I think other posters have hit the nail on the head. In-game sex + online game = very bad news. That's not to say that games with adult elements are always bad. I just think you need to stay away from any kind of in-game sex.
You can incorporate _some_ questionable adult elements into a game without outright ruining the community, but this is assuming they work in the world. Adult elements do not work in many fantasy settings, but they do work in something like cyberpunk. Neocron was a good example of this. It was an unabashed cyberpunk game, and they're supposed to be gritty and brutally real. An integral part of any cyberpunk theme is showcasing the willingness human beings sometimes have to exploit each other for profit. So strip clubs are entirely in bounds for a cyberpunk game. However, these things should be _passive fixtures_ of the world: things you can see to be part of the world which don't have actual gameplay based around them. Whenever you actively incorporate any kind of sex-based gameplay, your game crosses a line that invariably poisons the community. You end up with large swaths of the playerbase whose sole purpose is to get off there, and they will ignore the actual "game," if you even have one.
Look at Second Life. Second Life doesn't even endorse sexual content. It just takes a passive stance toward it. Even this passive stance has proven to be too much. Large sections of the game's economy cater solely to "adult entertainment" now, and some of that "adult entertainment" provides very questionable content. The second problem is that it's very difficult to enforce rules regarding what's acceptable and what's not, once you endorse or even tolerate in-game sex.
I'll give you an example. Lets look at WoW. For a while, they were pretty neutral about players snoo-snoo'ing each other. I think it's kinda pointless to cyber, but if two adults want to do it, fine. I think that's more funny than anything else.
However, even in WoW, which is probably among the most sanitized games out there, sexually-speaking, this passivity led to some bad things. You probably remember that controversy about an "adult" guild on a roleplay server. What you may not know is the precise thing which led to this guild's downfall. It was the penchant of their guild leader and his officers to engage in "age play". Age play is when one of the adults pretend to be a different age (often a young child) while cybering. Beyond that, he never even explicitly said that minors were not allowed in his guild, and at least one ended up in there. That kid apparently didn't even lie about his age. He was upfront about it, and they let him in.
So enforcement is a nightmare. This story was news on a lot of tech blogs and tech sites, and it was just one guild out of thousands on WoW. Imagine a game where there were hundreds or thousands of adult-oriented group. How would you police them all? How would you draw the line? A laissez-faire attitude would assuredly lead to things that would give your game a very bad reputation, if not result in it being shut down outright.
The really bad thing is that there would be teens getting on ths game. Then you have to worry about all the pervs that would be able to network and pass child porn and whatever else they want freely. Second Life is full of adult entertainment and such and who knows what else and how far it really goes. To me it is just taking adult entertainment to the wrong level and would probably only lead to even darker and seedier stuff.
There was a news report recently about some kid that tricked his male school mates into sending him pics of themselves nekkid. Then he blackmailed them and forced them to perform sex acts on him. That is why an adult MMORPG would be bad in my opinion.
Plenty of games already have sexual suggestion, and that's good enough. We don't need another "adult" MMO like Conan.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Whatever one might think of such a game in theory, in practice making an "adult" MMORPG would almost certainly consist of adding in a bunch of gratuitious sex and violence. The community such a game would attract would be an unmitigated disaster.
There was a news report recently about some kid that tricked his male school mates into sending him pics of themselves nekkid. Then he blackmailed them and forced them to perform sex acts on him. That is why an adult MMORPG would be bad in my opinion.
I heard another newsreport about some dude who shot alot of other dudes and he had a copy of grand theft auto in his home, so lets ban video games altogether.
NO: Teala, you're doing the work of Jack Thompson here. I hope you can see that. The problem above, is not adult MMO, its a bad kid. The problem isn't the internet (over which I'm guessing the pictures were sent? ) Its a bad kid. Its also some stupid kids doing stupid things (Like sending naked pics to strangers). Finally, its scared kids being pressured into doing something they dont want to. All of the *real* problems above, are treatable. raise the bad kid properly. educate the stupid kids about the internet. parents, take an interest in what your kids are doing. Parents, earn the trust of your kids, so theyll come to you when they are in trouble (like being blackmailed).
yes say take your favorite MMO qualities and add nudity, sex and other adult topics to it.
