if anyone thinks melee is just mouse bashing.. pm me and we will have a duel
Oh no, there is more than just mouse bashing, there is running and jumping, potion spamming and exploiting. It takes skill to master all of these things I agree.
You can't spam potions and food anymore.
I haven't ever seen any exploits when it comes to pvp except fixed (hopefully for good ) sync issues.
Try to run too much and jump to much and you will run out of stamina before your enemy and then you are as good as dead.
Block is fast and responsive ( AT LAST GOD DAMN IT ).
You have to learn how to time your blows and not miss, each blow eats your stamina.
Learn to block incoming blows, for example instead 20 dmg you will get 3, you can block arrows as well to get closer to attacking you archer. You can't block all the time because it will suck your stamina dry.
Different weapons eat different amount of stamina, do different damage and have different reach.
You should always seek oportunity to circle around your enemy and attack him from a side or preferably from a back.
You have to learn how to use height and size difference when you fight your enemy - you can actually duck and avoid that way some horizontal blows if you are short enough or you are on lower ground.
You should ambush your enemy and attack from a back with ranged weapon or magic to get advantage.
You should use terrain to avoid hits and as an escape opportunity.
Use any opportunity to hit multiple opponents with your magic, melee attacks and avoid hitting friends.
Learn how to act as a group in pve and pvp encounters.
Combat is enjoyable and much more exciting then any MMO I played, that's probably because of FPS elements.
And BTW try to kill in WoW or WAR anybody on end game or middle level with your 10 lvl character or even with two friends. Good luck.
In a way you kinda countered your own argument. If blocking eats up your stamina, that player is still achiving somthing. Even if you block, your only blocking frontal attacks.
the other poster mentioned of strafing to hit you from behind. thus he is NOT focusing attacks to your front. Even if there is a timer which some people alreadty mentioned it is short. you can still time your potions. A good strafer will dodge you till he can use another pot. Just the same way as he will time his attacks when he gets a good chance to swing. You keep assuming that sprint ,strafe n attackers keep swinging like crazy. Naw theres a difference in between newbs and good players.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
DF will never be like M&B untill they implement more hitboxes.
Df doesnt have headshots, m&b does.
Df doesnt have a hitbox for shields that you can shoot over or under to hit your target. (those 2 things require multiple hitboxes wich df doesnt have.)
Df does have horizontal swings and a over head swing. (left/right is also aimed now after some patch.)
Df only needs to adjust blocking abit so you can do a counter attack or something.
Df is simular to M&B and the rate of 7/10 isnt that bad when it comes to melee, archery and mounted combat. (although you cant do archery on a mount wich is a shame but understandable)
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today.
My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us.
RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that.
U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough.
So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise.
The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy
I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine.
Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today. My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us. RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that. U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough. So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise. The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine. Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
-Darkstar
And you seem to be a storyteller.... i dont know what the fuck you reply adds to this thread... just another random history of some "random event" from those few who are actually playing?
I could do some really fantastic histories about AoConan experience, and it would change that it sux or has flaws?
One side is: DFO pvp system seems better that most mmo around.
Other side: it is not wonderful and has the mentioned flaws.
About the Real life combat system, or realistic in mmo.... roflmao. A shield may handle 2-3 hits, and them crumble, a hit (sword, mace) can end the fight , a wrong move = death or maimed, etc etc etc. So, no mmo has realistic combat, it may have FEELING (in your personal opinion), but FAR from being realistic. Not to mention there are no "heal potions or heath restore combat stuff".
Skill in a mmo = master it mechanics. Nothing with "i am better ownz0rd mothafucka". It only means u can handle the mechanics better that the other player. So stop with this "player skill will win mechanics flaws" crap talk.
Originally posted by Darkstar111 LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today. My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us. RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that. U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough. So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise. The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine. Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
-Darkstar
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Originally posted by Borkotron Good post, Darkstar. Let the haters hate...
