There were no advantages that one person had that another did not. If one mob was bugged for someone else, it was bugged for you too. Why not take advantage? Even with no synch issues, these clans would have done the same thing. 12k with 20 people would only take an hour or so to get killing PURELY goblins. No wipe needed. If you didn't take advantage, it's your own fault. The information on mob locations was widely available to all (if you bothered to research in the game). These clan locations are not permanent. Gather some people, form a clan, and take over their city. You can do everything they can - no need for a wipe.
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Why is it so hard for people to understand, that the game isnt really launched yet. The actions people took before the lauch shouldnt count and should be erased.
Sorry to all the clans that took 8 hours and exploited the hell out of hte game but , ow well mabye next time round you won't find it so easy. When your whole clan gets raped by one black knight.
The GMs need to watch most of the spots they know and insta-ban these clans.
How is a wipe going to prevent the beta clans from obtaining the same cities? You realize how fail your logic is? The beta zerg clans will still end up getting the same spots it will simply take them longer to get them if you wiped the servers. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS. LET ME REPEAT IT FOR YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE BETA CLANS FROM GETTING THESE CITIES. By wiping the server you are only prolonging the inevitable. Until the retail players get some hands on experience in the game itself, they will not be able to compete with some of these clans. Your best bet is to wait until they make new servers and go play on those and then you will have advantages over the new players that go play there later. Stop making redundant posts. AV doesnt read any of this shit anyway.
First of all, my clan was in beta, as were my allied clans. We had a viable plan for launch, yet we were unable to attain a city.
Why?
Because we were based out of Mercia - the area with "Black holes" and deadzone crashings leading to character deletion and hours of time lost.
Unfair advantages and game-killing bugs should be enough of a reason alone, let alone the tremendous repercussions of one race having initial superiority over another.
How is a wipe going to prevent the beta clans from obtaining the same cities? You realize how fail your logic is? The beta zerg clans will still end up getting the same spots it will simply take them longer to get them if you wiped the servers. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS. LET ME REPEAT IT FOR YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE BETA CLANS FROM GETTING THESE CITIES. By wiping the server you are only prolonging the inevitable. Until the retail players get some hands on experience in the game itself, they will not be able to compete with some of these clans. Your best bet is to wait until they make new servers and go play on those and then you will have advantages over the new players that go play there later. Stop making redundant posts. AV doesnt read any of this shit anyway.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
There were no advantages that one person had that another did not. If one mob was bugged for someone else, it was bugged for you too. Why not take advantage? Even with no synch issues, these clans would have done the same thing. 12k with 20 people would only take an hour or so to get killing PURELY goblins. No wipe needed. If you didn't take advantage, it's your own fault. The information on mob locations was widely available to all (if you bothered to research in the game). These clan locations are not permanent. Gather some people, form a clan, and take over their city. You can do everything they can - no need for a wipe.
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
How is a wipe going to prevent the beta clans from obtaining the same cities? You realize how fail your logic is? The beta zerg clans will still end up getting the same spots it will simply take them longer to get them if you wiped the servers. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS. LET ME REPEAT IT FOR YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE BETA CLANS FROM GETTING THESE CITIES. By wiping the server you are only prolonging the inevitable. Until the retail players get some hands on experience in the game itself, they will not be able to compete with some of these clans. Your best bet is to wait until they make new servers and go play on those and then you will have advantages over the new players that go play there later. Stop making redundant posts. AV doesnt read any of this shit anyway.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Funny your account says hardcore member but that can't possibly mean towards games because you condone exploiting to get higher than others.
How is a wipe going to prevent the beta clans from obtaining the same cities? You realize how fail your logic is? The beta zerg clans will still end up getting the same spots it will simply take them longer to get them if you wiped the servers. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS. LET ME REPEAT IT FOR YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE BETA CLANS FROM GETTING THESE CITIES. By wiping the server you are only prolonging the inevitable. Until the retail players get some hands on experience in the game itself, they will not be able to compete with some of these clans. Your best bet is to wait until they make new servers and go play on those and then you will have advantages over the new players that go play there later. Stop making redundant posts. AV doesnt read any of this shit anyway.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Well luckily you are not Aventurine, because this decision is terrible.
