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How many units does Gary Whiting expect to shift?
Agricola1
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In his speeches to MMOGUL saps he's sucked into his MLM (Multi Level Mothership scheme) he's claimed SGW will be selling atleast 1 million units at launch. I've seen many saps that are selling this scam and MMOGULs claiming these figures. It goes to show those buying into the Mothership scheme have no knowledge of MMORPGs besides "WoW is huge and SGW is the next big thing! Duuuhhhh where to I pay my $250 and $50 a month to get rich and move to Hawaii?"
I don't see much more than 200k units being sold at launch, if it does launch. However with all the lawsuits against CME, layoffs and scams I see it going bankrupt before that, if we're lucky. Then a reputable company can take over the reigns of SGW, otherwise we'll get a "Vanguard part deux".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
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I tell you, I know you're trying to be generous, but I'd be surprised if it sold 30k units at launch.
There's just so little interest for the game, especially now with more and more people doing the right thing and not wanting to be associated with filling the coffers of CME given what else the owner of the company is involved with. Since they'll be filling his pockets too, and facilitating him keeping on doing what he's doing to people.
These figures that GW and MMOGULS keep throwing around don't take into consideration that SGW could sell 1 million units and MMOGULS and the platinum partners could not make 1 single cent from it, because none of the games were bought through it, and no one renews there account through it. LOL
The only people that will get money from anyone is the people that got other saps to sign up under them and pay 50$ a month.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's going to be direct download only, and only available through itzyourmall either directly, or indirectly via secondary D2D gaming services. Even if there is a box to buy, I bet that no one will be able to begin playing the game before they have to read through the mmoguls options first to pick their type of membership.
Then without a doubt they'll be constantly inundated with "sales pitches" from various command leaders wanting to recruit into mmoguls in-game. No one will stop them because them recruiting people is how the same people running the game will be making more income.
Agreed, gold sellers annoy the hell out of me as it is sending unsolicited mails in game and having bots advertise with the /shout command. But on top of it you might have these dweebs selling you pyramid schemes and setting up commands and no doubt attempting to recruit legit command leaders into it.
I agree with you Yellow, if MMOGULs is still in business when/if SGW goes live and let's say it did sell more than GTA 4 (another GW claim). They won't neccesarily make anything from that, it's a pure pyramid scheme where you just make money from others "subscription" in your downline. Gary only says there MAY be a product/products by May, he gives no garauntees.
But I guess there's one born every minute and some just have to learn the hard way!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
well I doubt that all sales will be forced through one sales outlet (MMOGULS, anyone say monopoly).
The only way they could do that would be to replace Firesky with MMOGULS.
I dont beleive they could force distribution through mmoguls, since FIRESKY was created to be the only distribution point (not actual end sales, but actual contact for shops business to buy bulk from). Unless they scammed there investors into putting money into a company that wont actually be distributing the game
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Next my guess is Firesky wil distribute the game, MMOGULS wil say buy 200k accounts at a bulk cheap rate and sell them on through mmoguls and there platinum members. One thing you have to remember though is all these plat members will have to pay the 50% which will include the SGW game.
The next bit is, since Firesky will be distributing the goods (MMOGULS will have to buy them from them), they would have to buy every single possible box/account if they wanted sole sales rights. This seriously wont happen.
Anyways for the rest of us, we should be able to cricumvent mmoguls distribution completly by either buying from Firesky website, or from best buy, etc. The is just no way that best buy and the rest of the big names would ever touch a third party and not the actual publisher of the game to buy there copies from.
MMOGULS IS NOT A PUBLISHER, FIRESKY IS.
I agree but I am wondering if Itzyourmall will be selling it by download as they have a contract with CME to co-brand SGW. Also MMOGULs has a contract with Itzyourmall concerning the purchase of SGW, no doubt the official stance is that Firesky will distribute via DD. MMOGULs will purchase via Itzyourmall at a discount, allowing the pyramid schemers into SGW to begin recruiting those that bought through Firesky. Be prepared to be inundated with mails and /tells saying "Do you want to be paid to play SGW? Yes? Then click on my link ww.MYMOGULS/mothershipscheme.com".
That's assuming SGW ever gets released, which I seriously doubt now.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
1 - there is NO CONTRACT WITH CME or Firesky, please how many times to CME themselves have to say this, your statement here is completely incorrect.
2 -MMOGULS has a contract with ITZYOURMALL (YES) to provide a portal for each and every platinum partner to run there business from (this is what they buy for 250$). ITZYOURMALL provides them to sell servies and products only, when you become a platinum partner you get your own mall (so to say).
3 - Firesky is a publisher they will provide the goods to the shops, they may sell directly, but that will not be there main priority, please understand the difference between publisher and sales.