The community would be overrun by spotty pre-pubescents getting their rocks off about 5 minutes after launch by looking at virtual tits and scantily-clad pixels.
Interesting how easy people make the jump from the "adult" to "porn".
I wouldn't play a game that was centered around pornography and/or cybersex, but a game with more adult topics such as drugs, exploitation and crime .. I wouldn't rule it out.
It's not as though the concepts aren't already in games; they're just sanitised. Drug Dealers as Alchemists .. Serial Killers as PvPers .. Devil Worshippers as Warlocks .. Prostitutes as Night Elf Females.
Would I play an MMO that said "Go whack a guy and get back the coke he stole from me" rather than "Go find a guy and retrieve his pouch of herbs" .. ?
I think it'd be rather refreshing, actually.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
A game like that will firstly be magnet for perferts secondly you will posible have virtual sex with avatar thats handled by another perfert behind his PC no thx.
You eather sexual frustrated or freak playing this kind of games and game prolly promote females as horny sex dolls who you can have sex whole day, degenerates freaks who play this.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
It would be tempting to me to be able to have an erotic encounter now and then within an mmo setting. But I'd prefer it to be an added feature rather than the main focus of the game. Say; the option to have sex with someone with the proper skills (hehe) and animations if there is mutual consent and only in certain secluded areas. Since sex is such a big thing in our human lives it would, in a way, be silly not to have the option in a true, open mmoRPG. But I doubt whether I would like to play a game which is only about sex and not much else.
I would play Age of Conan if it were just a little better, and from my point of view Age of Conan is an adult MMO. It's also rated as one in where I live.
Interesting how easy people make the jump from the "adult" to "porn". I wouldn't play a game that was centered around pornography and/or cybersex, but a game with more adult topics such as drugs, exploitation and crime .. I wouldn't rule it out. It's not as though the concepts aren't already in games; they're just sanitised. Drug Dealers as Alchemists .. Serial Killers as PvPers .. Devil Worshippers as Warlocks .. Prostitutes as Night Elf Females. Would I play an MMO that said "Go whack a guy and get back the coke he stole from me" rather than "Go find a guy and retrieve his pouch of herbs" .. ? I think it'd be rather refreshing, actually.
Then you and me have a lot in common believe it or not. I too, do not mind a true "adult" content driven MMORPG as long as it does not step across the boundry line into the realm of pornography. You know if you and another player wish to do the dirty. Well then the option should be there, but I think it would still need to be implied and not totally going all porno on us. in other words, sorta like a movie. The scene cuts away just before anything is actually performed or something to that nature. I dunno...figure out a way to do cutscenes for such things in MMORPG's. Like if you hire a prostitute or something...you'd get a stats boost, after the deed, but that could also put you in danger - if she is not clean. And it wouldn't really show you and the other doing it...it would just imply that you did it...you know with a cutscene of something. That I am fine with.
As for other things like drug use and killing of others when doing a crime...hey...I'm in. You would really love my dream MMORPG. Seriously...because drugs, crime and mayhem would be a part of it.
Interesting how easy people make the jump from the "adult" to "porn". I wouldn't play a game that was centered around pornography and/or cybersex, but a game with more adult topics such as drugs, exploitation and crime .. I wouldn't rule it out. It's not as though the concepts aren't already in games; they're just sanitised. Drug Dealers as Alchemists .. Serial Killers as PvPers .. Devil Worshippers as Warlocks .. Prostitutes as Night Elf Females. Would I play an MMO that said "Go whack a guy and get back the coke he stole from me" rather than "Go find a guy and retrieve his pouch of herbs" .. ? I think it'd be rather refreshing, actually.
The main problem with something like this is most people cant, or wont, make this distinction.
We have had games with simliar mechanics but didnt promote itself as an adult game. Look at SWG pre-cu. Drug dealing...god yes, I made a killing selling Pixie. Taking assassination missions from your locale Bounty Hunter terminal....yep. Anyway, you get the point. Having those kind of things in worked well for the setting of the game. Theres the thing, the setting. If the setting fits such things, then it would seem to blend more into the gameplay and not be "OMG look, Boobies!" That was my biggest problem with AOC. Never played it, however, it just seemed like they put topless characters in just to advertise they put topless characters in.
and, on a side note, prostitutes as Night Elf Females made me lol.
