majority of those Forums... hence the name Off-Topic and Non-DarkFall Related. Heh... you also didn't address: Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a "For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers" Yet now you say it "gets them involved with the darkfall community" So which is it?
I don't know why this is so hard to understand:
Info about the game written by devs - this makes people want to buy the game and is therefore info the devs want to have their site.
User generated content in off topic, roleplaying forum ect - this attracts people to their site and therefore ensures that they view a massive darkfall logo and probably talk about darkfall at some stage therefore this is information the devs want to have their site.
Originally posted by xzyax Heh... you obviously haven't visited those topics.
You are not "spammed" with the word DarkFall in those places. Go in those topics and see for yourself. Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a "For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers" Yet now you say it "gets them involved with the darkfall community" So which is it?
All of those forums have a large Darkfall logo on them at the top of every page. I said that the site was a platform for information that the devs want to put out. If user generated content attracts people to the site so that they can talk about darkfall and view a giant darkfall logo at the top of each page of course they want it to be on their site. Getting people interested in the game is aligned with devs own interest of selling it therefore this is information they want on their site.
Ahh... so now just a simple logo on the top is all the information they want to get out... got it.
Ohh... and they aren't talking about DarkFall in the vast majority of those Forums... hence the name Off-Topic and Non-DarkFall Related.
Heh... you also didn't address:
Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a
"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"
Yet now you say it
"gets them involved with the darkfall community"
So which is it?
Just give it up, he is wrong, EVERYONE knows it, so stop fighting with him, his ego is to big to admit that the site isn't JUST for giving out information that only darkfall wants out.
You guys are argueing over a null point, the site is about selling the game, and making the future customer base happy, so that they will, dun dun dun, buy the game. It gives out information about the game, so that people will be interested in it, and will be more likely to, dun dun dun, BUY THE GAME. It has sections that are not related to darkfall, so that customers will have something to do and talk about that isnt darkfall related, and yet maintain their presense in the darkfall community, and if they have strong ties to the darkfall community, they are less likely to cancel their subsciption, and are more likely to keep playing the game.
Plain and simple, the site is there to make money, same reason they are making a MMO, not to please people, but to make money. Why do they please people? Because its the most efficient way to MAKE MONEY. So stop argueing, the site is about making money, same with the game, everything else is just ends to the means.
Just give it up, he is wrong, EVERYONE knows it, so stop fighting with him, his ego is to big to admit that the site isn't JUST for giving out information that only darkfall wants out.
It is though, any information that helps sell the game whether it be user generated content or dev content is information that they want on their site. Getting back to my orignal point the site is there for information the devs want to put out, it's not there for anyone else.
Just give it up, he is wrong, EVERYONE knows it, so stop fighting with him, his ego is to big to admit that the site isn't JUST for giving out information that only darkfall wants out.
It is though, any information that helps sell the game whether it be user generated content or dev content is information that they want on their site. Getting back to my orignal point the site is there for information the devs want to put out, it's not there for anyone else.
Which brings me back to MY original point, your ego is to inflated to admit that you are wrong, which is why it is stupid to try and argue with you, it's like argueing with a wall, it just won't work.
Which is also why I will not be replying to you when you say "I am right, it's not my ego, it's that I am right", or something similar. Good day sir.
Which brings me back to MY original point, your ego is to inflated to admit that you are wrong, which is why it is stupid to try and argue with you, it's like argueing with a wall, it just won't work.
Which is also why I will not be replying to you when you say "I am right, it's not my ego, it's that I am right", or something similar. Good day sir.
Well considering your description of what the site is for is essentially the same as mine I don't think I have any arguement with you anyway. I fail to see how anyone can disagree that the website is platform to display information in order sell the game, i.e. information the devs want displayed there. They control everything that is on the site therefore anything that is on it is information that they wish to be there. That is it's purpose.
In essence a websites purpose is to display information that the site owner wishes to be displayed. Also as I overlooked in my original statement it can also have the duel purpose of collecting information.