4 - Firesky cannot pass on confidential information without prior agreement to any third party, so your statement is completely wrong there.
5 - Firesky is not MMOGULS.
6 - the medium of the end sale does not matter, it still needs to go through the steps of publish and sales.
so what we have is
FIRESKY - sells to - ITZYOURMALL - sells to - MMOGULS (partners) - sells to - customers
FIRESKY - sells to - BESTBUY - sells to - customer
FIRESKY DIRECT DOWNLOAD - sells to - customer
As I can see the MMOGULS system adds extra steps in to take extra cuts of the profits.
I do believe I made that clear, also every company you mentioned save Best buy is owned by Gary Whiting. Doesn't that bother you in the least?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
It was mentioned on another site that it would be sold through all chains in the US including walmart
Bottom line, if the game is good and the fee is inline with the quality of the game, I don't care who's helming the thing I'll play it.
Will I pay $250 plus $50 a month to play.... Hell no! Will I pay $40 and ~$15 a month just like I do with other MMO's? Sure if I like the game.
How do you feel about MMOGULs members who all have access to the game using it to solicit others into the scheme like gold sellers selling gold? Except you can't report them and get them banned! Would it reduce the quality of the game for you? Would you become frustrated with players marketing pyramid schemes everytime you log on?
Because remember a large part of the playerbase will be made up by MMOGULs and Gary Whiting has given them the green light to harass you. I'd complaing on the official forums but they have censored MMOGULs and refuse to deal with such issues.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
How do you feel about MMOGULs members who all have access to the game using it to solicit others into the scheme like gold sellers selling gold? Except you can't report them and get them banned! Would it reduce the quality of the game for you? Would you become frustrated with players marketing pyramid schemes everytime you log on?
Because remember a large part of the playerbase will be made up by MMOGULs and Gary Whiting has given them the green light to harass you. I'd complaing on the official forums but they have censored MMOGULs and refuse to deal with such issues.
Well that would fall under the catagory of "IF" such a thing were to happen, then "NO" I would not play the game. However, I do not believe that will be the case. Doomsayers and Fanboys will always take their arguments to extremes to prove a point. I find the truth generally lies somewhere in the middle, sure it may land a little to the left or right of center, but rarely is it really as bad or good as an extremists would have you believe. So until the game actually launches and this type of thing is actually happening, I will wait and see.
Nope, I play SOE games too, yet there are many here that will tell you Smedley is the Devil.
Nope, I play SOE games too, yet there are many here that will tell you Smedley is the Devil.
I believe he now has some pretty stiff competition!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Nope, I play SOE games too, yet there are many here that will tell you Smedley is the Devil.
I believe he now has some pretty stiff competition!
Not even close yet. It takes a lifetime of training to become as powerful in the dark side and as evil as Darth Smedious
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Nope, I play SOE games too, yet there are many here that will tell you Smedley is the Devil.
I'm afraid that I don't see how someone that's made some unpopular design decisions for a game, or unpopular comments, can be compared to someone that is very likely going to be at best directly responsible for many people having to go through a lot of very real pain and anguish in their personal lives. At worst responsible for ruining many people's lives all together. Nor compared to quite possibly helping to fill the pockets of someone involved in what very possibly could be deemed illegal activities eventually.
QFT! Good wording Fumbles
Still you didn't answer the question, Gary Whiting owns CME,MMOGULs and itzyourmall and is encouraging Pyramid schemers to become command leaders and recruit in game. Doesn't that bother you? a simple yes or no will do.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Still you didn't answer the question, Gary Whiting owns CME,MMOGULs and itzyourmall and is encouraging Pyramid schemers to become command leaders and recruit in game. Doesn't that bother you? a simple yes or no will do.
Hmm I thought I explained it pretty well in post 13 how I felt, you can also see it quoted in post 19.
The short answer is "IF" there is recruiting in game without the option to ignore such things then I will not play the game. Simple eh? I could really care less if it's in game and I am able to ignore it.
I read the entire thread... bottom line
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
I've just finished reading through this thread and I too can't think of a better way to put how I feel about how this whole thing is shaping up. Gary Whiting, mmoguls and all this other bs surrounding SGW is just ridiculous and disheartening. I was so looking forward to this game originally but now I think they just need to pull the plug and give it to a company that deserves the name of Stargate.
However, FIresky is a wholly-owned subsidiary of CME, and as such, the same man owns them both at this time. He could at any time have Firesky enter into a contract designating MMOGULs and Itzyourmall as having exclusive distribution rights. Such deals need not be nefarious (e.g., Apple made AT&T the exclusive outlet for the iPhone), but in this case, I don't think I'd be as charitable.