Let exploiters get whatever they want, bugs destroy the viability of a race at launch day, and then make the players who were subjected to this garbage have to WAIT until a new server without an ETA?
Your logic, or lack thereof, is mind boggling to say the least.
These guys have so much gold farmed up which means they are pretty far ahead of us. They can sit back relax farm resources or with the gold they have BUY resources, while other clans who didnt exploit are working they're asses off trying to get 10k to Purchase a city. Server Wipe PLZ
There were no advantages that one person had that another did not. If one mob was bugged for someone else, it was bugged for you too. Why not take advantage? Even with no synch issues, these clans would have done the same thing. 12k with 20 people would only take an hour or so to get killing PURELY goblins. No wipe needed. If you didn't take advantage, it's your own fault. The information on mob locations was widely available to all (if you bothered to research in the game). These clan locations are not permanent. Gather some people, form a clan, and take over their city. You can do everything they can - no need for a wipe.
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
Not really my point, mate...
Onto topic, the OP in his original statement and his followup comments are very well thought out. It also seems that a majority of the base WANTS this wipe. We can only hope that we will see that come through.
How is a wipe going to prevent the beta clans from obtaining the same cities? You realize how fail your logic is? The beta zerg clans will still end up getting the same spots it will simply take them longer to get them if you wiped the servers. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS. LET ME REPEAT IT FOR YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE BETA CLANS FROM GETTING THESE CITIES. By wiping the server you are only prolonging the inevitable. Until the retail players get some hands on experience in the game itself, they will not be able to compete with some of these clans. Your best bet is to wait until they make new servers and go play on those and then you will have advantages over the new players that go play there later. Stop making redundant posts. AV doesnt read any of this shit anyway.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Funny your account says hardcore member but that can't possibly mean towards games because you condone exploiting to get higher than others.
Well played sir. Besides, given how active he is on this thread, it's a bit clear he has something to lose in a wipe... hrrm
How is a wipe going to prevent the beta clans from obtaining the same cities? You realize how fail your logic is? The beta zerg clans will still end up getting the same spots it will simply take them longer to get them if you wiped the servers. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS. LET ME REPEAT IT FOR YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE BETA CLANS FROM GETTING THESE CITIES. By wiping the server you are only prolonging the inevitable. Until the retail players get some hands on experience in the game itself, they will not be able to compete with some of these clans. Your best bet is to wait until they make new servers and go play on those and then you will have advantages over the new players that go play there later. Stop making redundant posts. AV doesnt read any of this shit anyway.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
If someone of you guys cancelled your accounts for a server wipe then that just shows your weakness. It shows how you know you can't compete with the big boys without using bugs to your advantage. You seem to be alone in your thinking, so I can only assume you are in LoD or one of the other exploiting clans, and any further brilliant ideas from you will be completely disregarded. If your so leet then you should be fine with a server wipe since you will be able to get it all right back. But if your afraid to play the game without bugs and flaws then it just blatantly shows how weak you are.
How is a wipe going to prevent the beta clans from obtaining the same cities? You realize how fail your logic is? The beta zerg clans will still end up getting the same spots it will simply take them longer to get them if you wiped the servers. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS. LET ME REPEAT IT FOR YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE BETA CLANS FROM GETTING THESE CITIES. By wiping the server you are only prolonging the inevitable. Until the retail players get some hands on experience in the game itself, they will not be able to compete with some of these clans. Your best bet is to wait until they make new servers and go play on those and then you will have advantages over the new players that go play there later. Stop making redundant posts. AV doesnt read any of this shit anyway.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Well luckily you are not Aventurine, because this decision is terrible.
Let exploiters get whatever they want, bugs destroy the viability of a race at launch day, and then make the players who were subjected to this garbage have to WAIT until a new server without an ETA?
Your logic, or lack thereof, is mind boggling to say the least.
I do not support exploiting and hope the monsters are fixed.
However, these are unavoidable "exploits." If the monsters were working, they'd be killing them just the same. But the monsters are not working - so what are they supposed to do? Leave them all alone?
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It's amazing how ignorant and stupid some people can be.
"It's just delaying the inevitable, the same clans that exploited will get to the same progress where they're at now just a little slower" ok, that may be but if it gets done fair and square on an even playing field then people won't complain about it. And saying "it is an even playing field, everyone else could exploit too" is just plain stupid. Let's all just exploit, it'd be such a fun game with an awesome economy!
