Originally posted by Faxxer Originally posted by Man1ac I don't see what the problem is, Iran is considered a politically stable country, I mean they got their problems but they're not governed by the Taliban or the Al-qaeda. If Iran are considered a threat, on that basis US should be considered a threat too then.
What's the problem there in that link other than his calls that Iran be allowed to keep a nuclear program? He didn't seem like he was frothing at the mouth or a raving lunatic. There were no real "unreasonable" suggestions in that article that couldn't be discussed. And he certainly did not seem as though he was unwilling to talk. So what is your problem with the rest of the article?
Other than the nuclear point, which the whole world knows they won't be allowed to keep by the US and Israel, what's the main problem you see there?
Take the nuclear discussion off the table, because you and I are in agreement: They should not have a nuclear program.
Their is much proof that Obama is a weak President.
Just the mer fact that he..Obama couldn't control what is coming out of congress is a perfect example.The bill is so loaded with so much pork it ain't funny.When you cant get one moderate Republican to vote for this bill your weak.
So what are you going to do when they come back for more money.Because this is just not enough.
Brutal day, brutal week, brutal month for the markets, eh? Coming on top of a brutal year. You notice that the main catalyst for the markets each and every day are simply the words coming out of press conferences in Washington, DC?
I’m going to repeat this — It’s the magnitude of both the dollars and the magnitude of the disruption of the rule of law that this new political paradigm we’ve entered that really has the markets worried. Trillions of dollars of capital that used to work its way through the system chasing profits will now be chasing politics. In case you were wondering, profits — not politics — make stocks go up.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Originally posted by frodus Their is much proof that Obama is a weak President. Just the mer fact that he..Obama couldn't control what is coming out of congress is a perfect example.The bill is so loaded with so much pork it ain't funny.When you cant get one moderate Republican to vote for this bill your weak. So what are you going to do when they come back for more money.Because this is just not enough. Brutal day, brutal week, brutal month for the markets, eh? Coming on top of a brutal year. You notice that the main catalyst for the markets each and every day are simply the words coming out of press conferences in Washington, DC? Im going to repeat this Its the magnitude of both the dollars and the magnitude of the disruption of the rule of law that this new political paradigm weve entered that really has the markets worried. Trillions of dollars of capital that used to work its way through the system chasing profits will now be chasing politics. In case you were wondering, profits not politics make stocks go up.
It's just so sad in this day and age, with all America is facing right now.. 3.2 million lost last year. 598,000 jobs lost in January etc... that there are people who are rooting for Obama to fail less than one month in office. Simply because he's not "their" guy.
Forget jobs... He wants terrorists to be free so they can attack us again.
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The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing.
The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba.
The military charges against suspected Al Qaeda bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay.
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being.
"It was her decision, but it reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several reviews of our operations down at Guantanamo," Morrell said Thursday night.
The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations.
Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kirk Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama.
Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer."
LOL the fear-mongering continues on Faux News I see. The fear pushed onto Americans by the Bush administration was far greater than any amount of fear created by the terrorists/evildoers. With Bush/Cheney gone fear tactics will continue to fizz and disappear as Americans start waking up to reality.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
begin quote The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing. The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba. The military charges against suspected Al Qaeda bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being. "It was her decision, but it reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several reviews of our operations down at Guantanamo," Morrell said Thursday night. The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations. Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kirk Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama. Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer." end quote.
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
military sources report that Tehran is preparing to send a number of arms vessels to break the blockade on Gaza, encouraged by the failure of the weak " US " navies to confiscate the arms aboard the Cypriot-flagged arms ships now docked at Limassol.
The Iranians calculate that while not all the ships may get through the Israeli naval blockade, one would suffice. Our sources report that some are already on the way. They are expected to enter the Gulf of Suez and waters opposite Gaza over the weekend and try to drop their cargoes of weapons containers off shore. Israeli warships and spy planes are tracking them.
At a special conference Thursday, Feb. 5, prime minister Olmert, foreign minister Tzipi Livni and the defense minister agreed to Iranian arms ships must be prevented from unloading its cargo, even at the cost of a marine clash with Iran.
Barak also disclosed that the Cypriot authorities are unloading the Iranian arms ship Monchegorsk renamed Iran Hedayt in Limassol harbor having discovered it is in contravention of the UN Security Council sanctions resolution 1747 which bans Iranian arms exports.
military sources disclosed it was carrying at least 10 containers of Iranian rockets and other weapons for rearming Hamas in the Gaza Strip in violation of Israel's terms for accepting a Gaza ceasefire last month. At stake now is the entire international effort to stop the Palestinian Islamists rearming – to which the US, Egypt and European nations are party.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
begin quote The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing. The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba. The military charges against suspected Al Qaeda bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being. "It was her decision, but it reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several reviews of our operations down at Guantanamo," Morrell said Thursday night. The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations. Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kirk Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama. Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer." end quote.
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
Are you shitting me? over 60 of the already released Club Gitmo detainees have already been recaptured as enemy combatants or killed. Seriously?
I think the better question is WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT REALITY SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU DENY IT?
I will make a deal with you... if no more club gitmo guys attack us in ONE YEAR, i'll come on and announce my apology for fear and hate mongering as you libs put it. BUT IF I"M RIGHT? What it's gonna take for you to get a clue about life?
begin quote The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing. The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba. The military charges against suspected Al Qaeda bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being. "It was her decision, but it reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several reviews of our operations down at Guantanamo," Morrell said Thursday night. The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations. Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kirk Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama. Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer." end quote.
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
Are you shitting me? over 60 of the already released Club Gitmo detainees have already been recaptured as enemy combatants or killed. Seriously?
I think the better question is WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT REALITY SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU DENY IT?
I will make a deal with you... if no more club gitmo guys attack us in ONE YEAR, i'll come on and announce my apology for fear and hate mongering as you libs put it. BUT IF I"M RIGHT? What it's gonna take for you to get a clue about life?
You have any proof to back that one up? And, if it's another Fraud News... err... Fox News.. link, then I won't accept that as proof. A more neutral site besides Fox news would be appreciated.
Again, all I'm seeing from you is more ultra-conservative paranoia BS.
begin quote The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing. The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba. The military charges against suspected Al Qaeda bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being. "It was her decision, but it reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several reviews of our operations down at Guantanamo," Morrell said Thursday night. The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations. Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kirk Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama. Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer." end quote.
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
Are you shitting me? over 60 of the already released Club Gitmo detainees have already been recaptured as enemy combatants or killed. Seriously?
I think the better question is WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT REALITY SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU DENY IT?
I will make a deal with you... if no more club gitmo guys attack us in ONE YEAR, i'll come on and announce my apology for fear and hate mongering as you libs put it. BUT IF I"M RIGHT? What it's gonna take for you to get a clue about life?
