If there is one thing that will be to blame for me not continuing and buying AoC after this trial - it's the community. Biggest bunch of whiners, doom'n'gloomers, pvp tough-guys, 12 year olds, and griefers
I want to like this game, but I'm the type of player who loves the immersion factor of RPGs, and well, it's hard to get immersed when half the community is referring to the devs as "Failcom" and you have people talking about masturbation and "drugz dudez!" in global chat. This thread just does more to prove the horrible community. Well, the entire mmorpg.com AoC subforums do, besides a few serious respectful posters.
You make a mistake by believing this is The AoC community. Many people post on the forums here with the exact purpose of having people feel just like you do now. What you see here is hardly relevant for the AoC community at all. Some are here to share relevant information about the game. Some are here to recruit more players and will tell just anything to get people in the game, and others (the ones you talk about) are here to trash talk the game no matter what. They do this for many reasons: They felt let down by FC at launch since the game did not live up to their expectations, or they see AoC as a treat to their game of choice and see this as a war between games for subscribers, or they are just vile pure haters with an agenda.
When it comes to "The real AoC community" you find them playing the game, not here. From what you say in your post that is what I hear from a lot of people that has had their first experience of the game on a general FFA PVP server. This is the server type that by being what it is attracts such behaviour. If you try some other servers, I bet you will be surprised to see that communities varies A LOT between servers.
And lastly, but not least, when you put 100-200 thousand people together you are bound to have some very vocal morons there, thats just how it is. In time you will see that the immense amount of noise you hear is from a very minor, very vocal minority.
QFT man...QFT for sure.
(PS: Rather be playing than posting, but thanks to work, I just have to wait until 3pm...BUGGER!)
And we each have personal preferences. I have played MMO's til they have come out of my ying yang, and I would prefer if AoC was more stable, and that patching went smoother... But, the fact is, no current MMO will work for me anymore. They bore me out of my skull....I have tried, and they fail...so, I will stick with AoC until Guild Wars 2. Cheers
Well after disagreeing with almost every post you have ever made I think I understand where you are coming from now.
Character graphics and animations are what are most important to you in your gaming anything that you percieve as sub par in the graphics area ruins that gaming experiance for you.
Can you possibly show me where I said that? Right here you put words into my mouth and it is not the case. LOTRO failed for me mechanics wise and the story is rote, combined with boring quests. EQ2 felt confined, yet out of all 3, it was the most enjoyable. Vanguard is a joke, as it runs poorly, and is boring beyond belief. How do you get only graphics and animation is my sole reason to play? Is it because I also like GW (which happens to be an old game, yet still holds up visually and mechanically).
But, I will not disagree that if the game is ugly (Darkfall) then yes, I will question even starting the game. So, you have me there. The game has to sell me on the package first. WoW sold me, and I enjoy their graphics, yet so many think it is sub par...
So you are just plain wrong in this respect.
there is a old saying that goes everyone has three faces, the one he sees in the mirror, the one that he wears for others to see, and his true face. From your posting history you always put a lot of emphasis on graphics and animation. maybe you do not even realize it but my take is that the graphics are very very immportant to you. I do not mean this in a bad way and wish you would not take it as such.
For me gameplay and community is first, graphics and animations are second. I can live with LoTRO's less than perfect character animations because to me the first rate gameplay and mature community makes up for it.. You can live with AoC's gameplay and community because for you the graphics and animations make up for it.
But, when you read about a game, do you read about it's community first? In so many words, when you start following an MMO, is it because of the community? NO, as none exists yet. You will base it on gameplay, which is what I did for AoC. The real time combat grabbed me. Then they had a spectacular package to boot, in the visuals...which sold it for me. WoW was unique, and I thought maybe the graphics may be too cartoony, but I had heard it was an awesome game, so I tried it, and liked it. And I could enjoy the graphics as well, because they made some efforts in animation and little features...
You just made my point again, graphics and animation To me thje combat is still nothing more than push button A, then button B which allows you to execute the combo on button C. I have had to do the same thing on my LoTRO minstrel since it's launch withethe tier system.
Right now you are making assumptions. And you continue to be wrong. How would YOU know more than I what I like or dislike.
Like I said sometimes others can see us differently than we see ourselves. When most of your posting history is either praising or condemming graphics features in game it is only reasonable to assume that that is a important consideration.
however I can respect your love of graphics, as you said each to their own. Just for most gamers it is the secondary or even third consideration
Now, you of course have included other people in YOUR opinion. How do you know this?
well if graphics was the number 1 consideration in a game WoW would have about 5 players and AoC would have 10 million. AoC has beautiful graphics and outstanding sound, which impressed many of us myself included. too bad the gameplay was shallow and the bugs were so severe it drove most of the population away.
I do not disagree that community and gameplay are important. I enjoy a guild of 600+ players who make a great community for me. And gameplay wise, I would rather be entertained and motivated as I play thanks to real time combat and well written quests, not done in a wall of text, than Hit 1, wait for refresh Hit 1, Hit 2 gameplay.
But, yes, I also prefer my game to look good and run well and be visually appealing also.
Please do not try to tell me what I like and why. It seems you do not know me well enough to do that.
Not trying to tell you what you like, just from your posting history this is my perception of what seems to be important to you. I remember one post where you went on about the way one game made the characters noses, it might just be me but I rarely if ever pay any notice to the nose of a PC or NPC and if it was blocky that certainly would not be a game breaker for me. I can understand though if others feel differently and like I said I do not mean this as a put down or as a attack on you and your personal preferences in any way. Everyone has different things they look at in a game otherwise there would only need to be one game.
If there is one thing that will be to blame for me not continuing and buying AoC after this trial - it's the community. Biggest bunch of whiners, doom'n'gloomers, pvp tough-guys, 12 year olds, and griefers
I want to like this game, but I'm the type of player who loves the immersion factor of RPGs, and well, it's hard to get immersed when half the community is referring to the devs as "Failcom" and you have people talking about masturbation and "drugz dudez!" in global chat. This thread just does more to prove the horrible community. Well, the entire mmorpg.com AoC subforums do, besides a few serious respectful posters.