Server wipe is indeed needed. Restart from scratch and let the chips fall where they may.
There were no advantages that one person had that another did not. If one mob was bugged for someone else, it was bugged for you too. Why not take advantage? Even with no synch issues, these clans would have done the same thing. 12k with 20 people would only take an hour or so to get killing PURELY goblins. No wipe needed. If you didn't take advantage, it's your own fault. The information on mob locations was widely available to all (if you bothered to research in the game). These clan locations are not permanent. Gather some people, form a clan, and take over their city. You can do everything they can - no need for a wipe.
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
So no one has to follow rules? I can hack to kill you every time?
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
You should just stop now... WE KNOW YOU'RE AN EXPLOITING ASSHAT.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
No, they don't have any advantages that we don't...they jsut have 3 cities and 50,000+ gold to defend them with that we don't
There were no advantages that one person had that another did not. If one mob was bugged for someone else, it was bugged for you too. Why not take advantage? Even with no synch issues, these clans would have done the same thing. 12k with 20 people would only take an hour or so to get killing PURELY goblins. No wipe needed. If you didn't take advantage, it's your own fault. The information on mob locations was widely available to all (if you bothered to research in the game). These clan locations are not permanent. Gather some people, form a clan, and take over their city. You can do everything they can - no need for a wipe.
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
Again, you are encouraging exploiting.
If these things occurred a week or two weeks after release, or anytime past Day 1, then it would not matter. The fact that the game was exploited right from launch is what has made this gamebreaking. Mind you, it isn't just killing some mobs for personal gain, it affects the entire server population and political standing.
This is not UO. This is not one month after release. This is just one utterly unbalanced server with a bunch of exploited clan cities with ridiculous amounts of weapons and armor.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
I can count at least 12 times they rolled back UO servers due to exploits/bugs. things like a blade spirit "stuck" between 4 tables to train parry is not a game breaking bug. but when they caught onto a dupe, or data stream change they DID wipe it as long as they caught it in time. I remember the longest roll back was an entire week. this game has nothing to lose in a rollback, and given the bugs were in fact game breaking ANY game company would do one. your "logic" falls apart rather quickly...
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
So no one has to follow rules? I can hack to kill you every time?
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That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
The GMs need to watch most of the spots they know and insta-ban these clans.
First of all, my clan was in beta, as were my allied clans. We had a viable plan for launch, yet we were unable to attain a city.
Why?
Because we were based out of Mercia - the area with "Black holes" and deadzone crashings leading to character deletion and hours of time lost.
Unfair advantages and game-killing bugs should be enough of a reason alone, let alone the tremendous repercussions of one race having initial superiority over another.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Funny your account says hardcore member but that can't possibly mean towards games because you condone exploiting to get higher than others.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Well luckily you are not Aventurine, because this decision is terrible.
Let exploiters get whatever they want, bugs destroy the viability of a race at launch day, and then make the players who were subjected to this garbage have to WAIT until a new server without an ETA?
Your logic, or lack thereof, is mind boggling to say the least.
These guys have so much gold farmed up which means they are pretty far ahead of us. They can sit back relax farm resources or with the gold they have BUY resources, while other clans who didnt exploit are working they're asses off trying to get 10k to Purchase a city. Server Wipe PLZ
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
Not really my point, mate...
Onto topic, the OP in his original statement and his followup comments are very well thought out. It also seems that a majority of the base WANTS this wipe. We can only hope that we will see that come through.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Funny your account says hardcore member but that can't possibly mean towards games because you condone exploiting to get higher than others.
Well played sir. Besides, given how active he is on this thread, it's a bit clear he has something to lose in a wipe... hrrm
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
If someone of you guys cancelled your accounts for a server wipe then that just shows your weakness. It shows how you know you can't compete with the big boys without using bugs to your advantage. You seem to be alone in your thinking, so I can only assume you are in LoD or one of the other exploiting clans, and any further brilliant ideas from you will be completely disregarded. If your so leet then you should be fine with a server wipe since you will be able to get it all right back. But if your afraid to play the game without bugs and flaws then it just blatantly shows how weak you are.