You are seriously saying that you think that his long ass post, long on empty space not content, was good? Or did you find his compelling and completely honest storytelling "jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine" to be 'all that'?
Jumping in and out can be done in counter strike knife fights. Why were you not using block and parry? And why were you jumping around like that,surely you were wasting stamina?
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today. My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us. RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that. U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough. So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise. The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine. Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
-Darkstar
And you seem to be a storyteller.... i dont know what the fuck you reply adds to this thread... just another random history of some "random event" from those few who are actually playing?
I could do some really fantastic histories about AoConan experience, and it would change that it sux or has flaws?
One side is: DFO pvp system seems better that most mmo around.
Other side: it is not wonderful and has the mentioned flaws.
About the Real life combat system, or realistic in mmo.... roflmao. A shield may handle 2-3 hits, and them crumble, a hit (sword, mace) can end the fight , a wrong move = death or maimed, etc etc etc. So, no mmo has realistic combat, it may have FEELING (in your personal opinion), but FAR from being realistic. Not to mention there are no "heal potions or heath restore combat stuff".
Skill in a mmo = master it mechanics. Nothing with "i am better ownz0rd mothafucka". It only means u can handle the mechanics better that the other player. So stop with this "player skill will win mechanics flaws" crap talk.
U missed two things.
1. The point. which is funny because I prefaced it with the "here is the point"
Let me repeat it:
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy
I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine.
Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
That was the point of the tale, the rest was just setting the stage incase anyone cared.
So just to spell it out COMPLETLY, that is an example of how a Melee fight in Darkfall goes, its not a clickfest, its not super-realistic ofcourse, it is what it is, and its pretty damn fun.
And that is relevant to this thread.
2. I lost that fight. I had to run away and two of my friends got killed and dry looted, If I wanted to tell a story about my "uber-leet skills" I would probably have picked one where I ended up winning dont u think ?
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today.
My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us.
RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that.
U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough.
So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise.
The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy
I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine.
Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
-Darkstar
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Well u did not read the whole story so ill forgive ur mistake.
This once.
As u can see if u actually finish the story, I lost that fight.
Why would I try to brag with a story I ended up losing?
Originally posted by Darkstar111 2. I lost that fight. I had to run away and two of my friends got killed and dry looted, If I wanted to tell a story about my "uber-leet skills" I would probably have picked one where I ended up winning dont u think ?
-Darkstar
LOL...I was just trolling you for shits and giggles. I meant no real offense.
The game sounds fun and I'll probably play it once they get all the bugs worked out and set up some more servers.
You are seriously saying that you think that his long ass post, long on empty space not content, was good? Or did you find his compelling and completely honest storytelling "jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine" to be 'all that'?
Way to stick together fanbois.
U should know something, u dont have to READ the empty space, u can jsut skip it with ur eye.
That way a post doesnt become any longer, unless there is actuall content there.
Its a little trick u should try using.
So my post was not very long, it only told the tale of a short story explaining why Melee combat in Darkfall is not just mousebashing.
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today. My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us. RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that. U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough. So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise. The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine. Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
Darkstar, I understand your point, but if truth be told, a chimp could master that "going back and forth" playstyle in 10 hours. If that's everything that DF melee has to offer, then it is as deep as a rain puddle.
2. I lost that fight. I had to run away and two of my friends got killed and dry looted, If I wanted to tell a story about my "uber-leet skills" I would probably have picked one where I ended up winning dont u think ?
-Darkstar
LOL...I was just trolling you for shits and giggles. I meant no real offense.
The game sounds fun and I'll probably play it once they get all the bugs worked out and set up some more servers.
Fair enough. I enjoy posting thou.
Game had a terrible launch, which everyone knew would happen, but now its on track.
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today.
My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us.
RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that.
U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough.
So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise.
The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy
I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine.
Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
-Darkstar
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Well u did not read the whole story so ill forgive ur mistake.
This once.
As u can see if u actually finish the story, I lost that fight.
Why would I try to brag with a story I ended up losing?
I could just fudge it and say I won...
lol some people...
-Darkstar
I think you'd have more credibility if you didn't put your forum name at the bottom of every post. We know who posted it. It is to the left of your post.
-n00bit (not necessary at all...but now that I've tried it, it may grow on me)
Originally posted by Darkstar111 Originally posted by xaldraxius
Originally posted by Borkotron Good post, Darkstar. Let the haters hate...
You are seriously saying that you think that his long ass post, long on empty space not content, was good? Or did you find his compelling and completely honest storytelling "jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine" to be 'all that'? Way to stick together fanbois.
U should know something, u dont have to READ the empty space, u can jsut skip it with ur eye. That way a post doesnt become any longer, unless there is actuall content there. Its a little trick u should try using.
So my post was not very long, it only told the tale of a short story explaining why Melee combat in Darkfall is not just mousebashing.
-Darkstar
I did mention I was a troll before didn't I? I just pick at people because I'm bored. I try not to say anything too offensive or personally insulting because I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, just get a laugh.
Originally posted by Bisshop69 You go outside right now, pick up a big branch and tape for me how you'd use it as a sword. And when you manage to do a 40% less armor attack or a 50% movement speed attack on a tree, let us all know how you do that.
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today.
My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us.
RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that.
U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough.
So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise.
The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy
I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine.
Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
-Darkstar
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Well u did not read the whole story so ill forgive ur mistake.
This once.
As u can see if u actually finish the story, I lost that fight.
Why would I try to brag with a story I ended up losing?
I could just fudge it and say I won...
lol some people...
-Darkstar
I think you'd have more credibility if you didn't put your forum name at the bottom of every post. We know who posted it. It is to the left of your post.
-n00bit (not necessary at all...but now that I've tried it, it may grow on me)
I'm tired of these "Melee is just mousebashing" comments to break down the game.
You go outside right now, pick up a big branch and tape for me how you'd use it as a sword.
And when you manage to do a 40% less armor attack or a 50% movement speed attack on a tree, let us all know how you do that.
Hmm, I tried, I really did, and it worked. I took a stick and spun it over my head a few times, yelling, screaming, chanting, grunting, jumping, spinning, kicking, rolling, side stepping, shuffling my feet, and somewhere in there the tree was no longer walking. I did 100% movement speed attack on a tree.
To my suprise the tree only swung at me when the wind blew, or it would riposte my attacks right after I swing at a loose branch.
I did mention I was a troll before didn't I? I just pick at people because I'm bored. I try not to say anything too offensive or personally insulting because I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, just get a laugh.
I am new here and it looks like I should ask for updated list of local trolls...
I was going to respond to your considerably normal response to my post about DF combat but it looks like it would be waste of time. Forums are about discussion and sharing information, not about random trolling because I am bored.
I am surprised that veterans on this forum actually still read and respond to your posts.
I did mention I was a troll before didn't I? I just pick at people because I'm bored. I try not to say anything too offensive or personally insulting because I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, just get a laugh.
I am new here and it looks like I should ask for updated list of local trolls...
I was going to respond to your considerably normal response to my post about DF combat but it looks like it would be waste of time. Forums are about discussion and sharing information, not about random trolling because I am bored.
I am surprised that veterans on this forum actually still read and respond to your posts.
Dont act so surprised the "Veterans" of this forum are all darkfall fanbot losers that can't stand any kind of criticizim to the game they will follow to the death. The people with any credibility stear clear of this area cause on both sides of the fence its just retarded but its WAAAY more fun on the troll side
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Oh no, there is more than just mouse bashing, there is running and jumping, potion spamming and exploiting. It takes skill to master all of these things I agree.
You can't spam potions and food anymore.