You have any proof to back that one up? And, if it's another Fraud News... err... Fox News.. link, then I won't accept that as proof. A more neutral site besides Fox news would be appreciated.
Again, all I'm seeing from you is more ultra-conservative paranoia BS.
I'll make a deal with ya... If I provide you a link that's NOT fox news, will you STFU? and eat your humble pie?
"The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight."
Oh forgot to mention... CNN and the NYT never reported this, do you know why? Because they don't want to make Obama look weak. Guess those libs can't win by being honest eh?
"The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight." Finally, one story that is actually written during Obama's administration. Great... except the story never says when all these detainees were transferred. Oh, wait... it does... "Al-Shiri was transferred from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia in 2007, the US counter-terrorism official said." Wait... 2007... that was during Bush's administration. Therefore, if this transferee was not even in Guantanamo during Obama's decision to "close" Guantanamo, then these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" release dates are in serious question. Nowhere in that piece states when these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" were released. And, if you were trying to use the previous articles to establish a timeline of these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" release dates, then, as I have shown, they were during the Bush administration. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4230850/Released-Guantnamo-Bay-detainees-return-to-terrorism.html And, again, another story that wasn't written during Obama's administration. And, again, trying to blame Obama for Bush's transgressions. "He said the Pentagon now believes that, as of the end of December, 61 former Guantánamo detainees have returned to the fight, up from 37 the last time the Pentagon provided an estimate, which was in March 2008." At the end of December.......... wait... Obama wasn't officially sworn in till the 20th of January. Therefore.... omg.... this was Bush administration's fault. How many links you need to eat your words? Well, considering all you posted was nothing but piss-poor attempts at trying to blame something that Bush's administration did on President Obama, I'll have to eat nothing. But, apparently you're eating your foot right about now. Oh forgot to mention... CNN and the NYT never reported this, do you know why? Because they don't want to make Obama look weak. Guess those libs can't win by being honest eh? I never claimed I listened nor watched any of those. You were assuming that I did. And, the reason they probably didn't was because it was all due to the Bush administration, not President Obama's doing. Therefore your Ultra-Conservative paranoia BS still stands as that.
Oh... and please do as you told me to do, and "STFU" and "eat your humble pie"... Thanks.
I'm a conservative, but I don't really have a problem with him talking to Iran. Could you gents explain the main problem you have with it?
NO. ALL THEY SEE IS US BLINKING. ALL THEY WANT IS YOU AND ME DEAD. PERIOD.
This is where your wrong so very wrong and one of the main reasons your party is in the toilet. They want us to be smart fair leaders of the world because they fear Russia and China. I hate to be the one to tell you this, (I really do) but you really need to learn to think! Think about things other than your own fear and needs.
The truth is we have many allies in the middle east who want trade and more freedom, but our failure to talk to there leaders is one of the very things that keeps them oppressed and prevents change in the region.
America badly needs conservatives to stop being stupid and step up to the plate. They must learn to lead the nation we have not the one they wish we had. If you continue to act like drunk high school linebackers on steriods your party will lose all credibility. If you think things are bad now wait till we have only liberal leadership in this country. It will be far worse.
"The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight." Finally, one story that is actually written during Obama's administration. Great... except the story never says when all these detainees were transferred. Oh, wait... it does... "Al-Shiri was transferred from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia in 2007, the US counter-terrorism official said." Wait... 2007... that was during Bush's administration. Therefore, if this transferee was not even in Guantanamo during Obama's decision to "close" Guantanamo, then these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" release dates are in serious question. Nowhere in that piece states when these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" were released. And, if you were trying to use the previous articles to establish a timeline of these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" release dates, then, as I have shown, they were during the Bush administration. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4230850/Released-Guantnamo-Bay-detainees-return-to-terrorism.html And, again, another story that wasn't written during Obama's administration. And, again, trying to blame Obama for Bush's transgressions. "He said the Pentagon now believes that, as of the end of December, 61 former Guantánamo detainees have returned to the fight, up from 37 the last time the Pentagon provided an estimate, which was in March 2008." At the end of December.......... wait... Obama wasn't officially sworn in till the 20th of January. Therefore.... omg.... this was Bush administration's fault. How many links you need to eat your words? Well, considering all you posted was nothing but piss-poor attempts at trying to blame something that Bush's administration did on President Obama, I'll have to eat nothing. But, apparently you're eating your foot right about now. Oh forgot to mention... CNN and the NYT never reported this, do you know why? Because they don't want to make Obama look weak. Guess those libs can't win by being honest eh? I never claimed I listened nor watched any of those. You were assuming that I did. And, the reason they probably didn't was because it was all due to the Bush administration, not President Obama's doing. Therefore your Ultra-Conservative paranoia BS still stands as that.
Oh... and please do as you told me to do, and "STFU" and "eat your humble pie"... Thanks.
"The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight." Finally, one story that is actually written during Obama's administration. Great... except the story never says when all these detainees were transferred. Oh, wait... it does... "Al-Shiri was transferred from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia in 2007, the US counter-terrorism official said." Wait... 2007... that was during Bush's administration. Therefore, if this transferee was not even in Guantanamo during Obama's decision to "close" Guantanamo, then these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" release dates are in serious question. Nowhere in that piece states when these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" were released. And, if you were trying to use the previous articles to establish a timeline of these "61 former Guantanamo detainees" release dates, then, as I have shown, they were during the Bush administration. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4230850/Released-Guantnamo-Bay-detainees-return-to-terrorism.html And, again, another story that wasn't written during Obama's administration. And, again, trying to blame Obama for Bush's transgressions. "He said the Pentagon now believes that, as of the end of December, 61 former Guantánamo detainees have returned to the fight, up from 37 the last time the Pentagon provided an estimate, which was in March 2008." At the end of December.......... wait... Obama wasn't officially sworn in till the 20th of January. Therefore.... omg.... this was Bush administration's fault. How many links you need to eat your words? Well, considering all you posted was nothing but piss-poor attempts at trying to blame something that Bush's administration did on President Obama, I'll have to eat nothing. But, apparently you're eating your foot right about now. Oh forgot to mention... CNN and the NYT never reported this, do you know why? Because they don't want to make Obama look weak. Guess those libs can't win by being honest eh? I never claimed I listened nor watched any of those. You were assuming that I did. And, the reason they probably didn't was because it was all due to the Bush administration, not President Obama's doing. Therefore your Ultra-Conservative paranoia BS still stands as that.
Oh... and please do as you told me to do, and "STFU" and "eat your humble pie"... Thanks.
saved one for ya. just to prove a point. that you are unwilling to hear reason, or facts. goodbye.
Again:
Was not written while Obama was in office.