I will amend my original statement - I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information and collect information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want.
I don't get the disagreement it is such a broad statement it covers just about every website ever created, lol.
Which brings me back to MY original point, your ego is to inflated to admit that you are wrong, which is why it is stupid to try and argue with you, it's like argueing with a wall, it just won't work.
Which is also why I will not be replying to you when you say "I am right, it's not my ego, it's that I am right", or something similar. Good day sir.
Well considering your description of what the site is for is essentially the same as mine I don't think I have any arguement with you anyway. I fail to see how anyone can disagree that the website is platform to display information in order sell the game, i.e. information the devs want displayed there. They control everything that is on the site therefore anything that is on it is information that they wish to be there. That is it's purpose.
In essence a websites purpose is to display information that the site owner wishes to be displayed. Also as I overlooked in my original statement it can also have the duel purpose of collecting information.
I will amend my original statement - I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information and collect information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want.
I don't get the disagreement it is such a broad statement it covers just about every website ever created, lol.
So then why is they apologize, say they are sorry, and otherwise try and accommodate the fans then... since the fans are just ancillary and not really the point of the web site being there?
Why try to dress up the information with conciliatory words and accomadating phrases... why not just present the information as is. Since it's not about the fans... it's only about the devs and the information.
Nope. You'll not convince me differently on this, just as I won't be convincing you differently either.
From the way I see it...
A site that is first and foremost concerned about getting out the information and doing what they want and not what the "fans" want... would be something like this:
Those would be example of what you are explaining to me.
A site like DarkFall's is different though. They realize they need to draw people in and try and keep them. They give their potential customers what they want... eventually because that is what keeps the people there and helps to attract more new customers.
In the end the answer for me is simple.
DarkFall's site is there because there are potential customers... hence it IS about what the fans want. If DarkFall fails to give what the fans want... the site will cease to exist... whether the Devs want it to or not.
I don't want this to turn into a giant arguement. The fact is every website exists for the purpose of displaying the information that the owner wants it to, not what anyone else wants because they have not created it. The only exception to this is if moderators are involved, who we can assume are following the instructions of the owners. It may also as you pointed be used to collect information. I am talking about the most fundamentaly basic level here and if you didn't understand that then read the original post again.
Btw I am using the word information in the context of anything that is being displayed on the website.
I don't want this to turn into a giant arguement. The fact is every website exists for the purpose of displaying the information that the owner wants it to, not what anyone else wants because they have not created it. The only exception to this is if moderators are involved, who we can assume are following the instructions of the owners. It may also as you pointed be used to collect information. I am talking about the most fundamentaly basic level here and if you didn't understand that then read the original post again.
Oh no... I understood you fine. I just disagree. That is still allowed... right?
I've listed why... and given example of fundamentally different websites.
The one would be an example of what you're explaining... of which I don't think DarkFall is a part of.
But, you are entitled to your opinion as well... just like I am to mine. Or, at least I think so.
Ok maybe the misunderstanding is that I consider information to be anything that is displayed on the screen. I am not talking about factual information.
Ok maybe the misunderstanding is that I consider information to be anything that is displayed on the screen. I am not talking about factual information.
Ok we aren't going to agree on this, but for me the only conceivable way that the site wouldn't be putting out the info that they want isif it was hacked or in some way altered by a third party.
It's 8 days people, in only 8 days we will see who is right, the fanbois or the vaporware claimers. Unless you just really like the sound of your own voice, I can't see one reason to whine either way until then.
Find me proof that this game is going to release on the 22nd.
And a Dev. Interview doesn't matter.. because Aventurine hasn't hit any of their prior dates.
My post was 100% neutral, why would you assume I am a fanboi and not a vaporware claimer? Just love to argue that much?
Yeah.. that's it.
You said "Why Whine .... Date?"
You are asking for someone to start an argument with you.
We have every reason to "whine" about wanting system specs, distrubution methods, cost, billing...
This is what they HAVE said (sorry that havent put it in writting yet) you can say its a lie or unproven but it would be if they wrote it down also.