You make a mistake by believing this is The AoC community. Many people post on the forums here with the exact purpose of having people feel just like you do now. What you see here is hardly relevant for the AoC community at all. Some are here to share relevant information about the game. Some are here to recruit more players and will tell just anything to get people in the game, and others (the ones you talk about) are here to trash talk the game no matter what. They do this for many reasons: They felt let down by FC at launch since the game did not live up to their expectations, or they see AoC as a treat to their game of choice and see this as a war between games for subscribers, or they are just vile pure haters with an agenda.
When it comes to "The real AoC community" you find them playing the game, not here. From what you say in your post that is what I hear from a lot of people that has had their first experience of the game on a general FFA PVP server. This is the server type that by being what it is attracts such behaviour. If you try some other servers, I bet you will be surprised to see that communities varies A LOT between servers.
And lastly, but not least, when you put 100-200 thousand people together you are bound to have some very vocal morons there, thats just how it is. In time you will see that the immense amount of noise you hear is from a very minor, very vocal minority.
I want to believe this, but I just hope the in-game server community of my new server, Cimmeria proves it. I refuse to resort to playing on a type of server I don't want to play on (PVE) just because the knuckleheads and 12 y/os fill up the PVP servers. I'm hoping Cimmeria is a good inbetween.
If there is one thing that will be to blame for me not continuing and buying AoC after this trial - it's the community. Biggest bunch of whiners, doom'n'gloomers, pvp tough-guys, 12 year olds, and griefers
I want to like this game, but I'm the type of player who loves the immersion factor of RPGs, and well, it's hard to get immersed when half the community is referring to the devs as "Failcom" and you have people talking about masturbation and "drugz dudez!" in global chat. This thread just does more to prove the horrible community. Well, the entire mmorpg.com AoC subforums do, besides a few serious respectful posters.
You make a mistake by believing this is The AoC community. Many people post on the forums here with the exact purpose of having people feel just like you do now. What you see here is hardly relevant for the AoC community at all. Some are here to share relevant information about the game. Some are here to recruit more players and will tell just anything to get people in the game, and others (the ones you talk about) are here to trash talk the game no matter what. They do this for many reasons: They felt let down by FC at launch since the game did not live up to their expectations, or they see AoC as a treat to their game of choice and see this as a war between games for subscribers, or they are just vile pure haters with an agenda.
When it comes to "The real AoC community" you find them playing the game, not here. From what you say in your post that is what I hear from a lot of people that has had their first experience of the game on a general FFA PVP server. This is the server type that by being what it is attracts such behaviour. If you try some other servers, I bet you will be surprised to see that communities varies A LOT between servers.
And lastly, but not least, when you put 100-200 thousand people together you are bound to have some very vocal morons there, thats just how it is. In time you will see that the immense amount of noise you hear is from a very minor, very vocal minority.
I want to believe this, but I just hope the in-game server community of my new server, Cimmeria proves it. I refuse to resort to playing on a type of server I don't want to play on (PVE) just because the knuckleheads and 12 y/os fill up the PVP servers. I'm hoping Cimmeria is a good inbetween.
Luckily the type you're trying to avoid has done us a favor and compiled most of their numbers on the Tyranny Server. Avoid that server at all costs if you don't want to be bombarded by stupid.
Can you possibly show me where I said that? Right here you put words into my mouth and it is not the case. LOTRO failed for me mechanics wise and the story is rote, combined with boring quests. EQ2 felt confined, yet out of all 3, it was the most enjoyable. Vanguard is a joke, as it runs poorly, and is boring beyond belief. How do you get only graphics and animation is my sole reason to play? Is it because I also like GW (which happens to be an old game, yet still holds up visually and mechanically).
But, I will not disagree that if the game is ugly (Darkfall) then yes, I will question even starting the game. So, you have me there. The game has to sell me on the package first. WoW sold me, and I enjoy their graphics, yet so many think it is sub par...
So you are just plain wrong in this respect. there is a old saying that goes everyone has three faces, the one he sees in the mirror, the one that he wears for others to see, and his true face. From your posting history you always put a lot of emphasis on graphics and animation. maybe you do not even realize it but my take is that the graphics are very very immportant to you. I do not mean this in a bad way and wish you would not take it as such. And I certainly will focus on it when it is a bad part of the game. The fact is LOTRO and Vanguard are two fine examples of bad graphics and animations for their characters. But, your wording makes it sound like it is the only thing I am committed to, and I am just telling you that you are wrong. You again are assuming you know me based on some posts. Sorry, but you do not. But, when you read about a game, do you read about it's community first? In so many words, when you start following an MMO, is it because of the community? NO, as none exists yet. You will base it on gameplay, which is what I did for AoC. The real time combat grabbed me. Then they had a spectacular package to boot, in the visuals...which sold it for me. WoW was unique, and I thought maybe the graphics may be too cartoony, but I had heard it was an awesome game, so I tried it, and liked it. And I could enjoy the graphics as well, because they made some efforts in animation and little features...
You just made my point again, graphics and animation To me thje combat is still nothing more than push button A, then button B which allows you to execute the combo on button C. I have had to do the same thing on my LoTRO minstrel since it's launch withethe tier system. This is probably based on the fact you do not know how to play then. Combat is more than pushing buttons, with splash damage, mob placement and blocking, with shield movement. This just shows you do not understand the system, and I am sorry for that.