If it was an adult mmorpg in that everyone playing is at least 18, then maybe I'm interested. If it is adult, meaning porn, then why not just go to second life or MSN?
If you go into a video store asking for adult movies they won't show you to the horror section.
As for an adult game if done right. No.
I don't feel like beating off to some female cyber slut, who in reality is a 45 year old overweight man named Manny from Wisconsin sitting in his wife beater, asking me to perforate his rectum while i call him Susan Sexylegs
Adault..you mean an rpg with only audults 18+? Sure.
You mean adault where it includes sex, where sexual images are unavoidable? No, I wouldn't be able to focus on the game then, and putting sex into everything does not make it audult anyways. With that said I do not mind some "midly" abundant rommance. But I don't want to have to see it allt he time. Maybe have it like sims, you don't engage in it unless you want to and you don't have to be around it all the time.
Strong Language? Probably not. Some games do it well, but more often than not the language really doesn't seem to be part of the way people talk. Like putting damn and F*(K into every other word..that's just lame and hard on the ears. FO3 did a decent job enough to where it was tolerable to me. If a character is angry, then stronger language should be used, but stronger language should not be used to demonstrate how angry that character is. That's something that alot of people dont' understand.
You mean the right to form exclusive clubs and discriminate on a non real life racial level? Sure. I don't mind discimination based on wealth, lazyness, or a persons lack of freely given knowledge *aka school*, or skill level. When people go through the furnace they come out stronger. Likewise I don't mind discrimination ingame based on wealth, knowledge of the game, or whether or not someone is a moocher/leecher/begger, or their level, so long as their not dissed for their level. Beign left out because of your level is perfectly understandable. These kind of things are a part of the world I accept. I do not cry about noone asking me to the dance because i'm 80 pounds over weight, I don't cry about not making the basketball team because I don't put any effort into practice, I don't cry about not getting into the movies this week because my family doesn't make enough money. Discrimination as long as it's not about race is fine in my book.
You mean where the time you spend is always equal to what you get, such as RS when crafting non iron materials? SURE I love this type of thing. Even better yet, RS has real world economy. If the game has crafting it better have no holds back real world player economy.
BoP is the spawn of satan, whenever I see a game with it, I simply refuse to play it. BoE..well now..really still the same bassically. There's no point to BoE because if you die and are full looted, somebody else can't use it but they'll still probably vendor it. There's no point to BoP because it inhibits the economy..er whatever the word is for "stunts".
i want a game where everything is tradable for everything else. I mean legendary rarity weapons should be tradable to somebody in exchange for a level 2 common dagger. People will learn. leave it be.
I don't feel like beating off to some female cyber slut, who in reality is a 45 year old overweight man named Manny from Wisconsin sitting in his wife beater, asking me to perforate his rectum while i call him Susan Sexylegs
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I think other posters have hit the nail on the head. In-game sex + online game = very bad news. That's not to say that games with adult elements are always bad. I just think you need to stay away from any kind of in-game sex.
You can incorporate _some_ questionable adult elements into a game without outright ruining the community, but this is assuming they work in the world. Adult elements do not work in many fantasy settings, but they do work in something like cyberpunk. Neocron was a good example of this. It was an unabashed cyberpunk game, and they're supposed to be gritty and brutally real. An integral part of any cyberpunk theme is showcasing the willingness human beings sometimes have to exploit each other for profit. So strip clubs are entirely in bounds for a cyberpunk game. However, these things should be _passive fixtures_ of the world: things you can see to be part of the world which don't have actual gameplay based around them. Whenever you actively incorporate any kind of sex-based gameplay, your game crosses a line that invariably poisons the community. You end up with large swaths of the playerbase whose sole purpose is to get off there, and they will ignore the actual "game," if you even have one.
Look at Second Life. Second Life doesn't even endorse sexual content. It just takes a passive stance toward it. Even this passive stance has proven to be too much. Large sections of the game's economy cater solely to "adult entertainment" now, and some of that "adult entertainment" provides very questionable content. The second problem is that it's very difficult to enforce rules regarding what's acceptable and what's not, once you endorse or even tolerate in-game sex.
I'll give you an example. Lets look at WoW. For a while, they were pretty neutral about players snoo-snoo'ing each other. I think it's kinda pointless to cyber, but if two adults want to do it, fine. I think that's more funny than anything else.