Specs- You can play it on a 6600 Graphics card. That doesnt give you specs but that card is very craptastic so it should tell you that if you can play pretty much anything since WoW you will be fine.
Distribution- Direct download at first with box sells later. Just EU no because i dont think they have a publisher in the US yet. You can Direct download in US and play on EU servers until NA comes out.
Cost- THey stated what the cost would be in Euros and it converted to about 15 bucks. So the same as everything else.
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It isn't incongruous. How does how often they use it have any impact on my statement that the website is there to provide a portal for info they want to release? That does not mean that all other possible avenues of releasing information are excluded or indeed that they ever need to use that website at all.
But you just said before that the reason the web site existed was for the information that they want to put out? Right?
Yet, they have chosen to NOT do that very thing that you say the web site is for. That seems to fit the defintion of the word incongruous to me. (i.e: disagreeing and inharmonious in character)
They have used third-party sites to release some information that directly contradicts information on the very site that you say they want to use for releasing information. That would seem to be inharmonious in character to me... i.e. incongruous.
Perhaps you have some other definition for the word?
You are arguing with my premise that the website is a place for the devs to put information that they want to make available to the public and not for information that you want them to make available to the public.
This is a very simple argument. How is the content of the site or what they put on other sites even relevant?
If you disagree please explain what you think the purpose of the site is.
You are arguing with my premise that the website is a place for the devs to put information that they want to make available to the public and not for information that you want them to make available to the public.
This is a very simple argument. How is the content of the site or what they put on other sites even relevant?
If you disagree please explain what you think the purpose of the site is.
Yes... I am arguing with your premise. I said as much. I said I disagreed with your statement that you made at the beginning.
"I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want."
I am disagreeing that the site is only for the devs to get information to us. I also disagree that it is not for what the fans want and only what the devs want.
I listed my reasons in why I believe you are wrong. The very actions of the Devs themselves seem to bear out my reasoning as correct.
As for what purpose the site holds? Glad you asked...
I believe it's purposes are many. Some of it's main purposes seem to include:
For registration and application to Beta
For forecasting the interest in their product
For marketing purposes to show to potential investors as to the number of potential subscribers
For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers
For the debate and discussion of items both related and un-related to DarkFall
Information? ... Not so much. As it seems to be the last place to be updated with current information.
Those seem to be the main purposes of the web site and it's forums as near as I can discern from the action of the Devs.
I see your point, and I agree that I overlooked the potential that the website has for catching information as well as displaying it but to me if you think that the website has any kind social networking facility or any other kind of altruistic features for any purpose other than it helps to sell the game, and therefore the devs want it there, then you are wearing rose tinted specs xtreme. It's primary purpose is a platform on which the devs display information that they want there, not that anybody else wants (although obviously in some instances it may be the same).
I see your point, and I agree that I overlooked the potential that the website has for catching information as well as providing it but to me if you think that the website has any kind social networking facility or any other kind of altruistic features for any purpose other than it helps to sell the game, and therefore the devs want it there, then you are wearing rose tinted specs xtreme. It's primary purpose is a platform on which the devs display information that they want there, not that anybody else wants (although obviously in some instances it may be the same).
So then explain these categories on the Forums and how they sell the game. I'll await your explanation for each category.
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All of those things encourage people to use the website and therefore they are constantly spammed with the word "Darkfall" and are not likely to forget about the game. It is free advertising, gets them involved with darkfall communtity and makes it very likely that they will buy the game. The more time they invest in it the more likely they are to buy it. Why do you think supermarkets make free kids magazines ect? Out of generosity?
All of those things encourage people to use the website and therefore they are constantly spammed with the word "Darkfall" and are not likely to forget about the game. It is free advertising, gets them involved with darkfall communtity and makes it very likely that they will buy the game. The more time they invest in it the more likely they are to buy it.
Heh... you obviously haven't visited those topics.
You are not "spammed" with the word DarkFall in those places. Go in those topics and see for yourself.
Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a
"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"
Yet now you say it
"gets them involved with the darkfall community"
So which is it?
All of those forums have a large Darkfall logo on them at the top of every page. I said that the site was a platform for information that the devs want to put out. If user generated content attracts people to the site so that they can talk about darkfall and view a giant darkfall logo at the top of each page of course they want it to be on their site. Getting people interested in the game is aligned with devs own interest of selling it therefore this is information they want on their site.
All of those forums have a large Darkfall logo on them at the top of every page. I said that the site was a platform for information that the devs want to put out. If user generated content attracts people to the site so that they can talk about darkfall and view a giant darkfall logo at the top of each page of course they want it to be on their site. Getting people interested in the game is aligned with devs own interest of selling it therefore this is information they want on their site.
Ahh... so now just a simple logo on the top is all the information they want to get out... got it.
Ohh... and they aren't talking about DarkFall in the vast majority of those Forums... hence the name Off-Topic and Non-DarkFall Related.
Heh... you also didn't address:
Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a
"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"
Yet now you say it
"gets them involved with the darkfall community"
So which is it?
I don't know why this is so hard to understand:
Info about the game written by devs - this makes people want to buy the game and is therefore info the devs want to have their site.
User generated content in off topic, roleplaying forum ect - this attracts people to their site and therefore ensures that they view a massive darkfall logo and probably talk about darkfall at some stage therefore this is information the devs want to have their site.
All of those forums have a large Darkfall logo on them at the top of every page. I said that the site was a platform for information that the devs want to put out. If user generated content attracts people to the site so that they can talk about darkfall and view a giant darkfall logo at the top of each page of course they want it to be on their site. Getting people interested in the game is aligned with devs own interest of selling it therefore this is information they want on their site.
Ahh... so now just a simple logo on the top is all the information they want to get out... got it.
Ohh... and they aren't talking about DarkFall in the vast majority of those Forums... hence the name Off-Topic and Non-DarkFall Related.
Heh... you also didn't address:
Oh, and previously you said you disagreed with the site being a
"For providing a social networking and meeting place of their future potential customers"
Yet now you say it
"gets them involved with the darkfall community"
So which is it?
Just give it up, he is wrong, EVERYONE knows it, so stop fighting with him, his ego is to big to admit that the site isn't JUST for giving out information that only darkfall wants out.
You guys are argueing over a null point, the site is about selling the game, and making the future customer base happy, so that they will, dun dun dun, buy the game. It gives out information about the game, so that people will be interested in it, and will be more likely to, dun dun dun, BUY THE GAME. It has sections that are not related to darkfall, so that customers will have something to do and talk about that isnt darkfall related, and yet maintain their presense in the darkfall community, and if they have strong ties to the darkfall community, they are less likely to cancel their subsciption, and are more likely to keep playing the game.
Plain and simple, the site is there to make money, same reason they are making a MMO, not to please people, but to make money. Why do they please people? Because its the most efficient way to MAKE MONEY. So stop argueing, the site is about making money, same with the game, everything else is just ends to the means.
It is though, any information that helps sell the game whether it be user generated content or dev content is information that they want on their site. Getting back to my orignal point the site is there for information the devs want to put out, it's not there for anyone else.
It is though, any information that helps sell the game whether it be user generated content or dev content is information that they want on their site. Getting back to my orignal point the site is there for information the devs want to put out, it's not there for anyone else.
Which brings me back to MY original point, your ego is to inflated to admit that you are wrong, which is why it is stupid to try and argue with you, it's like argueing with a wall, it just won't work.
Which is also why I will not be replying to you when you say "I am right, it's not my ego, it's that I am right", or something similar. Good day sir.
Well considering your description of what the site is for is essentially the same as mine I don't think I have any arguement with you anyway. I fail to see how anyone can disagree that the website is platform to display information in order sell the game, i.e. information the devs want displayed there. They control everything that is on the site therefore anything that is on it is information that they wish to be there. That is it's purpose.