I haven't ever seen any exploits when it comes to pvp except fixed (hopefully for good ) sync issues.
Try to run too much and jump to much and you will run out of stamina before your enemy and then you are as good as dead.
Block is fast and responsive ( AT LAST GOD DAMN IT ).
You have to learn how to time your blows and not miss, each blow eats your stamina.
Learn to block incoming blows, for example instead 20 dmg you will get 3, you can block arrows as well to get closer to attacking you archer. You can't block all the time because it will suck your stamina dry.
Different weapons eat different amount of stamina, do different damage and have different reach.
You should always seek oportunity to circle around your enemy and attack him from a side or preferably from a back.
You have to learn how to use height and size difference when you fight your enemy - you can actually duck and avoid that way some horizontal blows if you are short enough or you are on lower ground.
You should ambush your enemy and attack from a back with ranged weapon or magic to get advantage.
You should use terrain to avoid hits and as an escape opportunity.
Use any opportunity to hit multiple opponents with your magic, melee attacks and avoid hitting friends.
Learn how to act as a group in pve and pvp encounters.
Combat is enjoyable and much more exciting then any MMO I played, that's probably because of FPS elements.
And BTW try to kill in WoW or WAR anybody on end game or middle level with your 10 lvl character or even with two friends. Good luck.
In a way you kinda countered your own argument. If blocking eats up your stamina, that player is still achiving somthing. Even if you block, your only blocking frontal attacks.
the other poster mentioned of strafing to hit you from behind. thus he is NOT focusing attacks to your front. Even if there is a timer which some people alreadty mentioned it is short. you can still time your potions. A good strafer will dodge you till he can use another pot. Just the same way as he will time his attacks when he gets a good chance to swing. You keep assuming that sprint ,strafe n attackers keep swinging like crazy. Naw theres a difference in between newbs and good players.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
DF will never be like M&B untill they implement more hitboxes.
Df doesnt have headshots, m&b does.
Df doesnt have a hitbox for shields that you can shoot over or under to hit your target. (those 2 things require multiple hitboxes wich df doesnt have.)
Df does have horizontal swings and a over head swing. (left/right is also aimed now after some patch.)
Df only needs to adjust blocking abit so you can do a counter attack or something.
Df is simular to M&B and the rate of 7/10 isnt that bad when it comes to melee, archery and mounted combat. (although you cant do archery on a mount wich is a shame but understandable)
LOL, reading the haters in this thread is funny, some are just trolls and dont give a f***, others are ignorant Haters who actually believe themselves.
Let me tell u what I did today.
My group got ambushed by some ppl that was mad at us.
RIGHT AND PROPER AMBUSHED, major props to the attackers for that.
U see they had been fighting some Greyorks earlier, and we knew those guys are pretty tough.
So at the time we went to check it up, and sure enough, one of them had died.
We got our ninjamasks on and went in for the loot, suffice it to say THIS pissed them off.
They where more then us, and even thou they had all been fighting we had no intention of going red just over this, so we retreated and rested.
Then we decided to head for the town to bank our stuff, but we where in for a surprise.
The guys had figured we where headed in that direction and hid behind several stones in our path, jumping out attacking us from all sides.
AWESOME.
But on to the point.
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy
I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine.
Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
But now I was taking dmg from the the first guy and the second guy didnt really seem to care about hitting his friend since i was going down faster.
So I ran, and ran and ran, they got two of my friends, but I and the majority of us managed to get away.
There is alot more to combat in Darkfall then a random clickfest, and anyone tihnking it is needs to play the game.
-Darkstar
And you seem to be a storyteller.... i dont know what the fuck you reply adds to this thread... just another random history of some "random event" from those few who are actually playing?
I could do some really fantastic histories about AoConan experience, and it would change that it sux or has flaws?
One side is: DFO pvp system seems better that most mmo around.
Other side: it is not wonderful and has the mentioned flaws.