As to graphics, it is typically a means to an end is all. If the game has pictures of pretty pony playing in fields of rainbows and I was comparing this to a game that had mo-cap horses and ray traced rainbows, which will be more suitable to a persons tastes. It is all subjective really. You maybe like large oversized hands and size 3 male waists and painted on clothing, and this told you that this game may be fun. For me, I saw bloody visceral graphics with realistic models and gorgeous landscapes. I am sorry, but you would be a liar to say that esoteric qualities do not sell you on a game...especially if you know hardly anything about the game. You will not really know how good that game will be until you try it...and one of those deciding factors may be graphics. To tell me you would walk into a store and buy a game based on word of mouth alone is ridiculous. And then I would feel sorry for that purchase you made... Right now you are making assumptions. And you continue to be wrong. How would YOU know more than I what I like or dislike. Like I said sometimes others can see us differently than we see ourselves. When most of your posting history is either praising or condemming graphics features in game it is only reasonable to assume that that is a important consideration.
Yet you do not mention how I have noted issues with mechanics and gameplay as well. You have singled out one particular subject to use as your own fodder for making an assumption, and to derail a thread with an argument.
Poor research is my opinion. Now, you of course have included other people in YOUR opinion. How do you know this? well if graphics was the number 1 consideration in a game WoW would have about 5 players and AoC would have 10 million Then how does this explain the issues with LOTRO, WAR, EQ2 which are lauded for their spectacular gameplay, yet cannot even muster a million? WoW is always a special case here when it comes to MMO's, and anyone using WoW to explain a reason for a niche game not having a million (or 10 million) is pretty poor for an argument. I do not disagree that community and gameplay are important. I enjoy a guild of 600+ players who make a great community for me. And gameplay wise, I would rather be entertained and motivated as I play thanks to real time combat and well written quests, not done in a wall of text, than Hit 1, wait for refresh Hit 1, Hit 2 gameplay.
But, yes, I also prefer my game to look good and run well and be visually appealing also.
Please do not try to tell me what I like and why. It seems you do not know me well enough to do that. Not trying to tell you what you like, just from your posting history this is my perception. Like I said I do not mean this as a put down in any way. Yet, you have made an assumption with your own opinion of my posting history, which will not be the case. You decided to pick one particular opinion in that I like graphics and then held that as my one particular reason to play a game, and if you would have done your research you would have seen this is not the case. I did not play LOTRO for 8 months due to graphics, I did not play WoW or EQ2 for a year each due to graphics. I played them as I initially liked what they had to offer. Now, they do not offer me that feeling anymore, and it sure does have a LOT more to do with a well rounded package than "graphics".
This thread is just full of assume on your part...
Then how does this explain the issues with LOTRO, WAR, EQ2 which are lauded for their spectacular gameplay, yet cannot even muster a million? WoW is always a special case here when it comes to MMO's, and anyone using WoW to explain a reason for a niche game not having a million (or 10 million) is pretty poor for an argument.
This thing was growing into a huge wall of text which could be summed up as my opinion, your opinion so best just to drop it.
However I can give you 2 reasons why WoW has such a huge following compared to WAR, LOTRO, and EQII.
1) it will play well on lots of different machines form hand me down Dells with a Prescott 3.0 processor and a 9800 pro video card on up and possibly even less of a machine than that.
2) tried and true gameplay. Classic DIKU level based, lots of content, fun quest lines, easy to learn in but hard to master end game that requires you always be chasing a carrot on a stick.
LoTRO and EQII require more of a machine, and combat is a level or two up in difficulty from WoWs. WoW only requires a real strategy in the end game from what I saw of it.
WAr, damnifIknow why it succeeding as well as it did. I could not stand it myself and uninstalled 2 hours into the open beta. Best thing I can say about is if I were offered a choice between gouging out my eyes wiith a spoon, playiong WoW or playing WAR I would probably pick playing WAR. Still it looks like it has leveled out and is holding steady in population since December.
Then how does this explain the issues with LOTRO, WAR, EQ2 which are lauded for their spectacular gameplay, yet cannot even muster a million? WoW is always a special case here when it comes to MMO's, and anyone using WoW to explain a reason for a niche game not having a million (or 10 million) is pretty poor for an argument.
This thing was growing into a huge wall of text which could be summed up as my opinion, your opinion so best just to drop it.
However I can give you 2 reasons why WoW has such a huge following compared to WAR, LOTRO, and EQII.
1) it will play well on lots of different machines form hand me down Dells with a Prescott 3.0 processor and a 9800 pro video card on up and possibly even less of a machine than that.
Yet look at EvE which rates higher on Xfire and has been noted to have more players than the above games...and this is one graphics hog. It had DX10 before LOTRO. How does THAT explain this theory?
2) tried and true gameplay. Classic DIKU level based, lots of content, fun quest lines, easy to learn in but hard to master end game that requires you always be chasing a carrot on a stick.
Again, we have EvE which throws all of your assumptions out. No DIKU, large learning curve, yet ranking high on Xfire and has more scrips as time goes by.
WAr, damnifIknow why it succeeding as well as it did. I could not stand it myself and uninstalled 2 hours into the open beta. Best thing I can say about is if I were offered a choice between gouging out my eyes wiith a spoon, playiong WoW or playing WAR I would probably pick playing WAR. Still it looks like it has leveled out and is holding steady in population since December.
According to your Alexa methodology though, it is actually failing compared to AoC, but who am I to speculate.
I still think you wanted to single out graphics in this discussion, and it requires more than graphics. I know I do. But, if anything, graphics is a good selling point. If we look at the Xfire list, a ton of games ranking higher require some pretty strong machines and graphically are gorgeous (CoD4, CoD:WoW, Left 4 Dead) . And if graphics were not an important selling point, whyi is every Dev trying to make their games look better each time they release a sequel or new game.
I am sorry, but the fact is, many different viewpoints will be considered in a purchasing decision...and yes, graphics may be one...but it is not the sole one (for example, I just went back and played Resident Evil 4 and Fable 1, and they sure are not lookers..)