"Since 2002, 61 former detainees have committed or are suspected to have committed attacks after being released from the detention camp," Yeah.... 2002. Which I've already established that the "61" number was derived December of 2008. Which, as we all know, was still during Bush's presidency.
No "point" was proven, accept another attempt at trying to blame stuff Bush did on Obama.
Seriously, you need to stop crying/having fits and accept that Obama is now President of the US. Your sad attempts at blaming stuff that Bush did on Obama is really pathetic and transparent. So much in fact, its making your posts look like troll posts.
And, as to your last quip, all the facts show is that YOU are unable to read the dates on these news stories and facts from them. YOU are unable to accept the fact that this was all Bush's doing... not Obama's, yet YOU are trying to blame it all on Obama.
I just have three words for you to end my trouncing of your "argument"... GET.OVER.IT!
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Confronting Confinement, a June 2006 U.S. prison study by the bipartisan Commission on Safety and Abuse in America's Prisons, reports than on any given day more than 2 million people are incarcerated in the United States, and that over the course of a year, 13.5 million spend time in prison or jail. African Americans are imprisoned at a rate roughly seven times higher than whites, and Hispanics at a rate three times higher than whites. Within three years of their release, 67% of former prisoners are rearrested and 52% are re-incarcerated, a recidivism rate that calls into question the effectiveness of America's corrections system, which costs taxpayers $60 billion a year. Violence, overcrowding, poor medical and mental health care, and numerous other failings plague America's 5,000 prisons and jails. The study indicates that even small improvements in medical care could significantly reduce recidivism. What happens inside jails and prisons does not stay inside jails and prisons, the commission concludes, since 95% of inmates are eventually released back into society, ill-equipped to lead productive lives. Given the dramatic rise in incarceration over the past decade, public safety is threatened unless the corrections system does in fact correct rather than simply punish. For a copy of the complete report and the commission's recommendations for reform, see www.prisoncommission.org/report.asp.
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
You people are fools for believing that we can get along peacefully with all of these eastern nations. I know if this statement is not true I am condemning myself to hell by my own God but so be it.
The eastern people are more ficle than cats. Where as a house cat would probably devour you if it were to grow to lionistic proportions, some of these middle east countries will always be clawing at our eyes and nipping our ankles even if they are actually mere kittens compared to the gigantic U.S.A.
It doesn't take a genious to figure out that when a person attacks somebody they are no match against that the attacker is either incredibly foolish or bears an immense hatred tward whoever they are attacking.
In time though both our conservitive christian based religions and the eastern ones will be almost completely erradicated. We are in a stalemate until somebody finally comes by with a big stick and knocks both of our feet out from under us. With that said, it is very hard to be aware of this new threat whenever it will emerge, because as soon as we loose focus on our adversary they attack us as seen throughout history. Every chance an eastern nation has had to attack the U.S.A. when it's back was turned they have taken.
We do them favors from time to time, and they always repay us with a knife in the back.
saved one for ya. just to prove a point. that you are unwilling to hear reason, or facts. goodbye.
From your link above:
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Confronting Confinement, a June 2006 U.S. prison study by the bipartisan Commission on Safety and Abuse in America's Prisons, reports than on any given day more than 2 million people are incarcerated in the United States, and that over the course of a year, 13.5 million spend time in prison or jail. African Americans are imprisoned at a rate roughly seven times higher than whites, and Hispanics at a rate three times higher than whites. Within three years of their release, 67% of former prisoners are rearrested and 52% are re-incarcerated, a recidivism rate that calls into question the effectiveness of America's corrections system, which costs taxpayers $60 billion a year. Violence, overcrowding, poor medical and mental health care, and numerous other failings plague America's 5,000 prisons and jails. The study indicates that even small improvements in medical care could significantly reduce recidivism. “What happens inside jails and prisons does not stay inside jails and prisons,” the commission concludes, since 95% of inmates are eventually released back into society, ill-equipped to lead productive lives. Given the dramatic rise in incarceration over the past decade, public safety is threatened unless the corrections system does in fact “correct” rather than simply punish. For a copy of the complete report and the commission's recommendations for reform, see www.prisoncommission.org/report.asp.
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
But you keep right on linking..
Yeah... Faxxer's attempts on blaming Obama for Bush's transgressions are becoming very transparent and pathetic. However, I also expect him to try and post even more links to further "embolden" his argument, thus embarrassing himself even further.
saved one for ya. just to prove a point. that you are unwilling to hear reason, or facts. goodbye.
From your link above:
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Confronting Confinement, a June 2006 U.S. prison study by the bipartisan Commission on Safety and Abuse in America's Prisons, reports than on any given day more than 2 million people are incarcerated in the United States, and that over the course of a year, 13.5 million spend time in prison or jail. African Americans are imprisoned at a rate roughly seven times higher than whites, and Hispanics at a rate three times higher than whites. Within three years of their release, 67% of former prisoners are rearrested and 52% are re-incarcerated, a recidivism rate that calls into question the effectiveness of America's corrections system, which costs taxpayers $60 billion a year. Violence, overcrowding, poor medical and mental health care, and numerous other failings plague America's 5,000 prisons and jails. The study indicates that even small improvements in medical care could significantly reduce recidivism. “What happens inside jails and prisons does not stay inside jails and prisons,” the commission concludes, since 95% of inmates are eventually released back into society, ill-equipped to lead productive lives. Given the dramatic rise in incarceration over the past decade, public safety is threatened unless the corrections system does in fact “correct” rather than simply punish. For a copy of the complete report and the commission's recommendations for reform, see www.prisoncommission.org/report.asp.
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
But you keep right on linking..
Yeah... Faxxer's attempts on blaming Obama for Bush's transgressions are becoming very transparent and pathetic. However, I also expect him to try and post even more links to further "embolden" his argument, thus embarrassing himself even further.
I love how you think they went back to being terrorists simply because Bush was in office. The age of the article is irrelevant, much like anything you both say.
However, this only proves that you think Obama is a magical fixit man ... that simply he took office is sufficient for all those people to love us now. And you think I'm drinking cool aid? Both of you are the pure embodiment of liberal mindsets. That you can somehow be liked simply by the nature of your leftist way of life. ....YOU two will be the first ones to go in a world where freedom is no longer protected. It's such a true waste and shame that you can't see the truth of it. Nobody will be there to give you comfort if that day comes I assure you.
Obama is a weak and inexperienced man. period. His actions, attitudes, and press conferences prove that the conservatives were right...the point of my thread to begin with...all along. You are pissed that you no longer can blam Bush and so you are going to stay with your...lacking... man as the ship starts to sink.