In essence a websites purpose is to display information that the site owner wishes to be displayed. Also as I overlooked in my original statement it can also have the duel purpose of collecting information.
I will amend my original statement - I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information and collect information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want.
I don't get the disagreement it is such a broad statement it covers just about every website ever created, lol.
Well considering your description of what the site is for is essentially the same as mine I don't think I have any arguement with you anyway. I fail to see how anyone can disagree that the website is platform to display information in order sell the game, i.e. information the devs want displayed there. They control everything that is on the site therefore anything that is on it is information that they wish to be there. That is it's purpose.
In essence a websites purpose is to display information that the site owner wishes to be displayed. Also as I overlooked in my original statement it can also have the duel purpose of collecting information.
I will amend my original statement - I would have thought that was obvious, they have forums and a website so they have a place to put information and collect information. Information that they want to put out, not what you want, what they want.
I don't get the disagreement it is such a broad statement it covers just about every website ever created, lol.
So then why is they apologize, say they are sorry, and otherwise try and accommodate the fans then... since the fans are just ancillary and not really the point of the web site being there?
Why try to dress up the information with conciliatory words and accomadating phrases... why not just present the information as is. Since it's not about the fans... it's only about the devs and the information.
Nope. You'll not convince me differently on this, just as I won't be convincing you differently either.
From the way I see it...
A site that is first and foremost concerned about getting out the information and doing what they want and not what the "fans" want... would be something like this:
www.irs.gov/
or
www.uspto.gov/
Those would be example of what you are explaining to me.
A site like DarkFall's is different though. They realize they need to draw people in and try and keep them. They give their potential customers what they want... eventually because that is what keeps the people there and helps to attract more new customers.
In the end the answer for me is simple.
DarkFall's site is there because there are potential customers... hence it IS about what the fans want. If DarkFall fails to give what the fans want... the site will cease to exist... whether the Devs want it to or not.
I don't want this to turn into a giant arguement. The fact is every website exists for the purpose of displaying the information that the owner wants it to, not what anyone else wants because they have not created it. The only exception to this is if moderators are involved, who we can assume are following the instructions of the owners. It may also as you pointed be used to collect information. I am talking about the most fundamentaly basic level here and if you didn't understand that then read the original post again.
Btw I am using the word information in the context of anything that is being displayed on the website.
Oh no... I understood you fine. I just disagree. That is still allowed... right?
I've listed why... and given example of fundamentally different websites.
The one would be an example of what you're explaining... of which I don't think DarkFall is a part of.
But, you are entitled to your opinion as well... just like I am to mine. Or, at least I think so.
Ok maybe the misunderstanding is that I consider information to be anything that is displayed on the screen. I am not talking about factual information.
Yup... I got that. I just disagree.
Ok we aren't going to agree on this, but for me the only conceivable way that the site wouldn't be putting out the info that they want isif it was hacked or in some way altered by a third party.
I give up
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Find me proof that this game is going to release on the 22nd.
And a Dev. Interview doesn't matter.. because Aventurine hasn't hit any of their prior dates.
My post was 100% neutral, why would you assume I am a fanboi and not a vaporware claimer? Just love to argue that much?
Yeah.. that's it.
You said "Why Whine .... Date?"
You are asking for someone to start an argument with you.
We have every reason to "whine" about wanting system specs, distrubution methods, cost, billing...
This is what they HAVE said (sorry that havent put it in writting yet) you can say its a lie or unproven but it would be if they wrote it down also.
Specs- You can play it on a 6600 Graphics card. That doesnt give you specs but that card is very craptastic so it should tell you that if you can play pretty much anything since WoW you will be fine.
Distribution- Direct download at first with box sells later. Just EU no because i dont think they have a publisher in the US yet. You can Direct download in US and play on EU servers until NA comes out.
Cost- THey stated what the cost would be in Euros and it converted to about 15 bucks. So the same as everything else.
Feel any better?
I thought not.
This game is so close to release.. it seems unreal.