Yet look at EvE which rates higher on Xfire and has been noted to have more players than the above games...and this is one graphics hog. It had DX10 before LOTRO. How does THAT explain this theory? As has been pointed out many time on these forums has used XFire as a promotion tool, just as LoTRO recently did. Xfire left by itself is a good population trending tool but as soon as companies or individuals use it as a promotion tool it's value is nil. Eve is also not a systems hog, it will run and look pretty good on the minimum requirements. It is also a unique game. DX10 , a lot of us stil have XP dude. I am using Win7 beta right now but I would have never ran Vista. LoTRO, EQII, even vanguard and AoC look pretty damn good to me in DX9 2) tried and true gameplay. Classic DIKU level based, lots of content, fun quest lines, easy to learn in but hard to master end game that requires you always be chasing a carrot on a stick. Again, we have EvE which throws all of your assumptions out. No DIKU, large learning curve, yet ranking high on Xfire and has more scrips as time goes by. Once again Eve is in and of itself a unique game, it has no competiion which offers the game play itr has . AoC is just another DIku based fantasy MMO trying to compete with a dozen other fantasy MMO's most of which do everything it does better. WAr, damnifIknow why it succeeding as well as it did. I could not stand it myself and uninstalled 2 hours into the open beta. Best thing I can say about is if I were offered a choice between gouging out my eyes wiith a spoon, playiong WoW or playing WAR I would probably pick playing WAR. Still it looks like it has leveled out and is holding steady in population since December. According to your Alexa methodology though, it is actually failing compared to AoC, but who am I to speculate. Go to Alexa and compare AoC and WAR on the same chart. Click the max and then the 6 month tabs. Then go into the bathroom have yourself a good cry. Aoc had a peak in May/June of twice what WAR had at it's release in September but both leveled off in the November/December ( using the 6 month chart) except AoC is below WAR
I still think you wanted to single out graphics in this discussion, and it requires more than graphics. I know I do. But, if anything, graphics is a good selling point. If we look at the Xfire list, a ton of games ranking higher require some pretty strong machines and graphically are gorgeous (CoD4, CoD:WoW, Left 4 Dead) . And if graphics were not an important selling point, whyi is every Dev trying to make their games look better each time they release a sequel or new game.
I am sorry, but the fact is, many different viewpoints will be considered in a purchasing decision...and yes, graphics may be one...but it is not the sole one (for example, I just went back and played Resident Evil 4 and Fable 1, and they sure are not lookers..)
Now, how about back on topic. Patch 1.04!
By the way I don't think I have ever said graphics were not a selling point but obviously they are not somethjing that contriburtes to long term retention, otherwise AoC would still have 800K to a million subs.
back to the topic, 1.04 added some good things obviously but it was buggy and I think it is too little too late. As I have said many times before here too bad they released when they did and had the game director they had. By summer the game will be where it should have been at release.
One of the forum mods directly said that PVP queue times would be improved. I was kind of hoping they'd be merging queues across all servers, because this is the only thing that could improve queues. Instead, they revamped the queue graphics interface and called it a queue time fix. LMAO @ Failcom.
They are improved. You're leaving out the most obvious key feature that they're talking about troll. I chuckle since you don't even know what it is and I'll let you figure it out. I'll give you a hint - it's located in the top right part of the PvP menu.
Edit: I saw this quote and you beat me to the punch!
"They added option to join any game that starts first. Thats the main fix that decrease waiting times. So LMAO Fail Troll, you failed in this one! If you dont play, SHUT UP and dont make yourself look stupid!"
Stop spewing forth your childish name calling, and start arguing the actual issue. I am not trolling. I have a serious issue with Funcom still lying to us about proposed features, and a serious issue with an aspect of the game -- minigames are NOT in a playable state, period. Sugar coat it or defend it however you want, it's an issue. I can't play them. For a game that touts itself as a PVP game, one would think that a player would be able to umm... I dunno... ACTUALLY PVP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!? Call me crazy.
Well in fairness WoW has a big advantage .. it's called a Player Base.
Well in fairness, AoC could have had a comparable player base and they blew it. I didn't realize that having a lower player base made a game harder to fix. One would think it would be easier. It's OK though. I'll just have to keep looking for a PVP game that tops WOW's PVP experience, which is sad.
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Stop spewing forth your childish name calling, and start arguing the actual issue. I am not trolling. I have a serious issue with Funcom still lying to us about proposed features, and a serious issue with an aspect of the game -- minigames are NOT in a playable state, period. Sugar coat it or defend it however you want, it's an issue. I can't play them. For a game that touts itself as a PVP game, one would think that a player would be able to umm... I dunno... ACTUALLY PVP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!? Call me crazy. My thought is...if you wish to PvP so much, why not go to a PvP server instead?
Well in fairness WoW has a big advantage .. it's called a Player Base.
Well in fairness, AoC could have had a comparable player base and they blew it. I didn't realize that having a lower player base made a game harder to fix. One would think it would be easier. It's OK though. I'll just have to keep looking for a PVP game that tops WOW's PVP experience, which is sad.
Now, name me any other MMO that has even an inkling of a playerbase like WoW. AoC is not comparable, because NO OTHER MMO is either. WoW is the standard, and just sucks as a comparison.
All MMO's will continue to feed off the crumbs of WoW, but none will ever match or even come close. NO GAME has that playerbase, and I doubt any ever will.
This is pointless really. Thanks to the last few days getting the patch stable and hotfixes here and there, we do not know yet just how empty PvP mini games are, so right now you are making an assumption based on server outages.
Come back, try over the weekend and see how things roll for you, then if it is dead, then come complain...k? I will have no issue with that.
One of the forum mods directly said that PVP queue times would be improved. I was kind of hoping they'd be merging queues across all servers, because this is the only thing that could improve queues. Instead, they revamped the queue graphics interface and called it a queue time fix. LMAO @ Failcom.
They are improved. You're leaving out the most obvious key feature that they're talking about troll.
I chuckle since you don't even know what it is and I'll let you figure it out.
I'll give you a hint - it's located in the top right part of the PvP menu.
Edit: I saw this quote and you beat me to the punch!
"They added option to join any game that starts first. Thats the main fix that decrease waiting times.
So LMAO Fail Troll, you failed in this one! If you dont play, SHUT UP and dont make yourself look stupid!"