You voted for change, and all you got was a buttload of Clinton cronyism in the whitehouse. the ONLY single change is Obama is in place of Clinton. and from the next man down on...it's the same old bullshit that fails over and over. It was the democrat controlled congress that had a lower approval rating than any in history while Bush was in office, it was the democrat controlled congress at that SAME TIME that controlled spending. But no, you somehow want to ignore your fallible thinking and blame Bush...makes you feel better about yourself I think. Hell I know I feel better knowing I was right about Obama and his lacking character.
Palin was the better choice. It pains a lib to even consider that I know, but I'll do the hard work for you guys and keep on pointing out the facts.
begin quote The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing.........
The USS Cole was a military target attacked by a group that considers themselves at war with the United States. What are the criminal charges?
Since when are enemy combatants charged with crimes for attacking a military target?
begin quote The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing.........
The USS Cole was a military target attacked by a group that considers themselves at war with the United States. What are the criminal charges?
Since when are enemy combatants charged with crimes for attacking a military target?
The total lack of defense of freedom, liberty, and the rule of law in this thread is saddening. It's as if some feel these things have no value, and that good men haven't fought and died to achieve them, and they should just be thrown away because a very few choose to pick up a rifle and yell really loud. Shameful!
saved one for ya. just to prove a point. that you are unwilling to hear reason, or facts. goodbye.
From your link above:
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Confronting Confinement, a June 2006 U.S. prison study by the bipartisan Commission on Safety and Abuse in America's Prisons, reports than on any given day more than 2 million people are incarcerated in the United States, and that over the course of a year, 13.5 million spend time in prison or jail. African Americans are imprisoned at a rate roughly seven times higher than whites, and Hispanics at a rate three times higher than whites. Within three years of their release, 67% of former prisoners are rearrested and 52% are re-incarcerated, a recidivism rate that calls into question the effectiveness of America's corrections system, which costs taxpayers $60 billion a year. Violence, overcrowding, poor medical and mental health care, and numerous other failings plague America's 5,000 prisons and jails. The study indicates that even small improvements in medical care could significantly reduce recidivism. “What happens inside jails and prisons does not stay inside jails and prisons,” the commission concludes, since 95% of inmates are eventually released back into society, ill-equipped to lead productive lives. Given the dramatic rise in incarceration over the past decade, public safety is threatened unless the corrections system does in fact “correct” rather than simply punish. For a copy of the complete report and the commission's recommendations for reform, see www.prisoncommission.org/report.asp.
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
But you keep right on linking..
Yeah... Faxxer's attempts on blaming Obama for Bush's transgressions are becoming very transparent and pathetic. However, I also expect him to try and post even more links to further "embolden" his argument, thus embarrassing himself even further.
I love how you think they went back to being terrorists simply because Bush was in office. The age of the article is irrelevant, much like anything you both say.
I love how you think that it's Obama's fault all this is happening when your "61 Guantanamo detainees" statistic happened when Bush was in office. Despite what you believe, the age of the articles are extremely relevant. Apparently Ultra-Conservatives have become both blind, deaf, and dumb.
However, this only proves that you think Obama is a magical fixit man ... that simply he took office is sufficient for all those people to love us now. And you think I'm drinking cool aid? Both of you are the pure embodiment of liberal mindsets. That you can somehow be liked simply by the nature of your leftist way of life. ....YOU two will be the first ones to go in a world where freedom is no longer protected. It's such a true waste and shame that you can't see the truth of it. Nobody will be there to give you comfort if that day comes I assure you.
Nice assumption there. I never said that I believed "Obama is a magical fixit man". Please remove your Ultra-Conservative shades before reading. It's apparent that they are screwing up your eye sight. Oh... and stop with the Ultra-Conservative fear mongering paranoia... it's getting really old.
Obama is a weak and inexperienced man. period. His actions, attitudes, and press conferences prove that the conservatives were right...the point of my thread to begin with...all along. You are pissed that you no longer can blam Bush and so you are going to stay with your...lacking... man as the ship starts to sink.
All I'm hearing is, "waaa... Obama won! I'm gonna call him names now to show I'm a big boy!" Pointless BS.
You voted for change, and all you got was a buttload of Clinton cronyism in the whitehouse. the ONLY single change is Obama is in place of Clinton. and from the next man down on...it's the same old bullshit that fails over and over. It was the democrat controlled congress that had a lower approval rating than any in history while Bush was in office, it was the democrat controlled congress at that SAME TIME that controlled spending. But no, you somehow want to ignore your fallible thinking and blame Bush...makes you feel better about yourself I think. Hell I know I feel better knowing I was right about Obama and his lacking character.
And it was Bush that had, if not the worst then close to it, approval rating in the history of all US presidents. If the Democratically-controlled Congress was so bad, then why do we now have a US majority Congress, House, AND President? Oh... that's right... because the PEOPLE voted them in. Hmm... the people must have not hated them that much then.
Ooooh... so, you know that you were "right about Obama and his lacking character" just from three weeks of him being in office. Give me a frackin' break! Again, you're spewing forth pointless BS.
Palin was the better choice. It pains a lib to even consider that I know, but I'll do the hard work for you guys and keep on pointing out the facts.
Palin was a better choice? You could've fooled me there. Bridge to nowhere... no foreign experience... no experience in federal politics... yeah, she sounds soo much better to me. /sarcasm Anyways, if you weren't paying attention to the Presidential elections, it was Obama vs. McCain (McBush) rather than Obama vs. Palin.
Oh, and if you keep pointing out YOUR "facts". It's fun to disprove them as just more Ultra-Conservative fear mongering paranoia.
The conservatives all shouted in unison that Obama's promise to talk to Iran directly with no preconceptions was a show of weakness... Now the horse speaks... "US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency. "Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
I'd like to respond with a personal opinion only. People IMO either see the tree or the forest but not usually both. AND worse, sometimes deny the existence of the tree, saying that the forest is all there is. So my opinion is based on the BIG picture perspective, in its entirety, but more simplified.
I must agree that IMO, since Obama began talks with Iran almost immediately upon taking office, that Iran, and probably some other countries as well, will now view us as weak. It is clear that Iran already does. I talked with a friend who couldn't see the logic in that, and I finally figured out that it was because she was using American ideas/thoughts/culture as her basis. Iran is a country where throwing a shoe at someone is the highest insult. In America, we laugh at that and don't feel insulted in the least. You see how BIG a difference that is? Unless you understand the Iranian culture, you could never know how something like simply talking to a man, could be held in such contempt. Obama thinks he can "reason" or "negotiate". In their culture, that is seen as weakness. Obama should take the time to understand their culture and then decide on a course of action. I suppose he thought he could fix everything his first two weeks in office. But I digress.....