However, even in WoW, which is probably among the most sanitized games out there, sexually-speaking, this passivity led to some bad things. You probably remember that controversy about an "adult" guild on a roleplay server. What you may not know is the precise thing which led to this guild's downfall. It was the penchant of their guild leader and his officers to engage in "age play". Age play is when one of the adults pretend to be a different age (often a young child) while cybering. Beyond that, he never even explicitly said that minors were not allowed in his guild, and at least one ended up in there. That kid apparently didn't even lie about his age. He was upfront about it, and they let him in.
So enforcement is a nightmare. This story was news on a lot of tech blogs and tech sites, and it was just one guild out of thousands on WoW. Imagine a game where there were hundreds or thousands of adult-oriented group. How would you police them all? How would you draw the line? A laissez-faire attitude would assuredly lead to things that would give your game a very bad reputation, if not result in it being shut down outright.
The really bad thing is that there would be teens getting on ths game. Then you have to worry about all the pervs that would be able to network and pass child porn and whatever else they want freely. Second Life is full of adult entertainment and such and who knows what else and how far it really goes. To me it is just taking adult entertainment to the wrong level and would probably only lead to even darker and seedier stuff.
There was a news report recently about some kid that tricked his male school mates into sending him pics of themselves nekkid. Then he blackmailed them and forced them to perform sex acts on him.
That is why an adult MMORPG would be bad in my opinion.
Plenty of games already have sexual suggestion, and that's good enough. We don't need another "adult" MMO like Conan.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Whatever one might think of such a game in theory, in practice making an "adult" MMORPG would almost certainly consist of adding in a bunch of gratuitious sex and violence. The community such a game would attract would be an unmitigated disaster.
I heard another newsreport about some dude who shot alot of other dudes and he had a copy of grand theft auto in his home, so lets ban video games altogether.
NO: Teala, you're doing the work of Jack Thompson here. I hope you can see that. The problem above, is not adult MMO, its a bad kid. The problem isn't the internet (over which I'm guessing the pictures were sent? ) Its a bad kid. Its also some stupid kids doing stupid things (Like sending naked pics to strangers). Finally, its scared kids being pressured into doing something they dont want to. All of the *real* problems above, are treatable. raise the bad kid properly. educate the stupid kids about the internet. parents, take an interest in what your kids are doing. Parents, earn the trust of your kids, so theyll come to you when they are in trouble (like being blackmailed).
No.
The community would be overrun by spotty pre-pubescents getting their rocks off about 5 minutes after launch by looking at virtual tits and scantily-clad pixels.
Then it would get worse.
So, no.
Interesting how easy people make the jump from the "adult" to "porn".
I wouldn't play a game that was centered around pornography and/or cybersex, but a game with more adult topics such as drugs, exploitation and crime .. I wouldn't rule it out.
It's not as though the concepts aren't already in games; they're just sanitised. Drug Dealers as Alchemists .. Serial Killers as PvPers .. Devil Worshippers as Warlocks .. Prostitutes as Night Elf Females.
Would I play an MMO that said "Go whack a guy and get back the coke he stole from me" rather than "Go find a guy and retrieve his pouch of herbs" .. ?
I think it'd be rather refreshing, actually.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
A game like that will firstly be magnet for perferts secondly you will posible have virtual sex with avatar thats handled by another perfert behind his PC no thx.
You eather sexual frustrated or freak playing this kind of games and game prolly promote females as horny sex dolls who you can have sex whole day, degenerates freaks who play this.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Why not?
It would be tempting to me to be able to have an erotic encounter now and then within an mmo setting. But I'd prefer it to be an added feature rather than the main focus of the game. Say; the option to have sex with someone with the proper skills (hehe) and animations if there is mutual consent and only in certain secluded areas. Since sex is such a big thing in our human lives it would, in a way, be silly not to have the option in a true, open mmoRPG. But I doubt whether I would like to play a game which is only about sex and not much else.
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I would play Age of Conan if it were just a little better, and from my point of view Age of Conan is an adult MMO. It's also rated as one in where I live.