Stop spewing forth your childish name calling, and start arguing the actual issue. I am not trolling. I have a serious issue with Funcom still lying to us about proposed features, and a serious issue with an aspect of the game -- minigames are NOT in a playable state, period. Sugar coat it or defend it however you want, it's an issue. I can't play them. For a game that touts itself as a PVP game, one would think that a player would be able to umm... I dunno... ACTUALLY PVP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!? Call me crazy.
Well in fairness WoW has a big advantage .. it's called a Player Base.
Well in fairness, AoC could have had a comparable player base and they blew it. I didn't realize that having a lower player base made a game harder to fix. One would think it would be easier. It's OK though. I'll just have to keep looking for a PVP game that tops WOW's PVP experience, which is sad.
#1. You can PvP on a daily basis so I have no idea where that statement came from.....
#2. Explain how Minigames are "broken" ? I did a half dozen mini games last night and everything was perfect and a lot of fun.
One of the forum mods directly said that PVP queue times would be improved. I was kind of hoping they'd be merging queues across all servers, because this is the only thing that could improve queues. Instead, they revamped the queue graphics interface and called it a queue time fix. LMAO @ Failcom.
They are improved. You're leaving out the most obvious key feature that they're talking about troll.
I chuckle since you don't even know what it is and I'll let you figure it out.
I'll give you a hint - it's located in the top right part of the PvP menu.
Edit: I saw this quote and you beat me to the punch!
"They added option to join any game that starts first. Thats the main fix that decrease waiting times.
So LMAO Fail Troll, you failed in this one! If you dont play, SHUT UP and dont make yourself look stupid!"
Stop spewing forth your childish name calling, and start arguing the actual issue. I am not trolling. I have a serious issue with Funcom still lying to us about proposed features, and a serious issue with an aspect of the game -- minigames are NOT in a playable state, period. Sugar coat it or defend it however you want, it's an issue. I can't play them. For a game that touts itself as a PVP game, one would think that a player would be able to umm... I dunno... ACTUALLY PVP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!? Call me crazy.
Well in fairness WoW has a big advantage .. it's called a Player Base.
Well in fairness, AoC could have had a comparable player base and they blew it. I didn't realize that having a lower player base made a game harder to fix. One would think it would be easier. It's OK though. I'll just have to keep looking for a PVP game that tops WOW's PVP experience, which is sad.
#1. You can PvP on a daily basis so I have no idea where that statement came from.....
#2. Explain how Minigames are "broken" ? I did a half dozen mini games last night and everything was perfect and a lot of fun.
#2 Where? On Set, I was in queue for 3 hours last night and not one person even showed up.
#1. I was off work yesterday and got a rare opportunity to play AoC for a while. I registered over 400 unique kills yesterday on players in the Thunder River, Minigames, and Border Kingdom areas. None of them were under level 75. The border kingdom was 4x as populated as my WoW server in Wintergrasp at peak hour. Tyranny or Cimmeria for US servers imho.
#2. Set is a PvE Server. I recommend joining a PvP server if you want to PvP. However that being said it looks like most of Set Server's PvP isn't in mini games on that server. It's in the Cimmeria border kingdoms. Go check it out as they commented about some "epic" battles.
#3. You can get free Xfers to another server if PvP is your primary focus.
#2 Where? On Set, I was in queue for 3 hours last night and not one person even showed up.
#1. I was off work yesterday and got a rare opportunity to play AoC for a while. I registered over 400 unique kills yesterday on players in the Thunder River, Minigames, and Border Kingdom areas. None of them were under level 75. The border kingdom was 4x as populated as my WoW server in Wintergrasp at peak hour. Tyranny or Cimmeria for US servers imho.
#2. Set is a PvE Server. I recommend joining a PvP server if you want to PvP. However that being said it looks like most of Set Server's PvP isn't in mini games on that server. It's in the Cimmeria border kingdoms. Go check it out as they commented about some "epic" battles.
#3. You can get free Xfers to another server if PvP is your primary focus.
#1 PVP is just for characters above 75? *sigh* Sorry, I don't like the PVE in this game enough to get there.
#2 I went to Set FROM Cimmeria. In my old age, I am growing to hate open PVP and shift more towards controlled PVP. I love battlegrounds, the concept of arenas, and small battles. I dislike the concept that someone who leveled quicker than me in PVE has the upper hand in certain situations.
#3 I transfered off of Cimmeria because I like certain types of PVP but not others.
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Well, after several hours of play last night, and this morning, I wanted to give a quick write up on how 1.04 has treated me... The Good The DT is worth it's weight as a unique class now. Watching how your health would rise up and down based on how you managed your attacks, positioning, etc. It truly was the most fun I have had yet. Everything on, 8x AA, 16X AF, ATI 4870 with 512, running between 80-100FPS+...gorgeous. New looting. Seems a lot of the crap from bags and chests have been removed with little collectibles. No more running out of space so fast while questing thanks to the stackable gems and coins. Very reminiscent of Guild Wars. Most chests also have just a main item in them...in so many words a green or blue, no extra junk. GUI enhancements like timer notations on buffs and food. No food can be eaten unless you cancel old food. New loot drops for various levels. New clothing styles were shown even in Global chat...start of itemization? So much more, so I will not go on and on, but some great stuff here (I am not going to even go on about the questing now, which is a good even keel thanks to filled out sections (level 20-40, then 40-50, then 50-60, 60+ is all even with no major grind, and some fun quests as well) The Bad Always login and it is midnight and dark out. Crappy and annoying bug. But not game breaking. Custom UI's broken, and because of this, so many complaints about crashes and what not were actually the UI breaking...caused an ugly scene in game and on the boards. The UGLY! Funcom still cannot release a patch without an issue. DC's through the night (which I was able to alleviate thanks to a trick to delete the Shader.Cache.Local file) __________________________________________ No matter how it goes, Funcoms issue with patches is truly a mess. I just wish for once they could get it right. Why? Because no matter the issues I experienced last night (none this morning except for the stupid "Midnight" bug), I find this game way more fun than WAR, LOTRO, EQ2, Vanguard, etc... Funcom only shoots itself in the foot with each patch though, and maybe they do deserve such a fervent following of haters...yet, I cannot drag myself away, as I really like how the game plays, looks, runs. Until some new MMO comes along, I guess I will stay dedicated for now. But, Funcom, please get some QA going before releasing these patches. This patch is a winner barring these stupid issues. Cheers
They fixed the issue right away, you can't test server load on testlive. This was an amazing patch, I dont see how some disconnects is shooting themselves in the foot. The fact that people use custom UI's is not there problems, it's yours.