About the Real life combat system, or realistic in mmo.... roflmao. A shield may handle 2-3 hits, and them crumble, a hit (sword, mace) can end the fight , a wrong move = death or maimed, etc etc etc. So, no mmo has realistic combat, it may have FEELING (in your personal opinion), but FAR from being realistic. Not to mention there are no "heal potions or heath restore combat stuff".
Skill in a mmo = master it mechanics. Nothing with "i am better ownz0rd mothafucka". It only means u can handle the mechanics better that the other player. So stop with this "player skill will win mechanics flaws" crap talk.
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Good post, Darkstar. Let the haters hate...
Your signature makes it difficult for me to take you seriously.
You are seriously saying that you think that his long ass post, long on empty space not content, was good? Or did you find his compelling and completely honest storytelling "jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine" to be 'all that'?
Way to stick together fanbois.
Jumping in and out can be done in counter strike knife fights. Why were you not using block and parry? And why were you jumping around like that,surely you were wasting stamina?
And you seem to be a storyteller.... i dont know what the fuck you reply adds to this thread... just another random history of some "random event" from those few who are actually playing?
I could do some really fantastic histories about AoConan experience, and it would change that it sux or has flaws?
One side is: DFO pvp system seems better that most mmo around.
Other side: it is not wonderful and has the mentioned flaws.
About the Real life combat system, or realistic in mmo.... roflmao. A shield may handle 2-3 hits, and them crumble, a hit (sword, mace) can end the fight , a wrong move = death or maimed, etc etc etc. So, no mmo has realistic combat, it may have FEELING (in your personal opinion), but FAR from being realistic. Not to mention there are no "heal potions or heath restore combat stuff".
Skill in a mmo = master it mechanics. Nothing with "i am better ownz0rd mothafucka". It only means u can handle the mechanics better that the other player. So stop with this "player skill will win mechanics flaws" crap talk.
U missed two things.
1. The point. which is funny because I prefaced it with the "here is the point"
Let me repeat it:
During the fight I got into a melee battle with one guy
I timed his slow hitting sword by jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine.
Then another guy joined us, well I started circling them together so they where now hitting each other with every other swing. That made the second guy think twice as he ran back and started using mana missile, at which point I decided to hug the first guy and make sure the Mana missiles hit us both.
That was the point of the tale, the rest was just setting the stage incase anyone cared.
So just to spell it out COMPLETLY, that is an example of how a Melee fight in Darkfall goes, its not a clickfest, its not super-realistic ofcourse, it is what it is, and its pretty damn fun.
And that is relevant to this thread.
2. I lost that fight. I had to run away and two of my friends got killed and dry looted, If I wanted to tell a story about my "uber-leet skills" I would probably have picked one where I ended up winning dont u think ?
-Darkstar
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Well u did not read the whole story so ill forgive ur mistake.
This once.
As u can see if u actually finish the story, I lost that fight.
Why would I try to brag with a story I ended up losing?
I could just fudge it and say I won...
lol some people...
-Darkstar
LOL...I was just trolling you for shits and giggles. I meant no real offense.
The game sounds fun and I'll probably play it once they get all the bugs worked out and set up some more servers.
You are seriously saying that you think that his long ass post, long on empty space not content, was good? Or did you find his compelling and completely honest storytelling "jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine" to be 'all that'?
Way to stick together fanbois.
U should know something, u dont have to READ the empty space, u can jsut skip it with ur eye.
That way a post doesnt become any longer, unless there is actuall content there.
Its a little trick u should try using.
So my post was not very long, it only told the tale of a short story explaining why Melee combat in Darkfall is not just mousebashing.
-Darkstar
Stfu, fanboy.
hahaha.
-Darkstar
Darkstar, I understand your point, but if truth be told, a chimp could master that "going back and forth" playstyle in 10 hours. If that's everything that DF melee has to offer, then it is as deep as a rain puddle.