PS. I didn't read the whole topic before posting
Then you and me have a lot in common believe it or not. I too, do not mind a true "adult" content driven MMORPG as long as it does not step across the boundry line into the realm of pornography. You know if you and another player wish to do the dirty. Well then the option should be there, but I think it would still need to be implied and not totally going all porno on us. in other words, sorta like a movie. The scene cuts away just before anything is actually performed or something to that nature. I dunno...figure out a way to do cutscenes for such things in MMORPG's. Like if you hire a prostitute or something...you'd get a stats boost, after the deed, but that could also put you in danger - if she is not clean. And it wouldn't really show you and the other doing it...it would just imply that you did it...you know with a cutscene of something. That I am fine with.
As for other things like drug use and killing of others when doing a crime...hey...I'm in. You would really love my dream MMORPG. Seriously...because drugs, crime and mayhem would be a part of it.
The main problem with something like this is most people cant, or wont, make this distinction.
We have had games with simliar mechanics but didnt promote itself as an adult game. Look at SWG pre-cu. Drug dealing...god yes, I made a killing selling Pixie. Taking assassination missions from your locale Bounty Hunter terminal....yep. Anyway, you get the point. Having those kind of things in worked well for the setting of the game. Theres the thing, the setting. If the setting fits such things, then it would seem to blend more into the gameplay and not be "OMG look, Boobies!" That was my biggest problem with AOC. Never played it, however, it just seemed like they put topless characters in just to advertise they put topless characters in.
and, on a side note, prostitutes as Night Elf Females made me lol.
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If it was an adult mmorpg in that everyone playing is at least 18, then maybe I'm interested. If it is adult, meaning porn, then why not just go to second life or MSN?
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/MMORPG
Adult means porn
Mature means violence drugs and sex.
If you go into a video store asking for adult movies they won't show you to the horror section.
As for an adult game if done right. No.
I don't feel like beating off to some female cyber slut, who in reality is a 45 year old overweight man named Manny from Wisconsin sitting in his wife beater, asking me to perforate his rectum while i call him Susan Sexylegs
no thanks
there is an adult mmo called Red Light Central
but i hope you ment mature mmo.. although mature mmos are a joke, anyone remember AOC, and how they sensured it just a few weeks after release?
Adault..you mean an rpg with only audults 18+? Sure.
You mean adault where it includes sex, where sexual images are unavoidable? No, I wouldn't be able to focus on the game then, and putting sex into everything does not make it audult anyways. With that said I do not mind some "midly" abundant rommance. But I don't want to have to see it allt he time. Maybe have it like sims, you don't engage in it unless you want to and you don't have to be around it all the time.
Strong Language? Probably not. Some games do it well, but more often than not the language really doesn't seem to be part of the way people talk. Like putting damn and F*(K into every other word..that's just lame and hard on the ears. FO3 did a decent job enough to where it was tolerable to me. If a character is angry, then stronger language should be used, but stronger language should not be used to demonstrate how angry that character is. That's something that alot of people dont' understand.
You mean the right to form exclusive clubs and discriminate on a non real life racial level? Sure. I don't mind discimination based on wealth, lazyness, or a persons lack of freely given knowledge *aka school*, or skill level. When people go through the furnace they come out stronger. Likewise I don't mind discrimination ingame based on wealth, knowledge of the game, or whether or not someone is a moocher/leecher/begger, or their level, so long as their not dissed for their level. Beign left out because of your level is perfectly understandable. These kind of things are a part of the world I accept. I do not cry about noone asking me to the dance because i'm 80 pounds over weight, I don't cry about not making the basketball team because I don't put any effort into practice, I don't cry about not getting into the movies this week because my family doesn't make enough money. Discrimination as long as it's not about race is fine in my book.
You mean where the time you spend is always equal to what you get, such as RS when crafting non iron materials? SURE I love this type of thing. Even better yet, RS has real world economy. If the game has crafting it better have no holds back real world player economy.
BoP is the spawn of satan, whenever I see a game with it, I simply refuse to play it. BoE..well now..really still the same bassically. There's no point to BoE because if you die and are full looted, somebody else can't use it but they'll still probably vendor it. There's no point to BoP because it inhibits the economy..er whatever the word is for "stunts".
i want a game where everything is tradable for everything else. I mean legendary rarity weapons should be tradable to somebody in exchange for a level 2 common dagger. People will learn. leave it be.
Not even if he asked it very kindly?
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