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You make a mistake by believing this is The AoC community. Many people post on the forums here with the exact purpose of having people feel just like you do now. What you see here is hardly relevant for the AoC community at all. Some are here to share relevant information about the game. Some are here to recruit more players and will tell just anything to get people in the game, and others (the ones you talk about) are here to trash talk the game no matter what. They do this for many reasons: They felt let down by FC at launch since the game did not live up to their expectations, or they see AoC as a treat to their game of choice and see this as a war between games for subscribers, or they are just vile pure haters with an agenda.
When it comes to "The real AoC community" you find them playing the game, not here. From what you say in your post that is what I hear from a lot of people that has had their first experience of the game on a general FFA PVP server. This is the server type that by being what it is attracts such behaviour. If you try some other servers, I bet you will be surprised to see that communities varies A LOT between servers.
And lastly, but not least, when you put 100-200 thousand people together you are bound to have some very vocal morons there, thats just how it is. In time you will see that the immense amount of noise you hear is from a very minor, very vocal minority.
QFT man...QFT for sure.
(PS: Rather be playing than posting, but thanks to work, I just have to wait until 3pm...BUGGER!)
Well after disagreeing with almost every post you have ever made I think I understand where you are coming from now.
Character graphics and animations are what are most important to you in your gaming anything that you percieve as sub par in the graphics area ruins that gaming experiance for you.
Can you possibly show me where I said that? Right here you put words into my mouth and it is not the case. LOTRO failed for me mechanics wise and the story is rote, combined with boring quests. EQ2 felt confined, yet out of all 3, it was the most enjoyable. Vanguard is a joke, as it runs poorly, and is boring beyond belief. How do you get only graphics and animation is my sole reason to play? Is it because I also like GW (which happens to be an old game, yet still holds up visually and mechanically).
But, I will not disagree that if the game is ugly (Darkfall) then yes, I will question even starting the game. So, you have me there. The game has to sell me on the package first. WoW sold me, and I enjoy their graphics, yet so many think it is sub par...
So you are just plain wrong in this respect.
there is a old saying that goes everyone has three faces, the one he sees in the mirror, the one that he wears for others to see, and his true face. From your posting history you always put a lot of emphasis on graphics and animation. maybe you do not even realize it but my take is that the graphics are very very immportant to you. I do not mean this in a bad way and wish you would not take it as such.
For me gameplay and community is first, graphics and animations are second. I can live with LoTRO's less than perfect character animations because to me the first rate gameplay and mature community makes up for it.. You can live with AoC's gameplay and community because for you the graphics and animations make up for it.
But, when you read about a game, do you read about it's community first? In so many words, when you start following an MMO, is it because of the community? NO, as none exists yet. You will base it on gameplay, which is what I did for AoC. The real time combat grabbed me. Then they had a spectacular package to boot, in the visuals...which sold it for me. WoW was unique, and I thought maybe the graphics may be too cartoony, but I had heard it was an awesome game, so I tried it, and liked it. And I could enjoy the graphics as well, because they made some efforts in animation and little features...
You just made my point again, graphics and animation To me thje combat is still nothing more than push button A, then button B which allows you to execute the combo on button C. I have had to do the same thing on my LoTRO minstrel since it's launch withethe tier system.
Right now you are making assumptions. And you continue to be wrong. How would YOU know more than I what I like or dislike.
Like I said sometimes others can see us differently than we see ourselves. When most of your posting history is either praising or condemming graphics features in game it is only reasonable to assume that that is a important consideration.
however I can respect your love of graphics, as you said each to their own. Just for most gamers it is the secondary or even third consideration
Now, you of course have included other people in YOUR opinion. How do you know this?
well if graphics was the number 1 consideration in a game WoW would have about 5 players and AoC would have 10 million. AoC has beautiful graphics and outstanding sound, which impressed many of us myself included. too bad the gameplay was shallow and the bugs were so severe it drove most of the population away.
I do not disagree that community and gameplay are important. I enjoy a guild of 600+ players who make a great community for me. And gameplay wise, I would rather be entertained and motivated as I play thanks to real time combat and well written quests, not done in a wall of text, than Hit 1, wait for refresh Hit 1, Hit 2 gameplay.
But, yes, I also prefer my game to look good and run well and be visually appealing also.
Please do not try to tell me what I like and why. It seems you do not know me well enough to do that.
Not trying to tell you what you like, just from your posting history this is my perception of what seems to be important to you. I remember one post where you went on about the way one game made the characters noses, it might just be me but I rarely if ever pay any notice to the nose of a PC or NPC and if it was blocky that certainly would not be a game breaker for me. I can understand though if others feel differently and like I said I do not mean this as a put down or as a attack on you and your personal preferences in any way. Everyone has different things they look at in a game otherwise there would only need to be one game.
I miss DAoC
You make a mistake by believing this is The AoC community. Many people post on the forums here with the exact purpose of having people feel just like you do now. What you see here is hardly relevant for the AoC community at all. Some are here to share relevant information about the game. Some are here to recruit more players and will tell just anything to get people in the game, and others (the ones you talk about) are here to trash talk the game no matter what. They do this for many reasons: They felt let down by FC at launch since the game did not live up to their expectations, or they see AoC as a treat to their game of choice and see this as a war between games for subscribers, or they are just vile pure haters with an agenda.