LOL...I was just trolling you for shits and giggles. I meant no real offense.
The game sounds fun and I'll probably play it once they get all the bugs worked out and set up some more servers.
Fair enough. I enjoy posting thou.
Game had a terrible launch, which everyone knew would happen, but now its on track.
-Darkstar
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Well u did not read the whole story so ill forgive ur mistake.
This once.
As u can see if u actually finish the story, I lost that fight.
Why would I try to brag with a story I ended up losing?
I could just fudge it and say I won...
lol some people...
-Darkstar
I think you'd have more credibility if you didn't put your forum name at the bottom of every post. We know who posted it. It is to the left of your post.
-n00bit (not necessary at all...but now that I've tried it, it may grow on me)
You are seriously saying that you think that his long ass post, long on empty space not content, was good? Or did you find his compelling and completely honest storytelling "jumping in and out taking no damage, while scoring a hit with all of mine" to be 'all that'?
Way to stick together fanbois.
U should know something, u dont have to READ the empty space, u can jsut skip it with ur eye.
That way a post doesnt become any longer, unless there is actuall content there.
Its a little trick u should try using.
So my post was not very long, it only told the tale of a short story explaining why Melee combat in Darkfall is not just mousebashing.
-Darkstar
I did mention I was a troll before didn't I? I just pick at people because I'm bored. I try not to say anything too offensive or personally insulting because I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, just get a laugh.
LOL +1
That brought a nice grin to my face.
The Force is strong with you Spire23..
Oy. You don't have to hit return after every damn sentence, it just makes you look like you are begging for attention. I'm glad you take amusement from trolls though, it's really all I aim to do with my trolling. Even if I just make myself laugh it's something.
Oh, and no one wants to read your long ass boring story. So you had a battle and there was some tactics to it, big deal, you make it sound like you're some 'Uber pro' and that just cuts your credibility to nothing. Try not sounding like a smug jackass and people may respond better to you. It's people who make long ass 'I'm so 1337' posts like yours that give the whole game a bad name and gives trolls, like me, a reason to hate it.
Well u did not read the whole story so ill forgive ur mistake.
This once.
As u can see if u actually finish the story, I lost that fight.
Why would I try to brag with a story I ended up losing?
I could just fudge it and say I won...
lol some people...
-Darkstar
I think you'd have more credibility if you didn't put your forum name at the bottom of every post. We know who posted it. It is to the left of your post.
-n00bit (not necessary at all...but now that I've tried it, it may grow on me)
I rest my case.
-Darkstar
Hmm, I tried, I really did, and it worked. I took a stick and spun it over my head a few times, yelling, screaming, chanting, grunting, jumping, spinning, kicking, rolling, side stepping, shuffling my feet, and somewhere in there the tree was no longer walking. I did 100% movement speed attack on a tree.
To my suprise the tree only swung at me when the wind blew, or it would riposte my attacks right after I swing at a loose branch.
Darkfall = strafing in a circle around players in a barren zone clicking left mouse 1000000 times.
Apparently everyone was ranting on about how this game was the most skill based mmo.
Utter lol.
I am new here and it looks like I should ask for updated list of local trolls...
I was going to respond to your considerably normal response to my post about DF combat but it looks like it would be waste of time. Forums are about discussion and sharing information, not about random trolling because I am bored.
I am surprised that veterans on this forum actually still read and respond to your posts.
I am new here and it looks like I should ask for updated list of local trolls...
I was going to respond to your considerably normal response to my post about DF combat but it looks like it would be waste of time. Forums are about discussion and sharing information, not about random trolling because I am bored.
I am surprised that veterans on this forum actually still read and respond to your posts.
Dont act so surprised the "Veterans" of this forum are all darkfall fanbot losers that can't stand any kind of criticizim to the game they will follow to the death. The people with any credibility stear clear of this area cause on both sides of the fence its just retarded but its WAAAY more fun on the troll side