The only reason we have not had another world war is for one reason only: the countries of the world, for decades now, have had roughly less or the same amount of weapons as the US. I Intend this to mean that any attempt to invade up to this point would have either resulted in their demise or a stalemate. That, however, is changing. To say that some countries of the world are not our enemies, when it is abundantly clear that they are indeed, is utter folly. You have only to open a history book and see that people have been invading and killing each other for thousands of years. Why would anyone think that has changed? Today's "friendly" textbooks like to refer to the conquering of other peoples as "human migration." One culture comes in and completely replaces the other. Make no mistake; that is NOT migration...that is conquering. The Roman Empire, the Huns, Saxons, Mongols, Franks, the Moors....the list is far long. This was NOT migration. The Mongols even kept records of what they were doing and when, and it was systemic invading and conquering. PERIOD Again, I digress.....
Now, to be clear, I am not saying that we should start wars or invade other countries because we are all living in fear and paranoid we will be attacked. BUT if our leaders see a very real threat, I EXPECT them to do WHATEVER it takes to stop that threat. Don't you think that if the European countries had found out the Mongols were going to invade...that it was just a matter of time...or been told by Mongols that they wanted "to see them all dead", that those countries wouldn't have done whatever they could to stop it, to protect themselves....EVEN if that included attacking them first? OF COURSE they would have!
The bottom line: I really do WANT Obama to succeed. I really WANT him to fix our problems....to change everything for the better. Do I believe he can or will do what it takes to accomplish that? No, I do not. He makes decisions, IMO, based on American culture ideology....on logic and reason ....and frankly, IMO, his own ego. That will NOT work with some people, as was clearly shown in his talks with Iran and statements made by Ahmadinejad himself.
As a matter of fact, I believe, that sadly, something very bad is going to happen to us during his presidency because he is not experienced enough for a job of this magnitude.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Truer words have never been spoken.
The conservatives all shouted in unison that Obama's promise to talk to Iran directly with no preconceptions was a show of weakness... Now the horse speaks... "US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency. "Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Truer words have never been spoken.
Thats why we voted the republicans out of office.
There are people in both counties who favor diplomacy.
National policy isn't based cultural norms. It's made by business and politics and it's made out of opportunity and necessity. By abandoning discourse you insure conflict and become the very thing you blame your enemy of being.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
The conservatives all shouted in unison that Obama's promise to talk to Iran directly with no preconceptions was a show of weakness... Now the horse speaks... "US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency. "Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
I'd like to respond with a personal opinion only. People IMO either see the tree or the forest but not usually both. AND worse, sometimes deny the existence of the tree, saying that the forest is all there is. So my opinion is based on the BIG picture perspective, in its entirety, but more simplified.
I must agree that IMO, since Obama began talks with Iran almost immediately upon taking office, that Iran, and probably some other countries as well, will now view us as weak. It is clear that Iran already does. I talked with a friend who couldn't see the logic in that, and I finally figured out that it was because she was using American ideas/thoughts/culture as her basis. Iran is a country where throwing a shoe at someone is the highest insult. In America, we laugh at that and don't feel insulted in the least. You see how BIG a difference that is? Unless you understand the Iranian culture, you could never know how something like simply talking to a man, could be held in such contempt. Obama thinks he can "reason" or "negotiate". In their culture, that is seen as weakness. Obama should take the time to understand their culture and then decide on a course of action. I suppose he thought he could fix everything his first two weeks in office. But I digress.....
The only reason we have not had another world war is for one reason only: the countries of the world, for decades now, have had roughly less or the same amount of weapons as the US. I Intend this to mean that any attempt to invade up to this point would have either resulted in their demise or a stalemate. That, however, is changing. To say that some countries of the world are not our enemies, when it is abundantly clear that they are indeed, is utter folly. You have only to open a history book and see that people have been invading and killing each other for thousands of years. Why would anyone think that has changed? Today's "friendly" textbooks like to refer to the conquering of other peoples as "human migration." One culture comes in and completely replaces the other. Make no mistake; that is NOT migration...that is conquering. The Roman Empire, the Huns, Saxons, Mongols, Franks, the Moors....the list is far long. This was NOT migration. The Mongols even kept records of what they were doing and when, and it was systemic invading and conquering. PERIOD Again, I digress.....
Now, to be clear, I am not saying that we should start wars or invade other countries because we are all living in fear and paranoid we will be attacked. BUT if our leaders see a very real threat, I EXPECT them to do WHATEVER it takes to stop that threat. Don't you think that if the European countries had found out the Mongols were going to invade...that it was just a matter of time...or been told by Mongols that they wanted "to see them all dead", that those countries wouldn't have done whatever they could to stop it, to protect themselves....EVEN if that included attacking them first? OF COURSE they would have!
The bottom line: I really do WANT Obama to succeed. I really WANT him to fix our problems....to change everything for the better. Do I believe he can or will do what it takes to accomplish that? No, I do not. He makes decisions, IMO, based on American culture ideology....on logic and reason ....and frankly, IMO, his own ego. That will NOT work with some people, as was clearly shown in his talks with Iran and statements made by Ahmadinejad himself.
As a matter of fact, I believe, that sadly, something very bad is going to happen to us during his presidency because he is not experienced enough for a job of this magnitude.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Truer words have never been spoken.
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LOL at that.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c33dd74-f2eb-11dd-abe6-0000779fd2ac.html
for you viewing pleasure.
What's the problem there in that link other than his calls that Iran be allowed to keep a nuclear program? He didn't seem like he was frothing at the mouth or a raving lunatic. There were no real "unreasonable" suggestions in that article that couldn't be discussed. And he certainly did not seem as though he was unwilling to talk. So what is your problem with the rest of the article?
Other than the nuclear point, which the whole world knows they won't be allowed to keep by the US and Israel, what's the main problem you see there?
Take the nuclear discussion off the table, because you and I are in agreement: They should not have a nuclear program.
NOW, what else bothers you about Iran?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Their is much proof that Obama is a weak President.
Just the mer fact that he..Obama couldn't control what is coming out of congress is a perfect example.The bill is so loaded with so much pork it ain't funny.When you cant get one moderate Republican to vote for this bill your weak.
So what are you going to do when they come back for more money.Because this is just not enough.
Brutal day, brutal week, brutal month for the markets, eh? Coming on top of a brutal year. You notice that the main catalyst for the markets each and every day are simply the words coming out of press conferences in Washington, DC?
I’m going to repeat this — It’s the magnitude of both the dollars and the magnitude of the disruption of the rule of law that this new political paradigm we’ve entered that really has the markets worried. Trillions of dollars of capital that used to work its way through the system chasing profits will now be chasing politics. In case you were wondering, profits — not politics — make stocks go up.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
It's just so sad in this day and age, with all America is facing right now.. 3.2 million lost last year. 598,000 jobs lost in January etc... that there are people who are rooting for Obama to fail less than one month in office. Simply because he's not "their" guy.
Truly sad.
"TO MICHAEL!"