When it comes to "The real AoC community" you find them playing the game, not here. From what you say in your post that is what I hear from a lot of people that has had their first experience of the game on a general FFA PVP server. This is the server type that by being what it is attracts such behaviour. If you try some other servers, I bet you will be surprised to see that communities varies A LOT between servers.
And lastly, but not least, when you put 100-200 thousand people together you are bound to have some very vocal morons there, thats just how it is. In time you will see that the immense amount of noise you hear is from a very minor, very vocal minority.
I want to believe this, but I just hope the in-game server community of my new server, Cimmeria proves it. I refuse to resort to playing on a type of server I don't want to play on (PVE) just because the knuckleheads and 12 y/os fill up the PVP servers. I'm hoping Cimmeria is a good inbetween.
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You make a mistake by believing this is The AoC community. Many people post on the forums here with the exact purpose of having people feel just like you do now. What you see here is hardly relevant for the AoC community at all. Some are here to share relevant information about the game. Some are here to recruit more players and will tell just anything to get people in the game, and others (the ones you talk about) are here to trash talk the game no matter what. They do this for many reasons: They felt let down by FC at launch since the game did not live up to their expectations, or they see AoC as a treat to their game of choice and see this as a war between games for subscribers, or they are just vile pure haters with an agenda.
When it comes to "The real AoC community" you find them playing the game, not here. From what you say in your post that is what I hear from a lot of people that has had their first experience of the game on a general FFA PVP server. This is the server type that by being what it is attracts such behaviour. If you try some other servers, I bet you will be surprised to see that communities varies A LOT between servers.
And lastly, but not least, when you put 100-200 thousand people together you are bound to have some very vocal morons there, thats just how it is. In time you will see that the immense amount of noise you hear is from a very minor, very vocal minority.
I want to believe this, but I just hope the in-game server community of my new server, Cimmeria proves it. I refuse to resort to playing on a type of server I don't want to play on (PVE) just because the knuckleheads and 12 y/os fill up the PVP servers. I'm hoping Cimmeria is a good inbetween.
Luckily the type you're trying to avoid has done us a favor and compiled most of their numbers on the Tyranny Server. Avoid that server at all costs if you don't want to be bombarded by stupid.
This thing was growing into a huge wall of text which could be summed up as my opinion, your opinion so best just to drop it.
However I can give you 2 reasons why WoW has such a huge following compared to WAR, LOTRO, and EQII.
1) it will play well on lots of different machines form hand me down Dells with a Prescott 3.0 processor and a 9800 pro video card on up and possibly even less of a machine than that.
2) tried and true gameplay. Classic DIKU level based, lots of content, fun quest lines, easy to learn in but hard to master end game that requires you always be chasing a carrot on a stick.
LoTRO and EQII require more of a machine, and combat is a level or two up in difficulty from WoWs. WoW only requires a real strategy in the end game from what I saw of it.
WAr, damnifIknow why it succeeding as well as it did. I could not stand it myself and uninstalled 2 hours into the open beta. Best thing I can say about is if I were offered a choice between gouging out my eyes wiith a spoon, playiong WoW or playing WAR I would probably pick playing WAR. Still it looks like it has leveled out and is holding steady in population since December.
I miss DAoC
This thing was growing into a huge wall of text which could be summed up as my opinion, your opinion so best just to drop it.
However I can give you 2 reasons why WoW has such a huge following compared to WAR, LOTRO, and EQII.
1) it will play well on lots of different machines form hand me down Dells with a Prescott 3.0 processor and a 9800 pro video card on up and possibly even less of a machine than that.
Yet look at EvE which rates higher on Xfire and has been noted to have more players than the above games...and this is one graphics hog. It had DX10 before LOTRO. How does THAT explain this theory?
2) tried and true gameplay. Classic DIKU level based, lots of content, fun quest lines, easy to learn in but hard to master end game that requires you always be chasing a carrot on a stick.
Again, we have EvE which throws all of your assumptions out. No DIKU, large learning curve, yet ranking high on Xfire and has more scrips as time goes by.
WAr, damnifIknow why it succeeding as well as it did. I could not stand it myself and uninstalled 2 hours into the open beta. Best thing I can say about is if I were offered a choice between gouging out my eyes wiith a spoon, playiong WoW or playing WAR I would probably pick playing WAR. Still it looks like it has leveled out and is holding steady in population since December.
According to your Alexa methodology though, it is actually failing compared to AoC, but who am I to speculate.
I still think you wanted to single out graphics in this discussion, and it requires more than graphics. I know I do. But, if anything, graphics is a good selling point. If we look at the Xfire list, a ton of games ranking higher require some pretty strong machines and graphically are gorgeous (CoD4, CoD:WoW, Left 4 Dead) . And if graphics were not an important selling point, whyi is every Dev trying to make their games look better each time they release a sequel or new game.
I am sorry, but the fact is, many different viewpoints will be considered in a purchasing decision...and yes, graphics may be one...but it is not the sole one (for example, I just went back and played Resident Evil 4 and Fable 1, and they sure are not lookers..)
Now, how about back on topic. Patch 1.04!
I bet all the people that are talking about whiners/kids/griefers are all waiting for Dorkfall to be released... LOL@IRONY
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I still think you wanted to single out graphics in this discussion, and it requires more than graphics. I know I do. But, if anything, graphics is a good selling point. If we look at the Xfire list, a ton of games ranking higher require some pretty strong machines and graphically are gorgeous (CoD4, CoD:WoW, Left 4 Dead) . And if graphics were not an important selling point, whyi is every Dev trying to make their games look better each time they release a sequel or new game.
I am sorry, but the fact is, many different viewpoints will be considered in a purchasing decision...and yes, graphics may be one...but it is not the sole one (for example, I just went back and played Resident Evil 4 and Fable 1, and they sure are not lookers..)
Now, how about back on topic. Patch 1.04!
By the way I don't think I have ever said graphics were not a selling point but obviously they are not somethjing that contriburtes to long term retention, otherwise AoC would still have 800K to a million subs.
back to the topic, 1.04 added some good things obviously but it was buggy and I think it is too little too late. As I have said many times before here too bad they released when they did and had the game director they had. By summer the game will be where it should have been at release.