That is exactly the point. If these clans are so good then they should be able to get their cities back in no time. This is completely feesible and basically the point of the OP. All we are all saying is that they should have to acquire their cities on an even field, one where is everyone is on the same page. Several guilds got ahead from abusing failed game mechanics, this needs to be undone. You either aren't in game yet, or are a part of one of these exploiting clans.....
Why test the obvious?
That's ridiculous. The only thing that might achieve is the cancellation of accounts by quality players.
If you really think it's unfair, just wait for the NA servers to launch and play over there instead.
Well luckily you are not Aventurine, because this decision is terrible.
Let exploiters get whatever they want, bugs destroy the viability of a race at launch day, and then make the players who were subjected to this garbage have to WAIT until a new server without an ETA?
Your logic, or lack thereof, is mind boggling to say the least.
I do not support exploiting and hope the monsters are fixed.
However, these are unavoidable "exploits." If the monsters were working, they'd be killing them just the same. But the monsters are not working - so what are they supposed to do? Leave them all alone?
Unless of course they decided not to let them play.
No seriously, you could measure the happiness of a few hundred 'leet' gamers (and cheaters by some accounts) vs the overall health of the game.
yah, this is DF and no way is Aventurine going to do that, but a more business savvy group of Dev's would.
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It's amazing how ignorant and stupid some people can be.
"It's just delaying the inevitable, the same clans that exploited will get to the same progress where they're at now just a little slower" ok, that may be but if it gets done fair and square on an even playing field then people won't complain about it. And saying "it is an even playing field, everyone else could exploit too" is just plain stupid. Let's all just exploit, it'd be such a fun game with an awesome economy!
Server wipe is indeed needed. Restart from scratch and let the chips fall where they may.
/signed
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
I registered just to say HELL YES it needs to be wiped!
/SIGNED
It's fixed already. Nice list of your exploiting days. So drazmic was right about the condoning of exploitation!
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
So no one has to follow rules? I can hack to kill you every time?
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
You should just stop now... WE KNOW YOU'RE AN EXPLOITING ASSHAT.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
No, they don't have any advantages that we don't...they jsut have 3 cities and 50,000+ gold to defend them with that we don't
That's like saying police aren't needed because you can buy guns too and go shoot someone before they shoot you.
Can you even look at yourself defending exploitation in this manner?
That's a leap.
If you fight a monster and the monster doesn't fight back, it's not your fault... It's not like their doing something to make the monsters be out of sync - they just ARE. If you found a monster that was out of sync, you'd kill it. I know you would.
Well, I sure as hell hope you weren't in beta... were you writing down all the possible exploits instead of reporting them?
Monsters that functioned fine in the beta are now bugged in the release due to synch issues. This includes goblins.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
Again, you are encouraging exploiting.
If these things occurred a week or two weeks after release, or anytime past Day 1, then it would not matter. The fact that the game was exploited right from launch is what has made this gamebreaking. Mind you, it isn't just killing some mobs for personal gain, it affects the entire server population and political standing.
This is not UO. This is not one month after release. This is just one utterly unbalanced server with a bunch of exploited clan cities with ridiculous amounts of weapons and armor.
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
I can count at least 12 times they rolled back UO servers due to exploits/bugs. things like a blade spirit "stuck" between 4 tables to train parry is not a game breaking bug. but when they caught onto a dupe, or data stream change they DID wipe it as long as they caught it in time. I remember the longest roll back was an entire week. this game has nothing to lose in a rollback, and given the bugs were in fact game breaking ANY game company would do one. your "logic" falls apart rather quickly...
/signed
You are incorrect. There are many exploits which Lords of Death have been doing since Beta (which were reported and posted on the forums) and were said to have been removed. Yet, after the servers went down last night I repetitively heard about about LoD and other clans training mobs into the water and making them bug-out, or having them walk through acid to get free kills.
People used to do this type of stuff in UO. Nobody freaked out, they just joined in until it was fixed.
I trapped monsters in houses to raise skill. I trapped Demons behind rocks in the city of Wind to raise my magic resistance.
Hopefully they'll fix it, but this isn't WoW. They're not going to get "epic mounts" by doing this and sell it on ebay. They're going to get a destructable city. That you can take.
If I were you, I'd do it too until it gets fixed.
The point is - they have no advantages that you don't... everyone is playing the same game.
So no one has to follow rules? I can hack to kill you every time?
Yes, yes you can Draz!