What is the truely sad thing...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/05/sources-charges-dropped-uss-cole-bombing-suspect/
Forget jobs... He wants terrorists to be free so they can attack us again.
begin quote
The senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing.
The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba.
The military charges against suspected Al Qaeda bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay.
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being.
"It was her decision, but it reflects the fact that the president has issued an executive order which mandates that the military commissions be halted, pending the outcome of several reviews of our operations down at Guantanamo," Morrell said Thursday night.
The ruling also gives the White House time to review the legal cases of all 245 terror suspects held there and decide whether they should be prosecuted in the U.S. or released to other nations.
Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kirk Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama.
Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer."
end quote.
LOL the fear-mongering continues on Faux News I see. The fear pushed onto Americans by the Bush administration was far greater than any amount of fear created by the terrorists/evildoers. With Bush/Cheney gone fear tactics will continue to fizz and disappear as Americans start waking up to reality.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
Multiplayer Games!
military sources report that Tehran is preparing to send a number of arms vessels to break the blockade on Gaza, encouraged by the failure of the weak " US " navies to confiscate the arms aboard the Cypriot-flagged arms ships now docked at Limassol.
The Iranians calculate that while not all the ships may get through the Israeli naval blockade, one would suffice. Our sources report that some are already on the way. They are expected to enter the Gulf of Suez and waters opposite Gaza over the weekend and try to drop their cargoes of weapons containers off shore. Israeli warships and spy planes are tracking them.
At a special conference Thursday, Feb. 5, prime minister Olmert, foreign minister Tzipi Livni and the defense minister agreed to Iranian arms ships must be prevented from unloading its cargo, even at the cost of a marine clash with Iran.
Barak also disclosed that the Cypriot authorities are unloading the Iranian arms ship Monchegorsk renamed Iran Hedayt in Limassol harbor having discovered it is in contravention of the UN Security Council sanctions resolution 1747 which bans Iranian arms exports.
military sources disclosed it was carrying at least 10 containers of Iranian rockets and other weapons for rearming Hamas in the Gaza Strip in violation of Israel's terms for accepting a Gaza ceasefire last month. At stake now is the entire international effort to stop the Palestinian Islamists rearming – to which the US, Egypt and European nations are party.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
Are you shitting me? over 60 of the already released Club Gitmo detainees have already been recaptured as enemy combatants or killed. Seriously?
I think the better question is WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT REALITY SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU DENY IT?
I will make a deal with you... if no more club gitmo guys attack us in ONE YEAR, i'll come on and announce my apology for fear and hate mongering as you libs put it. BUT IF I"M RIGHT? What it's gonna take for you to get a clue about life?
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
Are you shitting me? over 60 of the already released Club Gitmo detainees have already been recaptured as enemy combatants or killed. Seriously?
I think the better question is WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT REALITY SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU DENY IT?
I will make a deal with you... if no more club gitmo guys attack us in ONE YEAR, i'll come on and announce my apology for fear and hate mongering as you libs put it. BUT IF I"M RIGHT? What it's gonna take for you to get a clue about life?
You have any proof to back that one up? And, if it's another Fraud News... err... Fox News.. link, then I won't accept that as proof. A more neutral site besides Fox news would be appreciated.
Again, all I'm seeing from you is more ultra-conservative paranoia BS.
Yep that's what he believes. He hates America and wants to see them all free so they can attack again. He probably gets turned on by the thought of another attack. In fact, he's probably personally training them.
This is what you believe, isn't it? In what way does that article support your position?
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
Are you shitting me? over 60 of the already released Club Gitmo detainees have already been recaptured as enemy combatants or killed. Seriously?
I think the better question is WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT REALITY SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU DENY IT?
I will make a deal with you... if no more club gitmo guys attack us in ONE YEAR, i'll come on and announce my apology for fear and hate mongering as you libs put it. BUT IF I"M RIGHT? What it's gonna take for you to get a clue about life?
You have any proof to back that one up? And, if it's another Fraud News... err... Fox News.. link, then I won't accept that as proof. A more neutral site besides Fox news would be appreciated.
Again, all I'm seeing from you is more ultra-conservative paranoia BS.
I'll make a deal with ya... If I provide you a link that's NOT fox news, will you STFU? and eat your humble pie?
Some Ultra conservative BS for ya...
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/05/who-could-have-seen-this-coming-former.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090126051507AApJK1f
http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11274980.html
http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2008/20080509140407.aspx
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hZfIcWnHqBz4kQR90lC_pXaHeW4Q
This one says
"The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4230850/Released-Guantnamo-Bay-detainees-return-to-terrorism.html
How many links you need to eat your words?
Oh forgot to mention... CNN and the NYT never reported this, do you know why? Because they don't want to make Obama look weak. Guess those libs can't win by being honest eh?
Oh... and please do as you told me to do, and "STFU" and "eat your humble pie"... Thanks.
NO. ALL THEY SEE IS US BLINKING. ALL THEY WANT IS YOU AND ME DEAD. PERIOD.
This is where your wrong so very wrong and one of the main reasons your party is in the toilet. They want us to be smart fair leaders of the world because they fear Russia and China. I hate to be the one to tell you this, (I really do) but you really need to learn to think! Think about things other than your own fear and needs.
The truth is we have many allies in the middle east who want trade and more freedom, but our failure to talk to there leaders is one of the very things that keeps them oppressed and prevents change in the region.
America badly needs conservatives to stop being stupid and step up to the plate. They must learn to lead the nation we have not the one they wish we had. If you continue to act like drunk high school linebackers on steriods your party will lose all credibility. If you think things are bad now wait till we have only liberal leadership in this country. It will be far worse.
Oh... and please do as you told me to do, and "STFU" and "eat your humble pie"... Thanks.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/14/gitmo.detainees/
saved one for ya. just to prove a point. that you are unwilling to hear reason, or facts. goodbye.
Oh... and please do as you told me to do, and "STFU" and "eat your humble pie"... Thanks.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/14/gitmo.detainees/
saved one for ya. just to prove a point. that you are unwilling to hear reason, or facts. goodbye.
Again:
Seriously, you need to stop crying/having fits and accept that Obama is now President of the US. Your sad attempts at blaming stuff that Bush did on Obama is really pathetic and transparent. So much in fact, its making your posts look like troll posts.
And, as to your last quip, all the facts show is that YOU are unable to read the dates on these news stories and facts from them. YOU are unable to accept the fact that this was all Bush's doing... not Obama's, yet YOU are trying to blame it all on Obama.
I just have three words for you to end my trouncing of your "argument"... GET.OVER.IT!
From your link above:
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
But you keep right on linking..
"TO MICHAEL!"
You people are fools for believing that we can get along peacefully with all of these eastern nations. I know if this statement is not true I am condemning myself to hell by my own God but so be it.