I miss DAoC
Stop spewing forth your childish name calling, and start arguing the actual issue. I am not trolling. I have a serious issue with Funcom still lying to us about proposed features, and a serious issue with an aspect of the game -- minigames are NOT in a playable state, period. Sugar coat it or defend it however you want, it's an issue. I can't play them. For a game that touts itself as a PVP game, one would think that a player would be able to umm... I dunno... ACTUALLY PVP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!? Call me crazy.
Well in fairness, AoC could have had a comparable player base and they blew it. I didn't realize that having a lower player base made a game harder to fix. One would think it would be easier. It's OK though. I'll just have to keep looking for a PVP game that tops WOW's PVP experience, which is sad.Error: 37. Signature not found. Please connect to my server for signature access.
This is pointless really. Thanks to the last few days getting the patch stable and hotfixes here and there, we do not know yet just how empty PvP mini games are, so right now you are making an assumption based on server outages.
Come back, try over the weekend and see how things roll for you, then if it is dead, then come complain...k? I will have no issue with that.
Cheers
They are improved. You're leaving out the most obvious key feature that they're talking about troll.
I chuckle since you don't even know what it is and I'll let you figure it out.
I'll give you a hint - it's located in the top right part of the PvP menu.
Edit: I saw this quote and you beat me to the punch!
"They added option to join any game that starts first. Thats the main fix that decrease waiting times.
So LMAO Fail Troll, you failed in this one! If you dont play, SHUT UP and dont make yourself look stupid!"
Stop spewing forth your childish name calling, and start arguing the actual issue. I am not trolling. I have a serious issue with Funcom still lying to us about proposed features, and a serious issue with an aspect of the game -- minigames are NOT in a playable state, period. Sugar coat it or defend it however you want, it's an issue. I can't play them. For a game that touts itself as a PVP game, one would think that a player would be able to umm... I dunno... ACTUALLY PVP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!? Call me crazy.
Well in fairness, AoC could have had a comparable player base and they blew it. I didn't realize that having a lower player base made a game harder to fix. One would think it would be easier. It's OK though. I'll just have to keep looking for a PVP game that tops WOW's PVP experience, which is sad.#1. You can PvP on a daily basis so I have no idea where that statement came from.....
#2. Explain how Minigames are "broken" ? I did a half dozen mini games last night and everything was perfect and a lot of fun.
They are improved. You're leaving out the most obvious key feature that they're talking about troll.
I chuckle since you don't even know what it is and I'll let you figure it out.
I'll give you a hint - it's located in the top right part of the PvP menu.
Edit: I saw this quote and you beat me to the punch!
"They added option to join any game that starts first. Thats the main fix that decrease waiting times.
So LMAO Fail Troll, you failed in this one! If you dont play, SHUT UP and dont make yourself look stupid!"
Stop spewing forth your childish name calling, and start arguing the actual issue. I am not trolling. I have a serious issue with Funcom still lying to us about proposed features, and a serious issue with an aspect of the game -- minigames are NOT in a playable state, period. Sugar coat it or defend it however you want, it's an issue. I can't play them. For a game that touts itself as a PVP game, one would think that a player would be able to umm... I dunno... ACTUALLY PVP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!? Call me crazy.
Well in fairness, AoC could have had a comparable player base and they blew it. I didn't realize that having a lower player base made a game harder to fix. One would think it would be easier. It's OK though. I'll just have to keep looking for a PVP game that tops WOW's PVP experience, which is sad.#1. You can PvP on a daily basis so I have no idea where that statement came from.....
#2. Explain how Minigames are "broken" ? I did a half dozen mini games last night and everything was perfect and a lot of fun.
#1 HOW?
#2 Where? On Set, I was in queue for 3 hours last night and not one person even showed up.
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#1 HOW?
#2 Where? On Set, I was in queue for 3 hours last night and not one person even showed up.
#1. I was off work yesterday and got a rare opportunity to play AoC for a while. I registered over 400 unique kills yesterday on players in the Thunder River, Minigames, and Border Kingdom areas. None of them were under level 75. The border kingdom was 4x as populated as my WoW server in Wintergrasp at peak hour. Tyranny or Cimmeria for US servers imho.
#2. Set is a PvE Server. I recommend joining a PvP server if you want to PvP. However that being said it looks like most of Set Server's PvP isn't in mini games on that server. It's in the Cimmeria border kingdoms. Go check it out as they commented about some "epic" battles.
#3. You can get free Xfers to another server if PvP is your primary focus.
#1 HOW?
#2 Where? On Set, I was in queue for 3 hours last night and not one person even showed up.
#1. I was off work yesterday and got a rare opportunity to play AoC for a while. I registered over 400 unique kills yesterday on players in the Thunder River, Minigames, and Border Kingdom areas. None of them were under level 75. The border kingdom was 4x as populated as my WoW server in Wintergrasp at peak hour. Tyranny or Cimmeria for US servers imho.
#2. Set is a PvE Server. I recommend joining a PvP server if you want to PvP. However that being said it looks like most of Set Server's PvP isn't in mini games on that server. It's in the Cimmeria border kingdoms. Go check it out as they commented about some "epic" battles.
#3. You can get free Xfers to another server if PvP is your primary focus.
#1 PVP is just for characters above 75? *sigh* Sorry, I don't like the PVE in this game enough to get there.
#2 I went to Set FROM Cimmeria. In my old age, I am growing to hate open PVP and shift more towards controlled PVP. I love battlegrounds, the concept of arenas, and small battles. I dislike the concept that someone who leveled quicker than me in PVE has the upper hand in certain situations.
#3 I transfered off of Cimmeria because I like certain types of PVP but not others.
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They fixed the issue right away, you can't test server load on testlive. This was an amazing patch, I dont see how some disconnects is shooting themselves in the foot. The fact that people use custom UI's is not there problems, it's yours.
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