The eastern people are more ficle than cats. Where as a house cat would probably devour you if it were to grow to lionistic proportions, some of these middle east countries will always be clawing at our eyes and nipping our ankles even if they are actually mere kittens compared to the gigantic U.S.A.
It doesn't take a genious to figure out that when a person attacks somebody they are no match against that the attacker is either incredibly foolish or bears an immense hatred tward whoever they are attacking.
In time though both our conservitive christian based religions and the eastern ones will be almost completely erradicated. We are in a stalemate until somebody finally comes by with a big stick and knocks both of our feet out from under us. With that said, it is very hard to be aware of this new threat whenever it will emerge, because as soon as we loose focus on our adversary they attack us as seen throughout history. Every chance an eastern nation has had to attack the U.S.A. when it's back was turned they have taken.
We do them favors from time to time, and they always repay us with a knife in the back.
From your link above:
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
But you keep right on linking..
Yeah... Faxxer's attempts on blaming Obama for Bush's transgressions are becoming very transparent and pathetic. However, I also expect him to try and post even more links to further "embolden" his argument, thus embarrassing himself even further.
From your link above:
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
But you keep right on linking..
Yeah... Faxxer's attempts on blaming Obama for Bush's transgressions are becoming very transparent and pathetic. However, I also expect him to try and post even more links to further "embolden" his argument, thus embarrassing himself even further.
I love how you think they went back to being terrorists simply because Bush was in office. The age of the article is irrelevant, much like anything you both say.
However, this only proves that you think Obama is a magical fixit man ... that simply he took office is sufficient for all those people to love us now. And you think I'm drinking cool aid? Both of you are the pure embodiment of liberal mindsets. That you can somehow be liked simply by the nature of your leftist way of life. ....YOU two will be the first ones to go in a world where freedom is no longer protected. It's such a true waste and shame that you can't see the truth of it. Nobody will be there to give you comfort if that day comes I assure you.
Obama is a weak and inexperienced man. period. His actions, attitudes, and press conferences prove that the conservatives were right...the point of my thread to begin with...all along. You are pissed that you no longer can blam Bush and so you are going to stay with your...lacking... man as the ship starts to sink.
You voted for change, and all you got was a buttload of Clinton cronyism in the whitehouse. the ONLY single change is Obama is in place of Clinton. and from the next man down on...it's the same old bullshit that fails over and over. It was the democrat controlled congress that had a lower approval rating than any in history while Bush was in office, it was the democrat controlled congress at that SAME TIME that controlled spending. But no, you somehow want to ignore your fallible thinking and blame Bush...makes you feel better about yourself I think. Hell I know I feel better knowing I was right about Obama and his lacking character.
Palin was the better choice. It pains a lib to even consider that I know, but I'll do the hard work for you guys and keep on pointing out the facts.
The USS Cole was a military target attacked by a group that considers themselves at war with the United States. What are the criminal charges?
Since when are enemy combatants charged with crimes for attacking a military target?
The USS Cole was a military target attacked by a group that considers themselves at war with the United States. What are the criminal charges?
Since when are enemy combatants charged with crimes for attacking a military target?
The total lack of defense of freedom, liberty, and the rule of law in this thread is saddening. It's as if some feel these things have no value, and that good men haven't fought and died to achieve them, and they should just be thrown away because a very few choose to pick up a rifle and yell really loud. Shameful!
From your link above:
"Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held."
"According to the statistics, of the 61 former detainees that are believed to have returned to fighting, 18 have been officially confirmed while 43 are suspected, Morrell said.
The 18 were confirmed through intelligence, photographs, fingerprints and other information, Morrell said.
Of the 43 other detainees suspected of taking part in terrorist attacks, only "plausible reporting" on their activities indicated some kind of involvement, according to Morrell."
Are you SERIOUSLY tripping because less than 4% (four percent) of the total detainees went back to resume terrorist activities?
Dude, you'd have a better chance, statistically speaking, to be killed by the armed robber, rapist, serial murderer, or gang member in your town than you would be killed by some dusty terrorist. You DO realize that, don't you? You worry about a handful of guys overseas, when around you everyday, you are in peril?
You really need to stop posting links that you don't read throughly and think rationally and logically about. Playing with links is fun, but unless you read them right and figure out what they really say, isn't worth the time. You just posted like 4 or 5 links before that showed BUSH was in charge during the releasings, but you keep blaming Obama when it was Bush's signature.
But you keep right on linking..
Yeah... Faxxer's attempts on blaming Obama for Bush's transgressions are becoming very transparent and pathetic. However, I also expect him to try and post even more links to further "embolden" his argument, thus embarrassing himself even further.
I love how you think they went back to being terrorists simply because Bush was in office. The age of the article is irrelevant, much like anything you both say.
I love how you think that it's Obama's fault all this is happening when your "61 Guantanamo detainees" statistic happened when Bush was in office. Despite what you believe, the age of the articles are extremely relevant. Apparently Ultra-Conservatives have become both blind, deaf, and dumb.
However, this only proves that you think Obama is a magical fixit man ... that simply he took office is sufficient for all those people to love us now. And you think I'm drinking cool aid? Both of you are the pure embodiment of liberal mindsets. That you can somehow be liked simply by the nature of your leftist way of life. ....YOU two will be the first ones to go in a world where freedom is no longer protected. It's such a true waste and shame that you can't see the truth of it. Nobody will be there to give you comfort if that day comes I assure you.
Nice assumption there. I never said that I believed "Obama is a magical fixit man". Please remove your Ultra-Conservative shades before reading. It's apparent that they are screwing up your eye sight. Oh... and stop with the Ultra-Conservative fear mongering paranoia... it's getting really old.
Obama is a weak and inexperienced man. period. His actions, attitudes, and press conferences prove that the conservatives were right...the point of my thread to begin with...all along. You are pissed that you no longer can blam Bush and so you are going to stay with your...lacking... man as the ship starts to sink.
All I'm hearing is, "waaa... Obama won! I'm gonna call him names now to show I'm a big boy!" Pointless BS.
You voted for change, and all you got was a buttload of Clinton cronyism in the whitehouse. the ONLY single change is Obama is in place of Clinton. and from the next man down on...it's the same old bullshit that fails over and over. It was the democrat controlled congress that had a lower approval rating than any in history while Bush was in office, it was the democrat controlled congress at that SAME TIME that controlled spending. But no, you somehow want to ignore your fallible thinking and blame Bush...makes you feel better about yourself I think. Hell I know I feel better knowing I was right about Obama and his lacking character.
And it was Bush that had, if not the worst then close to it, approval rating in the history of all US presidents. If the Democratically-controlled Congress was so bad, then why do we now have a US majority Congress, House, AND President? Oh... that's right... because the PEOPLE voted them in. Hmm... the people must have not hated them that much then.
Ooooh... so, you know that you were "right about Obama and his lacking character" just from three weeks of him being in office. Give me a frackin' break! Again, you're spewing forth pointless BS.
Palin was the better choice. It pains a lib to even consider that I know, but I'll do the hard work for you guys and keep on pointing out the facts.
Palin was a better choice? You could've fooled me there. Bridge to nowhere... no foreign experience... no experience in federal politics... yeah, she sounds soo much better to me.
/sarcasm Anyways, if you weren't paying attention to the Presidential elections, it was Obama vs. McCain (McBush) rather than Obama vs. Palin.
Oh, and if you keep pointing out YOUR "facts". It's fun to disprove them as just more Ultra-Conservative fear mongering paranoia.
I'd like to respond with a personal opinion only. People IMO either see the tree or the forest but not usually both. AND worse, sometimes deny the existence of the tree, saying that the forest is all there is. So my opinion is based on the BIG picture perspective, in its entirety, but more simplified.
I must agree that IMO, since Obama began talks with Iran almost immediately upon taking office, that Iran, and probably some other countries as well, will now view us as weak. It is clear that Iran already does. I talked with a friend who couldn't see the logic in that, and I finally figured out that it was because she was using American ideas/thoughts/culture as her basis. Iran is a country where throwing a shoe at someone is the highest insult. In America, we laugh at that and don't feel insulted in the least. You see how BIG a difference that is? Unless you understand the Iranian culture, you could never know how something like simply talking to a man, could be held in such contempt. Obama thinks he can "reason" or "negotiate". In their culture, that is seen as weakness. Obama should take the time to understand their culture and then decide on a course of action. I suppose he thought he could fix everything his first two weeks in office. But I digress.....
The only reason we have not had another world war is for one reason only: the countries of the world, for decades now, have had roughly less or the same amount of weapons as the US. I Intend this to mean that any attempt to invade up to this point would have either resulted in their demise or a stalemate. That, however, is changing. To say that some countries of the world are not our enemies, when it is abundantly clear that they are indeed, is utter folly. You have only to open a history book and see that people have been invading and killing each other for thousands of years. Why would anyone think that has changed? Today's "friendly" textbooks like to refer to the conquering of other peoples as "human migration." One culture comes in and completely replaces the other. Make no mistake; that is NOT migration...that is conquering. The Roman Empire, the Huns, Saxons, Mongols, Franks, the Moors....the list is far long. This was NOT migration. The Mongols even kept records of what they were doing and when, and it was systemic invading and conquering. PERIOD Again, I digress.....
Now, to be clear, I am not saying that we should start wars or invade other countries because we are all living in fear and paranoid we will be attacked. BUT if our leaders see a very real threat, I EXPECT them to do WHATEVER it takes to stop that threat. Don't you think that if the European countries had found out the Mongols were going to invade...that it was just a matter of time...or been told by Mongols that they wanted "to see them all dead", that those countries wouldn't have done whatever they could to stop it, to protect themselves....EVEN if that included attacking them first? OF COURSE they would have!
The bottom line: I really do WANT Obama to succeed. I really WANT him to fix our problems....to change everything for the better. Do I believe he can or will do what it takes to accomplish that? No, I do not. He makes decisions, IMO, based on American culture ideology....on logic and reason ....and frankly, IMO, his own ego. That will NOT work with some people, as was clearly shown in his talks with Iran and statements made by Ahmadinejad himself.
As a matter of fact, I believe, that sadly, something very bad is going to happen to us during his presidency because he is not experienced enough for a job of this magnitude.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Truer words have never been spoken.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Truer words have never been spoken.
Thats why we voted the republicans out of office.
There are people in both counties who favor diplomacy.
National policy isn't based cultural norms. It's made by business and politics and it's made out of opportunity and necessity. By abandoning discourse you insure conflict and become the very thing you blame your enemy of being.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
I'd like to respond with a personal opinion only. People IMO either see the tree or the forest but not usually both. AND worse, sometimes deny the existence of the tree, saying that the forest is all there is. So my opinion is based on the BIG picture perspective, in its entirety, but more simplified.
I must agree that IMO, since Obama began talks with Iran almost immediately upon taking office, that Iran, and probably some other countries as well, will now view us as weak. It is clear that Iran already does. I talked with a friend who couldn't see the logic in that, and I finally figured out that it was because she was using American ideas/thoughts/culture as her basis. Iran is a country where throwing a shoe at someone is the highest insult. In America, we laugh at that and don't feel insulted in the least. You see how BIG a difference that is? Unless you understand the Iranian culture, you could never know how something like simply talking to a man, could be held in such contempt. Obama thinks he can "reason" or "negotiate". In their culture, that is seen as weakness. Obama should take the time to understand their culture and then decide on a course of action. I suppose he thought he could fix everything his first two weeks in office. But I digress.....
The only reason we have not had another world war is for one reason only: the countries of the world, for decades now, have had roughly less or the same amount of weapons as the US. I Intend this to mean that any attempt to invade up to this point would have either resulted in their demise or a stalemate. That, however, is changing. To say that some countries of the world are not our enemies, when it is abundantly clear that they are indeed, is utter folly. You have only to open a history book and see that people have been invading and killing each other for thousands of years. Why would anyone think that has changed? Today's "friendly" textbooks like to refer to the conquering of other peoples as "human migration." One culture comes in and completely replaces the other. Make no mistake; that is NOT migration...that is conquering. The Roman Empire, the Huns, Saxons, Mongols, Franks, the Moors....the list is far long. This was NOT migration. The Mongols even kept records of what they were doing and when, and it was systemic invading and conquering. PERIOD Again, I digress.....
Now, to be clear, I am not saying that we should start wars or invade other countries because we are all living in fear and paranoid we will be attacked. BUT if our leaders see a very real threat, I EXPECT them to do WHATEVER it takes to stop that threat. Don't you think that if the European countries had found out the Mongols were going to invade...that it was just a matter of time...or been told by Mongols that they wanted "to see them all dead", that those countries wouldn't have done whatever they could to stop it, to protect themselves....EVEN if that included attacking them first? OF COURSE they would have!
The bottom line: I really do WANT Obama to succeed. I really WANT him to fix our problems....to change everything for the better. Do I believe he can or will do what it takes to accomplish that? No, I do not. He makes decisions, IMO, based on American culture ideology....on logic and reason ....and frankly, IMO, his own ego. That will NOT work with some people, as was clearly shown in his talks with Iran and statements made by Ahmadinejad himself.
As a matter of fact, I believe, that sadly, something very bad is going to happen to us during his presidency because he is not experienced enough for a job of this magnitude.
Alfred said it best: "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." Truer words have never been spoken.
Well said, Lisa.
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